Wilson couldn't even get 1 yard in his prime in the most important game of his life. what makes you think he could get 5 in a meaningless week 1 game when he's 5 years over the hill
the tradeoff was only a slightly shorter field goal. I suspect it was slightly better to have kept the offense in the field, but you've laid out an incomplete equation. It's not a 64 yarder vs. a 5 yard conversion. It's 64 yarder vs. 5 yard converstion AND a ~55 yarder
I don't get what he is cooking. Is he the wrestler rock guy? A part time chef? Is he going to cook a gourmet meal for the refs so they allow him to pass the 1st down marker?
a 50 yard kick is much easier than a 60 yard kick. Kickers consistently hit 50 yet nobody does it for 60
I don't think you understand how the math on something like a field goal works- a 60 yard field goal is hard but doable for most good kickers in the league, only twice has a 64+ yard kick been made in history.
you guys are speaking like you actally know the stats (and you almost certainly don't)
are you moronic? Your own image confirms that 60 is much more difficult and unlikely
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clearly i'm not the dumb one here. clearly it's harder, but you have to multiply it by the likelihood of converting.
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the likelihood of converting with a mobile qb known for pulling shit like this out of his ass vs asking a kicker to do something he's never done before and is arguably more difficult in a hostile environment? You ride with your franchise qb every time especially when you have 2 timeouts afterwards
>makes a statement about how hard something is to do >is presented with actually data of which you were previously just guessing >da sample size is too small! >doesn't realize that this implicitly also shits on his own argument >thinks that only the exact distance is helpful data
if you dont understand what you could do with 3 timeouts and 50 seconds im surprised you can put together a sentence
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THEY HAD 3 TIMEOUTS AND 50 SECONDS
they should've called timeout well before 20 seconds. Totally agree. I'm talking about the decision tree once the time ran off
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so you cant put together a sentence, got it
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>7
Mahomes would've been allowed to play on that 4th&5 and he would've converted.
Russ is paid more than Mahomes to not be trusted to get 5 yards when the game is on the line.
mcmanus attempting a 64 yard field goal at Lumen Field which is 16 feet above sea level is moronic and attempting to defend that decision in any capacity is stupid. his longest was 61 yards. They had plenty of time to make a play. multiple plays in fact. it was just bad coaching and time management all around.
Fricking THIS. Hackett forgot he can throw TO's now. Fixing all the delay of games and letting his guys get their heads straight since this was a really emotional game.
I don't think you understand how the math on something like a field goal works- a 60 yard field goal is hard but doable for most good kickers in the league, only twice has a 64+ yard kick been made in history.
I'm not feeling too good about this season broncobros...Hackett is looking like a meme hire and just what fricking c**t calls all three timeouts when the game is already over like that?
I haven't watched football in years so I'm out of touch but this Hackett is a first-year head coach, yeah? If Wilson is a dud acquisition, Hackett is gonna be KIA as well, yeah? So why not let Wilson have the ball and hope he gives both of you another year of employment? I don't see where Hackett's interests are served by trying a FG that his kicker missed twice.
McManus was salty at gaygio for not letting him try a 65 yarder years ago. Hackett probably was trying to give him a Hollywood moment, being the rookie coach he is who thinks miracle moments just happen.
>run the ball at the 1 >fumbles not once but twice
He really can't win, can he? Broncos tossed away at least 6 points there granted Seattle did the same.
with that little time left the seahawks were probably content to give up the five yards and let the broncos attempt at 58ish yarder, which is still a tough kick in a tough atmosphere.
what defenses really don't want to give up on that 4th and 5 is some big chunk play that gets enabled because they were playing too tight.
They wouldn't have had to kick it right away if they'd converted. They'd have had 30-something seconds left plus timeouts which means they could run at least one or two more plays comfortably and got even closer. But you're right that they underutilized the threat of going upfield. Seattle needed to try and stop them from converting but giving up a big gain that turned the fg into a chip shot or just a touchdown would be way worse than letting them convert the first.
