Uh oh trans sisters, how do we refute this?
Do you really believe trans men aren’t women?
Be completely honest
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Uh oh trans sisters, how do we refute this?
Uh oh trans sisters, how do we refute this?
Do you really believe trans men aren’t women?
Be completely honest
>Uh oh trans sisters, how do we refute this?
literally just by not being transphobic. that's it
genital preferences aren't transphobic. hating ftms is transphobic
simple
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You see ftms as women though, no one will ever see an ftm as anything other than a stupid hole.
>You see ftms as women though, no one will ever see an ftm as anything other than a stupid hole.
I see ftms as men if they pass as men just as I see mtfs as women if they pass as women. Simple as
MtFs won't date FtMs unless they already like women. They're not transphobic for it or anything but they know/think FtMs are woefully pathetic, short, and they're too cocksexual to settle for a subpar dude who can't compensate with a dick anyway.
That's not true
It is true, ftms are pathetic.
Androphilies will never be attracted to them because they are women. You have to be attracted to women to be into ftms
MtFs don't usually see FtMs as women they just want a 10/10 dude and FtMs are sub 5 and have no dicks and are usually a little unstable or autistic or whatever. The only ones who want that are those who bathe in trannyism and want pussy.
The painful truth
I'm a male emulating the social role of a female/woman. The standard social role of what is expected of a male is determined to be manly and males are therein standardly these males are referred to as men. The standard social role of what is expected of a female is determined to be womanly and therein standardly these females are referred to as men. In some societies, there are males who take on feminine-coded social roles and these are often considered a third gender of the sexual binary (which is really a bimodal spectrum). In fewer societies women sometimes take on male-coded social roles and are occasionally referred to as a third gender of the 'binary', or alternately in cases such as Hatshepsut of Egypt, occasionally being referred to with cross-sex pronouns due to having a manly and therein 'man's' role in society. Women are expected to have womanly traits and ultimately this is based in femininity and having female secondary sex characteristics. Men are expected to have manly traits and ultimately this is based in masculinity and having male secondary sex characteristics. If a male has secondary sex characteristics of a typical female, or a female has secondary sex characteristics of a typical male, then they will probably fill a social role opposite their biological sex. To define a man or a woman based in sex is logical but to define them solely based in genitals is subvertible.
>Casimir Pulaski, father of the American Cavalry
Was exhumed and found to have XX chromosomes. Does this mean America doesn't have a father, but rather a mother, of her cavalry? Of course not. Regardless of whether Pulaski was intersex or transgender, Pulaski was a biological female perceived to have male secondary sex characteristics and fulfilled male-manly social stereotypes/roles, and therein was for all intents and purposes a man regardless of any other consideration. Defining a male or a female is rather simple and easy.
Too many words
It's true for most
Only exception i have seen were insanely mentally ill trannies who were terrified of cis men but still were too lonely to live without men. But they leave in the end.
>It's true for most
I've seen mtfs simping for ftms and they werent terrified of cis men
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>most
Again, it is a generalization. The vast vast majority of MtFs, who don't already want theyfab pussy and aren't traumatize, would never want a FtM. Most people don't want FtMs, there is no thrill, at best you get straight men who want to fix you.
I prefer dating MtFs, they're sweet.
Why don’t you let the straight men fix you, they want what’s best for you.
Damn, who doompilled green?
Why are people saying this, been told I've "become" brainwormed a few times.
I've always felt this way, I just kind of ignore it and try to find those who are the exceptions. But it is known that MtFs are far less willing to date FtMs than FtMs are willing to date MtFs. Most people would like MtFs more than FtMs, if there wasn't a stigma I think a lot more people would be open about it.
Half the people who like mtfs only like them because they don't want to admit their own homosexuality and that's an easy way to get dick, or are porn addled terminally online robots who see mtfs as an easier, more disposable women
Very few people are actually just attracted to mtfs
I understand, I do not deny this. But I do not think people can even be attracted to FtMs through these copes, unless they're pre-T he/they women who are under 20 and have no intent of going on T.
But I think that people in general would be more willing to explore their sexuality and be attracted to MtFs while still respecting them.
