>Ukraine is deploying 19 brigades (16 maneuver and 3 artillery brigades) to push Russians (literally just Wagner) back from Bakhmut
Hmm...wasn't this strategically irrelevant village and wasn't the goal of this whole operation to bleed Russians?
>Ukraine is deploying 19 brigades (16 maneuver and 3 artillery brigades) to push Russians (literally just Wagner) back from Bakhmut
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>makes up strategy to kill more russians
>hurr durr wasnt the goal of the operation to kill russians hurr durr
Ukrainian propaganda made Bakhmut more valuable than it actually is
Stfu ignorant 12 year old
Bakhmut is important dipshit. It's their foothold in Donetsk, a rail hub and a citadel to attack Donetsk city from.
>Ukrainian propaganda made Bakhmut more valuable than it actually is
This. Bakhmut is what happens when you get (1) Russia's incompetent military trying to squeeze out its first win in months of cuckold grind warfare, and (2) Ukraine's optics-focused showbiz leaders insecure about five minutes of Twitter good news for Russia.
>Ukrainian propaganda made Bakhmut more valuable than it actually is
you're retarded
it's part of the 70km+ long fortifications that they built after 2015
the place had the biggest chunk of professional army in 2022
as they were preparing all this time to take the rest of Donbas from here with force
as a bonus: US easily could have made Russia invade by telling its Ukrainian puppet regime to attack
That's you in the pic?
lol
(You) in the right
the only reason why they would still claim to their part od the city if if they dont have any defences between bahmut and slovian and kramatosts
they are killing russian at a higher cost, tell me, why wont ukranians go to the battlefield armed with spoons to kill russians? because they will kill them at a higher cost
not hard to understand
>Xoxol strategy is to just kill Russians: OMG BASED! That's how you win a war!!! extremelyexcitedsöyjack.jpb
>Russian strategy is to just kill Xoxoxls: Lmao they're not capturing the flag, it's ogre. smugsöyjack.jpg
Nice pfp, Sven.
He’s not Swedish. He’s Ukrainian diaspora. You have no support. You are fucking alone.
the situation in bakhmut is not advantageous for the ukranian forces
its not good to be surrounded, even less so when the enemy has a considerable artillery advantage
They fight by staying in ditches and basements, and Russians, as a safety precaution, worry about losing manpower wont got farther until buildings where Ukrainians are hiding collapse on their heads.
Dude... 4/5 casualties among the fighting forces, that is both sides, comes from artillery. And the Russians got a 10/1 advantage in numbers of shells and missiles fired. It's not the Russians who are suffering the most casualties by having the battle fought inside a city almost entirely surrounded by the Russians.
I don't support either side in this conflict as i don't feel i got a leg in on either side, but the pro Ukrainians (including western msm) time and time again prove that they are truly retarded...
Fighting while all your supply lines are within range of everything down to infantry mortars is hardly conducive to a favourable casualty ratio
How did Bakhmutt get surrounded by a bunch of Russian prisoners with spades?
They piled up all around it.
Feds don't understand that we can remember past fed statements. Another fed failure, like the 338 pieces of evidence.
FPBP
CHURKAS
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CHEKIST
holy shit you caused a lot of seething with such a small, simple post. gj anon
>flak over target
Lying is called guaranteed replies for a reason. It was literally an express NATO goal from before the invasion.
They obviously hate Ukraine and want the Ukrainian people genocided, so they should be glad. But they aren't. They get angry that Bakhmut is still being defended. A million variants of "STOP RESISTING! LAY DOWN AND DIE!" is all cum/chug/gers have to say because their dream of a asiatic horde from the east sweeping away all their problems and making the bad israelites go away isn't happening. Because they are demoralized cowards that can't do shit themselves other than whine on a forum, and wouldn't even defend their own homes if ZOG sent goons.
Damn bro you sound pretty gay for Ukraine. I'm sure Zelensky could use some more warm bodies for the trenches. Pretty sad that Ukraine with all this western gibs from NATO is getting shelled to rubble by a horde of convicts. Remind me the status of Ukraines infrastructure compared to the "losing side". Troop logistics? Ammo and reserves? Kek to the last Ukranian.
Nice selfie
Stop avatar posting anon
DO NOT PANIC UKRAINE SISTERS OUR TOP PROPAGANDISTS ARE GOING TO DISPENSE SOME NATO FUELED COPIUM SOON ONCE THEY FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PLAN IS
The plan is to kill more ziggers, and it's going to plan with even the Russian army help going along with it.
1 year later and RU has achieved nothing
Hasbara Shiksa
Lol. Have you not noticed the western hegemony collapsing all around you?
>1 year later and RU has achieved nothing
I think this is the overall goal of the Ukrainian Command, deny Russia any kind of victory, not to buy time or trade favorably with them. They are just gonna deny Russia any kind of victory on the battle field and soak up the casualties.
This is an awful strategy.
>imagine getting a blank check from white cucks and STILL getting mogged by a fucking PMC
>NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO DON'T SEND ME TO THE BAKHMUTERINO I POSTED MONKE MAN EVERY DAY
The manpower that will make this offensive a success.
Why's there no video of women getting dragged like this?
Do you seriously have to ask this question?
Curious how the only person here looking defeated while crying is wearing a Russian VDV shirt.
Nice cope, UHG-bro.
I saw that sailor shirt on several ukrainians
I'm going to Europe at the end of the year, Russia better fucking not get btfo by then.
>Why's there no video of women getting dragged like this?
The Liberators aren't there yet.
Why would you not hikki it up if you are a Ukr male?
THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING
Looks like we found the next "Russian" getting owned by a drone footage!
Good jaaab! Slava Ukrain, right goys?
YOU ARE GOING TO BLACKMUTT
Why dosen't he want to die for israelitelensky and globalhomo? That can't be a true ukie, i juat can't imagine the ones that post here being so recalcitrant
Well, it wasn't without reason that Ukraine had to ban men 18-60 from leaving the country
The clearly winning "right side of history".webm, everyone.
>NOOO PLEASE DON'T DRAFT ME, WE'RE WINNING!!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_in_the_Army_Now_(song)
>om nom nom
>buuurp
the hot dog man said
There is so many wrecked Pookraine and Poolish vehicles all over Bahkmut now it is turning into a reverse battle of Kyiv.
