This is undeniably the best piece of hardware that has come out of the last decade, and I cannot fucking wait for it to axe the shitty deprecated USB-A standard.
USB-Chads stay winning.
This is undeniably the best piece of hardware that has come out of the last decade, and I cannot fucking wait for it to axe the shitty deprecated USB-...
It would be if there was some kind of enforced minimum standard for this bullshit. My phone has usb-c but it's 2.0 compatible and that's it nothing else so it feels archaic despite being a relatively new port. USB-C should have waited until it is at bare minimum TB3 compatible but no, now we have this mess where "usb-c" port can mean like 20 different standards and it's all a giant mess.
yep, it's just a connector type
imo it's rather dumb to use the same connector for everything. now just because a cable fits doesn't mean it'll do what you expect. and the capabilities aren't printed on the cable so it's just a mystery if you have a box of old cables which one might work.
USB as a whole is fucked anyway. 3.x can be anywhere between 500MB/s and 2.5GB/s. USB-PD means you'll get anywhere between 5W and 240W, but only safely if you're negotiating correctly (the Switch being famously bad for not doing so and frying itself). USB 4 is basically owned by Intel and based on TB4, for better or worse, and despite being only a few years old already has the same issue as 3 where the top and bottom ends of the throughpit spectrum is like 5x, but retailers can broadly sell as "USB 4".
>the Switch being famously bad for not doing so and frying itself
you mean when chinese docks send 9 volts to CC pin?
my phone port is full of lint and never needed cleaning for 5 years
Its all manufactured in China and I've never had that problem. You get what you pay for.
This.
It's a mess and we will get even more retarded cables with different capabilities and lock-out of third party hardware.
Thanks EU for this mess..
>Thanks EU for this mess..
The EU only picked up the most popular industry standard. USB was truly universal for peripherals before (except displays), and fuck DC connectors, which a lot were physically compatible but not electrically compatible.
>The stupid port also can't decide if it is male or female. Perfect for current year.
kek
>The EU only picked up the most popular industry standard.
They didn't even do that.
The EU asked industry which port they wanted to be the standard.
>The EU asked industry which port they wanted to be the standard.
Even better, the industry can't say the choice was forced on them.
Death to DC connectors. Although PD sucks too.
How is that better?
You want to standardize connectors, but you give the choice to the industry, which will choose something that allows them to throw their own proprietary incompatible extensions on it.
At the end, everything got worse. Now i got cables that i don't know if they work, unless i plug them in and try.
I guess you can pat yourself on the back and shift blame to the evil corporations again...
I blame the USB committee for producing garbage.
>everyone is at fault except the EU. The bureaucrats who take bribes from lobbyists are perfect.
They resisted one of the largest lobbyists, Apple. Might as well look at it as win against lobbyists.
>they resisted lobbyisits
>by asking them and letting them decide what they want to do and allow Apple to do their USB-C/Thunderbolt™ garbage
I hope the EU will drag you further into Ukraine and forces you to ride on a Leopard into a minefield, you retarded cattle.
Everything that got decided is vastly favoring Apple and your EU roasties in Brussel just got exposed as paid whores for Saudis just a few months ago.
Apple planed to get rid of Lightning after 10 years.
The EU did exactly nothing.
this usb 3/c isnt universal its a pita to the stage where i needed a pass thru dongle to tell me if my fucking charger cable or phone is actually charging
This. I was pissed when a bought a new phone with a USB-C port and turned out the only bonus it had was fast charging, with 2.0 speeds otherwise. So no fast transfers, no video output over USB-C, etc. What a load of bullshit.
Don't even get me started on the israeliteing with thunderbolt and how it's arbitrarily limited to mainly higher end hardware just as a way of forcing you to pay extra for shit you don't need. God forbid I get a cheap no-frills laptop with a thunderbolt port.
Apparently USB 3.0 leaks radio waves that interfere with phone functions so they don't put it in phones anymore.
No it safes some traces on the PCB so it makes it easier to design the board.
And there’s no clear markings on USB C cables so even my android phone won’t charge sometimes if I don’t have the perfect cable, which I’m not even sure what type of cable it wants. Just trial and error. And I have decided like this rechargeable massager that won’t charge unless it’s a USB A to C cable. Won’t charge from any wall brick that is USBC. It’s ridiculous.
Yeah we need some sort of universal standard for these cables pffaaaahahahaha
Little bit of dust vs. your tiny pins that are supposed to carry up to 80 gbits of data and 40V 5A of power with no mechanical retention.
Who would win?
This port is absolute garbage. They are also a lot more fragile than anything before.
A PC with a DVI cable could be used as a flail and everything would break before the port breaks.
How many devices become garbage with just a little bit of dirt inside or a minor mechanical problem.
