>trans women and men. >MTFs and FTMs. >trans women are women and trans men are men


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>trans women and men
>MTFs and FTMs
>trans women are women and trans men are men
Can we stop doing this?
By saying trans women first and trans men second, you are revealing a sort of subconscious belief that trans women are men and trans men are women. You are treating them that way.
>but the idea that women come second and men come first is patriarchal!
So?
We live in a "patriarchal" society.
So, it isn't the transgender person's fault for interpreting this as you implying that trans men are the secondary gender = women and trans women the primary = men.
It is your fault for saying something that could be hurtful given the context thoughever.

  1. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    have sex

  2. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    holy cope, imagine being this retarded and fragile

  3. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT

  4. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    >ladies first
    >ladies and gentlemen
    >save the women and children
    wtf are you talking about women come second?

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      >ladies first
      Not what I'm talking about.
      >ladies and gentlemen
      Naming convention based on syllables. Every other list of genders is men first and women second.
      >women and children
      Children is not a gender. We're talking about genders.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahAHHahahahaHAHAJAHAHA

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly women and children is fairly accurate to how most liberals see trans women and trans men.

  5. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    holy fuck so many psyops about ftms today we cannot catch a break

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      he's right though
      it is a little sus when people always write trans women and men

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        Not to me. I see them flipped pretty often, and I mean, one *has* to go last either way. It's not a big deal.
        t. Ftm

  6. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    2nd from the top on the right is me

  7. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    It’s the transgender person’s fault for taking offense to a factual statement

    Saying trans woman is no different than saying black woman or blind woman. If you take offense to being called what you are you need to work on your internalized transphobia.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      You're confused on my point entirely.
      Saying "trans women and men" is implying that trans women are men and trans men are women.
      You should say "trans men and women" as to not accidentally imply that trans men aren't men etc.

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous

        Oh ok you’re trolling. Rog.

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      >internalized transphobia.

      This is what I have extremely bad case of I don't know what test you're using but I'm sure I have much of a phobia about being discovered as trans and wanting to be cis

  8. 2 days ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      It's not bait. Please stop acting and speaking like trans men are the secondary gender (=women) and trans women are the primary gender (=men)

      • 2 days ago
        Anonymous
        • 2 days ago
          Anonymous

          he's not wrong though

          • 2 days ago
            Anonymous

            Ok, fine. How so?

            • 2 days ago
              Anonymous

              people always say men and women, boys and girls, dudes and dudettes, guys and gals, etc. so when you say mtfs and ftms it is a little hurtful because it sounds like you subconsciously mean mtfs = men etc

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                I suppose I could see that, but it's not quite like you're making it out to be. I honestly hear "girls and boys" just as much as "boys and girls", and as someone mentioned earlier "ladies and gentlemen" is also pretty common. I also hear a lot of people mention ftms first. I simply don't think that there's anything else behind it, even if it would be subconscious. Like I said earlier, one has to go first and one has to go last. It just doesn't seem like this holds a lot of weight to me.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                yeah and if you put ftms first then it's "le patriarchy" and "transmisogyny"
                see how it can be twisted either way?

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                See the OP
                >So?
                >We live in a "patriarchal" society.
                >So, it isn't the transgender person's fault for interpreting this as you implying that trans men are the secondary gender = women and trans women the primary = men.
                >It is your fault for saying something that could be hurtful given the context thoughever.

              • 2 days ago
                Anonymous

                had to read this over several times to get what they meant
                don't see the point in refuting your own proposed argument in the OP, at that point why even make a thread

  9. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Ngl you gotta point

  10. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    Why are they all goving me the 'fuck me eyes'

  11. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    idrlabs(.)com/internalized-transphobia/test.php
    post results and letters

    >t. mtf

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      t. ftm bi

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      t. gayden

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      ftm, pre hrt

  12. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    we need to abolish whole idea of male and female. It's outdated queerphobic pseudo-science

    • 2 days ago
      Anonymous

      Great bait, but I’m not hungry rn

  13. 2 days ago
    Anonymous

    >"GLBT" vs. "LGBT" autism all over again

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