According to the OSINT map there are currently three brigades in Bakhmut proper. The 93rd Mechanized, 241st Territorial Defense Brigade and 3rd Spartan Brigade. This could be anywhere from 6000-15000 men. Opposing them is the Wagner PMC and 57th Motor Rifle Brigade. The Wagner PMC is estimated to have been 50.000 men in December. Wagner has been actively recruiting prisoners since then (though not in the last month since MoD took over) and have recently opened a ton of new recruitment centers. There are constant complaints by Prigozhin about his lack of ammo, even posting images himself of piles of bodies because of this lack of ammo. Russians are bleeding, hard. And when the time has come that paid mercs and convicts run out, it'll be mobilised men doing the fighting. Wonder who has more morale.
First, Prigozhin is a troll and salesman. What he's saying is half-truth. Namely, there's no ''ammo shortage'', they're just receiving same allotment as everyone else. It's a balancing act. Wagner is after all a PMC, and other Russian troops are angry they aren't given same shit. In any case, they reduced their artillery usage (they still dwarf Ukrainians) to create a shell reserve for potential major offensives.
>57th MR Brigade
Not engaged in operations around Bakhmut, it's just Wagner.
men
Nope, way lower. 20-30000 perhaps.
>6000-15000 men
Almost certainly not. Very few Ukrainian brigades at this point are fully manned. Same goes for Russian units.
>Russians are bleeding, hard
Russians are certainly taking losses but unlike Ukrainian losses, their losses are quite literally irrelevant since a large fraction of those are literal convicts.
Ukrainians are meanwhile deploying ''elite'' formations.
You can pretty much say goodbye to big Ukrainian offensive in the spring. It was always a far shot, but now with their further commitment to Bakhmut, they will bleed their last reserves.
Alright.. so it's 1000-5000 Ukrainians in severely depleted brigades against 20-30000 Wagner. Wagner's progress can be measure in meters per day against a entrenched enemy. They are bleeding, hard. Your entire cope about Ukrainian losses being higher relies on the delusional thought that somehow the attackers take less casualties than the defenders. And I'll simply never believe that. Especially not in a city filled with ruins and cellars that provide excellent cover against artillery.
>somehow the attackers take less casualties than the defenders
I can give you 50 historical engagements where this happened. I have absolutely no idea who taught you that, but you repeat it like a mantra.
''Excellent cover'' or not, Ukrainians die a lot in Bakhmut, and Ukrainian soldiers themselves say it.
You're just being Dunning-Kruger about this thing.
>They are bleeding, hard
And this doesn't matter. Wagner personnel is mostly expendable.
Ukrainian personnel in some cases isn't, when it comes to their ''elite'' formations. And even TD by now.
Are you really so blind you fail to see daily videos of press ganging people from the street?
They're out of readily available manpower for months now.
then how come they still cant take the place after 9 months now of "Killing Ukrainians" ? care to explain that one ?
>hur dur war is like a video game
you are fucking dumb and a waste of space. Why do you even bother coming to /misc/. There has been thousands of dead on both sides. But yes Russia is killing more.
then how come they havent taken it after 9 months and all were seeing is wagner fags getting propelled through the air there ?
>hur dur then why haven't they taken it like my video games
Because dickhead Ukraine fortified Donbass for years before the invasion. You don't understand military tactics or terrain in general. Go to a porn site and leave.
>muh fortification
damn those trenches fuck up russian subhums THIS HARD ?
fucking lol
Dude, he's right. You're retarded
You're really retarded. If they take it then they can't kill them.
Ukraine is led by retards. Bakhmut is a lost cause but it's still there. So the idiots running the show will fall for a sunk-cost fallacy in a desperate hope to save years of preparation. They're throwing more meat and weapons at it.
There's no need to rush. Take it slow and enjoy the Ukrainians, Poles and other NATO volunteers and hopefully, their soon to be destroyed leopard tanks.
>If they take it then they can't kill them.
What does this mean? Genuinely curious. Are you saying there's international law requiring them to take prisoners if they capture the town?
>You're really retarded. If they take it then they can't kill them.
ahh yes, the "losing on purpose" cope, a classic vatnig cope. LMAO
Don't engage it. Just ignore. Respond to people making an argument, those who just spam get ignored. Your experience will be more enjoyable.
good advice.
Ukes pour men into a limited area with limited places to hide and get continuously bombarded to death? Why would Russians ever stop?
and lemme guess russia hasn't lost one guy, one tank, one artillery piece etc in this fantasy of yours?
There are Russian tankers that are on the 4-5th tank now, so I don't think Russia care much about material losses.
Gerasimov is famous for his no contact warfare doctrine meant to save Russian manpower.
What is your nagger famous for, if not woke and affirmative action?
Gerasimov is famous for human wave tactics and taking massive losses with minimal gain
>red.dit nagger keep talking about human wave tactics
Instantly disregarded lel. Its like you're all using the same script
it's the reddit and spi/k/ script
>muh human waves
>muh 6 million ruZZian wagner naZis killed every day
>literal reddlt spacing
You're not worth the rubles you're getting paid, pidor.
that's not what reddit spacing is newfag reddit war tourist go back to pooland
Which one of you naggers put the crest on my flag in the wrong place?
That human waves shit is official NATO propaganda. All the "free and independent" newspapers in NATO-occupied regions are printing the same stories.
Two of my co-workers get their war reports exclusively from local mainsteam media sources. One year in and they still don't know the most basic facts about that war and still can't make sense of anything that's going on, because they've been served nothing but horseshit the entire time.
Heh, just yesterday was watching some german-switzerland journo complaining how nobody invites him to war tv talk shows because what he says it too out of the main narrative, can't have that.
Use the roads and high grounds around it to bombard Kramatorsk and Salavyansk and also advance on Konstantinovka or Toretsk from the back. The railway line is also important and will speed up logistics.
Easy explanation: because the Ukrainians keep sending more and more?
>9 months
Still more recent than your image lmao
Go back you fucking miscreant. Wagner is waiting for you in Blackmutt. That 30:1 K/D ratio is waiting for you.
>just not in the way you expect
Perhaps killing Ukrainians is the actual object, as opposed to "taking" Bakhmut.
It's a win win for the Russians
Ukraine can't use the city as a transportation hub while its under siege
Russia has the entire city and escape route targeted with artillery
Ukrainians keep sending in more Ukrainians to die.
Russia's stated goals at the start of this were to:
1) demilitarize Ukraine
2) de-nazify Ukraine
Thanks to the irrational desire to hold onto the city, the Ukrainians are accomplishing nothing but saving fuel and shortening supply lines for Wagner
>Perhaps killing Ukrainians is the actual object, as opposed to "taking" Bakhmut.
