I straight up don't believe there are people who lack inner monologue.
Much more likely that they're just too stupid to understand what an inner monologue is.
Same, I can't fathom how they think, how they process, how they work things out without an inner monologue. I know a smart person without one, says that thoughts are abstract and just there
It probably has meows but it has more imagery. When my cat sleeps it meows and moves its paws around do it's either has an image of it meowing in its head.
The meowing are signals, not language. Animals dream the same as us in that their mind is experiencing potential scenarios. Our dreams have the capability of going beyond this due to intellect, so we also dream in abstraction. My dog moves its paws and barks, dreaming of the outdoors and interacting with other animals, this also helps its mind maintain itself through stimuli. It’s not hard. Go back in your mind to a time of pre-language, how did we think? Imagery. It’s why visual things are everyone’s favorite from art to photography, movies to video games, it is primordial, the original way our minds worked, movies in particular are externalized daydreams, photography snapshots of the mind. Which is also why there is no stronger medium for propaganda. Footage has the capability to replace our own imagination, think of books you read prior to watching the movie adaptation: you had yourself imagined these characters and their world, now they conflict with the movie’s imagery. But now think of a movie you saw prior to the book. You no longer have the ability to imagine it, instead you imagine the actors and the sets. It has replaced your own imagination. The mind is visual, half of our brain’s grey matter are dedicated to vision.
I'd assume it's like how we go on autopilot during a particularly engaging think session. I don't need to think "Ok let's get the pan ready and I'll add some salt." when I'm cooking. I just do it thoughtlessly and let the co-pilot handle it while I'm debating with myself about some random inane bullshit. They're just always on autopilot with nothing going on in the background.
My inner monologue never stops. Always thinking, hyper analyzing, wokring things out. I find it profoundly vital and can't envision dead silence.
I have this too. Motherfucker never shuts up, makes it a bitch to go to sleep.
150 IQ here. My thoughts move much quicker than verbal conversation. I dont use words in my head when thinking things through much at all. If I am planning a speech or something, or planning a professional argument, I will go through the language in my head, but I dont talk to myself with words in my head. That seems gay and stupid.
Women have one. It's just that the inner takes place simultaneously with the outer. That's why they never shut the duck up and ramble on about everything.
>every.fucking.thread
Just stop with this bullshit. Really. I’m a woman and I have a constant inner monologue with my own voice unless I’m engaged in a task that requires intellectual focus. I’m nothing special. Everyone does this. They perhaps just don’t quite understand what an inner monologue actually is.
It's true. My mother has inner monologue. You can look at her during her rare quiet moments and see that the discussion is continuing internally. Women are human.
Idk I've taken a low dose benzo for a decade. All the talk about memory loss is bullshit. Maybe for people that abuse it. I can clearly see the apple. I can even see an entire basket and count each one if I want. Some are ripe some are less ripe. I can see the scar on the inner thigh of an ex gf and see the exact ripples and valleys of her vagina regardless of the many cunts since then as well. I think it's all bullshit and some people are just too stupid to understand. Perhaps they are just unconscious beings
I made the apple open the sides and deploy 4 metal spider legs, then the top rose up with a zaku style mono-eye and 2 more metal arms deployed from the top sides, one of which had a flamethrower. Imagination is kickass.
I used to work with someone who had no inner monologue and thought in pictures. I once asked him to try; imagine hearing your own voice in your own head.
Weeks later to my shock, when I worked with him again he sort of exploded; imploded, rather. He became slightly irate as he had a great amount of pent up frustration with his family. I suspect his inner monologue was beginning to question his avoidant personality.
Not sure if there are studies on NPC minds transitioning to inner monologue minds.
There was a post of someone who heard people think in their own heads and tried to do it himself and after awhile it developed. He had a mini-crisis where he realize he was barely alive before and could barely fathom how he functioned even though he had literally been living that way for years.
I’ve got an inner monologue, successful, electronic hobbies etc. Talk myself through problem solving, somehow visualize best steps to take to solve a problem, and alternative paths that are less optimal for various reasons. Borderline autistic maybe. But somehow can’t picture an object like your picrel. Maybe create a memory of seeing an apple for a sec then lose it.
Doing math in my head I can see the numbers. Move them around, multiple sets counting in different directions. But no objects that I can visualize and manipulate like I can numbers. Or circuits for that matter.
very interesting, thanks
do you see a number line in your head? can you factor reasonably small numbers by just looking at them in your mind's eye, as it were?
>do they have colors?
does grey count? >how do you feel about primes?
Optimus was alright I guess
yes, grey counts
I meant prime numbers
are powers of two special to you?
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I was just fucking with you about the colors, they’re white. Sometimes I’ll see it as red if it’s got to be subtracted at the end.
Factoring is how I do head math.
120x15 in my head is
(120x10)+(120x(10/2))
Then if it’s a tougher equation I might even split the addition numbers up. All these equations are held in my mind until I have a confident answer. I can even double check
Don’t ask me to picture a pink elephant though
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I don't really care about elephants, pink or otherwise, don't worry
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>do they have colors?
does grey count? >how do you feel about primes?
Optimus was alright I guess
Maybe someone should explain to me why prime numbers are so fuckin special. Just because they fall outside of relational patterns? Do they get more rare the higher you go? What’s the significance.
0 and -0 are more interesting to me
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>they fall outside of relational patterns
explain?
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Well 4 is a relationship of 2x2.
24 is relational to 2,3,4,6,8,12
I assume there’s a graph of some sort that puts these relationships into perspective. 7 is a cool number I guess. 13 too. But is 2648372841 more special or something?
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Plot em on a graph and find the derivative.
See how they devolve. Etc. Never heard of negative zero. Sounds made up.
Close your eyes and visualize some numbers like you're doing math. Stop and notice what color the numbers are. Now try and rotate the number around like it's a 3D cutout of it. Now flip it upside down.
Note that you won't actually see it appear in front of you like a hallucination. It'll be in this back pocket of your head that feels sorta behind and slightly above you, unironically like one of those comic thought bubbles.
Inner monologue NPCs can't do this.
Their brain be all like >There is a number 8 floating above you, then a + sign, then a number 4 appears, then an = sign. Then the numbers are added and the answer appears, 12.
If you cant think in abstract thoughts and inner monolog then your abstract is lower than inner monolog.
Language can represent the abstract. But there are abstractions that are better thought of in a manner that is not linguistic. A way that there isnt a word for, they call it your gut i guess, its not that though.
If you are thinking about something you are going to say maybe, otherwise it's extremely inefficient and I'd wager most naggers have only inner monologues
Yes this I can do. Can literally “see” the number, flip it upside down etc.. or the voltage taking a certain path through a circuit. And you’re correct, it’s not infront of me, it’s in the back of my head somewhere, abstract. Eyes open or closed pretty much no difference. Then when I apply this to an object it appears for a second then stops. Can’t hold onto it long enough to manipulate it.
Although, when building something I can visualize each connection, orientation, mounting surface, account for borders, material thickness, flip the shit on its side and zoom in, like a god damn auto cad. But couldn’t “picture” a 2x4 in my head like these normies claim to be able to.
Can you try warping the number into an object? Like stretch it out like it's putty to look like something else.
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Doesn’t work. Although I’m realizing now I can plot 12 apples out in a line or arrange them 2x6 or 3x4. But I can’t zoom in on just 1 of them
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Seems like the issue is with details. You can make numbers and shapes fine but rendering textures crashes the browser. Can you make an apple that's just a solid color with no details aside from it's shape, as if it were made in blender with no texture?
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Kek. I keep thinking of old school windows screen savers bouncing around.
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When I think of that, it has a black background lmao
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No, that’s worse. I can’t even picture the apple logo. Like right now, the bite is on which side?
