Vegetarianism is natural, veganism is not >early humans survived off of mostly only nuts and berries
Depends on the place, but humans were mostly hunters-gathers
whether or not something is natural, ancient, or traditional does not dictate whether or not it is a good thing. there are valid criticisms to be had of all diets, including veganism, but it being possible to have a completely healthy diet only because of modern advancement is not one of them
You should avoid processed, imported stuff as much as possible. If your diet is not possible solely on fresh, natural food grown less than 20 miles from your house (like a traditional European/North American one), its a bad diet. Any vegan talking about the supposed environmental benefits is a lying hypocrite.
INGREDIENTS
can you read? Im not talking about the nutritional label, there isnt any ingredient list on a sack of potatoes, a package of meat or a cartoon of milk
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>there isnt any ingredient list on a sack of potatoes, a package of meat or a cartoon of milk
>buy fresh eggs or fresh vegetables from a roadside stall.
Wow, no labels
>buy fresh eggs or fresh vegetables from a roadside stall. >Wow, no labels
You won't believe
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>buy fresh eggs or fresh vegetables from a roadside stall.
Just buy fresh natural food from your local butcher and greengrocer. Until governments ban most preservatives and plastic food packaging that's your best bet.
>just by fresh natural food from your local butcher and greengrocer
farmers markers are closed for half the year and my "local" butcher is a 60 minute round trip. it simply isnt feasible for a lot of people to live this kind of lifestyle strictly and all the time.
>supplements
If your diet requires supplements its a bad diet. And yes, anybody who imports food from thousands of miles away while claiming to be environmentally conscious is an idiot or a liar.
'Health conscious people' do not promote highly processed nutritionally incomplete diets nor do they actively promote the alienation of people from the natural world and natural food.
i see where your argument comes from, and im inclined to agree. its why im not vegan. however, the reasoning and logic behind veganism isn't one of whether or not it is naturally good. the reasoning is, if it is no longer necessary to depend on animals for full and proper nutrition, then we should not continue to do so. indeed, most of what vegans supplement are what the majority of north americans are lacking anyway.
>highly processed nutritionally incomplete diets
this describes most northern american diets, and i dont think i have to spell this out, but vegan diets are just as processed as the purchasing decisions of the vegan, like any other diet.
>alienation from the natural world
an appeal to nature is not a valid argument to discredit veganism. especally not in the modern, unnatural world you and i benefit from.
>imports food from thousands of miles away ... natural food
i agree, we should promote and consume locally grown food. this is just not realistic for most people in north america, however, for reasons stated earlier. distance, availability, time, and financial resources.
such limitations imposed on a diet is a well meaning one but ultimately pretty naive given various current limitations on how people can grow adn obtain food. processed foods should indeed be avoided.
to assume a vegan is a lying hypocrite for an easy conclusion to make such as that it is beneficial for the environment is a malicious one imo
assuming a vegan sources their supplements from decent providers, and assuming that they make decent conscious decisions (processed vs whole grain, avoids out-of-season, avoids almonss, etc) and purchases nationally-grown food and local food when possible, then it is no worse for the environment or them than an omnivorous one and is likely less impactful on the environment. whether or not it has a health benefit is confusing and disputed, since a vegan is already probably health conscious.
If your diet requires supplements its a bad diet. And yes, anybody who imports food from thousands of miles away while claiming to be environmentally conscious is an idiot or a liar.
'Health conscious people' do not promote highly processed nutritionally incomplete diets nor do they actively promote the alienation of people from the natural world and natural food.
>If your diet is not possible solely on fresh, natural food grown less than 20 miles from your house (like a traditional European/North American one), its a bad diet
Gay as fuck. I live in North America but my diet is primarily tropical fruit and tubers. There's no reason to restrict your diet to something less than optimal just because it was like that in the past. I live on the East coast and I eat Alaskan salmon because I can.
that's just stupid, you don't even know what's fembrained otherwise you'd have picked seafood over veganism. men love steak, women love fish, liberals love onions.
no sorry crack isnt vegan but since you are a crackhead and being a crackhead is fembrained and makes you age into an androgynous husk you oldpass so good for you!
>force yourself to completely upend your lifestyle to pretend you are more fembrained than you actually are
do trannies actually do this to themselves? lol.
