>Thousand year headstart on civilization
>Whitey beats them to the punch on world conquest
How?
>Thousand year headstart on civilization. >Whitey beats them to the punch on world conquest
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Christianity gave the Europeans an impetus to travel the entire planet. What reason did Asians have? Remember that the colonial era was specifically post-Christian. The Roman empire was large, but nothing compared to the extent of colonialism produced in later years by European governments.
China believed they were the center of the world and the most advance civilization. Why would they bother? Everyone seemed to want to travel all the way to them to trade anyway. Then like implies, they had religions that didn’t really travel all that much. Buddhism in it infancy definitely at least made the attempt, but ultimately they were all ethnic religions that were tribalistic and did not commanded to spread their teachings. Christianity had their God literally command them to go out and preach to all the nations, but not akin to Islamic conquest which would slow down based how well you can govern your conquered lands.
>Christianity gave the Europeans an impetus to travel the entire planet.
No it didn't lol.
Remember when Christianity gave alexander the great the impetus to colonialize persia. Oh wait.
But remember when christianity gave the norse the impetus to explorer the atlantic. No wait, that not quite right.
but remember the time when hanno the navigator explored the african coast as far south as the gulf of guinea. surely that was Christianity?
The truth is that the Europeans just advanced ship building and sea navigation at a higher level than the romans before them and the East Asians.
All of it pales in comparison to the colonial empires that surpassed them. I'm sorry, are people desperate to learn Greek, or English?
Yea because caravels made traveling vast distances possible.
Colonial empires only started where there was little resistance, like the decimated americas, and only later spread to Africa and Asia once the logistical advancements allowed it.
Christianity was not the drive. Wealth and technology were.
That's simply not true. The colonization of the Americas is actually a perfect example of why Christianity did play a key role in global expansion for Europeans.
If you think Europeans went to the Americas only to spread Christianity you are retarded.
Who are you arguing with?
What post did you reply to?
It played a role but the economic reasons were way more important
>I'm sorry, are people desperate to learn Greek,
during ancient and medieval ages yes
>we wuz colonizing an shit
they actually did colonizing, when angloids didn´t even exist
Imagine Byzantine set up colonies around what today Moscow
Alexander the Great was Christian
>Christianity gave the Europeans an impetus to travel the entire planet.
Getting cucked in the Silk Road/Spice Road gave Europeans an impetus to travel the planet. Not Jesus.
You are really adamant that people do things for purely economic and material reasons. I understand that you believe you are basically a mutated pile of meat waiting to die, but almost nobody in history has had that kind of perspective. Maybe try to widen your horizons a bit and understand that not all people in history share your personal view of the world. Because it's not just that you're biased, but it's to the point where you are just straight up denying a historical reality so that it fits your personal religious views.
>people do things for purely economic and material
I dare you find a expedition that runs on faith rather than gold & treasure
Everyone needs funding, so I fail to see your point.
O van its called a Christian mission..
Christian missionaries go to places pacified by merchants & soldiers lol.
>You are really adamant that people do things for purely economic and material reasons.
You might want to read primary sources by explorers like Da Gama, Columbus, and Magellan. They're MAINLY about commerce and trade with the east, the spreading Christianity bit is a sidequest. Magellan's Chronicler, Pigafetta, pretty much just focuses on the commercial and strategic possibilities of the places they visited. See for yourself.
>https://www.gutenberg.org/files/42884/42884-h/42884-h.htm
If it was mainly for the spreading of the faith then they would have been content with the large numbers of natives they discovered and converted in the Americas. But no, every single one of the early explorers who went to the Americas went "wow, this is not Asia" and obsessed still with finding alternate routes to the riches of the east. Just goes to show where their priorities lay.
The theory goes that whites colonized and civilized China first and then left the region with the structural foundation necessary to take the ball and run with it. Yangshao and The Yellow Emperor I think.
you have a very progress-centered view of civilization and it's cringe.
No Faustian Spirit.
>How?
>China
The Han Tribe (I think?) from the Yellow River developed Rice Cultivation and got themselves all fat n' oversexed on carbs. They then proceeded to proliferate into the millions across most East AND South East Asia before making what amounted to functional Eternal, Central, Imperial Government, that went untouched for thousands of years.
China unironically "won" and then proceeded to sit on their laurels. They literally figured they were the best at everything, that there was nothing the rest of the world had to offer, and they sat and stagnated. In a way China STILL kind of thinks like this as they don't make a lot of original content.
>Japan
Japan is weirdly stupid and brilliant. Japan ISN'T good at coming up with their own ideas, but they're savants when it comes to absorbing, assimilating, innovating, and adopting new information when it's presented to them. While China achieved steady progress and then stopped when they thought they were "done": Japan achieved progress in plateauing stages of development.
It's the idea that the Japanese were essentially cavemen until 800 BC when Korean settlers showed them how to plant price and from there they radically advanced into a bronze-age society effectively overnight. Or that a Portuguese Merchant paid for boat repairs with 4 primitive rifles in the 1500's(?) and in less than 20 years they were making 10's of thousands of guns, cannons, and had devolved into a "battle royale"-style match to see who'd be the imperial government.
>world conquest
Before complete self destruction
Was it worth it?
>Was it worth it?
Yes. Se you for round 3 Chang.