totally unenforcable, but the right votes are secured because fuck china, and all the kids and teens who actually use the app can't vote so fuck them. Brilliant move.
It forbids mobile app stores from offering Tiktok to users in Montana. Google and Apple know where you are. If their stores continue to show Tiktok as downloadable when connected from a Montana IP, the regulators in Montana are going to be asking them some tough questions.
From that summary it doesn't look like it bans internet traffic from Montana to Tiktok, or even sideloaded apks of it. Yet it will still be effective -- look back at what happened when Flappy Bird was pulled. You could easily sideload an apk, yet people were buying phones that had it already installed for insanely high prices.
If that's the exact details of the bill, that's not banning tiktok but just making it slightly harder to get it. That's not a flappy bird rerun, that's a textbook streissand effect waiting to happen. Flappy bird was pulled by its creator, and a phone with it installed from the appstore when it was still available being worth something to a collector suprises nobody.
stopping murder or rape is unenforceable so we shouldn't try
don't (you) be a dribbler, laws forbidding murder and rape are absolutely enforceable and are enforced every day. You want to enforce a tiktok ban how? Void the fifth amendment and force them to unlock their phones so an officer can check?
>You want to enforce a tiktok ban how?
Simple: If the app still appears on Google Play, take action against Google. If they ban ISPs from routing traffic to it, simply test on each major ISP. If traffic to Tiktok's IP range goes through, take action against that ISP.
>You want to enforce a tiktok ban how?
You make it a massive fine for any company aiding and abetting access to it. That means Google, Apple, Microsoft, device manufacturers, ISPs.
That is, for the first 6 months, so they can get their shit together and block it properly. After 6 months we'll add a treason charge for all peoples in management or executive positions within said company.
>You want to enforce a tiktok ban how? Void the fifth amendment and force them to unlock their phones so an officer can check?
Montana fines Apple and Google if the app is available on their stores while the phone is in Montana.
>Section 1.Prohibition -- penalty -- enforcement -- definitions. (1) Tiktok may not operate within the territorial jurisdiction of Montana. An entity violates this prohibition when any of the following occurs within the territorial jurisdiction of Montana: >(a) the operation of tiktok by the company or users; or >(b) the option to download the tiktok mobile application by a mobile application store. >(2) An entity that violates a provision of this section is liable in the amount of $10,000 for each discrete violation and is liable for an additional $10,000 each day thereafter that the violation continues. >(5) Penalties in this section do not apply to users of tiktok.
>totally unenforcable
100% enforceable. isn't it amazing how chinks are crying so hard over this yet they are one of the most censored nations on earth? where was this crying when western sites were banned? complete silence. yet we're supposed to care about some cancerous app made by chinese pedophiles for mining data out of white children? one day you'll win, xiangling.
It forbids mobile app stores from offering Tiktok to users in Montana. Google and Apple know where you are. If their stores continue to show Tiktok as downloadable when connected from a Montana IP, the regulators in Montana are going to be asking them some tough questions.
From that summary it doesn't look like it bans internet traffic from Montana to Tiktok, or even sideloaded apks of it. Yet it will still be effective -- look back at what happened when Flappy Bird was pulled. You could easily sideload an apk, yet people were buying phones that had it already installed for insanely high prices.
>From that summary it doesn't look like it bans internet traffic from Montana to Tiktok
bans it from operating, so ISPs will be forced to block traffic.
https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2023/billpdf/SB0419.pdf
Based, but impossible to enforce
tiktok isn't chinese, that's douyin
tiktok is a clone of douyin run out of singapore
if they want to ban it fine, but ban it for real reasons.
>isn't it amazing how chinks are crying so hard over this yet they are one of the most censored nations on earth
Isn't it amazing how you're advocating for censorship while using lack of censorship as a measuring stick for the quality of life in a society? >but tiktok bad!!
It's not just tiktok, this ban is the reason Pico 4 isn't released in US, they don't feel safe enough to release it. So instead Zucc gets his monopoly on VR in US. And of course Google gets a monopoly on short videos. Monopolies of your making, you support this as you whine about Zucc's particular race having too much power for your liking and not using that power in your interest. Are you noticing how you're herded into handing that power to the Zuccs of the world? How you're doing this because you're fucking stupid?