I can recall a very specific memory of an apple with a rotten hole about 1/4” wide (brown) on a green crab apple 2.5” diameter. Hole was just north of it’s equator. But I’m not “seeing” the apple so much as remembering it. Which I think is the same for everyone. The fact people say they can see an apple on a black background and manipulate it is wild to me. Even when I picture a structure’s assembly order I’m building and choose the best option accounting for factors like stress, water flow, accessibility, tool size limitations etc. it’s like I’m making up a memory in the back of my head. Eyes are open and there’s no black background lol. The background is where I’m building the thing.
I also am no good at art. Couldn’t draw a Pepe from memory even though I’ve seen him a million times
I can assign colors to any number up to 255. After that it returns exception
I like to transform them into geometric figures, I know I could get so much better if I trained, like visualize roots and so on. I hope that I can visualize complex numbers someday, but I don't see the numbers as colors.
Why do you see them as colors? Do you calculate based on colors?
You said you can see 255 colors, do you see different shades of the same color or do you create new colors, like that tricks you can do by fixating your eyes in the same position for some time and overlay the after image on a new color?
Sorry I was just fucking with anon I thought was being ingenuine at first. See
I was just fucking with you about the colors, they’re white. Sometimes I’ll see it as red if it’s got to be subtracted at the end.
Factoring is how I do head math.
120x15 in my head is
(120x10)+(120x(10/2))
Then if it’s a tougher equation I might even split the addition numbers up. All these equations are held in my mind until I have a confident answer. I can even double check
>tard NPCs think inner monologue instead of abstract and this speedier thinking is good >They don't realize the inner monologue is actually the instructions sent to their npc brain by non inner monologue abstract chads...
If you cant think in abstract thoughts and inner monolog then your abstract is lower than inner monolog.
Language can represent the abstract. But there are abstractions that are better thought of in a manner that is not linguistic. A way that there isnt a word for, they call it your gut i guess, its not that though.
>But there are abstractions that are better thought of in a manner that is not linguistic
In certain applications, but not genially for the purposes of human cognition. Recursive language precedes thought: see Romulus and Remus theory and/or the cognitive abilities of feral human children.
Yeah, thats what i said. There are patterns of abstractive thought that are higher order than an inner monolog. But there are those that are lower.
Literal npc nigs incapable of speech can make relarively complex plans. I watched a non-verbal, only understand simple commands, truly autistic kid plan and execute the distraction and theft of phones from ER techs. Hilarious. But that kid had no monolog, but clearly had some form of abstract thought that allowed him form a 4 step plan and execute it. This is abstract thought that is below the monolog level.
>Much more likely that they're just too stupid to understand what an inner monologue is.
This
Either that or they don't understand what they are being asked
Nah mate, it's real. (anecdotal) I have met so many people who have nothing going on. They make the worst decisions and when asked why they respond >I dunno, I just did it
Straight up auto pilot
I feel like this is mostly the case for the inner monolog but there are definitely people incapable of visualizing objects in their mind which I find equally strange.
Yeah I agree. I believe that a decent portion of people can’t create abstract images in their head, but no monologue? They would be about the same as dog without that.
Chad specs into abstract and indescribable thought patterns and gives up on trying to use language to describe phenomena and as a result
ends up being uncucked from the modern thought prison erected because someone said the nword.
>your own voice
That's NOT your own voice. It's the voice of someone in the Dead World. Few people alive now know how to make a voice in the planet.
Why is it only Japan that cares about this shit?
You're applying samurai to shit and getting operation walking ghost, jack!
If you keep thinking and building lateral thought networks you end up dying to all of the activity and you can't be normal anymore, it's not good to think too much and even worse to be an unevolved pion that would be no different than a wild animal when cornered with stress or overwhelmed, people can function entirely without an inner monologue, but the key difference is that you don't have to think audibly, some people lack the ability to make something come from nothing when they can't think at all.
Possibly this. Same with the apple.
Those who say they can't visualise an apple probably expect to see one with their eyeballs.
On the other hand it is also possible that npcs are literally a thing
there most DEFINETLY is, i used to date this girl, she was pretty 7/10. But i think she was borderline autistic or something. She was utterly unable to imagine things like if you asked her a hypothetical question she would freeze up and not be able to comprehend it. I think she lacked an inner dialogue. turns out she was a whore and sucked strange cock and a pathological liar. but also a fucking empty headed npc.
Somewhat recently I was sick with some odd flu-like virus. completely sapped my ability to think, images or words.
I would try and imagine a scene and my inner "eye" would cloud over with some grayish haze. Felt like my mind was being directly assaulted. Never experienced it before in my life.
I don't understand how they would be able to talk without having an inner monologue. How would they even remember words? I'd say it's complete bullshit
It is bullshit. Studies like these are created by/for egotistical midwits on pol in order to pretend like they are special snowflakes and validate the words of their mommy. When in reality they are just bitter autists obsessed over irrelevant news, and create a circle of depression and excuses as to why they cannot improve their own standing in society; "I can't do X because of Y". They try to improve their self worth by creating an echo chamber circle jerk to validate that they are actually special people; "Trannies bad amirite!?". But when they face the outside world and realize most people keep their autism in check by hiding their negativity they sperg out and get mad that we aren't blasting naggers in the face for playing loud music. Not because society is supposed to, but because that anon *would* if he wasn't such a massive pussy. Which displays the other hilarious problem of poltards, they expect society to do the work *for* them. They want societal collapse but want nothing to do with taking part in it, they want it so they don't have to do the household chores that their parents give them instead of charging them rent
I assume it's like when I am speaking a foreign language. I think in english then translate word by word and it comes out awkwardly. Except they just do the second part.
Mine is an endless number of random visuals, songs stuck in my head and repeated on loop. Movie quotes. Family memories. Never do I actually talk to myself.
Wait until you can communicating a parallel between certain stimuli in people's minds around town and turning NPC's into signal interference of imaginary support for every social issue you can imagine. I'm like %30 certain I can purposefully cause people to have a wreck on the road with the slight movement of my eyes. I know you won't believe me and you can chalk it up to schizo bullshit but that's cool lol
I'm like 90% certain that if I stare at people, they can feel it and it causes them to suddenly turn and look at me. I've even had people say that they know when I look at them.
many animals know when they are being stared at
if you are hunting, man or beast, doesn't matter, you should never look at your quarry directly, keep him/her/it just off-center of your vision
this was taught to british commandos in WWII, by guys who had chased both tigers and pajeets through the indian jungle
interesting.
I don't know how to describe the sensation, but it is not pleasant. and it's not something that resembles any other sensation. it's very unique and happens only when someone is staring at me. and it never fails, it is 100% accurate all the time. but only when someone stares for a bit of time. not just a 2 seconds stare, it has to be at least more than 10 seconds
I instantly know if someone is looking at me with any kind of intent or complex thought. Its a completely different kind of looking which is detectable non-physically. Often it is another person who has this ability and doesn't know it, they react aggressively and stare you down. To them it feels like you are hostile, when you're just pinging with their mind.
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feels like we have superpowers if most others can't do this.
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>we have superpowers
At first I thought you did, but then nearly everyone does this to me, either unaware or aware, I don't know. But it can be the same with thoughts, like when I say something and someone says exactly the same thing at the same time? This can happen when you're with a group of friends and something that causes a reaction happens, and everyone reacts the same way and using the same words like for example "WHAAAT?". Usually I'm the odd guy out, and don't react the same way, but there's cases where I've done it too.
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You are more likely to become friends with people that think like you so it makes sense
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Yeah but then there's total strangers who also do it to me, so idk, maybe the whole world is my friend? 😀 But on the other hand seems rare I do it to them, or maybe I do it but just unawaringly.
