They have been Identified with the Arzawa that in turn seem to have been an offshoot of the Luwians/Luvians, an idoeuropean people living in south-central anatolia
Yes. >Once upon a time labarna, my ancestor, had conquered the whole country of Arzawa and the whole country of Wiluša. Therefore the country of Arzawa later waged war; >since this happened a long time ago, I don’t know any king of the land of Hattuša, from whom the country of Wiluša had separated.
The Anatolian languages (e.g., Hittite) were Indo-European. The native population of Asia Minor (Hattians) were non-Indo-European and were conquered by Anatolian or Proto-Anatolian speaking warriors with steppe ancestry.
Meanwhile in reality all haplogroups the steppoids had were R1 variations lmao. So basically stronk menanoid womyn dominated european EHG men and kickstarted aryans kek
Troy is in North West Anatolia and Luwians were all over Anatolia, especially in the South East where they founded the Hittite successor states during the early iron age
>The strong criticism of Schliemann’s initial brute force has made legislators and excavators in Turkey and Greece overly cautious. Because excavations potentially destroy cultural heritage, today archaeologists are increasingly regarded as conservators rather than researchers. >They are allowed to dig down to the first preserved architectural floor plans and expose these, but removing them is often not permitted. The underlying layers thus lie hidden forever. Precisely for this reason, the Luwian culture remains undiscovered to this day. >In the case of a 20-meter high settlement mound, like the one in Kadıkalesi on the Aegean coast of Turkey, archaeologists know little more than the top buildings dating to the Byzantine period. Layers recording thousands of years of settlement history remain invisible below, despite ongoing excavations. In order to explore those earlier deposits, one would have to remove some of the walls above.
If Armenians and supposedly Phrygians came from Thrace then why the hell are both peoples and kingdoms located in Central/Eastern Turkey instead of the Western part of Turkey?
It tells us we have EEF populations emulating Steppe culture during the relevant timeframe (4000BC). In other words, there's no need for a proto-Anatolian to spread with significant Steppe geneflow.
Greeks had cities in anatolia
no one in asia minor called themselves "anatolian", and none of them had any cultural solidarity, whereas the greeks did
They have been Identified with the Arzawa that in turn seem to have been an offshoot of the Luwians/Luvians, an idoeuropean people living in south-central anatolia
isnt troy way higher than where teh arzawa are on that map?
Yes.
>Once upon a time labarna, my ancestor, had conquered the whole country of Arzawa and the whole country of Wiluša. Therefore the country of Arzawa later waged war;
>since this happened a long time ago, I don’t know any king of the land of Hattuša, from whom the country of Wiluša had separated.
Wilusa is the city, they were still an arzawa people
>indoeuropean
Indoeuropeans come from the caucasian migrants that went up north. Anatolians are a different group.
The Anatolian languages (e.g., Hittite) were Indo-European. The native population of Asia Minor (Hattians) were non-Indo-European and were conquered by Anatolian or Proto-Anatolian speaking warriors with steppe ancestry.
Meanwhile in reality all haplogroups the steppoids had were R1 variations lmao. So basically stronk menanoid womyn dominated european EHG men and kickstarted aryans kek
cringe
Troy is in North West Anatolia and Luwians were all over Anatolia, especially in the South East where they founded the Hittite successor states during the early iron age
>The strong criticism of Schliemann’s initial brute force has made legislators and excavators in Turkey and Greece overly cautious. Because excavations potentially destroy cultural heritage, today archaeologists are increasingly regarded as conservators rather than researchers.
>They are allowed to dig down to the first preserved architectural floor plans and expose these, but removing them is often not permitted. The underlying layers thus lie hidden forever. Precisely for this reason, the Luwian culture remains undiscovered to this day.
>In the case of a 20-meter high settlement mound, like the one in Kadıkalesi on the Aegean coast of Turkey, archaeologists know little more than the top buildings dating to the Byzantine period. Layers recording thousands of years of settlement history remain invisible below, despite ongoing excavations. In order to explore those earlier deposits, one would have to remove some of the walls above.
What do you think the war was for OP? They were conquered and hellenized in this order
They were Romans
If Armenians and supposedly Phrygians came from Thrace then why the hell are both peoples and kingdoms located in Central/Eastern Turkey instead of the Western part of Turkey?
There's no way Armenians came through the Balkans. There was a big migration of steppe people through Caucasus in the Bronze Age.
There's no way they weren't proto-Armenians.
> There was a big migration of steppe people through Caucasus in the Bronze Age.
Yes... the Anatolians.
No, these guys are from middle/late bronze age.
Anatolians
We also have this
This literally tells us nothing except Herodotus was right when he said that populations had migrated from the Balkans to the Caucasus.
It tells us we have EEF populations emulating Steppe culture during the relevant timeframe (4000BC). In other words, there's no need for a proto-Anatolian to spread with significant Steppe geneflow.
Anatolians are from 3000 BC or so. 4000 BC is too old. Troy I is from 3000 BC.
You're talking about the Schliemann site. There's no evidence that this particular site is Troy whatsoever.
Anatolians separate from core PIE by 4000BC.
Finns. Troiya is literally in Finland. There is no evidence of a place named "Troy" or "Ilium" or "Ilion" anywhere in Turkey.
Hellenes didn't exist then. Greeks orangized themselves by tribe then. It's like asking if suebi and thurungi saw themselves as Prussians and Saxons.
They existed, they were Achaen and according to Hittite sources they were united under one king at least for some time
>by tribe
After the bronze age collapse, yes. But greeks were already a thing by the mycenian period.
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