>penalizes operators >specifically doesn't penalize users
This is unfathomable. How did they actually manage to write this law competently? I would have expected this law to attack helpless people like normal, not actually persue evil corporate entities. This is what they get for being nonfree, many such cases!
>bans it from operating, so ISPs will be forced to block traffic
If it just "bans it from operating", that doesn't imply making ISPs block traffic. It would just order Tiktok to reject IPs that are from Montana. Similarly, if a state blocks a mail order company from operating, it doesn't order FedEx not to deliver packages from them in the state; it orders the mail order company to reject orders from that state.
I can't be assed to read through the whole bill since I don't live anywhere near Montana though.
He's talking about forcing Apple and Google to do it because they know all user locations (yes it will work even if someone is VPN'd due to fingerprinting and other tricks). The real issue is enforcing the ban on sideloading which will prove too difficult for Montana, as users can access app repositories hosted out of state.
But it won't be a problem once this becomes a nationwide ban.
>The real issue is enforcing the ban on sideloading
There won't be a ban on sideloading, it's purely targeting app stores and the company itself. If you already have it on your phone, or go to Canada and download it and come back, or whatever, you'll be fine.
not before the federal case involving people smuggling in phones pre-loaded with tiktok
perfect timing to make the whole shit an actual issue for the 2024 presidential election
(not your privacy, of course, that's already gone. i mean war with china)
I don't use these apps, can someone explain to me why teens don't use shorts and instagram? What's the difference? They're basically the same format right? Short clips, comment section, etc
> chinese government telling people what to do with their phone: silence > american state governments telling chinks to fuck off: problematic
hilarious
>forgets about how you can't say covid is fake online >forgets about how you can't say 2020 was stolen online >forgets about how you can't name the israelite online >free speech dies when you ban a Chinese spyware app
That anon never said those things weren't also an issue. Quit sperging.
>War Is Peace >Freedom Is Slavery >Ignorance Is Strength
kek. you zoomer-coomers and you bigbrains never stop amusing me. it's like watching a retard chasing a bar of soap in the bath.
The fact that American big tech companies face little consequences for the same crime means you can't trust these Tik Tok restrictions to not have an ulterior motive. I don't blame people for being suspicious.
It doesn't ban the use of TikTok in MT, it bans the availability of it in app stores. Apple and Google already have the ability to restrict apps by your geolocation, they just need to turn it on for this app in this location.
What is the deal with the with us or against us mentality? No one has to like China so they can be against a first amendment violating anti-free speech legislature. I thought LULZ of all people would understand that since freedom of speech is such a common topic here.
I agree this is the wrong approach but amerifats are so far gone I don't think there is any other way. Ideally you should make prevention campains or tell parents to maybe no let their kids spend all day on this shit but we all know it wouldn't work.
The strong protections for freedom of speech and expression against federal, state, and local government censorship are rooted in the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. These protections extend to the Internet, and as a result, very little government mandated technical filtering occurs in the US.
Nevertheless, the Internet in the United States is highly regulated, supported by a complex set of legally binding and privately mediated mechanisms
What is the deal with the with us or against us mentality? No one has to like China so they can be against a first amendment violating anti-free speech legislature. I thought LULZ of all people would understand that since freedom of speech is such a common topic here.
That's because China does not allow fair competition. You can't just invest or run a business in China. And they use the government to spy on western businesses and then give the information to their own businesses. So it's not a fair market.
Household-name consumer brands like Starbucks, Nike and Under Armour have a large customer base in China. Tech and automobile giants like Intel, Apple, Tesla, General Motors and Ford not only rely on Chinese consumers, but also have huge manufacturing networks in the country
>forgets about how you can't say covid is fake online >forgets about how you can't say 2020 was stolen online >forgets about how you can't name the israelite online >free speech dies when you ban a Chinese spyware app
>uhm what I can't say nagger on twitter??? That is against my heckin freedumbs!!!!! Help me EloN!!! >What? The government is banning companies and is controlling what information I have access to? That's hecking BASED the libs are OWNED!!! Heck yeah!!!