No shit sherlock.
Eat a dick
The meat grinder has been in operation for over 12 months now, do you seriously think the Russian armed forces couldn't take a fucking town in Ukraine?
The "perhaps" was rhetorical kangaroo nagger. Of course Russia could have taken it already. I was just trying to be nice to the retarded German anon. Did you even read my post? I hate you vegemite cunts so much.
Hohols keep flooding in at orders of their israeli leader, Russia keeps killing them. Is not even important city, just some Wagner mercs there.
And due to city being encircled if some hohol inside it is being wounded they can't evacuate him right away along the chain of evacuation, in best case scenario he has to wait until night time for this. Which means a lot of hohols turn from WIA into KIA there.
Despite their elite nato training hohols cannot hold the line against convicts, kek.
they held the line for a year, lmao, russia cant even advance 10 miles in 9 years!
>I can give you 50 historical engagements where this happened.
Go ahead
>Ukrainians die a lot in Bakhmut, and Ukrainian soldiers themselves say it.
True, they also say 5 Russian die for every Ukrainian
>And this doesn't matter. Wagner personnel is mostly expendable.
I'm not even sure what kind of cope this is.
>Are you really so blind you fail to see daily videos of press ganging people from the street?
Literally each and everyone of those videos has fighting aged males walking around the scene without being arrested, they're arresting draftdodgers. Honestly saying that any side will run out of manpower is nothing but pure cope. In other wars nations have lost in a month what has been lost in a entire year of war now without even budging manpower wise. Any side of this conflict running out of manpower is nothing but pure cope.
>True, they also say 5 Russian die for every Ukrainian
If you believe that shit you are absolutely retarded.
Aah, okay, so believing Ukrainians when they say they're dying is fine, but when they say in the same breath that Russians are dying more it's fake and gay.
It's called a cope, retard
Yeah, why is this confusing for you?
The Ukrainians boldly lie like Bolsheviks. Obviously they're going to exaggerate their kills and underestimate their losses (yes I'm aware Russia does this too like every faction in a war but Ukrainians and the West are uniquely absurd).
So with that in mind, when your enemy is admitting to X number of deaths, X can be safely considered to be the minimum number of casualties. This is significant because the number they are willing to admit to losing is much higher than what the Russians are losing.
At best, it's confirmed that Russians are killing WAY more Ukes than vice versa.
At worst, the body count for Ukes is way higher than they're admitting.
>I'm aware Russia does this too l
Are they though?
Russia bury their dead in their home town as heroes of Russia, and only Wagner penals and foreigners go to some field somewhere.
Lying about the losses is way harder for Russian, than for the Ukraine, that bury their dead in huge graveyards far away from their home town.
Look I had to throw out that disclaimer because NAFO redditors will nitpick and drill on that point and ignore the rest of my post.
Honestly I believe Russians lie a lot less. I consider their reports of casualties more honest. The Ukrainian lies are cartoonishly retarded.
fudging own numbers is more difficult. BBC went through a painstakingly laborous task to count all Russian KIA by scowering through Russian obituaries and the like. all they could come up with was 16000 KIA - is probably in reality higher, but not by a magnitude of order. BBC has no reason to lie - the other way around. So russian official numbers are pretty much in line with what the BBC found out.
ukraine has more than 200k - some say 350k - deaths. they hide their numbers tho by categorizing many KIA as MIA.
butr you are right, that in the end true numbers are hard to come by. but if i talk to ukrainians i know here privately...it's bad - really bad. Husbands and sons are either hiding in cellars not to be snatched up or you pay bribes or you have connections. i haven't heard anything remotely similar from the russians i know. but this is of yourse only a personal experience. for me though it's better than just the propaganda - meaning could be another
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/3/7391935/
>The media emphasise that we are talking only about the data that they manage to find and verify from open sources, that is, the real number of losses is much higher.
>In addition, Russia's total irretrievable losses (wounded, killed or missing people) may amount to at least 144,500 people.
>but if i talk to ukrainians i know here privately...it's bad - really bad. Husbands and sons are either hiding in cellars not to be snatched up or you pay bribes or you have connections.
Same here. Talked to a girl that fled here but her husband is stuck in the cellar back in Ukraine. He lost his job, there's no hot water and the toilet doesn't work. The only way he's able to buy food is because she sends him some of the gibs she gets.
>Go ahead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
Pretty much every engagement in this war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict
Pretty much every engagement here too (and Israelis didn't exactly have firepower superiority in most cases, at least not in material sense).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Verdun
Opening stages of Verdun are another example. In fact, this is Verdun for Ukraine, except Russians are doing it better than Germans and aren't over-committing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorlice%E2%80%93Tarn%C3%B3w_offensive
Another WW1 battle/operation.
I could use shitload of other battles, even Iran-Iraq War, but numbers are more disputed there so I won't do it.
In reality this is one of the rarer conflicts where one side has SUCH immense firepower superiority in every sense.
>True, they also say 5 Russian die for every Ukrainian
No evidence for that. They also say many things but I tend to focus on what they say about themselves. For Russians, they have every reason to lie and exaggerate.
>they're arresting draftdodgers
Yes. But that has a significance.
Ok, great, lets look at your examples.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
Complete and utter air control and technological superiority in every single way, over 100.000 sorties for bombing runs. If you consider this comparable to what is going on there, you're not very smart.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict
Same story
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Verdun
this one is the only interesting one, roughly equal casualties over nearly a year of fighting. So we come to the conclusion that casualties would be roughly equal right? So it's a meatgrinder for both?
>No evidence for that. They also say many things but I tend to focus on what they say about themselves. For Russians, they have every reason to lie and exaggerate.
Ok, so you do believe Russians calling it a meatgrinder as well?
>Yes. But that has a significance.
As much significance as Russia arresting draftdodgers yeah.
>Complete and utter air control and technological superiority in every single way, over 100.000 sorties for bombing runs. If you consider this comparable to what is going on there, you're not very smart.
I'm talking about tactical engagements in that war, not the whole picture.
>Same story
nagger, Israeli tanks in 1973 didn't even have NV equipment, yet they trounced Arabs in several night engagements. In terms of material and numbers and firepower (on paper), Arabs had huge advantage.
>roughly equal casualties over nearly a year of fighting
After a YEAR. I'm talking about opening stages, before French brought up half of their army and most of their artillery there.
Germans raped them.