The stupid port also can't decide if it is male or female. Perfect for current year.
It can never be as durable as USB-A or DP.
usb c is cool and all but i hate buying usb c to x adapters because i aint paying out the ass for my monitor or whatever the fuck to use usb c.
one cable dream is never going to be a thing, picking the right cable is simpler than figuring out if your appliance can do pd, audio accessory mode or whatever the fuck they keep adding and not making it a mandatory spec
I agree.
If connectors are different, i know what fits and what doesn't fit.
If i have the same connector, but it can carry a dozen different protocols with different capabilities, i never know what is compatible and what isn't.
I use a USB C port on my laptop to plug in a GPU.
You can't do that with USB A.
The problem is not the protocols that are used but the port itself.
All of this alt mode stuff and power delivery could have been done with Displayport connector or an even better connector with proper mechanical retention and would lead to a more stable connection, longer cables and longer lasting devices.
Who makes good usbc cables? Every one I’ve had had failed in a few months even in stationary use.
The first step is to admit you're the problem. Anyone who complains about usb c durability is a fucking retarded gorilla who treats its hardware like garbage.
There is no cable that's gorilla rated.
I’m not the problem though. The cables are just fragile compared to other types. I’m very gentle with all my cables and electronics
I've started using usb c about five years ago, every single device I have now uses usb C. I have three devices two chargers and two cables this entire time. 5 years later not a single port is broken, not a single cable has gone wrong, all my devices are fine too. I've never had what people describe as "not connecting" or "not fitting" or "dust problems" or whatever the fuck else.
Clearly my experience is purely a coincidence.
This is LULZ, homosexuals here complain about everything like it’s life or death and will straight up make stories up about how bad $X is no matter how well it works.
That's a you problem.
Literally every USB C cable I've ever used is still working fine.
You idiots are talking about micro B not C
It does not break immediately, first it starts to get kind of loose, then it stops retaining then it stops being reversible before it catastrophically fails.
This happens over 6-12 months every time.
Sorry that I actually got a chink pad and actually plugin shit in and out each day.
Just look at Apple, they brought back Magsafe and made every USB-C port an external component that is not soldered to the mainboard anymore and connected with an additional flatband cable with the 2021 Macbooks.
If Apple goes through that trouble after embracing the USB-C meme port then as the first company something has to be wrong.
I will just get the Framework at least there i can switch the port if it failes every 6 months.
the only device i have which is usb-c is my phone, which is from 2016, and its' usb-c port is still perfectly fine, and it gets plugged in nearly every day (and yes i've had it since 2016)
Having my laptop connected with a single wire to a docking station that has three monitors, all my USB peripherals, ethernet and power is indeed impressive, but the fact that cables are not standardized is fucking retarded.
I went to my grandparents house and I laughed when I noticed they switched all their A to micro usb A cables to
USB A to C cables so they can keep using their old bricks .
I was at the airport recently and it was refreshing to see all new seats and charging stations with brand new usb A ports.
Usb A chads keep winning.
>USB-C charging cable for my phone
>forget that it's plugged in and pull the phone
>Cable just disconnects, nothing damaged, port can deal with it just fine
...
>USB-C used to connect my external drive to my netbook
>it disconnects during writing, just because i look at it wrong
almost as if different usecases need different connectors?
if it's not USB-C hard disks will just use USB-A to micro USB-A (3.X)
I feel like the meaning of "universal" has gone awry.
I have one of those 'docking bay' dongles for laptop, you plug laptop charger into it, than plug it into USB-C laptop power, and you have external monitors and crap on it.
I plug it one side facing up into laptop, perfectly fine. I turn it around, try to plug it - harsh scraping sound like I am bending and destroying pins.
The pins are too small, too precise, it is asking for trouble, not robust enough. This is not a secure connection.
And USB-A was problematic to start with, if you wiggle left-right it was easy to short +5V to data line and fry whole device you plugged in.
>use USB-C+Thunderbolt™ port -> try to flash phone -> it fails with an obscure error
>use USB-A port -> try to flash phone -> it succeeds
fuck your mystery ports with obscure capabilities that you never know
I bought a USB-C 2,5" drive enclosure. Both USB-C ports cannot retain a stable connection, any small vibration like TYPING makes the connection unstable.
The port on the case is loose and the port i connect it to also became loose after a while.
I replaced the case with an mini USB 3.0 case and USB-A cable. The port is even shittier, but at least the connection is stable
life is a series of connections
>plug in usb c to usb c to a device with usb c port
>doesnt work
>plug in usb A to usb c to a device with usb c port
>okay now I can charge
T-hanks usb c standardisers
Skill issue
i wish everything was ethernet.
And then anon was ethernet.
people complaining about USB c should be glad it's all electrically compatible, not like the 90s D-sub connector nonsense we had back then.