Why are americans like this?
liberals say there's no freedom of speech without freedom from consequences, then cry and scream when they have to face the consequences of their actions
It wasn't fine a few years ago, there were YouTube channels, etc., going over how bad it was around COVID as far as I'm personally aware. US Government just moves incredibly slow.
that is not fair to yt channels who makes cringe compilations. over 80% of all cringe comes from tiktok. there is no other social media with the same amount of zoomies that generate as much cringe as tiktok.
being under surveillance by the communist party isn't freedom, it's the polar opposite, it means you are institutionalized and crave those limitations & no-no lists.
people who want tiktok and similar are anti-freedom; they don't want to roam free on a open internet where anyone can sayor do anything; they want locked-down ecosystems that confines them to a designated area and dictate what they may or may not say.
>War Is Peace >Freedom Is Slavery >Ignorance Is Strength
kek. you zoomer-coomers and you bigbrains never stop amusing me. it's like watching a retard chasing a bar of soap in the bath.
Nothing but their own laziness or stupidity. If MT stops the vast majority of downloads because it's not in the app store then they've accomplished their goal.
BREAKING: TIKTOK SUES STATE OF MONTANA
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/22/tiktok-sues-montana-ban
TLDR: >TikTok has filed a federal lawsuit against Montana over the state's ban on the app. The company argues that the ban violates the First Amendment rights of both TikTok and its users. TikTok also claims that the ban is preempted by federal law and violates the commerce clause of the US constitution. Montana's governor signed legislation that bans TikTok and prohibits app stores from offering it in the state. A group of TikTok creators had already sued to block the law, stating that it violates their First Amendment rights. The state argues that the ban is necessary to protect personal and private data from being accessed by the Chinese government. TikTok denies sharing data with the Chinese government and claims to prioritize data security and content moderation. The lawsuit names Montana's attorney general, who is responsible for enforcing the ban. It remains unclear how the ban would be enforced given users' ability to circumvent geographic restrictions.
So in a few years, will a zoomer transfer student from Montana even be able to communicate with the other students at the new school? From their perspective that student would seems like a time traveler from the boomer era.
Creating a law targeting a specific organization and preventing it from doing business is a bill of attainder. These are explicitly outlawed in the Constitution. Neither Google nor Apple is obligated to follow such a law, as they are repugnant to the Constitution, and therefore null and void.
I don't simp for the CCP. On the contrary. I don't want any part of the US to be more like China. China bans applications from foreign countries that they don't like. We should strive to be their opposite. No power given to any level of government to ban foreign software.
Does anyone in Montana even have a smartphone?
hindu
totally unenforcable, but the right votes are secured because fuck china, and all the kids and teens who actually use the app can't vote so fuck them. Brilliant move.
The system works
It forbids mobile app stores from offering Tiktok to users in Montana. Google and Apple know where you are. If their stores continue to show Tiktok as downloadable when connected from a Montana IP, the regulators in Montana are going to be asking them some tough questions.
From that summary it doesn't look like it bans internet traffic from Montana to Tiktok, or even sideloaded apks of it. Yet it will still be effective -- look back at what happened when Flappy Bird was pulled. You could easily sideload an apk, yet people were buying phones that had it already installed for insanely high prices.
No, people were trying to sell phones with flappy bird on them for high prices. Doesn't mean anyone bought them
You could see sold listings too, anon.
I had bids worth more than when the phone was new until eBay took it down and banned me for a week
If that's the exact details of the bill, that's not banning tiktok but just making it slightly harder to get it. That's not a flappy bird rerun, that's a textbook streissand effect waiting to happen. Flappy bird was pulled by its creator, and a phone with it installed from the appstore when it was still available being worth something to a collector suprises nobody.
don't (you) be a dribbler, laws forbidding murder and rape are absolutely enforceable and are enforced every day. You want to enforce a tiktok ban how? Void the fifth amendment and force them to unlock their phones so an officer can check?
tiktok is cringe zoomer go touch grass
The fifth amendment is already voided by invome tax. It's meaningless.
