Hey /tttt/!
We're conducting some research with a trans friend on what living standards for trans people are like in different countries, since both of us are considering emigrating from ours. While we started looking into stuff we realized some perspective from people who actually live in those places could be really useful since it's hard to get a grasp on what things are actually like living there just based on polls etc. Therefore, it would be really helpful if you could fill out this survey:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeBawIurvV7dIiQBOTzDimSxMxJeOyvK5LSYItL0E_UeB_RDQ/viewform?usp=sharing
While this started out as a more personal project we're considering compiling the info into some widely accessible resource so trans people can more easily access info on what different places are like.
Thanks for your collaboration!
Sorry someone else got here first, I've given out enough data for one day
Please we really need the info 🙁
I set it up so it wouldn't gather email addresses! I think that's just Google giving you the option to save your progress on the survey
It has my email address, im not filling this in
Filled it out, all you need to know is that Oregon is not a safe space for any of us. Despite our reputation we are very much a purple state and conservatism runs pretty deep even in people that seem like they'd be friendly on the surface. It's been excruciating trying to be seen as anything other than a token freak by any cis person that knew I was trans, and horrifying to hear what the average thinks of us now that plenty don't know and think I'm cis like them.
I just read your response. I'm really sorry to hear all of that; I really hope you can eventually either move elsewhere or at least find better people to be around. That kind of treatment is horrifying; although sadly it's not that different where I live either (even if fortunately I haven't been on the receiving end of any mistreatment due to boymoding for now)
>I really hope you can eventually either move elsewhere or at least find better people to be around.
I'm trying my best to save up and learn remote work skills so I can expat to another country. I can see the writing on the wall for the US and this state as another conservative president is inevitable, and likely one far more competent than Trump was. I've pretty much given up on finding any real friends here, both because of mistreatment and because I don't want to risk tying myself down to a country that generally wants me dead.
>mistreatment due to boymoding for now
Yeah, I didn't expand on those parts too much because it was mostly homophobia, but for a place that markets itself as super gay friendly, my time being assumed to be a gay male was just as bad as being a visible tranny.
I guess if we want to talk positives, I do hear good things about the social environment in South America and some EU states like Spain, which are where I plan to run off to when things get to heated here. If your survey is for looking into places to run to, maybe look into there too.
>I'm trying my best to save up and learn remote work skills so I can expat to another country. I can see the writing on the wall for the US and this state as another conservative president is inevitable
I really hope you can do so then. Things in the US are looking really scary right now. I hope nothing comes off it but it's better to take precautions
>I've pretty much given up on finding any real friends here
Hopefully you'll find some decent people wherever you move to then
>I do hear good things about the social environment in South America and some EU states like Spain
I've heard about that and I follow some Spanish YouTubers who say Madrid and Barcelona for example are pretty LGBT friendly. On South America, I don't know about Uruguay and Chile but I myself am argentinian and things aren't really great here. We at least don't have the genocidal anti trans hysteria the US and UK have but unless you're in really progressive spaces people are just politically correct about trans people but hold really shitty views behind our backs (and that's in the more progressive places; the more conservative religious ones are really, really bad). At least I never faced any discrimination in medical settings which is appreciated. My reasons for emigrating are more economic since this country's fucked lol
Portland metro area, or?
Coasts and Salem metro, and I lived in Eugene for a short while. Eugene felt like the closest to accepting of LGBT as it got, but that may also have been that I didn't live there long enough to get to know anyone and was still on the surface level. I've never lived in or around Portland, but from what I've heard from other trans people there, it's not much better.
>I don't know about Uruguay and Chile but I myself am argentinian and things aren't really great here.
>people are just politically correct about trans people but hold really shitty views behind our backs (and that's in the more progressive places; the more conservative religious ones are really, really bad).
I hear Argentina is a mixed bag for trans people, but it sounds similar to what I already deal with here. Chile seems much better, both legally and socially now that the new constitution is in place, and they're much easier to immigrate to if you start a business or are self employed, which I plan to be. I don't know much about Uruguay but I will look into it. Chile, Argentina, and Spain are the ones I've spent the most time researching, and Chile seems like the best bet so far. Argentina has problems you're aware of trans wise and economically it's barren, and Spain has EU style immigration hurdles I probably can't clear even if it's nice there socially.
>Argentina has problems you're aware of trans wise and economically it's barren
I guess it has it's advantages too; it's really easy to immigrate here (I think there aren't really any requirements If I'm not mistaken) and laws regarding trans people are probably the best in the world. You can get all your documents changed just by asking, insurance has to cover HRT and any surgeries (FFS included), etc. And while economically it's barren if you could get a remote job earning a foreign salary, and find a way to enter the money into the country without getting screwed over by the official government exchange rate, you can live fairly luxuriously. I wouldn't recommend you come here if you have other options (hell, I'm trying to get out of here lol) but it could be better than Oregon if you do get remote work; at least if you don't have other options. And trans people don't get much media or public attention generally so as long as you pass decently enough you could avoid being on the receiving end of transphobia. Dating could be difficult if you're straight though unless you've had SRS; guys over here have incredibly shitty attitudes towards trans women in that regard
>it's really easy to immigrate here (I think there aren't really any requirements If I'm not mistaken)
AFAIK, it's difficult to immigrate to legally, but doing it illegally through overstaying your visa for the 3 years until you naturalize is actually preferred lol. Kind of crazy, but if nowhere else works out I can see myself dissapearing into Argentina and living cash only for a few years.