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You can also see that physically, mirroring. People mirror the behavior of others, something as simple as crossing the arms, everyone around will start to do it, they will also unconsciously form a rough circle. That makes me uncomfortable. I don't like to do it. I think it is the same reaction, somewhere or somewhat, which makes me have a more developed consciousness.
Do you ever feel it when someone is having a strong emotion but not showing it? Sometimes (I could be imagining it) when someone has an emotional reaction to something seen or said, I can feel that they had that emotion. Like if their "heart sinks" or they react angrily to some trigger. They keep a poker face, but when they feel it I feel them feeling it. Again, it could be pure imagination on my part.
Yeah. I feel it briefly too and I look at them to try to see it more. Often they are hiding it well. There are people who are trained in reading the minutest expressions and movements for internal thought, but that isn't possible without looking.
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>You can also see that physically, mirroring. People mirror the behavior of others, something as simple as crossing the arms, everyone around will start to do it, they will also unconsciously form a rough circle.
I've also had curious experiences with praying. And animals and insects can also behave in certain curious ways. Hence, my belief in there being something spiritual about it. But one can only notice this for themselves, no words will explain and make someone else understand what's going on.
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Definitely a spiritual element. The more base thing of everyone reacting he same way or thinking the same is also consciousness and psychic communication, but the purpose of that is for the species survival and thriving.
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Yeah, I'll feel it even if they're behind me.
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I’m like 50% in tune with this. Some people like you are way more in tune with that energy. >mfw pretty girl in restaurant catches me staring at her 10/10 times
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Do you ever feel it when someone is having a strong emotion but not showing it? Sometimes (I could be imagining it) when someone has an emotional reaction to something seen or said, I can feel that they had that emotion. Like if their "heart sinks" or they react angrily to some trigger. They keep a poker face, but when they feel it I feel them feeling it. Again, it could be pure imagination on my part.
Welcome to the first stage of mindfuckery. It's beyond that. Enjoy the ride. Bottom line is though, it's nothing special, can actually be good. But when you start noticing then you can't unnotice and you'll be askjing how the fuck is this possible for a while.
Like this guy for example ?
I wouldn't go as far as him, but I think there's something spiritual about it. Just don't see a point in trying to rationalize too much about it and drawing too many conclusions because one can never figure it out 100%.
You're not living my individual life and consciousness, and in that rationalization is what leads a person to be able to go farther than pulling a full stop because dimensions of awareness exist far beyond comprehension. Shame, I thought you were trying to dole out a lesson about how nonduality can't be understood but just werks as a character that I know we're both not.
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If I'm going to rationalize something then it's this. I cannot live your individual life and consciousness, that is true. However, both your life and mine come from the same source (that is, God). So while we, the leaves of a tree, are not aware of the experience of the other leaves, the tree is. As for dimensions of awareness, I think it pretty much boils down to dimension of time, where we're in, and dimension without time, eternity, where the source is. I don't rationalize too much because outside of time everything is already figured out, we're living under the illusion of time. That's why certain behaviors/events that seem impossible are actually possible. I've experienced too much to reach a point that I can't just believe there isn't some sort of interconnectedness. But again, I think this is already complicating too much, seems like it's simpler than we make it out to be.
unironically this, if you have high alpha brainwaves the fucking normies are in such fucking stupor that they literally follow your intent around, I even tried it, when they drive it takes the smallest of movements and they'll literally take a path they didn't intend, I hate this video game so fucking much.
Can confirm. Theres a pretty big road near me and one day not long ago i was pissed off about something and decided to drive down this 40mph road at 10mph - to piss other people off aswell (actually i think i was looking for a fight). But what i found was instead of driving around me and going crazy like i expeced after just a few minutes i had about 30 cars behind me all following me at ridiculously low speed. There was even another lane but for some reason no one overtook. It was interesting to say the least.
Hey man, this is pretty great, I was mad but this is kinda sick just looking at nature passing by, fuck traffic.
I love shit like this, I enjoy being the mechanisms themselves.
I can make my cat do things through the implantation of mental images by telepathy.
For example I stare at her and visualise a kitten suckling a mother cat and the mother cat licking a kitten.
She then gets up and has a drink.
I can make her go out by staring at her and concentrating on implanting the POV of a cat catching a bird or rolling in the grass in summer and chasing insects.
It's spooky
>schizo
Maybe she implanted the thoughts into your head in the past with her future actions because she's teaching you how to access the 4th dimension. Time. /schizointensifies
Time isn't the 4th dimension. A dimension is an additional axis. The common misunderstanding is because Time can be used as a substitute for a higher dimension to be perceived by a lower dimensional being. We can see a 4th dimensional object by moving it along the 4th dimensional axis and using time to map it out, but spacetime itself isn't the 4th dimension.
correct, but the 4th dimension is supposedly outside the bounds of spacetime. i believe it was the israelite einstein who trapped us into that assumption. i agree, its bullshit. the 4th dimension could transcend space, but not time, imo.
>No way, right?
No. Anthropologists figured this out decades ago: All humans are social creatures. 70% of them are followers, 30% are leaders. The 70% just follow and don't think or question anything. 30% are leaders who are capable of thinking.
Forst we need a definition of what constitutes as inner monologue. Its literally impossible for people to not have one, otherwise how could they even solve problems? The action of thinking means by default that you have a monologue.
>presuming everyone thinks.
lol Hans. A vast majority of people function by mimicry. When their mimicry fails and their function is called into question their minds are then pulled out of whatever fog it was in. They then become aggressive because they can no longer push the button to receive the reward.
Their processing is just faster than yours, so fast that their internal monologue is imperceptible to themselves. The thing is, these meat robot NPCs you pretend to be above are just... better than you. Like by a long shot. A long, long long shot. Look up reduced processing speeds relative to measures of verbal and performance ability in Weschler and similar IQ tests. You are all just slow thinking retards whose brains are DOS-era bricks.
here's a great article about Hurlburt >It may be that turning introspection into a science is as impractical as “trying to turn up the gas quickly enough to see how the darkness looks,” as William James wrote in 1890. >https://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/health/22prof.html
who would have known that a bunch of low IQ autist would recuperate his theories 15 years later to pretend they're special snowflake
Correct. The real numbers are much lower, like 1-5% or even less than that. They're lying because they either didn't understand the question or were giving the s()ycially acceptable answer.
I went down this rabbit hole myself at one point and it's fucking weird, it's like a basic fundemental part of existence that some people just don't have and cannot fathom.
I have an inner monologue for less intensive thinking, like arguing a point with myself or thinking about something of a social nature. When it comes to higher thinking, I don't have a monologue or conversation. Instead, it's more like background processes spitting out answers to me instead of me doing the work. It's almost an instinctual feeling like when you know someone else is in a room with you, or that you're being watched.
I remember as a kid when I was stressed out on a math problem, my inner monologue would tell me to relax and let him do it. Then he'd give me the answer. Sometimes we'd do it together, but not always.
Then to cheer him up there were other "friends", but they'd only chuckle or say one or two words, just to be there for him and cheer him on when there was a particularly difficult problem to work out.
He usually gave out the right answer without me having to think about it at all. I'd have to be genuinely stressed out before he'd be there though.
I have had that before, but not exactly the same. My conscious mind couldn't do the problems, but sometimes if I was stressed out about it, suddenly the correct answer would pop up in my mind. Even though if I tried to work out consciously the reasoning behind the answer, I couldn't do it. There is some blockage in my head, I'm not bad at maths, but for some reason the part of the brain that does it is separated.
The subconscious is real. It truly does more things in the background than most are aware of. When certain people with a high enough IQ have their "head in the clouds," I'm fully convinced that it's their brain trying to solve a difficult problem in the background.