>You want to enforce a tiktok ban how?
Simple: If the app still appears on Google Play, take action against Google. If they ban ISPs from routing traffic to it, simply test on each major ISP. If traffic to Tiktok's IP range goes through, take action against that ISP.
>You want to enforce a tiktok ban how?
You make it a massive fine for any company aiding and abetting access to it. That means Google, Apple, Microsoft, device manufacturers, ISPs.
That is, for the first 6 months, so they can get their shit together and block it properly. After 6 months we'll add a treason charge for all peoples in management or executive positions within said company.
>You want to enforce a tiktok ban how? Void the fifth amendment and force them to unlock their phones so an officer can check?
Montana fines Apple and Google if the app is available on their stores while the phone is in Montana.
>Section 1.Prohibition -- penalty -- enforcement -- definitions. (1) Tiktok may not operate within the territorial jurisdiction of Montana. An entity violates this prohibition when any of the following occurs within the territorial jurisdiction of Montana:
>(a) the operation of tiktok by the company or users; or
>(b) the option to download the tiktok mobile application by a mobile application store.
>(2) An entity that violates a provision of this section is liable in the amount of $10,000 for each discrete violation and is liable for an additional $10,000 each day thereafter that the violation continues.
>(5) Penalties in this section do not apply to users of tiktok.
ping pong ching chong
stopping murder or rape is unenforceable so we shouldn't try
>totally unenforcable
100% enforceable. isn't it amazing how chinks are crying so hard over this yet they are one of the most censored nations on earth? where was this crying when western sites were banned? complete silence. yet we're supposed to care about some cancerous app made by chinese pedophiles for mining data out of white children? one day you'll win, xiangling.
>From that summary it doesn't look like it bans internet traffic from Montana to Tiktok
bans it from operating, so ISPs will be forced to block traffic.
https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2023/billpdf/SB0419.pdf
> chinks really are this retarded
least hysterical amerimutt
>isn't it amazing how chinks are crying so hard over this yet they are one of the most censored nations on earth
Isn't it amazing how you're advocating for censorship while using lack of censorship as a measuring stick for the quality of life in a society?
>but tiktok bad!!
It's not just tiktok, this ban is the reason Pico 4 isn't released in US, they don't feel safe enough to release it. So instead Zucc gets his monopoly on VR in US. And of course Google gets a monopoly on short videos. Monopolies of your making, you support this as you whine about Zucc's particular race having too much power for your liking and not using that power in your interest. Are you noticing how you're herded into handing that power to the Zuccs of the world? How you're doing this because you're fucking stupid?
> chink cope
will you be livestreaming your suicide? post photo of face. i want to see those chink tears.
You seethe because you have no argument
>penalizes operators
>specifically doesn't penalize users
This is unfathomable. How did they actually manage to write this law competently? I would have expected this law to attack helpless people like normal, not actually persue evil corporate entities. This is what they get for being nonfree, many such cases!
>bans it from operating, so ISPs will be forced to block traffic
If it just "bans it from operating", that doesn't imply making ISPs block traffic. It would just order Tiktok to reject IPs that are from Montana. Similarly, if a state blocks a mail order company from operating, it doesn't order FedEx not to deliver packages from them in the state; it orders the mail order company to reject orders from that state.
I can't be assed to read through the whole bill since I don't live anywhere near Montana though.
bans--traffice shape
>100% enforceable.
How
He's talking about forcing Apple and Google to do it because they know all user locations (yes it will work even if someone is VPN'd due to fingerprinting and other tricks). The real issue is enforcing the ban on sideloading which will prove too difficult for Montana, as users can access app repositories hosted out of state.
But it won't be a problem once this becomes a nationwide ban.
>The real issue is enforcing the ban on sideloading
There won't be a ban on sideloading, it's purely targeting app stores and the company itself. If you already have it on your phone, or go to Canada and download it and come back, or whatever, you'll be fine.
not before the federal case involving people smuggling in phones pre-loaded with tiktok
perfect timing to make the whole shit an actual issue for the 2024 presidential election
(not your privacy, of course, that's already gone. i mean war with china)
tiktok is cringe tho
Бaзa
Based.