There was a graph floating around a bit back, it had the data broken down by people who were willing to date trans men, trans women, neither, or both- and it broke that down by the sexuality of the answerers
The result was more people being open to dating ftms than mtfs. Obviously we can't really confirm it's not just people who say "only if they're not gonna take t and are young", but the rates being higher than mtf makes it likely that, at least, a similar level of willingness to date the two exists
Dating and attraction are different
More people are willing to date FtMs for sure, men want the forbidden pussy, women want to feel safe and secure. MtFs are seen as monsters.
The actual willingness to date a group depends on preconceived notions of the group. For example, it is entirely possible for anyone to feel attracted to someone of a certain race, but biases may bring someone to think that it's impossible, and they close of dating to certain races.
I think, going off of the concept of an mtf/ftm alone, people would be more openly attracted to an MtF than an FtM if it weren't for stigma.
Close off*
Phoneposter sorry
A lot of people are attracted to MTF's, all sorts of guys for all sorts of reasons. Like most would fuck a passing tranny with little to no hesitation.
But as a passing fancy, a fetish to indulge, or ease of access. Remember guys will fuck animals, inanimate objects, and guys in prison.
Dont ever think your not desirable as a fetish object.
How is that even an argument?
MTFs don’t believe in their own ideology, they see ftms as women despite not claiming to otherwise
you're talking out of your ass. most mtfs, especially the ones here, see a good number of trannies as invalid in some way or another. anyways the fact that some members of the group are invalid doesn't preclude the possibility of others being valid so your argument is retarded in the first place
I would date a trans man though, there was a detrans timeline posted somewhere here earlier and the guy was actually hot
also this
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That's bullshit. Straight Trans4Trans exists, where MTFs date FTMs. And genital preferences obviously aren't transphobic, not even this guy believes it
Those relationships are formed out of desperation and are the exception not the rule.
Don't think so, FTMs who want to date trannies are much harder to find than cis men who want to do the same.
Fucking what
FtMs are far more open to any kind of relationship, honestly it seems that bisexuality is their primary sexuality. Even the gayest of gaydens will fall for girls. It's very common for them to date other FtMs and they suck up to MtFs all the time
You’re simply wrong, most aidens are bisexual and will go for anyone
Hmm, that's not what I mean. IRL there are more cis men who are open to dating trannies simply because there are way more cis men than FTMs.
Okay that's fair, I thought you meant the rate and not the raw number.
Idk I think st4t is based, I just don’t know any trans guys in my area atm who meet the criteria I mentioned in
. I’ve gone out with trans guys before but we didn’t rly click, I’ve like had crushes on trans guys, I don’t think they’re some sort of “backup”. Tbf I also don’t know any trans ppl in general rly locally who meet that criteria besides a couple trans women, everyone else MtF and FtM alike seems to be a 1yr HRT babytrans
if he had a cock it would be alright I cut mine off least he can do is get one added
Phalloplasty is mutilation and never turns out alright looking
>hey everyone let me show off my poor understanding of this group of people, immediately revealing how little i actually know about them
my favorite genre of LULZ post
Little understanding huh?
Shut up liddle pooner, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
>female crossdressers look ridiculous
I don't think I've ever seen one that wasn't an FTM.
t4t mtf and ftm is pretty common theme on this board though. there's a few trans transphobes but i don't think it's the majority
This moron doesnt know about t4t and how common it is
T4T is the exception not the rule.
Trans men are just cheap knockoffs of real men. They’re only an imitation
an exception to the rule means your rule is flawed
There are always exceptions to the
Rule anon
Only in very poor rules, like found in social sciences
If scientists found a planet that creates no gravitational attraction, they wouldn't say "oh, every rule has an exception"
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tbf that's more or less what dark matter is, except the opposite where it's "ummmm actually our models aren't wrong there's just X amount of spooky matter that somehow does not react with radiation at all there, actually it makes up 80% of the universe except around our immediate vicinity where there's none of it for some reason lol"
Dark matter is literally just a stand in for matter they can't identify. It reacts fully well with some things- it's gravitational force for instance- but it doesn't behave like anything else
>It reacts fully well with some things- it's gravitational force for instance
that's literally the only thing, it's just a stand in for *force* they can't account for, there's zero proof that there's actually any matter there at all outside of our current understanding of gravity not working at higher levels
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Wait.... is this entire thread just chaser cope?