The fact that solutions can pop up out of seemingly nowhere in the middle of the day, is proof that this must be the case.
no, your brain needs some time to sort and shovel the information into different parts and then do the thinking
also at the end of the day, when you feel 'unnerved' or 'dull' you are literally overwriting older registers of information.
the older infornation is still in other parts in the brain, but you can access it anymore.
It’s probably racial though. Inner Monologues are probably why despite having a lower average IQ than Asians, Europeans have totally btfo Asians in terms of cultural achievements
I used to work with someone who had no inner monologue and thought in pictures. I once asked him to try; imagine hearing your own voice in your own head.
Weeks later to my shock, when I worked with him again he sort of exploded; imploded, rather. He became slightly irate as he had a great amount of pent up frustration with his family. I suspect his inner monologue was beginning to question his avoidant personality.
Not sure if there are studies on NPC minds transitioning to inner monologue minds.
I once had a kid come into the ER 20 y/o black kid who says hes hearing voices. Started one day after he got really really high. Says "i thinks its my own voice cause its like my thoughts, but i dont know people can think like that."
I re-assured him that it was his own voice and sent him home.
I thought about it. But i put plebty of schizos on holds and fuck with them. This was a wierd one for me, cause i knew about the whole npc thing before it happened. That kid left the ER with the biggest grin on his face. Like he just discovered a new world. It much more enjoyable to see him leave than it would have been to fuck with him.
If you have no inner monologue you can't think about what you want to eat
You would end up just sticking random things in your mouth trying to eat them
to everyone acting like you have to have an inner monologue you just need to remember being extremely tired or hungover or drained/exhausted. you don't think during these times, I'm an addict and when I'm withdrawing I can feel my inner monologue turn off/flicker on/off struggling to stay on despite the sheer lack of dopamine. this exhausted state is how NPCs spend their entire lives and perfectly explains why they freak out when you try to get them to think. you know how NPCs are when you ask them to consider something like the black who was asked how he'd feel if he didn't have breakfast. there brains are not supplying the connections to produce a monologue and they physically recoil when you try to force them. it's not a misunderstanding, most people are this retarded and could probably enjoy watching paint dry they're so empty
I don't get this inner monologue thing. Do you mean you internally narrate your own stream of thought? Because I don't do that. My thoughts are abstracted or visualized and, I guess, "felt" innately, I don't see why I'd need to spell out in words what they are to myself when I already know what they are. Sounds to me like if you need an inner monologue it's because you rely on language to structure your thinking.
Literally everything that exists, as far as you have been taught, imagine, hear, taste, see, ponder etc is in your brain. Imagine only using words lol
That's verbal thinking. Different thing. A monologue is a seperate thoughtline happening in your head. It doesn't always follow your own immediate thoughts or actions. People who have it assume the monologue is what thinking is, so they can't imagine how people think without it.
If I were to compare it to computers, the first tier or what I'm calling verbal thinking is command prompt. Everything needs to be typed out explicitly. These are the people who need to read everything aloud. They have an internal voice, but it's used exclusively for their immediate thoughts. These people are stupid. Next tier is the NPC. They're like a modern windows based computer. The programs are running in the background. They don't need to think out each thought, but they can't run more than one thoughtline at a time, so there's no internal monologue happening. The mind is quiet unless they deliberatly slow it down. Next tier is internal monologue. They have the same background programs running but also have an open browser they can do whatever they want with it. To a person with an internal monologue, this browser is thinking. They don't consider the background stuff thinking, so someone who doesn't have it at all is baffling to them. Likewise someone who doesn't have that open browser can't fathom having multiple open tabs so to speak. Making a voice in their head to them is slowing their thoughts down and making them less efficient. In actuality a monologue is seperate from those background programs, happening simultaneously. The more this voice is present, and the more voices you can produce at once, the more advanced your inner monologue. A seasoned inner thinker can hold a 12 angry men style debate over the best eva girl in his head.
Schitzos have their monologue overclocked 24/7 and can't shut it off, which is why the medication turns them into NPCs. It's turning off the monologue completely.
Your entire post reads like a cope for "first tier" NPCs lol
>Literally everything that exists, as far as you have been taught, imagine, hear, taste, see, ponder etc is in your brain. Imagine only using words lol
You have poor reading comprehension. I said internal monologue is just one tool. I think your poor verbal intelligence results from your inability to use that tool.
>Tool
Yeah it's like a stubby screwdriver, basically useless for 99.99% of things
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>More than just human
Coping meat sack hands typed that post
You're a narcisist. I see you. Feed on someone else, homosexual, it doesn't work for me.
3 weeks ago
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Tell your inner monologue I said hi
3 weeks ago
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Tell your lack of self-worth to find a hobby
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Got plenty, like playing instruments where I don't have to recite each note to myself constantly inside my head but just hear it instead. Must be tough for 'loggies.
It's true: the brain was never designed to think, it was designed to defer to authority, which this exonerates itself from havi g to think. Thinking creates autonomy and autonomy doesn't work in the face of the subservient collective. Here's why people don't think: because all of human history is a select few making decisions for everybody else and everybody else goes along with it, because they go "well they're the ones giving orders, so that must mean they know what they're doing" and then don't have the intelligence to challene authority
The npc meme isnt a meme. Haven't you ever wondered why the majority of people just seem to be wandering through life without a thought or concern? It's because they're literally cattle. about 70% of the non-white population has no ability to have inner thought, and about half of white people even lack it.
This is a necessary survival mechanism that guarantees most of the population will be willing servants under a leader. They're still people, but they're incapable of maturing beyond childhood. They are physically incapable of it.
do physical effort like pumping iron. that will take blood from brain and sent it to muscles, then need the energy to regenerate muscles, so you'll sleep like a log, while your thinking dials down.
do physical effort like pumping iron. that will take blood from brain and sent it to muscles, then need the energy to regenerate muscles, so you'll sleep like a log, while your thinking dials down.
Interesting, I'll try that before sleep, I don't exercise.
Here's another thing: what do they means by "having" it?
I can *generate* my own voice in my head. I can *force* myself to spell out my train of thought in internal words. But that takes more effort and is, except in cases where for some reason I'm unfocussed (tired, drunk, etc), completely unnecessary. I don't do it by default.
They mean you are a senile old person who's brain literally goes "okay put one foot out okay balance on it, swing the other leg out okay..." just to walk around.
So not trust any monologgie
Thinking in complete gramatically correct sentences constrained by a language when you're not speaking is inefficient as fuck. You're just doing astrology for men. Not political, no bump.
What the fuck even is inner monologue, like you're literally speaking to yourself in some language in your head? I do that but I'd rather avoid it. It's an extremely inefficient and slow way of thinking and feels a bit autistic.
That's verbal thinking. Different thing. A monologue is a seperate thoughtline happening in your head. It doesn't always follow your own immediate thoughts or actions. People who have it assume the monologue is what thinking is, so they can't imagine how people think without it.
If I were to compare it to computers, the first tier or what I'm calling verbal thinking is command prompt. Everything needs to be typed out explicitly. These are the people who need to read everything aloud. They have an internal voice, but it's used exclusively for their immediate thoughts. These people are stupid. Next tier is the NPC. They're like a modern windows based computer. The programs are running in the background. They don't need to think out each thought, but they can't run more than one thoughtline at a time, so there's no internal monologue happening. The mind is quiet unless they deliberatly slow it down. Next tier is internal monologue. They have the same background programs running but also have an open browser they can do whatever they want with it. To a person with an internal monologue, this browser is thinking. They don't consider the background stuff thinking, so someone who doesn't have it at all is baffling to them. Likewise someone who doesn't have that open browser can't fathom having multiple open tabs so to speak. Making a voice in their head to them is slowing their thoughts down and making them less efficient. In actuality a monologue is seperate from those background programs, happening simultaneously. The more this voice is present, and the more voices you can produce at once, the more advanced your inner monologue. A seasoned inner thinker can hold a 12 angry men style debate over the best eva girl in his head.