If Denver had come out with like a five-wide formation and sent multiple guys deep Seattle would have had to go with extra defensive backs and had them moving away from the line of scrimmage rather than towards it. Then you just have one guy crossing over the middle or the Russ just roll out and run up the sideline for the five yards. And if they don't commit to stopping the deep pass? Frick it, take the shot. You have timeouts. You can use the whole field. The defense needs to cover 50 yards deep and you only need 5. The more I think about it the less sense it makes.
The only thing anybody needs to know about why he made this decision is that he worked under Doug Marrone (aka The Prince of Punts) at Syracuse and the Bills. He is predisposed to take the conservative route.
>conservative route
gaining 5 yards with time outs is the more conservative route than kicking a 64 yard field goal. Statistically he took the risky route
>Makes Andy Reid's clock management look elite in your path
Can't wait to see them face eachother
>Broncos and Chiefs play twice this year
Oh boy this is going to be must-see TV. Two morons trying to out-moron each other is always good viewing.
Not defending the choice to kick, but if you're planning to kick it's the right call to run the clock down
This. It just seems weird because no one would kick in that situation.
Good to know to never bet on the broncos this year. What a ridiculous play
Wilson couldn't even get 1 yard in his prime in the most important game of his life. what makes you think he could get 5 in a meaningless week 1 game when he's 5 years over the hill
anything short of "it was a mistake, I fricked up" at his presser will be bullshit. no excuse
the tradeoff was only a slightly shorter field goal. I suspect it was slightly better to have kept the offense in the field, but you've laid out an incomplete equation. It's not a 64 yarder vs. a 5 yard conversion. It's 64 yarder vs. 5 yard converstion AND a ~55 yarder
why go out and get russ if you aren't going to let him cook?
should've let him cook earlier. the real crime was atrocious clock management prior to the final minute.
why couldn't he have cooked on first, second, or third down?
I don't get what he is cooking. Is he the wrestler rock guy? A part time chef? Is he going to cook a gourmet meal for the refs so they allow him to pass the 1st down marker?
They could’ve gotten 3-4 more plays in if they had taken a time out and got the 1st.
or 1. depends what happened.
you guys are speaking like you actally know the stats (and you almost certainly don't)
great argument
all terrible replies
Justin Tucker hit a 66 yard field goal, this is out of date
yes it's from 2009 to 2019. a couple new examples shouldn't impact the overall conclusion too much.
In a dome.
True, I think the longest two field goals are in a dome and in Denver.
are you moronic? Your own image confirms that 60 is much more difficult and unlikely
clearly i'm not the dumb one here. clearly it's harder, but you have to multiply it by the likelihood of converting.
the likelihood of converting with a mobile qb known for pulling shit like this out of his ass vs asking a kicker to do something he's never done before and is arguably more difficult in a hostile environment? You ride with your franchise qb every time especially when you have 2 timeouts afterwards
Lol great sample size bud. Moron
>makes a statement about how hard something is to do
>is presented with actually data of which you were previously just guessing
>da sample size is too small!
>doesn't realize that this implicitly also shits on his own argument
>thinks that only the exact distance is helpful data
horrible effort
why would i argue with a moron, moron?
let's not pretend you could anyway
if you dont understand what you could do with 3 timeouts and 50 seconds im surprised you can put together a sentence
they should've called timeout well before 20 seconds. Totally agree. I'm talking about the decision tree once the time ran off
so you cant put together a sentence, got it
>7
Mahomes would've been allowed to play on that 4th&5 and he would've converted.
Russ is paid more than Mahomes to not be trusted to get 5 yards when the game is on the line.
>t. uneducated fan
mcmanus attempting a 64 yard field goal at Lumen Field which is 16 feet above sea level is moronic and attempting to defend that decision in any capacity is stupid. his longest was 61 yards. They had plenty of time to make a play. multiple plays in fact. it was just bad coaching and time management all around.
Fricking THIS. Hackett forgot he can throw TO's now. Fixing all the delay of games and letting his guys get their heads straight since this was a really emotional game.
a 50 yard kick is much easier than a 60 yard kick. Kickers consistently hit 50 yet nobody does it for 60
moron.