>As much significance as Russia arresting draftdodgers yeah.
Post such videos from Russia. We have daily ones from Ukraine.
On the contrary, germany had a lot of causalties at the opening stage of the battle of verdun, even though they had superior artillery. French causalties ramped up because they counter attacked to take back every inch of ground.
The battle of verdun had equal causalties because the french systematically counter attacked even when germany had superior artillery numbers.
>Are you really so blind you fail to see daily videos of press ganging people from the street?
>Zelensky only requests weapons from the West
>never personnel
...But keep thinking that the arrests of spies and traitors is "press ganging".
Zelensky is asking for personnel all the time you actual factual NAFO retard. He is also receiving some in secret, which is why Ukraine has not collapsed yet.
>and Ukrainian soldiers themselves say it.
russians would also say it but it's literally illegal for them to do so.
its just basic logic nagger, if the attackers are outkilling the defenders, they will advance. meanwhile, in reality, they have barely advanced after a year of attacking, they must be taking high casualties for this to be true.
>ruins and cellars that provide excellent cover against artillery.
Pic related there is a full Ukrainian company hiding inside this cellar
They just can't comprehend how this shit works because in their mind Russians are stuck in 50s and just wildly lob shells around.
Even though they have first-hand non-Russian accounts of how it works. They just refuse to learn. It's easier to stick to mantras and points which make your side look good.
Good. Kills more of them. Just don't take them seriously, nothing makes them seethe more. Their whole MO is to keep regurgitating shit with no context, if you just calmly repeat the facts and ignore them they mald kek
Dead hohols stacking, impotent NAFOtroon screeching, comfy.
I'm never addressing them directly, honestly, because I'm aware they're a cult by now.
I'm simply giving my opinions for majority here that isn't too emotionally invested in this conflict.
Never said that.
>Russia's best fighter
Nope.
Your argument is simply idiotic. On Russian side, it's ONE formation, roughly division or small corps sized.
On the other hand, at this point, HALF of Ukrainian Army will be deployed and rotated there.
You're just reversing the argument and it looks insanely stupid as basic facts show.
>the delusional thought that somehow the attackers take less casualties than the defenders
If the attacker wins that's usually the case...
The 3 vs 1 rule doesn't mean three times as much casualties
The attacker overwhelms the defender with more firepower
Wait until he learns of the incredibly novel concept of ''force multipliers''.
Joking aside, I find it amazing these people are so emotionally invested in this conflict, and it's going on for months, yet they refuse to learn anything.
All I've seen these months is Russia retreating for nearly 11 months straight after some initial gains only to now have nothing but marginal gains while more and more weapons flow to Ukraine.
All you've seen is stuff you want to see, and you refuse to take a holistic approach to this conflict, instead you just cherry-pick elements which suit your narrative.
>gains
Almost irrelevant, that's not the primary goal of this conflict.
Basically you're wildly swinging between tactical, operational and strategic level, while cherry-picking elements that make ''your'' side look good.
That's not how you analyze conflicts.
Then open up those slant eyes you greasy fag, you're not paying attention your Ukrainian fantasy is over. You'll never be a real woman.
> 1000-5000 Ukrainians in severely depleted brigades against 20-30000 Wagner.
> Your entire cope about Ukrainian losses being higher relies on the delusional thought that somehow the attackers take less casualties than the defenders
Are you fucking stupid?
Seriously
The numbers presented are all but a mop up on the part of Wagner.
The ruins and rubble might provide the defenders with a slight advantage, but not enough to make up a 30:5 ratio while the 30 is supported by heavy artillery bombardment.
>And I'll simply never believe that
That's why you are a dumbass. Numbers matter, physics matters. If the Persians had had artillery, no one would know Leonidas' name
>They are bleeding, hard.
Both the Russian and ukrainian army is around the same in size but only ukraine deploying their strategic reserve into Bakhmut just to fight Wanger, meanwhile Russian reserves are chilling in Kursk and Belarus.
>our entire cope about Ukrainian losses being higher relies on the delusional thought that somehow the attackers take less casualties than the defenders. And I'll simply never believe that.
Modern war is not like medieval warfare with fortress assaults and whatnot.The side with the superior firepower can suppress the enemy and can advance and takes less casualties.Russia have superior firepower.
Also,ukraine got put into a cauldron and their reinforcements,supplies and withdrawing troops getting shoot at.
You can believe whatever fantasy headcanon makes you better able to cope with the battle of Bakhmut but the reality is that ukraine is losing it and they are losing it bad.
Nice work vatnagger, you sure showed that guy! They should make you a general. Whyd they ever assign you to desk duty?
Are you afraid of words or something? Are you a nagger?
Oops looks like your proxy changed. You know what, on second thought let's just keep you pushing pencils and jacking off to anime children
seethe more faggit
i'm pretty sure Urkaine gets slaughtered in Bakhmut
The idea that Russia has an unlimited supply of men is idiotic. Firstly you could use them else where, second you still have to support them and also the Russian army is looking on in horror and realising they will be next into the meat grinder.
Bakmut is draining Russia of its will to fight and gives hope to Ukrainians. Russia best fighters are losing every day Bakmut stands.
you can't even spell Bakhmut so stfu
I don't think he's clinically sane at this point. He's a bit like Saddam in Kuwait. Just wants to destroy everything, including his own. Classical behaviour of a defeated man.
>Russia is currently sorting through organizational issues which were created through the country’s unique mixed service model (which mixes contract soldiers and conscripts), and in particular the wearisome Battalion Tactical Group (BTG).
>The Russian army utilizes a mixed model of professional contract soldiers and conscripts, and these two types of personnel have an important legal differentiation. Conscripts cannot be deployed in combat outside of Russia without a declaration of war. This means that a given Russian unit (let’s just use a brigade as the standard example) has a full (“paper”) strength comprised of mixed personnel, and a rump core of contract soldiers that can be deployed abroad. >The question for Russian leadership therefore becomes how to design these units to fight without their conscripts. The answer to this problem was the Battalion Tactical Group, which is a derivative formation that spins off (if you will) from the brigade. The design of these units has other considerations of course, but the basic concern driving the creation of the BTG was the need to craft a force that could fight without its conscripts.
>The BTG, as has been noted, is heavy on firepower, with a strong organic complement of artillery tubes and armored vehicles, but exceptionally light on infantry. This has implications for both offensive and defensive operations, which we saw very clearly in the first nine months of the war in Ukraine.
