Thoughts on this?

Thoughts on this?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    None of that is down to the baby so it is false.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm still pro-life after all that? One of the biggest reasons I turned pro-life as a socialist was when I realized how deeply tied abortion arguments are with eugenics.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      youre only prolife in discussing it. you wont actually do any groundwork in helping disenfranchised babies survive. i wish you were aborted.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I literally go to mutual aid meets and feed bipoc homeless people lol
        abort yourself my man

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >feeding homeless people means its ok to force children into the social services ratmaze hell or a painful death by neglect
          this is why you should die. you uppity white people dont deserve oxygen

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            She's not white she's a kike they should all hang

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            *breathes in*

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'll do you a deal.
        I'd be willing to change my stance and become pro-abortion if you can do the following:

        Find me ONE person that was aborted.
        Put them up on a stage and let them declare to the world how they feel their mother made the right choice and that it was justified.

        For all the issues I have with the idea of transitioning, as long as there is one person that has transitioned and said that it was the best thing they did, I'm willing to support those that want to at least try.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          find me one who was aborted and is unhappy they got aborted

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Momma tried aborting me and I decided to become gay to punish her

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Common consensus is that abortion is wrong so that is the default view that needs to be changed.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This isn't true.
              https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/13/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-abortion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases-2/
              You want to impose your own beliefs across the majority of people who disagree with them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm just going through the poll but can you link to the questions too?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pro-life and pro-choice are polarizing labels. It's an associative label rather than denotative.

      I think abortion should be legal, but it should never be done to avoid autism or other "defects" unless they are literally a death sentence.

      Agreed that this is an issue

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So you believe that a mother should be forced to give birth to a child with downs syndrome, but should be allowed to abort at will otherwise? Can you please explain why you think women should be forced to birth severely handicapped children?

    • 2 weeks ago
      P. Sevenleaf

      Here's a radical idea.

      We should make it easier for people to feed and clothe and shelter and raise their children if they choose to have them. We should make the means of raising children more accessible. We should also make abortions more accessible. Both these ideas can coexist. If you don't support BOTH choices then you aren't truly pro-choice, or really even pro-anything, just a dumb reactionary.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Any person actually looking to make a difference would be abortion-ambivalent and focus on firebombing an oil company.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the poorest people are obese, poverty is a myth and only true for drug addicts, literally nobody is struggling to live

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this is literally what kills society and halts progress. People need to die, and nature dictates it must be the weakest and least cunning.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >we should make childrens lives better
        >we should allow mothers to kmurder their children at will
        you are insane if you believe you have to believe one to believe the other

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    True of Republicans. But not all pro-life are Republican.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm pro-life (in all cases where mother's life is not at severe risk) but support programs for all of those.

    The christcucks are ruining it for us true righteous folks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Christcucks are truly unrighteous idiots. Very unlike Jesus Christ. If it was up to Jesus, he'd balance out the economic disparity via Universal Basic Income.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I firmly believe that 99% of people wouldn't care about billionaires existing if their basic needs were met.

        Life kinda sucks for the lower/working classes, so I can see where the misplaced anger comes from.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Jesus preached that having money is bad
        Giving money to the poor isn't about helping the poor it's about ridding yourself of a burden
        Materialist marxist homosexuals and trannies like you lack the spirit and the mental capacity to ever comprehend this

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If it was up to Jesus, he'd balance out the economic disparity via Universal Basic Income.
        No he wouldn't.
        Jesus allegedly wasn't that stupid.