Anon if you want to fuck trannies you don't need to compete with pooners. Just go out there, no need to make threads on LULZ
I’m a passing preop trans woman. I’ll date a passing trans man regardless of genitals as long as we get along and I find him hot—and inb4 “no trans guys can ever meet those standards!”, they’re basically just be in shape, take care of physical well-being, be around my height or taller (I’m 5’6 so anywhere from like 5’5 up, which is basically all the trans guys I’ve met irl except for one).
Tl;dr: I take care of myself and have put in effort to pass and look decently attractive / presentable—expect a partner to do the same, regardless of trans or cis.
any trans guys want to prove him wrong
my mtf gf told me she left her ftm boyfriend for me, she kept telling me how she wanted to date someone taller than her and stronger, lul
i would never date an ftm because i dont like men
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I just want a trans gf
>imagine not wanting a ftm bf
Damn, LULZaks really have 0 taste
They can't handle the he/him pussy
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If you want to quote a post that was written on another board, you must put the /name of the board/ between the ">>>" and the post number, newfriend
i'm a transbian and a misandrist. transmen are men and equally as vile and evil
unironically 100% true. would never ever date an ftm i see them less as males than i see mtfs less as women. you go for a male for a penis, a good one. you go to women for a hole to fuck.
> you go for a male for a penis, a good one. you go to women for a hole to fuck.
The FtMs sure are missing out on this catch
usually a "woman" entails having a hairless face, good hair, being non-hairy on their body, not gross smelling, and not unkempt. is why there's a major difference between those two holes.
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>not wanting to date someone who can satisfy your AAP by proxy by molding him into your ideal husband
>not wanting to date someone who understands what it’s like being trans
>not wanting to date someone who’s been female socialized but has a male mindset so you won’t have to tolerate the female nonsense that comes with dating cis women, the psychotic and narcissistic bullshit that comes with dating other trans women, or the potential violence and misogyny of dating a cis man
>not wanting to date someone where you can fuck him in a fuck hole designed by nature and he can fuck you with a strap/his hands
I’m convinced at this point your average mtf isn’t actually attracted to men or as green pointed out, has absurdly high standards that most trans men can’t meet simply by virtue of being trans. Also too it seems most mtf’s these days are coping incels who aren’t actually trans.
>coping incels who aren't women
says the boymoder
>not wanting to date someone where you can fuck him in a fuck hole designed by nature and he can fuck you with a strap/his hands
You like women.
I’m bisexual, so yes. But my attraction is far more rooted in interpersonal chemistry than it is physical characteristics so for me biological sex or gender presentation is kind of an afterthought.
I mean I was able to successfully get girlfriends as a repbro and got plenty of attention from gay men/had plenty of DL gay fuck buddies. So me trooning out was me finally buckling to dysphoria rather than a dating strategy like it seems to be for most troons.
>i had sex so i am good i swear please believe me on LULZ i am a woman cause i had sex before i was a woman unlike you
sad
You’re just harping on this point because I touched a nerve.
>assuming I need pussy in order to be emotionally fulfilled
That’s just one facet I like about my current relationship, even if it was absent I would still be happy. Honestly it just sounds like you’re insecure because there are aspects of the “male experience” that you miss out on because you’re trans and feel the need to be all “REEEE TRANSBIAN!!” Get on t my lil nigglet and stop being insecure.
I am on T.
>Honestly it just sounds like you’re insecure because there are aspects of the “male experience” that you miss out on because you’re trans
No I just wish I could carve my ovaries out with a spoon and it makes me sad that everyone knows what I am and I'll never be satisfied with my genitalia and no one else will because they'll either leave for a real dick or pressure me into having sex like my chromosomes made me
>assuming I pressure my bf into PIV
Not how our dynamic works at all lol
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I was admitting I was insecure it wasn't about you, I'm sure your relationship is just fine even though I hate myself too much to accept it. You're disgusting.
