>This guy Dhu'l Qarnayn built a giant wall to keep Gog and Magog out.

>This guy Dhu'l Qarnayn built a giant wall to keep Gog and Magog out. They will only be released at the End of Times
OK, so where is this wall now with Gog and Magog behind it? I've looked and the only responses by Muslims I get are either "Allah knows" (in other words, I don't have a fricking clue) or excuses ("maybe the wall is under the earth (despite the Quran saying it's between two mountains), or in another dimension")

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's a metaphor you hecking chud.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No it isn't you moron. Even Muhammad said Gog and Magog had already made an opening in the wall

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        too bad there’s scant historical evidence for muhammads existence, try again abdul. it’s about Alexander the Great.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'm responding to the claim that the wall is meant to be a metaphor, not arguing that Muhammad was Dhu'l Qarnayn or something like that

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          there is scant historical evidence for alexander the great's existence

          and don't fricking @ me.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >there is scant historical evidence for alexander the great's existence
            You mean besides the various accounts, the cities he founded, the buildings he ordered and the coins he had minted bearing his image?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            cry harder sandrat lover; you have no real history. the arabs zerg rushed collapsing empires then made up a bunch of horseshit

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >muhammad was just a title lmao
            you revisionists are something else

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Malachi isn’t a proper name. It means “My messenger” and he was called the seal of the prophets. even israelites acknowledge this. sort of like how you say the Paraclete is conveniently “ahmed” (which is not the name muhammad btw it’s ahmed)
            >Zechariah was the last of the prophets; but the more commonly received opinion, and the truest, is, that Malachi was the last;
            >hence Aben Ezra calls him "the end of the prophets"; and by Kimchi he is said to be "the last of them"; and sometimes, by the Rabbins, “the seal of the prophets" by whom they are all sealed up, concluded, and finished.
            >His name signifies "my angel", as is commonly said; though Hillerus makes it to signify "the angel of the Lord";
            >hence some have thought that he was not a man, but an angel; and so the Septuagint render in the first verse Mal 1:1,"by the hand of his angel"

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        There is a popular alternate theory that Gog and Magog is some kind of magma, and the wall that holds them are volcano itself. Realistically a huge ass volcanic eruption can fricks up the planet big time.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Hahahahahahahahhahaha

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        ...which is another metaphor. you moron. interpret everything as a symbol and go from there.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Just like Dhu'l Qarnayn seeing the sun sets in water?

      >“Abu Dharr (one of Muhammad’s close companions) was with Muhammad during the sunset. Muhammad asked him: ‘Do you know, O Abu Dharr where this sun sets?’ He answered; ‘God and His apostle know better.’ Muhammad said: ‘It sets in a spring of slimy water’” – al-Zamakhshari, The Kahshaf (3rd Edition, Vol. 2, p. 743, 1987)

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        God damn. How can over a billion people look at this and think "yeah, they got it right".

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The Quran is weapons grade brainwashing. I used to be your typical anti-Muslim but since learning about hypnosis I’ve developed a great appreciation for the Quran. It’s a powerfully engineered book. The repetition isn’t a bug, it’s a feature. You could almost say it’s actually divine, were it not for its fruits. The only conclusion therefore is that it’s diabolical.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >give to the poor
            >diabolical
            Black person.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >poor can read Quranic Arabic and accompanying hadiths

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Easily. Arabic wasn't gatekept by a class of clergymen, unlike, say, latin.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Latin wasn't gatekept. The demotic languages were splintering over time. That's basically what happened with Arabic.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Language spoken every day throughout a centuries old empire
            >developing langue that had yet to introduce vowel marks

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Latin-style vowels would be unadapted to Arabic because only consonants and long vowels carry meaning in Arabic words. Writing short vowels like consonants would make it harder to read, you wouldn't be able to recognize word roots and you wouldn't know which vowels to pronounce long or short.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            the hadiths and sira were literally written centuries after “Muhammad” allegedly died, give me a fricking break, no group of people on planet earth would ever be tolerate if they posited this as their history but you can’t say anything to abdul cause he might cut your head off. it’s insane.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            which makes saying the koran is for the poor even more absurd. It stayed with the leaders and the regular people just listened

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            the Koran is a corpus of much
            preexisting literature and makes much more sense if you read it from the perspective of preaching antitrinitarian sectarian Christians.