People keep saying this, but even the trashiest cut of meat is pretty expensive where I live. A diet consisting of rice and beans is vegan and very cheap.
not very good though. if this is your current diet i encourage incorporating a greater variety of vegetables, and make sure youre not packing your rice+beans with mostly rice. try to keep it at least 1:1 and use brown rice.
feeling tired and sick from lack of iron and losing muscle mass from lack of protein and getting fat off carbs and starches and fats yeah id love that no thanks i think im just gonna eat my fish and chicken i dont even think its fair to apply moral reasoning for no meat to those things cause they are all mean and dont have souls anyway... idk not eating beef and pork is basically just as fembrained as veganism and it doesnt make you ill to do that
I wanna go vegetarian but rn I still live with my parents and it'd just basically be buying extra so it's less wasteful to just stick with meat until I move out
not this thread again... for the love of god u dumbass fuckign retards there are no such things are fembrained shit or malebrained shit
all those rigid ideas have been all culturally determined, if you would look back on the history u could see that not everyone was in perfect agreement as to what's appropriate for men or women...
funny to me also is how conservatives want to think that the mere idea of gender is as simple as just having genitials of one specific part there's clearly much more to that for them when they keep saying to for example a very effeminate man to "man up"
if someone wants to however identify with those concepts of what a man or a woman is then okay bro that's cool but thinking this is all categorized and determined strictly by biology is retarded as fuck
Yeah it's so funny to me how many progressives are simply refurbished conservatards. Especially the trans activists who peddle the old "likes pink therefore girl" narrative.
You're right OP, being a bootlicking retard who serves the corporate agenda of tricking idiots into eating ultra processed slop is very feminine, opposing the establishment is malebrained.
tttt giving only the most BASIC normie excuses to avoid considering veganism. i thought my trannies, oh so familiar with cognitive dissonance, would be a lil more self aware! but obviously i thought wrong because were actually the best at thriving in dissonance lmao
im not gonna do something retarded cause women do it
only vegans i've ever met where i live are liberal men
80% of vegans are women
weird sample size in my case i guess
>liberal men
>feminine
Yup, checks out.
veganism is a luxury made possible by the global economy and it's vast supply chains, it's not natural
>it's not natural
>early humans survived off of mostly only nuts and berries
Vegetarianism is natural, veganism is not
>early humans survived off of mostly only nuts and berries
Depends on the place, but humans were mostly hunters-gathers
Early humans lived in a proverbial garden of eden. GL with that if you're in a temperate climate
Consuming meat is why homo sapiens developed actual intelligence.
you got the gatherer part but you left out the hunter part
whether or not something is natural, ancient, or traditional does not dictate whether or not it is a good thing. there are valid criticisms to be had of all diets, including veganism, but it being possible to have a completely healthy diet only because of modern advancement is not one of them
You should avoid processed, imported stuff as much as possible. If your diet is not possible solely on fresh, natural food grown less than 20 miles from your house (like a traditional European/North American one), its a bad diet. Any vegan talking about the supposed environmental benefits is a lying hypocrite.
Just read the label for bad ingredients lol
If you're staple food has a label with ingredients you're ngmi.
I'm not american, every food here is labeled
INGREDIENTS
can you read? Im not talking about the nutritional label, there isnt any ingredient list on a sack of potatoes, a package of meat or a cartoon of milk
>there isnt any ingredient list on a sack of potatoes, a package of meat or a cartoon of milk
>buy fresh eggs or fresh vegetables from a roadside stall.
>Wow, no labels
You won't believe
>buy fresh eggs or fresh vegetables from a roadside stall.
Wow, no labels
>label
Just buy fresh natural food from your local butcher and greengrocer. Until governments ban most preservatives and plastic food packaging that's your best bet.
>just by fresh natural food from your local butcher and greengrocer
farmers markers are closed for half the year and my "local" butcher is a 60 minute round trip. it simply isnt feasible for a lot of people to live this kind of lifestyle strictly and all the time.
i see where your argument comes from, and im inclined to agree. its why im not vegan. however, the reasoning and logic behind veganism isn't one of whether or not it is naturally good. the reasoning is, if it is no longer necessary to depend on animals for full and proper nutrition, then we should not continue to do so. indeed, most of what vegans supplement are what the majority of north americans are lacking anyway.
>highly processed nutritionally incomplete diets
this describes most northern american diets, and i dont think i have to spell this out, but vegan diets are just as processed as the purchasing decisions of the vegan, like any other diet.
>alienation from the natural world
an appeal to nature is not a valid argument to discredit veganism. especally not in the modern, unnatural world you and i benefit from.
>imports food from thousands of miles away ... natural food
i agree, we should promote and consume locally grown food. this is just not realistic for most people in north america, however, for reasons stated earlier. distance, availability, time, and financial resources.
such limitations imposed on a diet is a well meaning one but ultimately pretty naive given various current limitations on how people can grow adn obtain food. processed foods should indeed be avoided.
to assume a vegan is a lying hypocrite for an easy conclusion to make such as that it is beneficial for the environment is a malicious one imo
assuming a vegan sources their supplements from decent providers, and assuming that they make decent conscious decisions (processed vs whole grain, avoids out-of-season, avoids almonss, etc) and purchases nationally-grown food and local food when possible, then it is no worse for the environment or them than an omnivorous one and is likely less impactful on the environment. whether or not it has a health benefit is confusing and disputed, since a vegan is already probably health conscious.
