They're a mystery people that appeared from thin air in the 15th century and the best theory people have is that ancient Illyrians just hid in th...

They're a mystery people that appeared from thin air in the 15th century and the best theory people have is that ancient Illyrians just hid in the mountains for 1000 years!?
What the frick???

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    > just hid in the mountains for 1000 years

    Whats crazy about that ?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That's a long time! How did nobody know they were up there?? There's slavs and Greeks and other things and whole empires running around and nobody found these guys cause nobody checked?! This is completely astounding to me

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesn't even know about basques

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody lost the Basques!

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          except basques were always accounted for all the way back to roman times

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Greeks though Mt Olympus was the home of the gods and not one fedora tier Christian ever bothered to climb mount Olympus and say he didn't see any god's up there to prove why paganism was false and Christianity was the true faith.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Same foes for Basques

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >he doesn't even know about basques

      Basques were documented in the middle ages, they even killed Roland

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The French writer Aimon de Varenes wrote in 1188 one of the most famous and read works of the Medieval Period, entitled “The Roman of Florimont”.
    Though it´s just a fairytale with many historical anachronisms and heavily French style influenced it tell the story of prince Florimont of Albania and his adventures.

    https://blogs.bl.uk/digitisedmanuscripts/2016/05/florimont.html

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Are you sure he's not talking about the other albania?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yes Im sure a frech author was a expert in caucasian politics of the pre roman times

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It's not political book though, it's a collection of folktales and apparently isn't that accurate if anon is to be believed. Folktales borrowing the name of a random faraway country isn't uncommon. The oldest story of Aladdin was set in China for example

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Wait, he was talking about Roman times? Then he would've been talking about them *before* they disappeared. That doesn't mean he knew they were hiding in the mountains. Obviously the Greeks and Romans knew about the Thracians, Dacians and Illyrians.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Bords de l' adriaticue
        >Duc de Duras
        Close to Adriatic sea, Duke of Durres, Dyrrahium

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the illyrian thing is incorrect but common because most of the peddling is from albanian nationalists.
    Toponymy suggests they are a bit further inland paleo-balkan people.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know about anybody but the Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians and Greeks in the balkans before the slavs showed up

      The French writer Aimon de Varenes wrote in 1188 one of the most famous and read works of the Medieval Period, entitled “The Roman of Florimont”.
      Though it´s just a fairytale with many historical anachronisms and heavily French style influenced it tell the story of prince Florimont of Albania and his adventures.

      https://blogs.bl.uk/digitisedmanuscripts/2016/05/florimont.html

      So *some* people knew about them, but they just weren't widely known? That makes more sense I guess.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >So *some* people knew about them, but they just weren't widely known?
        People barely knew anything about anyone back then, the period between 5th century and around 11th century in entire Europe is extremely blurry and some things are just speculations at best.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You've also got the Paeonians roughly in modern-day North Macedonia, likely related to the Thracians, and the Dardanians, likely related to the Illyrians, roughly in modern-day Kosovo.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Dardanians seem a good bet and they were basically Illyrians or closely related

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It´s Slavs that are obsessed with Illyrians, If anything Albanians used to "larp" as Epirotes or Ancient Macedonians, Illyrians were seen as savage barbarian people.
      In this Albanian-Latin dictionary from 17th century it says:
      Epirus=Arbeni, old name for Albania
      Illyris=Shkienia, Slavland.
      It´s linguistics that connect Albanian with ancient peoples like Illyrians

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        kek Epirotes and Macedonians were also considered semi-barbarian by other Greeks

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Same thing with Kurds, they just materialized one day and said, "We wuz Medes"

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Same goes for Romanians and we wuz Dacians

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Dardanians seem a good bet and they were basically Illyrians or closely related

      These races disappearing for centuries then popping up and saying "hey guys we're back" amuses me

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I hypothesize that they are not human, and are in fact foreign invaders from either another planet or another dimension. The only people to have realized this so far are Serbs and Greeks

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It was a timeline bug.
    The Illyrians were Romanised timeline merged with the Albanian timeline.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They're mentioned in Greek records as early as the 11th century, the 15th century is just when they became famous from the exploits of skanderbeg.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It’s just the most convenient theory we have yet because while there may not be entirely true, we also have no evidence of a major migration or conquest that would make them not illiryans, plus given that they speak one of the oldest languages in Europe you just have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >In the 2nd century AD, Ptolemy, the geographer and astronomer from Alexandria, drafted a map that shows the city of Albanopolis (located Northeast of Durrës). Ptolemy also mentions the Illyrian tribe named Albanoi
    >In the 6th century AD, Stephanus of Byzantium in his important geographical dictionary entitled Ethnica (Εθνικά)[20] mentions a city in Illyria called Arbon (Greek: Αρβών), with its inhabitants called Arbonios (Greek: Αρβώνιος) and Arbonites (Greek: Αρβωνίτης).
    >The Arbanasi people are recorded as being 'half-believers' (non-Orthodox Christians) and speaking their own language in the Fragment of Origins of Nations between 1000-1018 by an anonymous author in a Bulgarian text of the 11th century.
    >Arbanitai of Arbanon are recorded in an account by Anna Comnena of the troubles in that region during the reign of her father Alexius I Comnenus (1081–1118) by the Normans.
    First mentions of the Arber/Albanian group. I would say that the Arber/Albanians were the central most identity of a lot of tribes and ethnicities around South Illyria. From the southern Illyrians in Epirus, to the Macedonians in the east, Liburnians to the North and Celts/Pure Thracians to the north east, all the peoples in between spoke similiar languages, the center of which was Albanopolis. Epirotes got colonised by Greeks early on so they cannot be Ethnically Greek. The first mention of Albanian language is in Ragusa in 1285, so the language was well spread out by the 13th century. As well as the eastern zones such as the Naissus-Astibos-Sarr mountains whose modern version of names have gone through Albanian linguistic transformations. (plus the Bessioi theory which is very spicy, a distinct group of tribes in mountainous western Thrace who preached their version of Christianity, in their own language according to Byzantines. But nobody has documented a westwards migration into Albania, not even one from the north.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >cont
      Basically Albanians are a group of paleobalkan people from a large area who didnt get slavicised, hellenised or romanised, spoke related languages evident in the shitton of dialects in Albanian speaking lands. The central point was Albanopolis, so this is where their identity is mentioned by Greeks and Romans.
      We literally wuz Illyrian/Thracian/Dardanian/Brygian/Macedonian/Bessian/Epiriotes/whatever
      >picrel the Bessi theory argued by a reaching schizo

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Idk some sound slavic to me
        >grapa = ditch (from german verb "graben", "to dig")
        >ruj = Cotinus coggygria (from ancient greek "rhoũs")
        >barje = bog/marsh (serb. dialect: bȃrje "flooded field"; croatian and serb. bȁra "puddle/swamp"; russian dialect: bár "mud, swamp"; czech dialect: bara "swamp"; from proto-slavic *ba̋ra "mud, swamp" from PIE *bʰerH- "brown")
        >slovenian village Bazovica in Italy

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Of course, only about half of those names can be argued as albanian.
          The ones starting with Bukur, Arzan, Tumba, Gintsi for example. This isnt even a theory, just a dude reading too much into the neames and reaching.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They are just derbs who converted to islam

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      inventors of the demolition derby

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