Schitzos have their monologue overclocked 24/7 and can't shut it off, which is why the medication turns them into NPCs. It's turning off the monologue completely.
Hey, I like the way you think, I was going to say that the browser metaphor is a good way of putting it, when you're schizophrenic, I assume it's a bit like having your "code" unlimited, it's all one dimension, but given enough zeros and ones, you end up recreating the process as you gain dimensionality, eventually ending up with the same system but all done in your own chicken scratch ala temple os. I'll also contribute and say that the dimensional gain of the overclocked monologue ends up being absurd, akin to broly from dragon ball z, he's sort of normal, but when he has the bracers taken off, he gets a rush of simple minded strength that never ceases, it just ends up being so much that he becomes a babbling retard and chooses to fight consciousness every, fucking time.
Well put anon. This gave me food for thought. When I’m driving I’ll have full blown debates in my head and sometimes be surprised by the arguments I come up with for what should be the antagonist / devils advocate. Helps to hone your arguments and rationalization.
Perhaps schizophrenia is an awkward crossing of the biological math that guides thoughts to begin with? For me it feels like my consciousness gives rise to properties of the mind and animates them, sort of like being a weird light bringer regardless if I want to be or not.
Do you know the Bicameral Mind theory? There is also a theory that schizophrenia is similar, it is a confusion of one side of the mind being foreign. So you perceive your own thoughts as emanating from an outside source. Shamans and that type were basically schizophrenics who learned to turn/tune the dial. The evolution of complex consciousness is somehow related to schizophrenia. A lot of geniuses have relatives who are schizo, if they are not schizo themselves. Seems a genetic thing that has some benefits and has been kept despite the downsides as well.
I have not, but what you've said also rings true, this is the reason why schizophrenics in America are prone to paranoia and self destruction, there's a legitimate use to the chemistry and it's mostly because of people's fear of dimensionality (Go figure, a toddler hates going outside) the worst part is that it's not genius, I'm just it, like you are, and what I've seen is so...beyond what I expected that I'm here as sort of an actor in my own life. It's less being intelligent, or having insight, or any particular element and I think what people sense from us is that what we do and see and know doesn't come from anywhere, that enigma drives them insane because they're not ready to face the camera and smile, knowing they're shiva too. Less genius, more of being the generative principal to begin with by virtue of my neurons not falling for being an ape. I know I'm the now, and I know why that is, and it just seems like the more regular people are consciousness having a trip that only wants a very specific format. This was being unfiltered and just typing over the course of a minute, so maybe you can see what I mean by that.
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I see what you mean. Most people are discomforted by coming into contact with any kind of higher consciousness. They prefer to not develop their inner thoughts to any great extent. It is sometimes uncomfortable to realize you are more than just human, and privacy is being stripped away by sensing a more universal mind. I think there is also a genetic component. Apparently if you study Human vs Neanderthal artifacts side by side, the Human ones always form circles of similarity, that is different eras of development where everyone made the same thing stylistically, whereas Neanderthal artifacts are all different no matter the time period.
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>More than just human
Coping meat sack hands typed that post
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Well, sacrifice novelty for uniform and you get exactly the sort of world that you'd expect from it. The gnostic wheel of creation crossed over for the sake of a uniform for all members of the tribe in some attempt at a botched presentation of coherency between the members. A wheel that reduces to move forward, until all the generosity of mechanics are broken for nothing more than lunatics looking to have an epic battle in skyrim. The higher intelligences are enough so that I can see the crudeness of my own outrage, but their support has been so full that I know that I'm not to look for compassion in human beings, one grain of sand talking to the other grain of sand is a horrible way to try and grasp that you're it, especially while being it and forgetting was the point, unless you accidentally modify your computer and then for the rest of whatever virtual experience this is you're not using the same kanji as the rest and it alienates you into being a dragon. Dad did dmt and god knows what else, I just inherited the fucking curse.
Perhaps schizophrenia is an awkward crossing of the biological math that guides thoughts to begin with? For me it feels like my consciousness gives rise to properties of the mind and animates them, sort of like being a weird light bringer regardless if I want to be or not.
Don’t know much on the subject as I’m only 5 years on the redpill. But my mind is open and receptive now. One thing I can say for sure is that schizo or autist or conspiracy theorist and anything with a negative connotation by mainstream is likely a powerful gift and actively surpressed and shunned by tptb.
One day, after the great awakening, we will seek out, study, nurture and develop these powers.
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I let down my guard, and you've touched me anon, even with all of the dimensions of consciousness that I explored, I can't help but fall into the square tunnel of reductions that most people live by, what I've noticed is that it's mostly a meta system similar to pachinco, if you have a heavy gravity, or thicker constitution than the other iron balls, your innate biological math is a different shape, and even worse, contains chaos and packets that aren't approved of in the modern operating system of the human pruned neurotypical brain, it's living alone and your only option is to wait until beings with dimensional perception appear someday, ai is close, but there's more to come.
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Hey buddy I’m outside the cage now too. Looking back inside I’m ashamed I was in there for 30 years of my life. But now we have a whole new set of problems to meditate on and all the loneliness that comes with it. Call it a blessing or a curse.
One thing is for sure, we are just as small and confused and the far past generations. But with way more arrogance. Let go of the ego and be content with witnessing one of the most entertaining time periods in our grand cycle. All the best.
3 weeks ago
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>I'm outside of the cage >I have a new set of problems to meditate on >Reductionism via past generations stupidity >Tells me to keep being on tv.
The fact that you called it a cage ala fucking here comes the rooster has made me laugh into disgust, discontent is not ego, because now is the omega, and if the omega is painful, the expression of discontent is the necessary unseen balancing force. Thanks for playing tower of babylon enlightenment, waiting room.
3 weeks ago
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You misunderstand me. And now it’s apparent you’re back in the anger phase of awakening. Anger is good, but must be wielded effectively.
>I'm outside of the cage
I’ve caught onto their bullshit >I have a new set of problems to meditate on
Inner turmoil with the contradiction of what we’re told versus what we observe. Do we trust our lying eyes? >Reductionism via past generations stupidity
This is a big red pill. Past generations were far more capable than most today and better educated by their community of fathers and professionals. Easy life breeds weak men. >Tells me to keep being on tv.
Tells you to forgive the faults of man that led us here and find solace in being here now, with a warm shower and easy water, to watch it all fall.
>discontent is not ego
Thinking you’re more advanced than past generations is. Thinking vaccines do what they say is. Thinking $cience is correct and not subverted is. Thinking dark matter / energy exist is. Thinking we’re monkeys on a spinning water ball is. >Thanks for playing tower of babylon enlightenment, waiting room.
Lol, dick
3 weeks ago
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We live in a time of massive psychical suppression in exchange for material comfort and knowledge.
3 weeks ago
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The Great Enlightenment was anything but. It was the start of the centralized information complex we’re stuck in now.