I don't think you understand how the math on something like a field goal works- a 60 yard field goal is hard but doable for most good kickers in the league, only twice has a 64+ yard kick been made in history.
more information for you tards
>Go for it on your own 10 yard line bro.
Was this written by a teenager?
THEY HAD 3 TIMEOUTS AND 50 SECONDS
what if they pulled a play out of their playbook that actually makes even more yards, but still has a higher chance than a 64 yard field goal.
russ is THAT cooked
>Russell sucked ass all game
>give him the ball!!
You can tell Hackett simply isn’t on board with any goofy meme “let Russ cook” shit.
Wilson was moving the ball. It was the red zone where they were having problems.
McManus wanted it too and he could definitely make it but I don't think he was mentally prepared for that today.
Let him cook #letsride
Mcmanus hit the first one before yge timeout cancled it. Truth is Hackett was a moron for going 4th and goal, should have been a 19-17 game
I'm not feeling too good about this season broncobros...Hackett is looking like a meme hire and just what fricking c**t calls all three timeouts when the game is already over like that?
that was a meme move b
Breaking down the math the decision wasn't egregiously bad, but still the wrong one
What's worse is this gay having beta energy. That is the face of a cuck. Fat, soft, low T. Then spergs out with timeouts at the end. Embarrassing
well if it was a 60 yarder i'd say they should go for it, but 63 yards is really doable these days with modern technology !
I haven't watched football in years so I'm out of touch but this Hackett is a first-year head coach, yeah? If Wilson is a dud acquisition, Hackett is gonna be KIA as well, yeah? So why not let Wilson have the ball and hope he gives both of you another year of employment? I don't see where Hackett's interests are served by trying a FG that his kicker missed twice.
They never should have been in that situation, where there was no good option. Atrocious clock management up to that point
What are the odds of converting a 4th-&-5?
bout tree fiddy
>heavy breathing
he looked like he was about to cry
McManus was salty at gaygio for not letting him try a 65 yarder years ago. Hackett probably was trying to give him a Hollywood moment, being the rookie coach he is who thinks miracle moments just happen.
kwab
>run the ball at the 1
>fumbles not once but twice
He really can't win, can he? Broncos tossed away at least 6 points there granted Seattle did the same.
with that little time left the seahawks were probably content to give up the five yards and let the broncos attempt at 58ish yarder, which is still a tough kick in a tough atmosphere.
what defenses really don't want to give up on that 4th and 5 is some big chunk play that gets enabled because they were playing too tight.
They wouldn't have had to kick it right away if they'd converted. They'd have had 30-something seconds left plus timeouts which means they could run at least one or two more plays comfortably and got even closer. But you're right that they underutilized the threat of going upfield. Seattle needed to try and stop them from converting but giving up a big gain that turned the fg into a chip shot or just a touchdown would be way worse than letting them convert the first.
If Denver had come out with like a five-wide formation and sent multiple guys deep Seattle would have had to go with extra defensive backs and had them moving away from the line of scrimmage rather than towards it. Then you just have one guy crossing over the middle or the Russ just roll out and run up the sideline for the five yards. And if they don't commit to stopping the deep pass? Frick it, take the shot. You have timeouts. You can use the whole field. The defense needs to cover 50 yards deep and you only need 5. The more I think about it the less sense it makes.
It would be a memorably awful decision even with Zach Wilson at quarterback, doing it with Russell Wilson puts it into game of throws territory
The only thing anybody needs to know about why he made this decision is that he worked under Doug Marrone (aka The Prince of Punts) at Syracuse and the Bills. He is predisposed to take the conservative route.
>conservative route
gaining 5 yards with time outs is the more conservative route than kicking a 64 yard field goal. Statistically he took the risky route
i'm just glad Buncos lost. and that they lost in this embarrassing fashion is even sweeter. wilson is a fake
Are we absolutely sure Hackett wasn't getting paid by Vegas to throw the game?