>You’re just harping on this point because I touched a nerve.
yeah it's hurtful. some people are dysphoric and didn't want to have sex before transition.
>I’m bisexual, so yes.
As I said earlier, they only want you if you provide pussy or fill the empty void in their hearts.
liking pussy makes you a man
i love dick what does that make me
a man if youre amab
a woman if youre afab
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Seriously take a look at any of your cis male family members, friends or peers and ask yourself if you've ever observed them being unnecessarily judgemental by projecting their own insecurities, or even openly talking about insecurities at all. This board is largely full of male socialized but fembrained troons/repbros so they're hardly good examples
I'm not even saying this to be rude, it's genuine advice. You're a kid so you still have time to reap male socialization.
I dunno bro, log off occasionally and look at people around you
>Openly talking about your insecurities on LULZ is comparable to how I act in real life
You are my least favorite trip
My dad also talks about it sometimes, he's also my only family member.
>You are my least favorite trip
Whatever brah
Is your Dad also a hyper judgemental prick? If so then I see where you get it from, but no one likes being around judgemental dickheads and it's going to cost you friends in the future (if it hasn't already)
And I relate. My mom has NPD. She's a toxic, jealous, judgemental, absolute piece of shit and despite the fact that she hated me, unfortunately as her child some of her shitty personality traits rubbed off on me. Over the past three decades I've had to work hard to recognize and reverse my assholish traits and even if you may not like me now, believe me, at your age I was miles worse.
>inb4 some typical teenage "I hate you so I won't listen" response
I might be a retarded shitposter on LULZ but I am over a decade older thus wiser than you. Been there, dealt with it, solved it. Hopefully you remember this post next time someone turns their back on you and you can't figure out why
He's not, he doesn't care. But he has told me he hates himself a plethora of times. I don't judge others and I never voice it outside of LULZ, I've been around typical trannies recently and I don't judge them. You assume too much.
Your advice sucks, you're a generally shitty person to be around.p
Almost all trannies want bio-men or bio-women, and to say otherwise is cope and seething.
not me i don't mind transwomen i think most transbians don't mind transwomen
Duh, trannies are more willing to date trans people, but when it comes to sex bio-natural is majority desire. He is right most trans are hypocritical.
Most mtf’s are absolutely batshit insane and are often cluster B. Avoid at all costs.
Wasn't Contrapoints all in on T4T a while back and then later said something about how oh well actually I'm more open to cis people now? Translation: "I now see a path to attain what I think is the Holy Grail by dating a cis person. Later you trans losers." Honestly her internalized transphobia rivals the best of them lmao
stop pocket watching
Don't you have a video to release in 70 years that will be 70 years long? Run along Natalie.
Don't know about Hontra but it's clear that trans will betray all ideological beliefs for a smidge of validation.
Tbf this is true of gay people too. Good chunk of them immediately joined their former bullies once they stopped being the punching bag. It's human nature.
Yes, good point.
I recognize most people on this board are MtFs, so I'm gonna try to be nice and simple. FtMs have it better in just about every way: they pass easier, they receive less than a quarter of the hate directed at trans women, they blend into society better and yes, that includes dating and sex. Don't get me wrong, I don't think people necessarily respect FtMs any more than MtFs... they're just seen as not disruptive and thus aren't a big part of the trans conversation. I feel like this topic is just MtF cope because they want just ONE thing on "their side" that's better... but that would be bottom surgeries if you wanted to be accurate. All the passing FtMs have a fairly easy time, assuming their standards aren't ridiculous (i.e., obsessing over making sure the gay guy dating you is """truly""" gay or not, or expecting to pull just a random cis girl who doesn't know anything about trans stuff at all). If you agree that trans men are generally more tolerated/accepted in society, it should easily follow that they'll do better in dating and sex... your status in society has a massive impact in how many people will think you're dating/sex material.
well if i say "ftms are men" are you gonna call it performative?
By giving me a state mandated trans bf