>On the defense, the BTG (being infantry poor) has to fight from behind a thin screen, and inflict defeats on the enemy with its ranged fires. This isn’t a unit that can fight doggedly to hold forward positions; it’s built to maul the attacker.
>More generally, however, BTGs are fragile units, by which we mean relatively low losses in infantry or tanks make them unsuitable for further combat tasks. This makes the unit something of a glass cannon - capable of dealing out tremendous firepower but not built to sustain operations after moderate losses.
>Being a fundamentally “slimmed down” unit, it struggles to sustain and recover combat capability without rotating to the rear to receive replacements or cannibalizing other units.
>In a sense, this is what you’d expect given the constraints of the contract-conscript model, which by its very nature forced the Russians to design a stripped-down, manpower light subsidiary to their full strength brigades. This is why Russia had a general scarcity of manpower that began to compromise its overall operational effectiveness over the summer of 2022 as Ukrainian mobilization and western aid resulted in an enormous UA numerical advantage.
>At the peak, the first phase of the war probably saw no more than 80,000 regular Russian combat personnel in Ukraine, and even with the DNR, LNR, and Wagner providing an infantry buffer, the total Russian force was outnumbered at least 3-1. The BTG could still inflict huge damage, but the construction of the force in Ukraine was simply not sufficient for the scope of the theater, leading to a huge section of front in Kharkov being hollowed out. Hence, mobilization.
>Here is where the signs of organizational issues begin to appear. The time had come, with mobilization finally giving Russia the deployable manpower that it needed, to pivot away from infantry poor BTGs and begin conducting large unit operations, but it is clear that the organizational process for incorporating mobilized personnel into the army and assembling large units (brigades and higher) has not been efficient. The mobilized seem to have initially been utilized in a variety of ways. Some were sent to existing units in the operations zone as replacements, others were placed into new units comprised entirely of mobilized personnel. The result is a grab bag of variegated units that have yet to be organized into large units for offensive operations.
>A bit of chaos was probably to be expected, given that nobody alive has experience conducting a general mobilization for a continental war, and the entire process for Russia is a bit murky due to the many different classes of personnel and the legal barrier to utilizing conscripts. Broadly, however, it seems clear that the process of pivoting from the stripped down BTG expeditionary army back to larger parent formations has been inefficient, and Russia is still in the process of forming large units. Additionally, there remains something of a backlog delivering upgraded infantry fighting vehicles (BMPs especially) to the forming motor rifle units.
>Against the backdrop of this process, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu announced a new program of military reorganization. Perhaps the most significant item on the list of changes is the decision to begin converting existing brigades into divisions.
Tldr; russkies are reorganizing their forces and Wagner is basically the only active force doing large scale pushes with any success because the rest of the brigades are being turned into divisions with new manpower and this takes time to implement on an active frontline
Based Big Serge reader. Do you pay attention to iSteve?
>Bakmut is draining Russia of its will to fight and gives hope to Ukrainians. Russia best fighters are losing every day Bakmut stands.
It's funny to me how "Bakhmut meat grinder" was a phrase used by Russia at the begging of the war to describe Ukraine sending thousands of troops and equipment to a city deemed strategically unimportant by their own MoD. I guess now hohols are trying to reverse the narrative so that they don't lose face even further.
lol. lmao even. Wagner troops are having fun in all the videos, Prighozin is making jokes and trolling the hohols from the combat zone, and hohols have at least 12k troops trapped unable to leave the meatgrinder. This will be an unparalleled disaster for the hohol golems.
>Russia best fighters are losing every day Bakmut stands.
The Russian army isn't even there, it's a PMC doing the fighting.
Cope hall of fame post
Britbong pol is full of shit skins and russian shills
Theyre demoralized cretins. Dont even bother.
>Theyre demoralized cretins
Why do you support this shit?
>Why do you support this shit?
>supporting white people against asian mongols is the same as like naggers
What fucking schizoid thoughts.
What exactly does ukraine have to do with naggers and fags? How will them losing or winning even affect.
Fuck off cretin. You are delusional.
>''ammo shortage'',
Pretty sure Iran just sailed two transports full of ammo to Russia.
It smells like a planned WW3 by the powers that be. All you really have to do is align huge egos against each other and it takes care of itself.
Russia wants more land. Starts taking it.
In comes world police from the other side of the planet? With a senile 80 year old Catholic at the helm, wearing a Canada hat, surrounded by a flock or war hawks the likes of which we haven't seen since WW2?
Prepare thy anus!
Russia clearly never wanted more land. They wanted a buffer zone from NATO, and for the ethnic Russians in Donbas to stop being killed. There were clearly a lot of ways this could have gone where Russia would have backed down without taking any land.
OSINT OWL is such a pile of garbage cope that I can't even begin to describe how shit their "intel" is. If ever there was a subtle Ukranian bias on the net, it's the fucker behind OSINT OWL.
One wonders what the point is of such obvious bias. What will really, honestly be the result of the normies being convinced ukes are 2 weeks from winning and that the losses from war are inverted ?
Is it just to make the pentagon trannies feel good about themselves or something? I've noticed they always insert themselves into the conflict "our", "your", "us", "we" etc etc. narcissistic shit totally removed from the horror of the situation
The point is to keep up public support for the conflict. It's all PR so people don't realize they are basically genociding Ukrainians by encouraging globohomo to send them into the meat grinder.
There are more questions to this, like why all the peace-loving democrats are not making any effort to negotiate a peace and instead are doing all they can to escalate, up to and including blowing gas pipelines, but at this point the option that I'm left with is that we are in the hands of literally insane people.
I get the feeling USA is not confident in its military/NATO anymore and they’re doing everything to avoid being pressured into having to enter the war or show weakness, so portraying Ukraine as some military juggernaut steamrolling Russia and sending them all the surplus they can afford to keep them from being buried while trying to submit Russia through political channels is all about buying time to get their shit in order, optimally while weakening Europe and Russia in the process.
America waits halfway until the end of the war "it's not our war"
>One wonders what the point is of such obvious bias.
To make the elites feel good about themselves.
>There are constant complaints by Prigozhin about his lack of ammo, even posting images himself of piles of bodies because of this lack of ammo.
So do you believe a cunning, conniving kike just because it goes along with your confirmation bias?
Prigozhin's statements are made to keep Gerasimov on his toes, whether Wagner ammo shortage is real or not.
wagner also appear to be the most effective shock troops of the russian military, they are being ground to dust in bakhmut and replaced by half retarded prisoners and naggers from africa. any future russian offensive will rely on poorly trained fresh reservists and conscripts.