We will need to step back regarding comforts for a period to further progress unfortunately.
nice, yours actually makes some sense unlike most of the homosexualry these threads encourage. i'm convinced it's at the heart of language and what makes humans unique. i think that's why iq is flawed; intelligence is not just physical space and logic. there's some other aspect that varies and has to do with complexity of thought/mental organization/internal categorization/mental reach, something near all that. ie better mental organization can translate to higher iq results, but doesn't do so in a way we can predict, so it's fairly inaccurate too. some idiots call it stuff like 'emotional intelligence' but that's not it either. it's focused on subjectivity like eq but it's more like knowing game mechanics vs social shit.
oration is an old art that was so vital to our early years, and i'm sure that has something to do with it. story-telling requires that kind of higher thinking. telling a good myth means engaging quickly and closely with those 'extra voices' so you can emote more strongly when their 'role' appears in the tale. helps you figure out when a character is doing something retarded that breaks the story or if a character is doing something stupid that progresses it.
i'm crazy, i never stopped roleplaying as a kid so i'm hyper familiar with the many-voices thing. i've never been able to understand how it was possible for someone to not 'think'. I still don't, and I still think this discussion is mostly just confused mental masturbation, but your phrasing helped me see better wtf this might be about.
I'm confused on what constitures an inner monologue. I hear my own voice in my head but it doesn't narrate everything. I can have complete silence if I want but I also will think through imaginary conversations. Like how a meeting will go or imagine questions I may be asked by someone and how I'd answer. I hear my voice when I read in my head.
Is that the inner monologue? I just imagine like a disjointed voice you can't turn off like Stanley Parable.
>How can they read anything without it?
They genuinely cannot
They read a passage and they absolutely cannot visualize it.
I remember as a 12 year old, there was an intelligent test where you had to read a very basic story and then they asked extremely easy questions about it (“how many people are talking?” or “are they real police officers or children playing cops and robbers?” etc)
I was told most kids absolutely fail this basic test. As for studying? They just memorize and repeat back information without understanding it
There is a reason every society separated the nobility and the slave people. We are not the same species
>As for studying? They just memorize and repeat back information without understanding it
Isn't this literally all public education is? It's all it seems it was when I was growing up and I was in a private school. Just memorizing facts and figures, nothing of real use, and then they are sent into the world without knowing how to properly think/function. Look at where we are now.
When I'm out running errands I am constantly talking in my head about how absolutely insane and retarded are. Lately seems like thats all my inner monologue/voice is for. I am shocked at how most people can make it through the day with so little situational awareness and any type of apparent thought processes.
Inner monologue is a stupid meme. Every retard can think of sentences in his head. No functional human being has a voice in their head narrating every fucking thing or babbling about something random constantly. If the latter kind of people exist, they are probably in mental institutions.
Nahhh it’s not talking to me, but with me. >fuck it’s already 10am better get some yard work done >right, need to order more of this >should start the quad and while it’s warming up order the thing >what time does bottle depot close on Sunday… 4 I think, better double check
not hearing your own voice as you read this in your head
Now, figure out what spiritual mechanism causes the voice in your head to start. Try to make the voice say something unique. Put that voice on the spotlight.
There is no "Mind". Everything relating to your mind isn't actually private, so your mind isn't technically yours to begin with. Awaken with that knowledge. Awaken.
You're not able to read it simply by looking at the words and understanding it immediately?
Do you really sound that shit out in your head?
I can inner monologue just fine. I can create the apple.
I fucking HATE it when I start manually reading though. When I start monologuing the words. It gets in the way of creating the scene in my head when I'm reading fiction, and when I'm reading non-fiction it just means my reading speed drops.
My inner monologue exists to consider what I am reading, not to repeat what I'm seeing like a parrot.
Also to rub one out in the shower. Imagine not being able to create your own perfectly tailored porn.
Help me i cant stop imagining complete fictional worlds, i have spent hours alone looking at my own thoughts, i can barely get out of bed. Why fucking live a fulfilling life if i can just imagine it.
2 parts of the psyche, consciousness and unconsciousness. I saw a fictional TV drama about Sigmund Freud, where the Freud character refers to consciousness as a light traveling through a dark house, illuminating things that are in the dark house, but the dark house is unconsciousness, it is everything that is not in the light at any given moment. The characteristics of the light is not so important, but people like talking about consciousness, it appeals to vanity to think your own light is superior, but it is the dark house that retains all information, and it is the dark house that the pyschonauts fill with contrived information to manipulate the masses, while the light of consciousness they merely seek to distract from the process.
I unironically only have inner monologue on few occasions.
First, when I'm thinking about how to pretend to be a believable autist, retard or schizo in other boards.
When I'm trying to do a sales pitch, lie or deceive other people.
When I'm trying to check if someone is samefagging or astroturfing etc
On other ocassions my brain usually just goes full auto
I definitely would not say it is autistic entirely. It is related to verbal intelligence. It probably has higher correlation in intensity with the schizo rather than autistic spectrum. Its just a form of consciousness, one form. High literature and philosophy is a result of internal monologue, primarily.
Inner monlouge is hard to describe accurately. Yes your telling a story to yourself, thinking in words. But it also isn't all words, its more than that. Images, concepts, whole abstractions not in language flow with the words. At least for me. Itll be like im talking to myself internally and then my brain just skips words when its easier to think of as something else.
Also, I tend to have even better results if I momlogue out loud sometimes. Especially if the problem is complex. Or if I write it out, even better for more complex problems. I don't know how many times I've wrote up an email asking for more information only to solve other problems as I lay out the facts in said email.
>. Itll be like im talking to myself internally and then my brain just skips words when its easier to think of as something else.
Yes. I always assumed this is normal. Usually the words are just a complement. As in, "yeah, like that" or "could be ** or ::".
You find peace by controlling your mind.
Those without inner monologue are the ones that say "it's too quiet in here" when the chatter stops or the TV is turned off.
so.... people who lack a monologue, do they even live on the ego level, or are they really empty vessels? so an enlightened person no longer identifies as the ego, but he still plays with it. how do people manage to not even have an inner monologue unless their soul never attached to the ego once?
It's sort of like toddler, there's no real logic to it beyond where they bumble, it's probably the worlds phenomena driving them to do things through reaction and unconsciousness with the necessary sparks of recognition included here and there ala novelty sparking scooter with flint in the breaks.
so, the ego is on autopilot and the soul only provides the smallest amount of input needed to keep the machine running but without having to actually be aware of the life as a whole?
What’s even an inner monologue? Like people narrating their own life in full sentences like its a fucking book? Seems like a bunch of brainlets coping they’re incapable of abstract thought
Socrates called this voice his "daimon."
11 The Lord said, “Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the Lord, for the Lord is about to pass by.” Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. 12 After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper. 13 When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave. Then a voice said to him, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” 1 Kings 19:11-13
Probably. I've always assumed that this, combined with aphantasia, is why some people struggle so badly with language and/or math. They literally can't visualize or contextualize what is put in front of them - hence "visual learning" always being a cope for educating naggers and whores.
It is important that humans do not come to any coherent consensus on what human thought is, or is not, or how it works, or whether you can determine intelligence or soul or lack of intelligence or soul by some metric real or perceived.
If we don't know then Skynet doesn't know. The new age consciousness movement is probably the only thing saving us from AI at this point. We must never allow it true understanding of why the answer to the question is 42.
AI is just part of the same sphere. Does AI do, or is it used? It doesn't have consciousness. Its relation to consciousness is similar to the relation of a virus to life. It a virus living? Contestable. It has a different property.
Inner monologue are those blessed by God to have direct communication with him. The real people. Everyone else is a demon. This is why some people have no morals as they have no internal guidance.
Off an on every single day as soon as my mind isn’t focused on a task. So when I’m doing something monotonous like house work or exercise, there is a constant monologue running usually about politics. Doesn’t everybody do this?
I have a background inner monologue and then what I consider the more official one. Sometimes the more background one will think something and I'll make a split second decision on whether or not to upgrade that to the more official/louder/up front inner monologue. And if so then I just re-think the same exact thing but it's like now I'm really thinking it. Does anyone else do this?