            >muhammad was just a title lmao
            you revisionists are something else

            we have to revise it because your version is ludicrously based on impossible and/or highly improbable ahistorical drivel. you even have to shoehorn [O Muhammad!] and [O Prophet!] into the book God allegedly wrote himself because it’s not there in the original book God wrote, well I guess the parts Uthman didn’t burn right?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Latin wasn't gatekept. The demotic languages were splintering over time. That's basically what happened with Arabic.

            The quran is recited and memorized by muslims of every facet of society, not merely by classes of elites. And regardless of a muslim's native tongue, daily prayers require the recitation in it's original language, not some dialect or translation.

            the Koran is a corpus of much
            preexisting literature and makes much more sense if you read it from the perspective of preaching antitrinitarian sectarian Christians.
            [...]
            we have to revise it because your version is ludicrously based on impossible and/or highly improbable ahistorical drivel. you even have to shoehorn [O Muhammad!] and [O Prophet!] into the book God allegedly wrote himself because it’s not there in the original book God wrote, well I guess the parts Uthman didn’t burn right?

            You clowns completely disregard numerous attestable physical existing locations and events associated with them in favor of nonsense like the Petra origin "theory". You seem to pretend that places such as Badr, Uhud, and Hira, for example, never existed when they clearly do.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I didn’t mention Petra you did. There is literally no evidence for Muhammad to Husain and everyone inbetween existing. Show me if there is. There is not. Muawiya was only called a servant of God and his letter says return to the god of Abraham. No Islam. Nothing like that. It’s a later thing.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            He's literally buried under this dome.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            no proof just a claim

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Then dig him up Black person. You don't let us dig him up coz yall know theres nothing in there. Supposedly he has a body that doesn't degrade. Let's see that.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            He's literally buried under this dome.

            Show us this while you’re at it too

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >repeat words that you don't know the meaning
            If that's such a full proof plan for preservation why is the burmingham or topki manuscripts different from each other and the koran used by the majority of muslims?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Different how?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Giga cope. Only muslims zealots learn more than the bare minimum. The rest is passed down from clerics.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >source: Moshe Horowitz Foundation
            Every muslim boy and girl was expected to memorize the Qur'an in the past and in the present to be able to recite it completely and accurately. Can Christians or israelites say the same about their scripture?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Quote 2 suras that show irrefutable proof that Mohamed is talking to God. Off the top of your head please.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >irrefutable proof
            kuffar will always find a way to dismiss revalation like the israelites of old.
            >Off the top of your head please.
            Al-Baqarah and Ar-Rahman are beautiful in a very special way.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Ar Rahman the pagan God of mecca before Mohammed and brought into Islam wholesale?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            There were many pagan 'gods' in Mecca before Islam

            Present your proof and I'll judge it. Stand and deliver Black person

            Read the Quran

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            All of them imported into Islam. To name a few Ar Rahman Al Lat Al Lah, Al Zat, Manat, Al Uzza hahahahahhaha

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Present your proof and I'll judge it. Stand and deliver Black person

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >require the recitation in it's original language, not some dialect or translation
            so ~90% of muslims don’t know have a clue what they are saying due to them not knowing arabic but they know they have to say it

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Mahomed and all his companions were illiterate thus the Quran was inaccessible to them too.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Djibril was Satan, masquerading as an angel of light, as we have been warned by the apostles and in the book of revelation.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The same way they can look at the surahs being just insults at people opposing Muhammad and say "this is the word of God".

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Because they execute anyone who questions it. So naturally what's left is brainless animals who eat it up.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine the IQ level of these 2 morons, one to say it and the other to believe it. They were moronic absolutely.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Farid Responds has a good video about this

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          And the other guy mad another video about the subject

          Problem for muslims is that many of their sources take the sun setting in water literally

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Like the splitting of the moon?

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It’s talking about Alexander the Great and this is widely accepted by anyone who isn’t an ideological sandBlack person

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No, it isn't.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The Syriac Alexander Legend is copied from the Quran

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No it isn't. But even if it was that doesn't matter. The legend about Alexander the Great building a wall to keep Gog and Magog out goes back to at least the first century historian Josephus, and thus clearly predates the Quranic story of Dhul Qarnayn

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Quran - 7th Century
          >Alexander Romance - 18th century
          dude...