        UBI positively affects the very poorest, yes. But it barely affects the very richest.
        Do you know who WOULD be affected?
        Those 1 rung up the ladder from the very poorest.
        The money for UBI comes from one place. The people, through taxes.
        If you want UBI, taxes will go up exponentially.
        The richest and the rich would just move away to a tax haven which means it will be the not rich and the poor that would be paying that money.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The christcucks are ruining it for us true righteous folks.
      Here here. Poverty and open discrimination are a cultural disease that has no excuse for existing in a healthy society, same as abortion.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think we should make a progressive compromise honestly
    We'll make abortions legal but only for black hispanic and israeli women because they're disprivileged and need more rights than wypipo
    In fact we should make it mandatory for them so the right wing christofascist KKK lobby doesn't get a chance to coerce them into keeping it

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only choice relevant to this discussion is the choice to get pregnant in the first place. If there is even a small chance that you'll end up aborting the baby, then just decide to not be a hoe and avoid pregnancy altogether.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I get what the poster is trying to say but I disagree with it. Forced-birth supporters still 'support' all of those examples being born - they just don't give a single shit about them once they are and will probably support active steps to harm them. A forced-birth advocate won't want to screen for 'transgender fetuses' so those can be selectively aborted - they'll simply want to abuse trans children once they're born.

    The forced-birth mindset makes total sense when you realize that ultimately it's just a reactionary movement where an unwanted fetus being carried to term and born is the beginning and the end of it for them, it doesn't matter how appallingly the baby is going to be treated, or even if they consider it their enemy because of its demographic group. It was born so they won, the end - their work here is done.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're still more righteous than the forced-death cult.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So you believe that people should be forced to give up their organs to save the lives of others, then? Someone can live without a kidney - yes, it's a permanent change to their body with a long recovery-time, but they don't need two kidneys, and they should be forced to give one up to save the life of an innocent child, right? If they refuse they're just being greedy.
        Right?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't debate forced-death idiots.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because you know that there's not a single thing about you that's righteous or cares about anything other than controlling and harming women. You just cheered on people abusing trans children for being trans and you're still trying to call yourself the good guy lmao.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There are no trans children, only grooming victims.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Trans kids are the result of shitty parenting tho so it's the parents fault if their kid decides to become Transgender

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >So you believe that people should be forced to give up their organs to save the lives of others, then?
          In the UK, the NHS is one of the more Socialist institutions.
          Do you know what they did the other year?
          Organ donation upon death is now the default option and you have to opt OUT of it instead of opting IN.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's fine - it's still being given a choice.

            >Pro-life people are winning and will continue to win
            Correct.

            They really aren't. The US's Supreme Court decision has only highlighted the complete lack of democratic process or coherency in your horrible country. When one of the reddest states was given the option to vote abortion away, they did the opposite. The rest of the world is looking upon you with sympathy and embarrassment. The man who spearheaded one of the most unpopular choices made by his court has resigned from his position at a school because he's hated so much.

            The only way you were able to get any 'win' at all was to have a loser abuse your flawed system and make a universally-hated call for everyone which they are voting against.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The rest of the world is looking upon you with sympathy and embarrassment.
              >You're supposed to care about the opinion of random people across the world who don't mean anything to you
              Will this ever affect me in any way lol?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is this your attitude when you defecate yourself while grocery shopping as well?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >That's fine - it's still being given a choice.
              Except they implemented it before anybody was told.
              A lot of people WEREN'T given the choice.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If that's indeed the case then yeah, of course that is wrong because it's a violation of their bodily autonomy, and is using the law in completely bad faith. People would have every right to be angry about that.
                Do you think that women deserve bodily autonomy, or are you alright with them having less right to it than corpses?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Do you think that women deserve bodily autonomy
                Absolutely.
                I think they should have the autonomy to not have unprotected sex.
                What is the fetus was female?
                Does THAT female NOT deserve bodily autonomy?

                How can you all say that it is criminal that the government want to take away your right to transition and yet it is fine for somebody to take away a right to life?

                You forget. That fetus is there because of the choices of the mother (in about 99.9% of cases).
                The fetus isn't some parasite that slid up the mothers vagina when she was sleeping alone with 3 sets of pyjamas on.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How can you all say that it is criminal that the government want to take away your right to transition and yet it is fine for somebody to take away a right to life?
                My transition does not require the 9 month prison sentence and subsequent mutilation of another human.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >does not require the 9 month prison sentence
                Don't commit the crime then.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ugh don't pretend sex is for any other purpose than pleasure. Procreation is a side effect.