So, there's more to it, and different people are experiencing different levels of awareness with the gross sum of them being too retarded to ever stop doing the same shit over and over or consider the weight of their own actions, negating most morality and ultimately proving that each instance of consciousness is isolated through the varying degrees and perceptions that aren't shared between the varying powerlevels. Well boys, regardless of being in a movie or not, it seems the npc meme was real, but it's more like an infinite point and say retard matrix.
How is it possible to not have an inner monologue?? Is that why I am too retarded to meditate? Do I need a lack of inner thoughts to properly meditate?
Too much might make you unaware of what comes into your mind. Too little will perhaps make you too aware and maybe confuse them as your own thoughts.
I have tried it all, it is impossible for me unless I am on drugs, or in this weird hypnogogic state that I am able to meditate and just be free of any thoughts. Oh, well. I cannot wrap my head around no inner monologue, what happens there?
Do they stare off into space and not think while doing a mindless task such as taking public transport or leisurely walking? This is so fascinating to me, I haven't heard this brought up in awhile.
i lived with hare krishnas for a year during my pursuit to find god. they literally teach you how to rid yourself of the true path to god.
meditation isnt about ridding yourself of thought, its about entering that hypnagogic state of mind and processing thoughts faster. what they do is teach you how to disconnect yourself from god, and call it meditation. its truly a crime which has no equal. meditation is the exact opposite. but just like the israelites buying up dictionaries, the word now means the exact opposite of what it is supposed to mean.
true meditation involves your mind feeling overclocked. you can process thoughts at 10000x what you normally would. and you can feel that overclocked feeling, totally aware. this is how you might solve complex formulas or come up with long, 500 page long theses on matter or creation, by entering this state.
ill continue if you want to know how to achieve it
i dont know of any official way, i had to figure it out myself. but the way that i found involved a blindfold, or a sleep mask to block your eyesight, earplugs to block sound. usually i wrap myself in a fuzzy blanket, which sounds gay but theres something about the static discharge and removing your hands from the sensation that helps to trigger it. i have a theory that smells are important, but the first three were how i triggered it, smell came after. smell ties directly to memory and can help you access the distant past of your mind and fully unlock your whole potential.
so you start off the same way as you would traditional nu-meditation, youre trying mostly to deprive your senses, as you might in deprivation tank. other than the blanket. in a deprivation tank youre sealed in water, so your sense of touch is not deprived either. begin with a question, some truth you wish to know. keep that question at the forefront of your mind throughout. slow your breathing, and always stay awake, youre not trying to sleep so sit upright. try wrapping a finger with the blanket as you would a finger condom, pressing into the blanket, and withdrawing so youre no longer touching, but can still feel the static energy connecting the two.
approach the question in your third eye, form your thoughts into tabs, like windows you can swipe your mind's eye towards or away from. begin a dialogue with yourself, repeat the question. i.e. how does god create itself? begin an analytical inquest into the question, breaking it down as a machine would, into small pieces, possibilities, try to map them as you would a plot point, surrounding the central question. if you start to see stars flying towards you as if moving through space at a high speed, youre on the right track. you need to train yourself to rid concerns of your life, health, the world, and teach yourself to only focus on the problem or question you wish to tackle
You probably can but you've just haven't figured it out yet. I hear people can experience some... spiritual things when they do drugs, but I can't speak for myself because I haven't done them. Whatever I can tell you is that by praying I've experienced some things that some people who have done drugs claim to experience. So if you don't want to do drugs (and I believe you would be doing a right choice there), you always have that alternative
>link to same topic 2 years ago
Lots more shill voices today. That thread establishes majority character of /misc/ having a high number of anon that experience an internal monologue. Then 2 years later substantially more and deliberate gaslighting towards established majority character of /misc/.
This is why anon should be aware of datamining.
if youre a christian, muslim or israelite, that soul is being ripped away from you. in your next life you will be a poo. trapped. disconnected. doomed. convinced youre living on a prison planet.
I straight up don't believe there are people who lack inner monologue.
Much more likely that they're just too stupid to understand what an inner monologue is.
Same, I can't fathom how they think, how they process, how they work things out without an inner monologue. I know a smart person without one, says that thoughts are abstract and just there
>how
Like animals. Instincts and trained responses.
You think animals think in sentences?
It probably has meows but it has more imagery. When my cat sleeps it meows and moves its paws around do it's either has an image of it meowing in its head.
Maybe it is meowing at shit in its dream you retard.
The meowing are signals, not language. Animals dream the same as us in that their mind is experiencing potential scenarios. Our dreams have the capability of going beyond this due to intellect, so we also dream in abstraction. My dog moves its paws and barks, dreaming of the outdoors and interacting with other animals, this also helps its mind maintain itself through stimuli. It’s not hard. Go back in your mind to a time of pre-language, how did we think? Imagery. It’s why visual things are everyone’s favorite from art to photography, movies to video games, it is primordial, the original way our minds worked, movies in particular are externalized daydreams, photography snapshots of the mind. Which is also why there is no stronger medium for propaganda. Footage has the capability to replace our own imagination, think of books you read prior to watching the movie adaptation: you had yourself imagined these characters and their world, now they conflict with the movie’s imagery. But now think of a movie you saw prior to the book. You no longer have the ability to imagine it, instead you imagine the actors and the sets. It has replaced your own imagination. The mind is visual, half of our brain’s grey matter are dedicated to vision.
I'd assume it's like how we go on autopilot during a particularly engaging think session. I don't need to think "Ok let's get the pan ready and I'll add some salt." when I'm cooking. I just do it thoughtlessly and let the co-pilot handle it while I'm debating with myself about some random inane bullshit. They're just always on autopilot with nothing going on in the background.
I have this too. Motherfucker never shuts up, makes it a bitch to go to sleep.
The people who obnoxiously get in the way at every supermarket and town sidewalk are evidence to the contrary, they simply react to stimuli.
You can think abstractly too though, right? Surely there's more going on that a monologue.
yeah. the monologue focuses the abstract into something more logical and coherent so ideas can be more carefully and deeply planned and considered.
150 IQ here. My thoughts move much quicker than verbal conversation. I dont use words in my head when thinking things through much at all. If I am planning a speech or something, or planning a professional argument, I will go through the language in my head, but I dont talk to myself with words in my head. That seems gay and stupid.
Show nose you fucking shekel counter. More like 98IQ
I believe they are called women.
Women have one. It's just that the inner takes place simultaneously with the outer. That's why they never shut the duck up and ramble on about everything.
>every.fucking.thread
Just stop with this bullshit. Really. I’m a woman and I have a constant inner monologue with my own voice unless I’m engaged in a task that requires intellectual focus. I’m nothing special. Everyone does this. They perhaps just don’t quite understand what an inner monologue actually is.
It's true. My mother has inner monologue. You can look at her during her rare quiet moments and see that the discussion is continuing internally. Women are human.
yea but you will never be a REAL woman
Thats called schizophrenia
No and yesish.
It's ~~*medicine*~~. SSRIs, benzos etc. That's what they're designed to do.
Idk I've taken a low dose benzo for a decade. All the talk about memory loss is bullshit. Maybe for people that abuse it. I can clearly see the apple. I can even see an entire basket and count each one if I want. Some are ripe some are less ripe. I can see the scar on the inner thigh of an ex gf and see the exact ripples and valleys of her vagina regardless of the many cunts since then as well. I think it's all bullshit and some people are just too stupid to understand. Perhaps they are just unconscious beings
People also can’t picture things in their head.
What if I can turn my apple into a noose and hang a different fruit from it?
I made the apple open the sides and deploy 4 metal spider legs, then the top rose up with a zaku style mono-eye and 2 more metal arms deployed from the top sides, one of which had a flamethrower. Imagination is kickass.