>supplements
If your diet requires supplements its a bad diet. And yes, anybody who imports food from thousands of miles away while claiming to be environmentally conscious is an idiot or a liar.
'Health conscious people' do not promote highly processed nutritionally incomplete diets nor do they actively promote the alienation of people from the natural world and natural food.
>If your diet is not possible solely on fresh, natural food grown less than 20 miles from your house (like a traditional European/North American one), its a bad diet
Gay as fuck. I live in North America but my diet is primarily tropical fruit and tubers. There's no reason to restrict your diet to something less than optimal just because it was like that in the past. I live on the East coast and I eat Alaskan salmon because I can.
>I live on the East coast and I eat Alaskan salmon
Woah we got a badass here, salmon all the way from the west coast?!?
veganism is retardbrained, not fembrained or malebrained.
It's somewhat fembrained because it means putting emotions over logic
Nice misogyny you have there, "sis"
that's just stupid, you don't even know what's fembrained otherwise you'd have picked seafood over veganism. men love steak, women love fish, liberals love onions.
Being vegan is one of the best ways for a male to destroy his testosterone production so if that's a bonus for you then OP is right.
am i vegan if all i consume is monster and cigarettes
no sorry crack isnt vegan but since you are a crackhead and being a crackhead is fembrained and makes you age into an androgynous husk you oldpass so good for you!
>no sorry crack isnt vegan
Crack is a refined plant product, retard. It's absolutely vegan.
sure but cartel trafficking violence is not vegan people murder is as bad as aminal murder by vegan logic and its inseperable from ur addiction
>force yourself to completely upend your lifestyle to pretend you are more fembrained than you actually are
do trannies actually do this to themselves? lol.
it would be impossible to maintain my daily calories going vegan
Vegetarianism I could understand but Veganism? Nah, that’s a strong conviction only a man could take.
Problem is the price.
Lose out on much variety of tastes, pay 2x times for that privelige
People keep saying this, but even the trashiest cut of meat is pretty expensive where I live. A diet consisting of rice and beans is vegan and very cheap.
not very good though. if this is your current diet i encourage incorporating a greater variety of vegetables, and make sure youre not packing your rice+beans with mostly rice. try to keep it at least 1:1 and use brown rice.
You shouldn’t eat brown rice everyday because of the arsenic
feeling tired and sick from lack of iron and losing muscle mass from lack of protein and getting fat off carbs and starches and fats yeah id love that no thanks i think im just gonna eat my fish and chicken i dont even think its fair to apply moral reasoning for no meat to those things cause they are all mean and dont have souls anyway... idk not eating beef and pork is basically just as fembrained as veganism and it doesnt make you ill to do that
I wanna go vegetarian but rn I still live with my parents and it'd just basically be buying extra so it's less wasteful to just stick with meat until I move out
not this thread again... for the love of god u dumbass fuckign retards there are no such things are fembrained shit or malebrained shit
all those rigid ideas have been all culturally determined, if you would look back on the history u could see that not everyone was in perfect agreement as to what's appropriate for men or women...
funny to me also is how conservatives want to think that the mere idea of gender is as simple as just having genitials of one specific part there's clearly much more to that for them when they keep saying to for example a very effeminate man to "man up"
if someone wants to however identify with those concepts of what a man or a woman is then okay bro that's cool but thinking this is all categorized and determined strictly by biology is retarded as fuck
Yeah it's so funny to me how many progressives are simply refurbished conservatards. Especially the trans activists who peddle the old "likes pink therefore girl" narrative.
You're right OP, being a bootlicking retard who serves the corporate agenda of tricking idiots into eating ultra processed slop is very feminine, opposing the establishment is malebrained.
it's expensive so no thanks
You can smell the hons ITT
I am vegan so I'm girlier than (you). :3
You ok with swallowing my babies or would that be akin murder?
I'm babyphobic, so I may swallow your cum to prevent the creation of babies!
*mwah*
MWAH
Captcha: 0WAWMA
carnivores are smart, herbivores are dumb
vegans are practically advocating for human devolution
but I wuv tartare au boeuf and danablu cheese
You realize that trans men exist?
tttt giving only the most BASIC normie excuses to avoid considering veganism. i thought my trannies, oh so familiar with cognitive dissonance, would be a lil more self aware! but obviously i thought wrong because were actually the best at thriving in dissonance lmao
A vegan diet lowers your IQ and makes you more emotionally unstable. Sad but true.
sorry i can't go vegan bcz i love eating döner