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Earliest copy =/= when text was originally written you absolute moron
            >These works include the Syriac Legend of Alexander, the composition of which is commonly attributed to north Mesopotamia around 629-630 CE, shortly after Heraclius defeated the Persians.[7] However, some have argued that the Syriac recension was originally produced in an earlier form in the early 6th century and was updated in the early 7th century in light of then-contemporary apocalyptic themes.[10] Another position taken up by some scholars is that the text was composed around the Byzantine-Sassanid events surrounding the year 614.
            But again, it doens't even matter because we know the basic legend goes back to Josephus in the first century. As you so conveniently ignored

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >commonly attributed
            >However, some have argued
            >Another position taken up by some scholars
            So you have nothing except posting useless wikipedia passages. Just admit you dont have the evidence

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I could go into more detail, but again for the umpteenth time, it doesn't matter. We know the legend about Alexander building a wall to keep out Gog and Magog goes back to Josephus in the first century, so long before the Quran.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Alexander The Gay is not Du Al Qarnanyn you homosexual
      Alexander was a pagan cuck who died before reaching the edge of the east, meanwhile Du Al Qarnayn was a monotheist king who reach the edge of both east and west of the world

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        seethe sandBlack person lover

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Romance#Syriac_versions

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >The Syriac version of the Alexander Romance is preserved in five manuscripts, the oldest of which was compiled in 1708-09

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >OK, so where is this wall now with Gog and Magog behind it?

    Here's a map of Tartaria. Notice in the far northeast edge of Siberia, west of Alaska, a land named "Gog". That's where Gog is. The wall is the great wall of China built centuries before to stop the people of Gog, who at the time were related to the Xiognu and Saka. If you guys came to my Tartary thread you could have seen this!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Chinese Emperor Alexander
      So cursed it overflows and becomes blessed

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The Quran says the wall was made of iron and copper. The great wall of China is not made of these.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The Quran is full of shit. It talks about random things with no idea what the actual context is. They just flowered up the speech based on legends they were hearing far away. Same thing in the Old Testament. It's 100% grade F bullshit and for every historical mention there's a historical failure to represent facts. It's like how the Deir Alla Inscription proves Beor son of Ballam lived but he wasn't a monotheist, he was explicitly a polytheist. Abrahamism is historical BS and the sooner you chop away all the excess and just take the roots of each passage the better you'll be off. They're extremely anti-historical texts.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          ^

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >It's like how the Deir Alla Inscription proves Beor son of Ballam lived but he wasn't a monotheist, he was explicitly a polytheist.
          The Bible says that Beor son of Ballam was a polytheist who God spoke to, but still ended up being wicked.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This thread has been going all day, and not one answer that's even close
    Dhu'l Qarnayn is believed to be Alexander the Great.
    The wall was in Derbent. That's in the Caucasus Mountains, the historical land of the tribes of Gog and Magog. The wall has since come down, but either way once the Renaissance happened, the action shifted to Europe from the Mideast, where they simply walked across the plain and migrated to Germany, then established the Rothschild line and the rest is history

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao. Show proof of wall or stfu your baseless claims are worth nothing and your credibility is zero.
      Stand and deliver Black person

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    holy frick these people are stupid. It's the Gorgan Wall on the east end of the Caspian Sea. 180km long wall erected by the Sassanids to keep out Huns.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, that's where the legend comes from. But we know now that there is no Gog and Magog still there behind the wall.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Alexander the great was Greek(Macedonian in fact, tracian) not Persian. Black person

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Sassanids
      Iranians*
      >Huns
      Magyars*, the real Huns were in eastern Iran

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody actually knows exactly what or where Gog, Magog and the Wall is. But classical scholars thought of them as a race of humans descending from Japheth, this narrative comes from Genesis. Dr. Ali Ataie has a very compelling explanation of the story. He contends that Dhul-Qarnayn is Alexander, but he maintains that Alexander was a israeli monotheist or convert to Judaism based on israeli legends of him merting the High Priest in Jerusalem. He argues that the Qur'an is arguing against the belief of the time and our times that Alexander was a pagan homosexual greek. The narrative of Alexander we know today is solely from Greek pagan sources, while legends from other cultures(likely influenced by Islam) seems to indicate his monotheism and righteousness. Note: The name Alexander is used from Scotland(Alaistar) all the way to Malaya(Iskandar)

