Intersex studies show that gender identity is not innate and that a lot of people would be able to adapt just fine mentally living as a sex they were not born as.
HRT changes your brain
This is pretty convincing.
What are my chances to feel dysphoric on HRT?
I hate the sight of my shaved arms but mostly because I know a man isn't supposed to have shaved arms etc.
I'm afraid it'll apply to breasts.
You probably wont, esp since the idea is appealing to you. Lots of cis men take estrogen for cancer treatment. Most of them are ok with what it does. Like they don't get reverse dysphoria after a year of high dose treatment.
Like for you I wouldn't worry about it tbh.
I hope so. I fear I'll hate it. But I still want to try because I am jealous of AGP trannies to the point of sheer hatred.
You'll like it. Your going to be a pretty, demure, and soft spoken... I kind of feel like it'll be in your nature to enjoy what it brings you.
Sounds nice. I am already very shy and quite "demure" unless I am with good friends.
Through I am not pretty obviously.
That said I am AGP and after I coom, I don't really want to be a woman anymore.
I hope HRT can fix that.
You have transvestitic fetishism
Female clothes do absolutely nothing to me.
It's not just about clothes, I don't get the name
You just mean AGP then?
Which I literally said i was in my post?
Either way you should go to the doctor or commit suicide
No, I will take HRT and force everyone at work to call me female, and there is nothing you can do about it, nagger.
It will never make you a woman
I know, and I don't care, I can change myself phenotypically to something I prefer, and that's what matters.
Your male bone structure such as jaw, brow ridge, eyes, and hips, male skin structure, male connective tissue arrangement, male hairline, male ring finger and index finger, male navel, male body fat distribution, male saliva, male sweat, male urine, male pheromones, and male somatic body cells say no
What's even your point?
I said I could get closer to the phenotype I want.
The closest you will get is a noose thoughie
Socially isolated single white males are the highest risk of completion of suicide thoughever, a true chud W
Mtf trannies and incels are almost always socially isolated single white males thoughbeit
>male ring finger and index finger
lmao literal pseudoscience, these aren't real
Yes. HRT does nothing and doesn't feel good or make us more feminine. We just keep being hairy sweaty smelly bald men. You figured out the secret. Guess i have to throw out my estrogen now.
throw out your entire self while your at it
>Verification not required.
Okay adolf. Now tell me about the israelites, I know you want to.
Wait it gets even better!
Askhenazi israelites have good genes. We should use them for breeding.
Don't they have a population bottleneck issue?
They need to racemix more of course which they are currently doing.
no, they wouldn't be "just fine"
also I think the rate of intersex ppl is statistically less than trans ppl
Not if you include kleinfelder syndrome which is xxy and is more common than trans, even today.
Trans are a media sensation because it's considered a willful act or intersex or just born that way
that's also comparatively rare compared to most transppl
Intersexed people also have intersexed brains depending in the condition, and because of that are a little more malleable.
But in study with normal boys, raised as girls most of them desired to go back to being boys, spontaneously figured out they were boys, and all of them were attracted to woman.
Like two out of 17 stuck to being girls at the time of follow up. I agree a lot of men could adjust, but a lot wouldn't. Most would still be hetero too.
Where are you getting the 2 of 17 figure from?
I wish I had it on hand, but it was a follow up study in males born with a congenital disorder, bowels on the outside, forgot the name... But no penises basically. They were reassigned as girls, and a certain researcher wanted to find out how they turned out.
Same dude who followed up with David Reimer I believe.
Ill try to find it in a sec Vinni.
There is one study who had a sample size of 17 but it only had data regarding gender dysphoria for 3 and none of them had it.
I think the most likely explanation is that the strength of innate gender varies between people, that's how you get the trans kids who kill themselves when they can't transition and the boomerhons who didn't question anything until their 50s. You see this in cis people too, with some being disgusted by the very idea of transitioning and some thinking they're trans themselves for a time before desisting. So agender people would be some percentage of the population and genuinely could go either way, they just happened to have the physical form of one or the other. The cis people who say they'd be totally happy being the other sex without feeling any need to transition and the trans people who transitioned for the dumbest reasons and still ended up happy with it. If this is true it'd make sense more intersex people would be closer to the middle like said since they're already closer to the middle physically.
None of this matters.