                >muh nature/god
                Don't care.

                We need another baby boom ngl

                I'll gladly raise a child if someone else births it for me. Unfortunately, adopting as a lesbian couple is a *fucking pain*.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                sex outside the confines of heterosexual monogamy is correlated with mental illness, disease, and early death
                you're projecting your idea of sex onto biology which laughs in your face

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sigh there we go it's never just one issue with you people is it.

                Just curious what's your view on the covid vaccine?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if you're gonna appeal to utilitarianism then you don't disagree with genociding the elderly and reallocating saved medial funds for the youth

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                All elderly? Why? We only need to disown five to ten billionaires (out of the 600ish the USA has). Heck, they can keep a few millions.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >My transition
                YOUR TRANSITION includes the forced labour of those that have to harvest and create the synthetic hormones.
                Your transition forces Doctors to perform surgeries on you and for psychiatrists to affirm your beliefs.
                In this day and age, your transition FORCES those around you to validate you with affirmation.
                Therefore, it should be banned by your logic?

                I disagree with the idea that GOP/MAGA types are EVER "pro-life". They hate life both inside and outside the womb. They could give less of a fuck about the embryos, zygotes, and fetuses killed thanks to pollution, thanks to lack of healthcare, thanks to COVID.

                The ONLY thing they LOOOOOVE is forced birth and nonconsensual pregnancy. That's it, that's all.

                >I disagree with the idea that GOP/MAGA types are
                You might as well stopped there because, as annoting as those types can be, you literally know nothing about them because you are too caught up in your Leftist circle jerk to notice or care about anything outside of it.
                You aren't actually interested in womens rights. You just believe that women shouldn't be allowed to get pregnant as YOU feel it invalidates you.

                Ugh don't pretend sex is for any other purpose than pleasure. Procreation is a side effect.

                >muh nature/god
                Don't care.

                [...]
                I'll gladly raise a child if someone else births it for me. Unfortunately, adopting as a lesbian couple is a *fucking pain*.

                >Ugh don't pretend sex is for any other purpose than pleasure. Procreation is a side effect.
                To be fair, what would you know about sex other than what you see on your monitor?
                This view is one purely of selfish entitlement

                It's like a fat woman complaining that the 47 cupcakes she had for breakfast every morning made her fat so cupcakes should be banned and that she should get compensation.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >forced labour
                Anon what? Do you genuinely think doctors don't want to help trans people but get forced into it by the liberal cabal?

                Your cupcake analogy falls flat when your side is the one generally advocating for abstinence.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Aren't the women the ones in forced Labour

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that I snorted is vaguely hurtful.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You might as well stopped there because, as annoting as those types can be, you literally know nothing about them because you are too caught up in your Leftist circle jerk to notice or care about anything outside of it.
                LMAO. I know enough that they stand for forced birth and nonconsensual pregnancy and in fact I am acquainted with MANY of them in my personal life.

                >You aren't actually interested in womens rights. You just believe that women shouldn't be allowed to get pregnant as YOU feel it invalidates you.
                Actual deranged gibberish from a stupid fucking MAGAidiot. I do believe women have every right to be pregnant and in fact I am consistently pro-choice, in that I believe women should get financial and medical support when they are or want to be pregnant. I just don't think women and girls should be FORCED into pregnancy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I disagree with the idea that GOP/MAGA types are EVER "pro-life". They hate life both inside and outside the womb. They could give less of a fuck about the embryos, zygotes, and fetuses killed thanks to pollution, thanks to lack of healthcare, thanks to COVID.