THEY STILL HAVENT FUCKING TAKEN IT ????
FUCKING KEEEK
Does this mean that Russians have lost?
theyre certainly winning on the corpse stacking department
my Grandpa couldnt have killed that much Russian subhumans back then as theyre doing right now sending them into that meatgrinder
>my Grandpa couldnt have killed that much Russian subhumans back then
Still in the end of the day your grandma ended up being raped by more Russians than your grandpa could kill in the whole war
they never got to Bavaria, Grandpa was in the SD all the way up to Moscow
Just curious how was the unit viewed by the German people?
Most Germans think SS Dirlewanger was a clean unit that had no part in the crimes of the Wehrmacht
Both side did atrocities on the Eastern front, as it was noticed that the units that did atrocities surrendered less.
There is your explanation to why the Ukrainians keep doing atrocities, btw.
Your grandfather sucked the dick of a Russian ubermench(my granpa), you animal. And he sucked it from Kursk to Berlin. Carry on with your grandfather's tradition, you animal. Lmao.
We fucked your great great grandfather in Crimea, suck my dick
You were fucked to death in the Crimea by Leo Tolstoy, whom you revere in your culture there, subhumans. Double fuck. Lmao.
What? We won the war retard, like we will win in Ukraine
>Does this mean that Russians have lost?
yeah and the Ukrainian dead and missing are just sleeping
they're tired
yeah Russia lost, 680k dead, Ukros are 50km from Moscow, etc etc
IQ of you people is absolutely subtropical. BTW, how is euro doing? Last I saw this morning is that it dropped in relation fo CHF, AGAIN. Worry more about that.
>BTW, how is euro doing? Last I saw this morning is that it dropped in relation fo CHF, AGAIN. Worry more about that.
oh no, we are one cent down, lets's surrender and let russians improve our economy!!!1111!!!
It was always important.
In reality, it's not. It wasn't important enough to waste half of Ukrainian Army on it, as they're engaged in a battle where Russian advantages are brought to fore.
But they did it, and now it seems they're forced to keep doing it due to political reason.
It's literally just Wagner that engages in any sort of offensive actions.
Russian troops nearby are just flank security basically.
Bakhmut is important it's the hub of Ukraine's fortication network. Zelensky even said so. I trust the president of Ukraine more than some NAFO homosexual talking about killing Russians.
Also ''OSINT'' is unreliable. Units are deployed and withdrawn in a matter of days sometimes.
You can get a rough impression, but that's it.
Shit I posted in OP is effectively a rumor. I'm not claiming it's fully accurate. But what's certainly true is that they're evidently bringing new forces.
Ukraine is being led by USA. Russians don't treat casualties like USA does. So there is a detachment from reality. It doesn't matter how good Ukrainian forces are. The ratio will always favor the Russians.
That's my point, simply because Russians have far more firepower.
Now, in a mobile engagement, it's harder to bring firepower to bear.
But this is not a mobile engagement and Ukrainians concentrated a relatively large formation in a relatively small geographic area.
Basically, the chance to hit shit is increased a lot.
That's the problem with fighting positional battles under conditions of firepower inferiority.
They NEED concentration of troops to stop breakthroughs, but that makes the job easier for Russians.
It's not only fire power it's also numbers. Russia can probably continue at the same rate for like two more years. Ukraine is entirely dependent on USA and kidnapping people to die at the front.
American military advisors have been trying to get Ukraine to retreat from Bakhmut for weeks, they are doing this to themselves
>American military advisors have been trying to get Ukraine to retreat from Bakhmut for weeks,
I don't buy that.
I think the US brass think that they can get more dead Russians per dead Ukie in the Bakhmut fortress than elsewhere.
They might even be correct, even if it's the Ukrainians that do most of the dying.
DEAD RUSSIANS OR UKRAINIANS, ~~*((THEY*~~)) ARE HAPPY, SO LONG AS WHITE MEN IN EUROPE ARE BEING ERADICATED.
>2023: STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED THIS OUT. homosexualS.
Because killing ziggers is always a good tactic and it could precipitate a total Russian collapse.
In your fevered imagination, perhaps.
Time to join reality, it's the exact opposite you fucking mongoloid.
>(literally just Wagner)
Not true though. The russian army is being deployed around the area because of exactly this situation.
a brigade is 4-5000 men
>MonteNEGRO
are you nagger?
They (NATO) want to make sure the fighting age Ukrainians are all dead.
Loss exchange ratio must be horrendous with that surround.
How many cruise missiles it'd take to flatten bahkmut ?
It's already 99.9% flat and the Russians STILL can't take it. LMAO
They're fighting over rubble, that's pretty dark when you think about it
>LMAO
How strong would you need to be to beat some space around yourself ?
IDK
I just don't understand why a bong would want NATO to win in the Ukraine.
I was in Mardi Gras and a thing akin to this happened when Will Ferrell was throwing beads off a balcony
There's almost nothing you can do, it's like a heavy water current. You can do the perpendicular movement and try to get out, but the whole time you're being swept away
Conceptualise the corpulence
Is that imagine the smell in educated?
I rather not, tbh.
Corpulence = fatness.
Can anyone reasonably explain to me how Ukrainians steamrolled Kharkov and Kherson while Russia struggles to take a city of prewar population just under 80k. Genuinely curious
I have no idea what Zelesnky is doing with Bakhmut. Even the Americans are like WTF BRO STOP.
I think he knows what he is doing. Bakhmut is important. I think the strategy is to wear out Russians forces before the hyped spring offensive.
>Russian forces
You mean wagner?
Zelensky is a retard and put himself into a corner.In december when he went to Washington he gave a speech where he declared that the future of the war depends on the Battle of Bakhmut and since he's an optics slave he can't lose the battle now.
what the fuck are you saying, they will have to take back everything anyway
>HAHA ukros are not defending Bakhmut so dumb!
>HAHA ukros are defending Bakhmut so dumb!
you have to imagine Znaggers as pic rel, than then you know how they think
You don't get it, although Russians fire 5× more shells than Ukrainians on average and over 80% of casualties in this war are due to artillery, Ukrainains are winning because Wagner is sending human waves of soldiers equipped with only shovels. But Ukrainains are prolonging the conflict because they want to kill more Russians over a strategically insignificant city, or as it's called now in the west, a "meat grinder". Ukraine needs more weapons, more equipment and more money so that they can win even harder.