TikTok is part of a demoralization psyop from China.
tiktok isn't chinese, that's douyin
tiktok is a clone of douyin run out of singapore
if they want to ban it fine, but ban it for real reasons.
Tiktok is owned by Bytedance, a Chinese company.
Based, but impossible to enforce
it's ok, the average tik tok-er doesn't how to vpn out of montana to download tik tok
I imagine all the tiktoks being done right now saying
>OH MY GOD GUYS, IF YOU LIVE IN THE CRINGE STATE OF MONTANA YOU NEED TO INSTALL SOMETHING CALLED V P N
>Starts dancing
I don't use these apps, can someone explain to me why teens don't use shorts and instagram? What's the difference? They're basically the same format right? Short clips, comment section, etc
Tiktok is trendy
Stupid people chase trends.
they do use those tiktok was just first and instagram and youtube added the reels/shorts thing to appeal to tiktok users
tiktok does it better, having 100% of its algorithm and feed dedicated to it. Youtube shorts will always be second fiddle to long form content.
I plan on moving to Montana eventually but this kind of shit bothers me. TikTok is cancer but so is government telling me what I can put on my phone.
> chinese government telling people what to do with their phone: silence
> american state governments telling chinks to fuck off: problematic
hilarious
I don't give a fuck what the chinese or american government does to herd cattle around. If they limit what I can do with my shit I'm against it.
Moot should ban tiktoks on LULZ
who tf is moots
Newfag
That anon never said those things weren't also an issue. Quit sperging.
The fact that American big tech companies face little consequences for the same crime means you can't trust these Tik Tok restrictions to not have an ulterior motive. I don't blame people for being suspicious.
Based, but also a really bad precedent
I wonder what they'll ban next?
good
now you just need to apply a little bit of critical thinking to figure out why the domestic media in the US pushes mostly the same things
christian whites and levantine/Arab Muslims need to put aside their differences for once in history and address this
How would that even be technically work?
Does Montana even have it's own internet backbone?
It doesn't ban the use of TikTok in MT, it bans the availability of it in app stores. Apple and Google already have the ability to restrict apps by your geolocation, they just need to turn it on for this app in this location.
>Montana
where is it?
It's in the northwest USA; it's big, but sparsely populated.
>it's big, but sparsely populated
Only in terms of normal humans. If you count bears and moose and biblefags, it's densely populated.
>Only in terms of the metric everyone else cares about
>the goyim found could say n-word over there! ADL HELP!
is there any actual evidence that tiktok sends info to China?
It's a chinese company anon.
I agree this is the wrong approach but amerifats are so far gone I don't think there is any other way. Ideally you should make prevention campains or tell parents to maybe no let their kids spend all day on this shit but we all know it wouldn't work.
If they were actually concerned about this aspect to begin with, they would've banned it long ago.
The strong protections for freedom of speech and expression against federal, state, and local government censorship are rooted in the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. These protections extend to the Internet, and as a result, very little government mandated technical filtering occurs in the US.
Nevertheless, the Internet in the United States is highly regulated, supported by a complex set of legally binding and privately mediated mechanisms
What is the deal with the with us or against us mentality? No one has to like China so they can be against a first amendment violating anti-free speech legislature. I thought LULZ of all people would understand that since freedom of speech is such a common topic here.
That's because China does not allow fair competition. You can't just invest or run a business in China. And they use the government to spy on western businesses and then give the information to their own businesses. So it's not a fair market.
We shouldn't do business with China at all tbh.
Household-name consumer brands like Starbucks, Nike and Under Armour have a large customer base in China. Tech and automobile giants like Intel, Apple, Tesla, General Motors and Ford not only rely on Chinese consumers, but also have huge manufacturing networks in the country
lol so much for muh free speech welcome to the ussa
>forgets about how you can't say covid is fake online
>forgets about how you can't say 2020 was stolen online
>forgets about how you can't name the israelite online
>free speech dies when you ban a Chinese spyware app
just use VPN bro
The land of the free strikes again.