                The ONLY thing they LOOOOOVE is forced birth and nonconsensual pregnancy. That's it, that's all.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                was for OP, not for you

                >I think they should have the autonomy to not have unprotected sex.
                Contraceptives fail, rape and pressured sex happens. And GOP/MAGA types also are in favor of banning contraceptives and sodomy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I couldn't find any more recent data but it was probably a calculated decision after realizing that younger people are not replenishing the population of the US and did it under the guise of "conservatives are bad" so we won't realize it's the US equivalent of China's One Child Policy

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                GOP types have been screeching about abortion since I was a child (and I'm in my 30s)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh definitely, but I'm a firm believer that when it comes to any nationwide political decisions it's mostly calculated population control in general and the bipartisan divide is nothing more than theatrics

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm engaged to a POC. I'm economically left and donate a bunch to charity and volunteer. I'm anti-war and anti-death penalty and me and my fiance plan to adopt a lot. I don't like abortion because I don't like killing innocents.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All of these are from shitty parenting

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The most telling thing about abortion to me is their response to IVF, where in order to have a healthy baby, several eggs are fertilized with sperm outside the body, with the fetus that appears healthiest being implanted in the mother to grow to term. This is specifically a technique used to bring babies into the world and to let women who've suffered from miscarriages be mothers. Surely people who claim to care so much about babies would be in huge support of this, right?

    But they aren't. Because it involves making a few fetuses and not using them all, 'pro-life' people think that it's evil. I had a discussion with one here, where I presented a trolley problem to him - I said that in one hand, I held the petri dish of frozen fertilized eggs which hadn't been chosen, and in the other hand, I held the newborn baby who'd been selected and had been born safely. I asked which one he thought was more important, and which one he'd prefer I drop on the floor.

    The 'pro-life' poster immediately said that because there were more 'human lives' in the petri dish than a single baby, I should drop the newborn baby to her death, before forcibly implanting all of the fertilized eggs in the mother so that they wouldn't be 'murdered' by not being chosen. And he wasn't shitposting, either - he was losing his mind, ranting and raving about murder - after he'd just said that he thinks the life of a baby is less important than the existence of a handful of fertilized eggs.

    Pro-life people have brains of absolute custard and no morality whatsoever, it's all just self-righteousness and aggression.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Pro-life people are winning and will continue to win
      Correct.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate the notion of "it's okay to kill your baby if it will be poor"
    what's wrong with being poor? and the kid will grow up and be an adult and make their own financial decisions
    makes me so angry these people were blessed with a womb and not me

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's all about power. Women feel incredibly powerful and in charge because they have received the privilege of murdering at will without consequences. They really don't want to give away that privilege because they're worried other advantages they have will also be removed soon. The diversity quotas that place incompetent women in high paying positions in companies they don't benefit with their work. Many more examples of women having everything handed to them on a silver platter in the modern day. Women's sports like the WNBA are a massive financial loss but they are subsidized by the male division of the sport (what people actually want to watch).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This. They get a taste of the power they imagine men at war feel when they're free to rape and pillage to their hearts content. Anybody sane or moral is against all of those things, raping, pillaging, war, and even abortion.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're just a transwoman, so you never, ever even for a moment had to worry about an unwanted pregnancy. It's no surprise you don't have any compassion for women, to you all they are is an ideal to be resented and envied for mogging you by passively existing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why don't you read up on postnatal psychosis, should mothers be allowed to kill unwanted infants?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I am well aware of postnatal psychosis, and that's one of the reasons I support abortion. As abortion has gone up, infanticide has gone down.

          Do you think that forcing an unwanted child upon a mentally ill mother is a good idea? Please, can you explain your reasoning?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it's a great idea because 1. they will not be able to conceive and kill any more babies while they are pregnant 2. they can be locked up after delivery and the child given the blessing of life in another family and will soon be an autonomous adult

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I hope that you're just shitposting and aren't actually this sociopathic.

              >Do you think that women deserve bodily autonomy
              Absolutely.
              I think they should have the autonomy to not have unprotected sex.
              What is the fetus was female?
              Does THAT female NOT deserve bodily autonomy?

              How can you all say that it is criminal that the government want to take away your right to transition and yet it is fine for somebody to take away a right to life?

              You forget. That fetus is there because of the choices of the mother (in about 99.9% of cases).
              The fetus isn't some parasite that slid up the mothers vagina when she was sleeping alone with 3 sets of pyjamas on.