>19 brigades
lmao isn’t their brigade 5k people? where the fuck do they keep pulling those thousands of men from?
To the last Hohol
aw hell nah spunch bob
>lmao isn’t their brigade 5k people?
On paper, in reality no.
>where the fuck do they keep pulling those thousands of men from?
From rear or other sectors of the front.
They didn't send their entire army to front, neither did Russians. Troops need to be rotated.
Though they're having trouble with rotation near Bakhmut, and thus some of their units were badly depleted (like 93rd) and they're refilling them in the dumbest way possible, which is to just send individual conscripts to active formations instead of pulling out formations and replacing them as whole (what Russians do).
Bahmut is not important, Slavyansk-Kramatorsk agglomeration is like 5 Bahmuts in terms of how reinforced it is. It's more about Zelensky being ready to fight to the last Ukrainian, no matter the cost of reaching that last Ukrainian.
Bakhmut is the most fortified position in all of the front
>picrelated
>Oleksand
hohols are probably the only euro nation that deformed the name of Alexander the great because ti sounded too russian to them.
what is 19 brigades of 4 hours?
in Warhammer 40k the life of an guardsmen is not 15 hours?
Why do the Russians keep pushing through the urban areas instead of sending that massive amount of infantry to go past the city?
Because Ukrainians reduced their forces in urban area, and they think they can seize large parts of it. Wagner is a light infantry formation mostly, urban and closed terrain suits them. And it seems they expect Ukrainian offensive soon.
Because they want hohols to take the bait and pour more troops into the city to kill, which is exactly what they're doing
This war is completely attrition based, Russia wants as many hohols dead as possible in order to resettle the land with Russians
Why did the SU pound the Mannheim line until Finland capitulated?
...and that's another reason why this ''bleeding Russians'' argument is idiotic.
Wagner as a formation is good in these battles.
They certainly aren't bleeding regular Russian mechanized formations.
>We need 19 brigades more to take back this strategically irrelevant village from literal mercenaries, and that's why Ukraine is winning
>literal mercenaries
there’s an interview with some australian training ukrainians (he said he does “other things” in addition) where he described wagner operations, and according to him the actual wagner guys are just doing “infiltration operations”, scouting, shelling and coordinating the convicts, all of whom are tracked electronically so their precise positions are always known to the command in contrast to ukrainians who have to use physical flags in a lot of cases
he said they scout and mark precise positions of ukrainian troops, shell them into the ground, then the convicts move in basically unimpeded and wagner personnel itself never exposes itself outside of those infiltration operation, whatever that means
the interview was basically begging the australian government to send more shit, so it could be biased towards portraying overwhelming opposition
is deploying 19 brigades (16 maneuver and 3 artillery brigades) to push Russians (literally just Wagner) back from Bakhmut
>where the fuck do they keep pulling those thousands of men from?
>From rear or other sectors of the front.
So they are gonna be weak somewhere else.
Guess an attack from another direction will follow when the mud dries up.
For people who don’t grasp the significance of this city, and believe it doesn’t matter: Bakhmut has symbolic importance to NATO. It directly translates into “Black Mutt” and was established shortly after Obama took office. Allowing Russians to buckbreak the black mutt would be a huge morale loss for the largely mixed race non-binary over at NATO
the entire cope was that they were killing 6 trillion ruZZian wagner naZis every day defending the city
now they are surrounded by 3 sides Wagner has the upper ground and are entrenched so what's the justification for khazar mutts?
Redpill me on the 3CYhub? what does it mean?
just a funny memeworthy patch
I may not be a perfect person, but at least I'm not Niko Avocado.
>I'm not Niko Avocado.
suspicious
prove it
3cy is just armed forces of ukraine. they added hub for the pornhub meme
>zoomed in map with "Champagne factory" and "Waste Sorting plant" some 500 meters apart
so this is the current rate of the 2 day blitzkrieg operation
hello judaized glownagger
you are not the hunter
you are the prey
> HEAD of NATO begs Zelesnky to falll back
> NO!
> The entire Pentagon strongly advises him to give up the city
> NO!
> His Chief of Staff Zalusnhi begs him
> NO!
> Bakhmut almost completly encircled, now is the last chance to withdraw
> NO! Send in ALL the reserves!
What the hell is the israeli stiletto clown thinking?
he did say to the last hohol, i think he meant that he wants them all dead to make space for the chosen people.
Its just lile Hitler and Stalingrad, pure ego destroying the army with retarded no-step-back orders.
Amazing how nothing has changed since I took this screencap months ago
First it was a strategic retreat from bakhmut and now our media is saying it's a strategic comeback
Lol
The fuck happened here.
day 2 no lean
Rival drug dealer staved in the neck
nerve gas
>homeboy spends like 20 seconds just looking at him and walking around
I mean it's a severe arterial bleed and you probably aren't gonna save him but DO SOMETHING nagger
Nothing to do but hold his hand and try to comfort him before he passes at that point
Geographically, Bakhmut possesses little value. To Ukraine, its only significant importance lies in the fact that it is part of Ukraine, so if they do not remove the Russians now, they will have to do so at a later point. For Russia, however, the significance of Bakhmut lies in the fact that it would allow Wagner to claim a victory for Russia, which Putin has been unable to do. Therefore, Wagner will throw wave after wave of former Russian prisoners at the problem until Ukraine leaves. Since Bakhmut would be beneficial for Russian morale, however, it is in Ukraine's best interest to keep killing Russians there.
There's no downsides to russians not taking the city in its current situation. Ukrainians are encircled and the only route in/out is shelled whenever some traffic appears. At this point im not sure if Zelenski is putin's puppet and clearing out the ukrainian military of both weapons and manpower.
> strategically irrelevant village
there are lithium minerals deposits there worth billions of dollars, that's what that 'war' is for.
https://www.renewablematter.eu/articles/article/ukraine-all-lithium-reserves-and-mineral-resources-in-war-zones
Participating soldiers getting some peanuts instead of share of future profits irritates me to nop end. Some filthy israelite will get it all to compenstae him for lost yachts.
It's always like that, that's why I was avoiding going to army when it was obligatory. Get yourself killed because president israelite or oligarch israelite doesn't seem like good option to me. I hope you're safely away from conscript.
When russians are taking such high casualties, how are they advancing everyday for months?
>Memeflag status:
>BUCKBROKE
Kek, many such cases
Ukrainians can counter-attack anytime chud. See for your-ACKK
That are probably our bmp XD. Fuck or government is retarded.