>uhm what I can't say nagger on twitter??? That is against my heckin freedumbs!!!!! Help me EloN!!!
>What? The government is banning companies and is controlling what information I have access to? That's hecking BASED the libs are OWNED!!! Heck yeah!!!
Why are americans like this?
liberals say there's no freedom of speech without freedom from consequences, then cry and scream when they have to face the consequences of their actions
now ban disney
What happened? It was fine a few years ago but now it's a terrible national security threat that needs to be banned immediately?
It wasn't fine a few years ago, there were YouTube channels, etc., going over how bad it was around COVID as far as I'm personally aware. US Government just moves incredibly slow.
It's facebook doing business
Literally unconstitutional.
And not a single other person here will know why since you’re all nothing but /misc/tards.
Does this really demoralize americans? idk it cheers me up tbf
Based, but also illegal and cringe. Will probably be reversed or significantly altered in the near future.
It’s hasn’t passed and if it does it takes affect next year and doesn’t affect existing users. You guys are total idiots for falling for this shit
>t. Montanan
what is montana?
I wish it could be banned for the entire nation.
literally where
get ready, american frens
that is not fair to yt channels who makes cringe compilations. over 80% of all cringe comes from tiktok. there is no other social media with the same amount of zoomies that generate as much cringe as tiktok.
Americans will rave about freedom all fucking day and then offer their asses to the state when something they don't like gets banned.
being under surveillance by the communist party isn't freedom, it's the polar opposite, it means you are institutionalized and crave those limitations & no-no lists.
people who want tiktok and similar are anti-freedom; they don't want to roam free on a open internet where anyone can sayor do anything; they want locked-down ecosystems that confines them to a designated area and dictate what they may or may not say.
>Letting people do what they want is authoritarianism
This is your brain on Burgerstan.
>War Is Peace
>Freedom Is Slavery
>Ignorance Is Strength
kek. you zoomer-coomers and you bigbrains never stop amusing me. it's like watching a retard chasing a bar of soap in the bath.
so whats stopping kids from downloading tiktok.apk on their android phone or using a vpn to change their geolocation on iphone?
Nothing but their own laziness or stupidity. If MT stops the vast majority of downloads because it's not in the app store then they've accomplished their goal.
>app that lets you watch videos of people dancing to music or making numemes
>REEEEEEEEE CHINA NATIONAL SECURITY RISK BAN IT BAN IT NOW
Movin to Montana soon
Gonna be a dental floss tycoon
BREAKING: TIKTOK SUES STATE OF MONTANA
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/22/tiktok-sues-montana-ban
TLDR:
>TikTok has filed a federal lawsuit against Montana over the state's ban on the app. The company argues that the ban violates the First Amendment rights of both TikTok and its users. TikTok also claims that the ban is preempted by federal law and violates the commerce clause of the US constitution. Montana's governor signed legislation that bans TikTok and prohibits app stores from offering it in the state. A group of TikTok creators had already sued to block the law, stating that it violates their First Amendment rights. The state argues that the ban is necessary to protect personal and private data from being accessed by the Chinese government. TikTok denies sharing data with the Chinese government and claims to prioritize data security and content moderation. The lawsuit names Montana's attorney general, who is responsible for enforcing the ban. It remains unclear how the ban would be enforced given users' ability to circumvent geographic restrictions.
My company's HQ is in Montana, I might reach out to some people and ask them what they think.
So in a few years, will a zoomer transfer student from Montana even be able to communicate with the other students at the new school? From their perspective that student would seems like a time traveler from the boomer era.
Creating a law targeting a specific organization and preventing it from doing business is a bill of attainder. These are explicitly outlawed in the Constitution. Neither Google nor Apple is obligated to follow such a law, as they are repugnant to the Constitution, and therefore null and void.
>chink comm symps pretending like they care about the law
I don't simp for the CCP. On the contrary. I don't want any part of the US to be more like China. China bans applications from foreign countries that they don't like. We should strive to be their opposite. No power given to any level of government to ban foreign software.
Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNdySYdVe0E&t=52
Why does tiktok produce so much better recommendations than FAGMAN shit