              You cheer on forcing a ten-year-old little child to be forced to give birth to the baby of her rapist father.

              You do not care about the rights of the individual at all, and forced pregnancy is not an appropriate punishment to force upon women for the crime of engaging in sex.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's sociopathic to be a mentally ill woman letting sperm inside of you and then deciding to play god and decide who lives and who dies

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But you're doing that yourself. By refusing to give the pregnant woman a choice, you as a completely uneducated, unempathetic, reactionary male person are playing god both with her life and the life of her potential child - just because you think your opinion is that important. If she kills herself or her baby it's 100% on you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >666
                responding to sociopathy with sociopathy is correct, you would do the same with any other crime against humanity, to hold it to account

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not everyone holds the delusional belief that a fertilized egg is more important than the life of the desperate, terrified, hurting woman who you see only as a disobedient incubator.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the baby is innocent and the mother is guilty, one has more value over the other

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Guilty of what, exactly?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                guilty of responsibility for their actions

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Guilt implies an offense or a crime. What is she guilty of?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A fertilized egg isn't a baby. It doesn't have a developed brain, it is unaware of when it is terminated, and it doesn't 'feel sad' or any of the other nonsense that you people like to claim.

                You act as though every abortion is a late-term thing done for funsies.

                Guilty of what, exactly?

                Being a woman, an unforgiveable crime in the eyes of this specimen.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, trannies (fake women) absolutely despise real women, especially those who can give birth.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                arguing about what stage it gets a human soul is pointless, either it's okay to kill an unwanted child at any point or not at all

                Guilt implies an offense or a crime. What is she guilty of?

                conceiving a child

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >conceiving a child
                snirk. How is that an offense or a crime? Also you do realize that rape and pressured sex exist, as does failed contraceptives, correct?

                >You cheer on forcing a ten-year-old little child to be forced to give birth to the baby of her rapist father.
                When has that happened?
                I know of a case where an illegal immigrant got a 10 year old pregnant...
                Now, which side of the political spectrum encourages illegal immigrants to come here and rape children?
                I can hear you now:
                >You went to the worst case scenario that nearly NEVER happens!
                Just like you.

                Even the pro-life states have measures in place to help a 10 year lld girl because a 10 year old girl would literally never be able to survive pregnancy and childbirth.

                [...]
                >Do you genuinely think doctors don't want to help trans people but get forced into it by the liberal cabal?
                Do you think that 99% of pregnancies are caused by rape?

                [...]
                >I know enough that they stand for nonconsensual pregnancy
                You are acquainted with rapists?
                That says as much about you as it does them.

                >in fact I am consistently pro-abortion
                Ftfy

                >I believe women should get financial support when they are
                I don't. Pay for it.

                >Actual deranged gibberish from a stupid fucking MAGAidiot
                Except. I'm not.
                Speaking of deranged, you are literally coming across like a drooling wreck.
                You are argumentative, combative, you have no real arguments and you are always trying to push worst case scenarios and use the worst type of language.

                >I just don't think women and girls should be FORCED into pregnancy.
                Neither do I, but I'm not the one acquainted with rapists.

                >Even the pro-life states have measures in place to help a 10 year lld girl because a 10 year old girl would literally never be able to survive pregnancy and childbirth.
                Uh no. Many pro-life states make no exceptions for rape. And the youngest child to survive pregnancy was 5, the youngest child to survive normal birth was 6. 10 year olds CAN survive birth. And GOP will absolutely and HAPPILY force them to, for the "crime" of....concieving a child, I guess

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not talking about crime, I'm talking about responsibility, which the mother has and the child has none
                rape and whatever does not excuse murder
                besides, women consider it rape when the guy doesn't text back the day after

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not talking about crime, I'm talking about responsibility, which the mother has and the child has none
                Responsibility includes ending an unwanted pregnancy which she does not consent to.

                >rape and whatever does not excuse murder
                Sex does not excuse nonconsensual pregnancy and forced birth.