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Nobody actually knows exactly what or where Gog, Magog and the Wall is.
      Not exactly making the Quran look good here.
      >Dr. Ali Ataie has a very compelling explanation of the story. He contends that Dhul-Qarnayn is Alexander, but he maintains that Alexander was a israeli monotheist or convert to Judaism based on israeli legends of him merting the High Priest in Jerusalem. He argues that the Qur'an is arguing against the belief of the time and our times that Alexander was a pagan homosexual greek. The narrative of Alexander we know today is solely from Greek pagan sources, while legends from other cultures(likely influenced by Islam) seems to indicate his monotheism and righteousness.
      I don't have much respect for Muslim apologetics, but that's the most desperate claim I've ever heard.
      We have inscriptions from Alexander himself dedicating temples to Greek Gods, such as the Priene Inscription, which says
      >King Alexander dedicated the Temple to Athena Polias
      Or coins like pic related, minted in the last years of his life, with Alexander on one side and the god Zeus on the other side.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I am myself not personally convinced that Dhul-Qarnayn is Alexander, but that Alexander is some sort of Antitype of Dhul-Qarnayn, that he is similar to Darius. Much of the Apocalyptic verses of the Qur'an are shrouded in mystery, Allah says only He has knowledge of the Hour. Many things can be interpreted metaphorically and many literally, in short, no one really knows but Allah by what exactly does He mean when He says the sky shall be folded like a scroll, or that the sky will turn to a rosy colour. We may speculate but only Allah knows.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          In other words, nobody has a fricking clue?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. Muslims do not shy away from the truth.

            >Dr. Ali Ataie has a very compelling explanation of the story.
            Source on Ataie stating this?

            1:10:00-1:12:00

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You can’t talk about real life with these people. They speak in legends and myths. They say angels assisted soldiers in battles. This is not history. That’s why you’re not getting an answer

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >This is not history
            says the guy using 18th century manuscripts to "disprove" a 7th century text
            >b-but the story was compiled earlier trust me

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            that’s a different anon you are disputing with and your discourse with him is separate from my statement about you people which is still true

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          If Quran is impenetrable it's worthless as well. Nice way of shooting yourself in the head.
          Let me explain, Christian's know what gods plan is and what He wants us to do. If we go astray we know we are in dissonance with God and we know it is our fault.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >If Quran is impenetrable it's worthless as well.
            Allah reveals and shrouds what he wills.
            >Christian's know what gods plan is and what He wants us to do.
            You do not.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            If Allah reveals and shrouds you are just his pawn and you are a puppet on a string.
            We as Christians know the law
            Love God with all your hearts mind and soul
            Love thy neighbour like yourself.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes we are slaves to Allah

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Hahahahahhahahahahajajajajajajajajajaajjajajaajjaajajajajajajjajajaajajjajaaj
            Allah is just the God prophesied in the old testament hahahahaha Allah is Satan kek

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            We are either slaves to God or slaves to desire.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >slaves to desire
            That line is from attack on titan

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's actually from some Christian philosopher. The idea of submission to God transcends religious boundaries.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            No. Cope, you coped that rationalisation up for the existence of a non-objective anti-truth.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Or slave to Satan.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Why would Satan promote modesty, punishment for immorality and piety, idiot?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Who is this Al-Lah? for us there is but one God, the Father. Why don’t you just say “God”? It’s so frickin irritating, that, and having to read the pbuh shit every time it’s written. Its so cringe and arbitrary reminds me so of some hipster shit

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Because it's his name in the Quran, written in Arabic. Allah isn't a father

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Dr. Ali Ataie has a very compelling explanation of the story.
      Source on Ataie stating this?

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >The Syriac version of the Alexander Romance is preserved in five manuscripts, the oldest of which was compiled in 1708-09
    uh bros?

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You’re all going to stand in front of Allah SWT one day and he will confront you about the things you said about him in this thread. Then he will show you your eternal abode and you will regret everything.

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