>and laws regarding trans people are probably the best in the world. You can get all your documents changed just by asking, insurance has to cover HRT and any surgeries (FFS included), etc.
That's initially what put Argentina on my list of options, although I don't know if I could use the insurance while being a foreigner. I would love to get FFS some day, but I have to live to see that day first, which is why I want to leave the US so bad.
>find a way to enter the money into the country without getting screwed over by the official government exchange rate
I imagine that's something a lot of Argentinians want given how bad the currency is there, is there like an industry for it or any known methods that aren't cracked down on? I know people live illegally almost everywhere, especially Argentina, so it's I know it's doable.
>And trans people don't get much media or public attention generally so as long as you pass decently enough you could avoid being on the receiving end of transphobia.
I envy the option of being invisible again, the media has gotten really bad around us in the US and everyone now has an idea of what trans people look like and an opinion on how/why you're a soldier from satan or some stupid conspiracy.
I pass okayish, my voice is good enough to fool anyone suspicious about the clocky parts of me. I've noticed that being foreign helps with passing a lot because people aren't used to seeing the dimorphism of your specific race in their local lives. If you pass okayish the same foreignness could probably boost you to passing all the time too.
>if nowhere else works out I can see myself dissapearing into Argentina and living cash only for a few years.
As long as the country isn't in complete ruin by then, it could be an option
>I don't know if I could use the insurance while being a foreigner
Keep in mind we're talking about private health insurance companies here; not state healthcare. As long as you're paying for one, I don't think it should be an issue. I haven't looked into that in detail though so take that with a grain of salt.
>is there like an industry for it or any known methods that aren't cracked down on?
I haven't looked much into specific details but there are definitely methods. Programmers used to use crypto but the govt cracked down on that; if I'm not mistaken now the meta is moving funds into Uruguayan banks and bringing them into the country in person
>the media has gotten really bad around us in the US and everyone now has an idea of what trans people look like and an opinion on how/why you're a soldier from satan or some stupid conspiracy
That sounds genuinely hellish; I really hope you can move asap if it's really that bad
>I've noticed that being foreign helps with passing a lot because people aren't used to seeing the dimorphism of your specific race in their local lives
Thanks, that's good to know
>I pass okayish, my voice is good enough to fool anyone suspicious about the clocky parts of me
Sounds similar to my situation and even in boymode I've gotten fairly consistently gendered female by strangers. You should probably be fine here if you end up deciding to immigrate
I've heard so; and I might be able to move there so it's definitely an option I'm considering
>Keep in mind we're talking about private health insurance companies here; not state healthcare. As long as you're paying for one, I don't think it should be an issue. I haven't looked into that in detail though so take that with a grain of salt.
Oh? I didn't know. Having lived in the US my whole life, healthcare is an alien concept to me. Oregon has it's own healthcare thing for those in poverty, but it's very limited and I haven't had much use for it.
>Programmers used to use crypto but the govt cracked down on that
I actually heard about that on LULZ when other south American countries were adopting crypto currencies, that Argentina had a massive underground for trading crypto. Unfortunate if that's no longer and option for you down there, but I'll figure out a way. I suppose if I still have US citizenship, I can have a us bank to keep my money in, or just get a foreign one somewhere else.
>You should probably be fine here if you end up deciding to immigrate
Whether I choose to immigrate or not I will definitely visit. Both because it seems silly to me to bet everything on immigrating to a country I've never even been to, and because during all of my research I've just generally started to love the idea of traveling around Latin America, so touring around before I settle sounds best anyway.
>I've heard so; and I might be able to move there so it's definitely an option I'm considering
Something you should look into is a thing I heard about Spain, that if you have citizenship in any former Spanish colony, ie almost everywhere that speaks Spanish, you probably have a kind of claim to Spanish heritage and may be allowed to "return" to the homeland, so to speak. You could be able to leverage that and a few work skills you can live off of to get into Spain without much hassle. I've even heard of people from the US getting citizenship in a place like Puerto Rico because it's currently a US territory, then using that to help immigrate to Spain from there.
>Having lived in the US my whole life, healthcare is an alien concept to me.
It definitely seems quite bad tbh
Over here you usually get health insurance either from your employer or your union; or pay for it yourself if you're self-employed. Coverage can vary but there's some stuff they have to cover by law; everything trans-related (except laser and electrolysis) included
>Unfortunate if that's no longer and option for you down there
It's a bit more difficult now; but it might still be an option. Whatever the case you'll probably have some way to get around it. And even with the official exchange you might get by pretty well.
>I can have a us bank to keep my money in, or just get a foreign one somewhere else
Definitely do that. Look up 'corralito' if you want to get details into why
> I will definitely visit
Oh, definitely do so! There are really nice places to see around here; even if it isn't the best place to live sometimes
>you probably have a kind of claim to Spanish heritage and may be allowed to "return" to the homeland, so to speak
I didn't want to get into personal details but I have relatively recent Spanish ancestry; so I'm currently looking into getting citizenship based on the current legislation which allows for cases like mine
If you have the luxury of choice spain is good imo, good legal and medical stuff and socially nice too. Most people are kinda stuck where they are unfortunately
>research
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Your sample is biased and you should feel bad
This is the only place where you'll get honest answers. Nobody on trans reddit or twitter has ever left their house.
The results will not be generalizable to the rest of the population. Even qualitative research needs to have some sampling standards.
We have posted this elsewhere alongside posting it on here. However, I struggle to see how the specific website people browse would color their IRL experiences on this stuff; with the exception that you might find more people here who have at least looked into DIY (which is useful info)