                >besides, women consider it rape when the guy doesn't text back the day after
                Just GOPcel things

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                penis in vagina leads to baby, this is elementary
                are you gonna cry when you get nonconsensual aids from anal sex?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >penis in vagina leads to baby, this is elementary
                Rape, pressured sex, and failures of contraception all exist. Sex is not and never has been purely procreative. You will learn this after you stop being a GOPcel

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the conservative talking point is that rapes never lead to pregnancy and anyone who wants an abortion is just some ditzy bimbo whore who is addicted to having abortions because they're fun or something

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                just because humans are depraved doesn't mean sex isn't solely intended for procreation
                I can take dick up my ass where I poop from but guess what, I'm gonna get aids and HIV

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                sex doesn't "intend" for anything anon.
                why do people always think that evolution has like a conscious agency?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                then why does certain behavior lead to mental illness, sickness, and death? almost like your actions are not corresponding with what your biology intended?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >intended
                these things have no conscious agency, anon.

                Really what you're wanting to get at is saying that GOD intends you to have a child every time you have sex according to HIS conscious will and agency and therefore the actions of your body and all life move according to HIS will.

                But for some reason the more zoomer/millenial conservative sympathizers have the same arguments but just replace God with nothing. Very weird.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                bringing up conscience and god is besides the point
                you have evolved to suit your environment, your lungs breathe air and not water, you have feet to walk and not wings to fly, you can't just make up any purpose of them and be surprised when you don't get the expected outcome

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >bringing up conscience and god is besides the point
                it's very much the point.
                you speak of meaning, intentions, and consciousness in relation to biological and evolutionary processes such as this. It's personification at best, teleology at worst.

                If you're going to keep using the Christian arguments, but take God out of it in order to proselytize to heathens for whatever reason, the least you can do is work on your vocabulary.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                your world view is not sustainable because you think you can supersede biology and blame everyone else for unintended consequences instead of acting within your nature

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your post has very little to do with all the helpful advice I just gave you, anon.
                I'd suggest reworking the argument from "intention" and "consequences" more towards something like limitations as it makes more sense in this context.

              • 2 weeks ago
                P. Sevenleaf

                >pressured sex
                Most men don't even see this as a crime in the first place. It's the only way 80% of cis men can get laid.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the youngest child to survive normal birth was 6.
                Who was this?
                Couldn't find her.
                All the others were C Sections.

                >Many pro-life states make no exceptions for rape
                Where did I say rape?
                This was about pregnancies that could cause serious harm or death to the mother and/or baby.

                >And GOP will absolutely and HAPPILY force them to, for the "crime" of....concieving a child, I guess
                There you go again, turning into a quivering, drooling mess.
                Get a hold of yourself man. You're stronger than this!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers

                > Medical concilium of Kharkiv Obstetric and Gynecological Clinic decided to take a natural birth, leaving the option of caesarean section in case of complications during childbirth. Childbirth began July 10, 1931.

                >Where did I say rape? This was about pregnancies that could cause serious harm or death to the mother and/or baby.
                Lol. ALL pregnancies "can" cause serious harm or death to mother and to baby. In fact pregnancy was the number one killer of women prior to modern medical interventions, and the USA, thanks largely in part to the GOP, still has very high maternal and fetal mortality rates thanks to lack of healthcare access.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My apologies.
                I thought we were talking about giving birth to a live child which is what I was looking for.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There is no proof that anything called a 'human soul' exists. I do not believe in your religion, I am not bound by it, and you do not have the right to impose it upon me, or anyone else - especially when you are using it solely to harm others.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and this is why you will lose, because you have no beliefs apart from "let me do what I want no matter what"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I wonder if you hate women because you envy their female bodies or is it just run-of-the-mill conservative retardation.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You cheer on forcing a ten-year-old little child to be forced to give birth to the baby of her rapist father.
                When has that happened?
                I know of a case where an illegal immigrant got a 10 year old pregnant...
                Now, which side of the political spectrum encourages illegal immigrants to come here and rape children?
                I can hear you now:
                >You went to the worst case scenario that nearly NEVER happens!
                Just like you.