So on its own it isn't strategically highly important, you might speculate that Ukrainians are killing more Russians there and its a way of grinding Russians down but we don't really know because fog of war and no body really knows or tells the truth about casualties and other things. But its strategic irrelevance is also the reason why if Ukraine can deny Russia from capturing it it makes the Russians look incompetent and failing, its a big psychological victory.
>19 brigades
Ukie brigades are like 750-1500 men now. There's a reason the propagandists don't cite troop numbers.
>Ukraine deploys 20,000 men to Bakhmut to stop getting rolled by Kazakh prison conscripts
Just doesn't have the same ring to it. We know there are only about 260,000 Ukrainian soldiers and mercs in Ukraine left. Deploying 19 full-strength brigades would be nearly half that number.
Is that the latest cope?
>the only vatnaggers in this thread are from poor shithole countries with high concentration of russian aids monkey immigrants
Lol, lmao even.
Bakhmut is gonna be to the last Wagner
pooland is a third world nagger shithole and you need to go back subhuman
>just wagner
6. In case of incidents (traffic incidents, servicemen under influence of alcohol/drugs, injuries or fatalities among civilians, etc.) identify yourself as a Wagner PMC combatant.
If you are able to read that, then you are most likely an Ukrainian refugee.
Why not go back a fight?
Imagine using a Norwegian flag, but you are actually some aziatic subhuman and do not know how to use google translator.
kek just recently all private pro-Russian telegrams screeched because top command tried to prohibit any vehicles other than belong to Armed Forces including Military Road Police stopping convoys
Oh, no, not the printed paper cutout in from of an unidentifiable ID!
Wagner might be going rogue, Wagner communication is now completely cut from the Russian government and military command according to them.
This is a part of their social media strategy genius. They're pouring in more people into the meat grinder so they can have bots post about how it's taking Russia ages to take inches of a tiny unimportant villiage.
Good, that's around 80 thousands of ukies. Obviously, most of them will not end up in Bakhmut itself, but still quite big number for "irrelevant" city.
Is or is not Buckmoot strategically significant? What's Russia going to do after capturing it?
Going forward with sticks, do Russians really?
>wasn't this strategically irrelevant village and wasn't the goal of this whole operation to bleed Russians?
kek, you montenaggers will fall for each and every psyop
Ukrainians have been amassing troops on every frontline, everyone is expecting some brutal push in one direction, yet they probes have just been getting massacred if not pushed back. I’m sure a concentrated push is in order to finally test the Russian defense but again Ukraine is less mechanized day by day, they guys on the ground are getting blue balled by NATO leader goons.
>muh Wagner wunderwaffen single handedly winning the war
do ziggers really?
Don't you tell me bakhmut is STILL not in Russian hands. Don't you fucking tell me.
>weeks of notice that the city would be encircled
>still leave thousands of troops inside
>oh no send everyone to stop the encirclement and get them out
so when is this encirclement happening?
3 weeks?
Anglo fails basic geometric shapes
ah it's the classic "surrounded on 3 sides".
thanks, nagger.
>what is artillery's range
anglos can't into war anymore
I see benis XD
Ivanivske comes first. Then it's over for Bakhmut. Then likely there will be a battle for Chasiv Yar, who knows how long that will go on for. After that, the final and decisive
> Battle at Stinky
Screencap this
He wants to force an Azovstal style last stand without any of the veteran fanatics or resources Azov had. Draftees herded by commissars and the only way in and out under complete fire control ain’t gonna cut it
>reloading the cauldron
Good, good!
War is about destruction of the army
Ukraine had a bunch of shit stationed in Bakhmut because Bakhmut would allow Russians to split them up easier later on
After this its easy pickins
Hohols finna lose 50k troops, they are now the ones attacking defended poaitions and they are doing it from positions of weakness. This will end badly for hohols and thats a good thing.
>16 maneuver and 3 artillery brigades
This many people simply won't be able to fit in such a small front...
Only a dumbfuck westoid who has no ide how the real world works would actually believe that...
Idk how russia hasn't taken this piece of shit town yet
Ukies are jumping into a 24/7 meatgrinder, The "iron fortress" is more like a tomb. Why stop them from genociding themselves?
The Russian military was destroyed in Ukraine last year and the new troops that were drafted at the end of last year haven't finished their training yet. The only ones fighting anymore are Wagner's troops.
>The Russian military was destroyed in Ukraine
So why hohols can't advance?
>haven't finished their training yet
Combat coordination phase takes time. More than actual individual training actually.
> The only ones fighting anymore
That's just wrong. Russian chads are keep their steady daily advance in Lugansk front. Hohols keep their retreat there, despite holding their elite 95th and 25th airborne brigades there.
Also in Donetsk front advance is slow but steady, hohols keep losing their strong points.
if russian army was destroyed why did the offensive come to a screeching halt? because russian army was not destroyed because it was a strategic withdrawal to prepared positions you moron. russia since napolean war has always exchanged space (territory) for tactical reasons. ie: for time or to husband resources or both. territory is meaningless unless it has stragic value. shit hole towns like bakmut can be incredibly valuable. there are many examples take Bastogne in ww2 for example
I am convinced that this "war" is a fake-ass psyop. There is no way that Ukraine could keep fighting with the losses they have supposedly taken. Putin is ion on it, because in reality, Russia would steamroll Ukraine.
Ummmm...
>ukr throws more bodies into the meat grinder
wasn't the goal of this operation to bleed ukr?=
this is good news. feed the meat grinder. put eyes on that image and it looks like a giant gaping maw
>Ukraine is deploying 19 brigades (16 maneuver and 3 artillery brigades)
This is literally imaginary information by some literallywho twitter "expert" though.
The entire region is in mud, no one is doing large-scale maneuvers.
correct. i do wish it were true tho. the more meat for the grinder the better
No, Ukraines goat right now is to kill as many white Ukrainian men as they can before they end the war. Blood for their israelite blood god. Later they will join EU and NATO for some rebuilding including importing millions of naggers and Israelis into the Country to replace the heros who sacrificed their lives for their people.
A tale as old as time. Sad.
nagger
Don't worry a swedish Key top officer just explained to the goyim that in fact, that Ukraine is loosing the city means that they're winning.
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/overstelotjnant-ryssland-orkar-inte-fortsatta-efter-bachmut
How was that Vatnik? Now even the fact that you're doing 8:1 casualties is a sign that you're loosing, BTFO!
wait, chug told me bakhmut was already taken, what gives?