>Yes stop complaining, it could be worse.
But why?
It could also be better.
>USB-A with USB 2.0
>tiny vibrations cause disconnections
>even nearby ESD discharges seem to affect it
USB was always shit.
If i plug a microUSB cable into a microUSB port, i know that it works.
It might do the "oh noo, not enough power :(" cuckery, but it will still charge (just slower), i can transfer data, i can use it for tethering and whatever the device supports.
If i use a USB-C to USB-C cable to connect devices together, i can make a prayer to the USB gods and hope that whatever i want to do, is supported.
I know... i know... in 99% of cases, people just want to charge their phone... but you WILL experience a case of incompatibility at some point and it WILL annoy the hell out of you. Happened to me, i hate USB-C ever since.
i haven't used usb-c for anything i didn't use a usb 1 cable for, because it's just not clear what supports what or what it will even do if i plug it in
if i plug my phone into my computer, it will do what a usb 1 cable did, it will charge and let me use usb stuff to talk to the phone, fine, anything else? idk, will it charge faster? idk, i'm not looking through my mobo manual to find out, if it even says what it supports
if i plug a phone into another phone? no idea, can you even do that? will one charge another? how do you tell which direction that goes? can you transfer files or something?
no i haven't looked into it so maybe this sounds unfair, but i'm in a position normal people are surely also in, it's a port which looks the same but can do many things, which sounds convenient but it also makes it opaque, as in it's not obvious what it will or can do in a particular scenario, which is not convenient
Most normies use USB-A -> USB-C cables, because ordinary consumer hardware still has lots of USB-A ports while only one or two USB-C.
Those normies won't experience incompatibility, because the USB-A side will never be some Thunderbolt™ bullshit.
Other normies use Apple and buy Apple®Thunderbolt™ cables. They will be fine with USB-C -> USB-C, because they don't expect a Non-Apple Certified Cable to work anyway.
No bad surprises, only expectations.
It will take years and a broad USB-A fade-out to actually make the ridiculous incompatibilities visible to ordinary people.
And by then, it's already too late.
why is it so wide? lightning is very small
My phone has a usb-c port. My PC motherboard has a usb-c port. I bought a usb-c cable rated for usb4/tb blah blah blah, some quality shit.
Doesn't get detected. For whatever reason it just doesn't work. For connecting to my pc I have to instead use a shitty usb-c-to-a cable. Fuck usb-c
Really wonder if the rumors are true that apple is going to punish european iphone buyers with the most shit version of usb C in existence just so that apple can say "see, our cable and connector were beter afterall"
One can only hope, anon, one can only hope.
Doubt they're making another model for that. The normal 15 models will have USB 2.0 and the pros thunderbolt 4. The app store stuff for eu is being enabled through software alone
I'd prefer Thunderbolt to go so low in price it costs nothing to the PC makers and the consumers, and every port on the computer is just Thunderbolt. USB as a whole is a mess; there are many parts in the USB-C spec that effective tells the manufacturers "this is optional, you may exclude this feature in your cable and let the customers only know by fucking around and finding out", and also there's the shenanigans that is USB 3 renaming every earlier versions of the specs whenever a new one comes out so you can't effectively know how much bandwidth you can actually get just by reading the label "USB 3.2" which might turn out to be "USB 3.2 Gen 1", which is effectively goddamn USB 3.0 (5Gbps, 625MB/s theoretical max) before the renaming.
It's as if the USB forum intentionally does all these things to confuse the hella consumer market…
It would be cool to have a keyboard or a mouse with Thunderbolt and a direct PCIE interface so it can do hardware interrupts.
But it will never become cheap no matter how much you make of it.
I feel like the cables themselves need some kind of standardized markings that indicate what they can do.
It's not just the cables, putting Thunderbolt and USB C together was a mistake, honestly even making it so that USB could carry HDMI and the like was a mistake
There was a dream of a single connector that could be used for everything, and USB C is a great connector, but they fucked up so hard with USB standards, and they have fucked that up over and over, USB 3.2x2 USB 3.1 gen 1 who the fuck knows what any of those actually mean, who knows what can carry an HDMI signal, how fast it can transfer data, anything, it's all so meaningless without some kind of minimum standard for the cables
I have an HDMI to USB C cable, and because of the clusterfuck of hardware packed into it, and because of the nature of the signals you can't plug it into a USB C extension cable, which is something a lot of people expect you could do based on everyone's experience with other USB connections
Normies will unironically be mad
Combining video with charging and data is still great though.
I do agree everything should be marked better and it is annoying we now have two common ways of sending video over USB-C that aren't compatible.
(btw: it's normally not HDMI but DisplayPort signals they send over USB-C "alternate mode")