                Even the pro-life states have measures in place to help a 10 year lld girl because a 10 year old girl would literally never be able to survive pregnancy and childbirth.

                >forced labour
                Anon what? Do you genuinely think doctors don't want to help trans people but get forced into it by the liberal cabal?

                Your cupcake analogy falls flat when your side is the one generally advocating for abstinence.

                >Do you genuinely think doctors don't want to help trans people but get forced into it by the liberal cabal?
                Do you think that 99% of pregnancies are caused by rape?

                >You might as well stopped there because, as annoting as those types can be, you literally know nothing about them because you are too caught up in your Leftist circle jerk to notice or care about anything outside of it.
                LMAO. I know enough that they stand for forced birth and nonconsensual pregnancy and in fact I am acquainted with MANY of them in my personal life.

                >You aren't actually interested in womens rights. You just believe that women shouldn't be allowed to get pregnant as YOU feel it invalidates you.
                Actual deranged gibberish from a stupid fucking MAGAidiot. I do believe women have every right to be pregnant and in fact I am consistently pro-choice, in that I believe women should get financial and medical support when they are or want to be pregnant. I just don't think women and girls should be FORCED into pregnancy.

                >I know enough that they stand for nonconsensual pregnancy
                You are acquainted with rapists?
                That says as much about you as it does them.

                >in fact I am consistently pro-abortion
                Ftfy

                >I believe women should get financial support when they are
                I don't. Pay for it.

                >Actual deranged gibberish from a stupid fucking MAGAidiot
                Except. I'm not.
                Speaking of deranged, you are literally coming across like a drooling wreck.
                You are argumentative, combative, you have no real arguments and you are always trying to push worst case scenarios and use the worst type of language.

                >I just don't think women and girls should be FORCED into pregnancy.
                Neither do I, but I'm not the one acquainted with rapists.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, birth rates are declining and becoming unsustainable, so I think a better idea would be to craft a scheme to get mentally ill people to voluntarily be infertile and repeal Roe v. Wade so healthy mothers will help rebuild our population

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >do I support abortion? IDK what color is it?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are people sp afraid of eugenics?
    Do you really look at a low IQ fifty-member obese gypsy family and think "yeah, they should keep existing until the end of time"?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only people against eugenics are the type of people who would be ended by it. And I guess they have no self awareness or personal responsibility to think "yeah, I hate myself so it would be shitty to make more people like me" because they keep doing exactly that. They have this inflated sense of importance and zero objectivity. Like my coworker just five minutes ago screamed at a woman on the phone for putting him on hold, called her a bitch, and then hung up and told the room SHE was such a cunt for the way she treated him, without a shred of irony.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Cis >:V

    I am in favor of abortion as a social democrat because I believe in the personal well-being of women, and consequently that pro-choice policies lead to a reduction in the number of abortions.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >pro-choice
      At least use the correct term.
      It is pro-abortion.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can be in favour of legalising it while still believing it should never happen. Abortion is bad, and we should massively invest into sex ed, free contraceptives, and a fucking pill for men.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We need another baby boom ngl

      • 2 weeks ago
        Cis >:V

        Pro-choice seems more moderate.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Pro-choice seems more moderate.
          But not accurate.
          Especially considering the attacks on pregnancy centres

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's Pro-Choice and Anti-Choice, realistically.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Abortion is murder but its a necessary evil.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I deserve a pure virgin tradwife, not some disgusting whore that had a dozen abortions.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As if you'd date a single mom lmao

      Yet more prove that chuds view pregnancy above all as a punishment for women daring to have sex.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every civil rights decision for the past 30-40 years has been the US government timing legislation to big picture reduce child abuse while increasing the birth rate, because when you improve the quality of life of humans, for whatever reason they just stop breeding or working and turn into hedonistic assholes