MtF is a lifestyle choice based on male autism and an attraction to AGP fetish. Of course you don't know you're trans when you're 3 if you're AGP.
weird, I knew I wanted to be a girl at age 3
course I'm with a guy so I don't think Blanchard would call me AGP
A small percentage of trans identifying people are trans. But it's like with intersex disorder, everyone who is trans wants to claim it, because they're fucking retards that think lying to the world is a fail proof idea, and they won't get exposed.
Didn't read this, but agree
My cisgay bf was extremely GNC as a kid and he even identified as a girl. He unironically was thinking he is a girl, acted very feminine and didn't want to age as a male. But then puberty hitted him, he developed his gay sexuality as well as full blown aap - he jerked off to him self for years. Now he is very happy with his body and still enjoys looking at himself in the mirror.
And it's so ironic that me, as manmoder, didn't have such thouths at all at childhood. Only at teenage years I realized I am dysphoric and never ever considered myself a woman - only a mentally ill freak who wants to become a woman.
>some post by a creepy incel is good science
They literally had penises so small that the parents would rather raise them as girls. Why would you assume they have the same neurology of normal boys? Their bodies didn't masculinize properly and they probably have female brains.
We can assume that they did not have normal male neurology but when raised as male they identified as such illustrating the environmental component to gender identity.
There are studies on children who lost their penis due to accident and many of them still ended up identifying as a female.
There's an environmental component to everything, how does that prove gender identity isn't innate?
Ok John Money
They're satisfied because every male wants to be a girl. Those who "don't" are coping. All my friends at some point confessed they'd rather be born girls.
Does this account for trans people who an androgynous brain structure before HRT?
this it should be called sex dysphoria
Does that mean there is no way I can turn myself trans.
The screenshot I posted is from a renowned dutch neurologist, the sauce in the Op is some made up incel science. No go figure!
How can I change my brain structure to become trans?
You don't. The structures of the brain that define your gender identity do not respond to hrt. Gender identity is fixed prenatally. That's also the reason qhy cais-intersex people always happily live as women because their brains weren't masculinized.
How do I tell whether I have such brain structure?
Aren't there CAIS trans men ?
no, the phenotype is the opposite of this although the chromosomes have 'male' configuration:
No I know, what I mean is that there are people with CAIS that identify as men, have dysphoria and want to transition even if HRT doesn't work for them
What's written in the abstract is wrong given that intersex studies show post-natal environment to be 40%
I trust neurobiologist researchers with h-index of 97 more than some made up shit from some incel website.
HRT cannot induce intersex conditions.
HRT cannot change DNA and chromosomes.
Transwomen are still Biological males
Hormones regulate gene expression, you fucking retard.
That's how a XX person looks when growing up on male levels of testosterone. Just because "she" had too much testosterone. No chromosomal abnormalities, just one faulty enzyme that caused accumulation of androgens.
hey retard, why couldn’t David Reimer just live as a woman, then?
kys this is literally what grooming is you freak
David Reimer was sexually abused by John Money and was too masculine in terms of behaviour and features to be a good candidate for it.
His brother killed himself first though.
“was too masculine”
homosexual he literally got transitioned as an infant
He developed masculine features and had a masculine personality. Didn't fit in socially with females.
He also didn't develop like the typical female physically. Didn't have a proper vagina, etc.
He transitioned as an infant
Your whole claim is thag ANYONE can transition and be happy and fine and adjust
i’ll say it again: kill yourself, groomer
No the transmaxxing manifesto doesn't say that anyone can transition and by happy.
See "the importance of passing".
Wait, so to troon one has to get along with females in your typology?
Early social transition kinda depends on that, it's less of a factor later in life.
The studies only show that 60% of male intersex people have innate male identity while 40% are moldable by the environment. And even that 40% is questionable because they have masculine interests as children and seem to be at risk of pooning out themselves someday.
You can’t really draw many conclusions beyond that from these data points. It is interesting though and worth discussing, I do think children should be largely raised cishet until age 8 before being introduced to serious discussion about sex/gender beyond “sometimes two boys love each other” or “sometimes a boy wants to be a girl and its ok to want that”
this is a result of insufficient male hormones. Incomplete brain masculinization is also a result of insufficient female hormones. It's likely that these people might have transitioned to women anyway even if they weren't assigned female while young
None of the ones who were raised as male later transitioned into womanhood.