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The flaw in this logic comes from thinking that people care at all about being hypocritical or contradicting themselves.
    Or even that they really care as much about the topic as they seem to.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    None of the people making the decisions care, at all, about the morality of abortion or how many gay parades or trans marches or Twitter arguments or change.org petitions you have or "Fuck Donald Trump >:(" tiktoks you make. They are committees making slow, hacksaw legislation to guide the wellbeing and survivability of the nation based on trends.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      close until
      >to guide the wellbeing and survivability of the nation
      nobody making decisions cares very much about that

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        At the very least they care about survivability, and overturning Roe v Wade does increase that at the moment

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >At the very least they care about survivability
          not exactly. they care much more about short term gains, returns on short investments, and keeping themselves at the top of the caste system (which is inevitable no matter what they do at this point). They have just changed the argument so that these things all mean the same thing, much to their convenient benefit.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kyle and Karen spawning more crotch goblins to work in the McDonald's drive through supports the social security system

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I doubt they realistically see it in those terms. The people making those decisions are rich and powerful and will be living the good life until they die at 100 even if social security is revoked entirely tomorrow.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The entire economy that supports their happy life will implode if old people, disabled people, and people pretending to be disabled do not get their checks to blow on goods. There is no healthy economy in this era without social security, it is all way too interconnected and they don't want to spend their retirement in bomb shelters

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I doubt they see it that way either, realistically.
                Even if everyone somehow stopped having kids now, something that extreme has to be mentioned because abortion doesn't even come close to possibility account for population growth slowing (not even decline), then the effects would be really felt in the next generation.
                In the gerontocracy we live in those making the decisions will be dead by then. I'd say it's that these kind of decisions feed into the legitimacy of the party as a whole, which in turn gives them power and clout. Doesn't matter much what the decision is as long as it fits the already existing party narrative. This goes for both parties.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It does increase the birth rate. It's only an estimated 11% increase though, marginal but effective. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1508542/

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't believe in their estimation much, tbh. And also this was from over 20 years ago and assumptions would have to be made that all other conditions are exactly the same for that trend they found to be true.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh right, people only became more responsible and gained more self control since then

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bait aside, there have been changes in contraception, pharmaceuticals in general, healthcare, general opinion of abortion, general opinion of contraception, education around both these topics, changes in transportation, changes in technology with regards to shipping appointment making and access of various services but especially with regards to communication of ideas propaganda etc, political change with regards to the landscape of the focus and aim of both parties after bill clintons third way and the tea party and a few new generations of youth.
                Now this doesn't mean that this would cause the trend to not exist (as you imply) or even go the other way but it could cause an even more dramatic patter, we don't fucking know.
                But as always it's easy to say that things were always going to happen this way after they happen, so I'm sure in 20 years we'll be saying the change that's coming was obvious either way.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's pretty straightforward tho. It's a way of ending a pregnancy, and if you eliminate that more pregnancies will be carried to term.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well that is a strong implication that people would be making use of this service if it was available, that there aren't alternatives like advancements in contraception or plan b etc, "do it yourself" options like grabbing pills offline, and importantly that someone who wants an abortion would never want another child, or that they would just keep having children instead of stopping at 1 or 2 children. This itself has a lot of societal implications that are subject to change the more society changes.

                So no it's not really straightforward, as is even mentioned in that paper.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nawwww people are gonna fuck up

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ?

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People being anti-abortion makes sense when you realize that their main motivator is simple hatred and resentment of women, and the desire to harm and punish them. Just look at this thread.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Close your legs, whore.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They are building a world where people ready to be parents will settle down and be trad husband and wife out of highschool, meanwhile everyone else will decide they were born gay at 14 and then decide they were born bisexual at 29 when they're ready to join the trads

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, how could you tell?

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    whyr ameritrads so obssessed with abortions, their unelected law making billionaires ingrained it in them that they must accept clown world *~~)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      israelites aren't bad. Ur stupid I hate u.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i mean trannies alone are super disgusting, but so are abortions, also love how mentally ill is right under transgender pretty much sums it up

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