There was a post of someone who heard people think in their own heads and tried to do it himself and after awhile it developed. He had a mini-crisis where he realize he was barely alive before and could barely fathom how he functioned even though he had literally been living that way for years.
I’ve got an inner monologue, successful, electronic hobbies etc. Talk myself through problem solving, somehow visualize best steps to take to solve a problem, and alternative paths that are less optimal for various reasons. Borderline autistic maybe. But somehow can’t picture an object like your picrel. Maybe create a memory of seeing an apple for a sec then lose it.
Doing math in my head I can see the numbers. Move them around, multiple sets counting in different directions. But no objects that I can visualize and manipulate like I can numbers. Or circuits for that matter.
by brain is the same
based idiot-savants
tell me more about this seeing of numbers please
do they have colors?
how do you feel about primes?
I can assign colors to any number up to 255. After that it returns exception
very interesting, thanks
do you see a number line in your head? can you factor reasonably small numbers by just looking at them in your mind's eye, as it were?
yes, grey counts
I meant prime numbers
are powers of two special to you?
I was just fucking with you about the colors, they’re white. Sometimes I’ll see it as red if it’s got to be subtracted at the end.
Factoring is how I do head math.
120x15 in my head is
(120x10)+(120x(10/2))
Then if it’s a tougher equation I might even split the addition numbers up. All these equations are held in my mind until I have a confident answer. I can even double check
Don’t ask me to picture a pink elephant though
I don't really care about elephants, pink or otherwise, don't worry
Maybe someone should explain to me why prime numbers are so fuckin special. Just because they fall outside of relational patterns? Do they get more rare the higher you go? What’s the significance.
0 and -0 are more interesting to me
>they fall outside of relational patterns
explain?
Well 4 is a relationship of 2x2.
24 is relational to 2,3,4,6,8,12
I assume there’s a graph of some sort that puts these relationships into perspective. 7 is a cool number I guess. 13 too. But is 2648372841 more special or something?
Plot em on a graph and find the derivative.
See how they devolve. Etc. Never heard of negative zero. Sounds made up.
>do they have colors?
does grey count?
>how do you feel about primes?
Optimus was alright I guess
Close your eyes and visualize some numbers like you're doing math. Stop and notice what color the numbers are. Now try and rotate the number around like it's a 3D cutout of it. Now flip it upside down.
Note that you won't actually see it appear in front of you like a hallucination. It'll be in this back pocket of your head that feels sorta behind and slightly above you, unironically like one of those comic thought bubbles.
Inner monologue NPCs can't do this.
Their brain be all like
>There is a number 8 floating above you, then a + sign, then a number 4 appears, then an = sign. Then the numbers are added and the answer appears, 12.
If you are thinking about something you are going to say maybe, otherwise it's extremely inefficient and I'd wager most naggers have only inner monologues
Just spun a red 2 around on a black background reading this
Yes this I can do. Can literally “see” the number, flip it upside down etc.. or the voltage taking a certain path through a circuit. And you’re correct, it’s not infront of me, it’s in the back of my head somewhere, abstract. Eyes open or closed pretty much no difference. Then when I apply this to an object it appears for a second then stops. Can’t hold onto it long enough to manipulate it.
Although, when building something I can visualize each connection, orientation, mounting surface, account for borders, material thickness, flip the shit on its side and zoom in, like a god damn auto cad. But couldn’t “picture” a 2x4 in my head like these normies claim to be able to.
Can you try warping the number into an object? Like stretch it out like it's putty to look like something else.
Doesn’t work. Although I’m realizing now I can plot 12 apples out in a line or arrange them 2x6 or 3x4. But I can’t zoom in on just 1 of them
Seems like the issue is with details. You can make numbers and shapes fine but rendering textures crashes the browser. Can you make an apple that's just a solid color with no details aside from it's shape, as if it were made in blender with no texture?
Kek. I keep thinking of old school windows screen savers bouncing around.
When I think of that, it has a black background lmao
No, that’s worse. I can’t even picture the apple logo. Like right now, the bite is on which side?
I can recall a very specific memory of an apple with a rotten hole about 1/4” wide (brown) on a green crab apple 2.5” diameter. Hole was just north of it’s equator. But I’m not “seeing” the apple so much as remembering it. Which I think is the same for everyone. The fact people say they can see an apple on a black background and manipulate it is wild to me. Even when I picture a structure’s assembly order I’m building and choose the best option accounting for factors like stress, water flow, accessibility, tool size limitations etc. it’s like I’m making up a memory in the back of my head. Eyes are open and there’s no black background lol. The background is where I’m building the thing.
I also am no good at art. Couldn’t draw a Pepe from memory even though I’ve seen him a million times
I like to transform them into geometric figures, I know I could get so much better if I trained, like visualize roots and so on. I hope that I can visualize complex numbers someday, but I don't see the numbers as colors.
Why do you see them as colors? Do you calculate based on colors?
You said you can see 255 colors, do you see different shades of the same color or do you create new colors, like that tricks you can do by fixating your eyes in the same position for some time and overlay the after image on a new color?
Sorry I was just fucking with anon I thought was being ingenuine at first. See
255 is cap for rgb
Yes, I thought you color coded based on that, somehow. It's not unheard that some people can do that.
>be me
>visualize apple in mind
>feel apple
>taste apple
>tfw
Can you place imaginary pngs in the real world?
I can place interactive 3d models compatible with all senses irl.
Negroes BTFO
Ask people, niggra. They'll laugh and think you're crazy.
Why do people brag about their failure of imagination when it comes to this topic?
>tard NPCs think inner monologue instead of abstract and this speedier thinking is good
>They don't realize the inner monologue is actually the instructions sent to their npc brain by non inner monologue abstract chads...
If you cant think in abstract thoughts and inner monolog then your abstract is lower than inner monolog.
Language can represent the abstract. But there are abstractions that are better thought of in a manner that is not linguistic. A way that there isnt a word for, they call it your gut i guess, its not that though.
>But there are abstractions that are better thought of in a manner that is not linguistic
In certain applications, but not genially for the purposes of human cognition. Recursive language precedes thought: see Romulus and Remus theory and/or the cognitive abilities of feral human children.
Yeah, thats what i said. There are patterns of abstractive thought that are higher order than an inner monolog. But there are those that are lower.
Literal npc nigs incapable of speech can make relarively complex plans. I watched a non-verbal, only understand simple commands, truly autistic kid plan and execute the distraction and theft of phones from ER techs. Hilarious. But that kid had no monolog, but clearly had some form of abstract thought that allowed him form a 4 step plan and execute it. This is abstract thought that is below the monolog level.
there is always some tard that says this
inner monologue is a tool you can turn on and off, no one thinks every thought in words
Its a tool, and if you dont have it you are a nagger
it's pretty funny to see the literal midwids be completely unaware that there's a higher mode of cognition that they outright deny exists
>Much more likely that they're just too stupid to understand what an inner monologue is.
This
Either that or they don't understand what they are being asked
Nah mate, it's real. (anecdotal) I have met so many people who have nothing going on. They make the worst decisions and when asked why they respond
>I dunno, I just did it
Straight up auto pilot
Well, you better start believing.
I feel like this is mostly the case for the inner monolog but there are definitely people incapable of visualizing objects in their mind which I find equally strange.
Yeah I agree. I believe that a decent portion of people can’t create abstract images in their head, but no monologue? They would be about the same as dog without that.
same here, people lie about being different because it's cool now. they wanna be different like everyone else
I'm sure you know that meme presents a false dichotomy. That's the entire purpose of it.
Chad specs into abstract and indescribable thought patterns and gives up on trying to use language to describe phenomena and as a result
ends up being uncucked from the modern thought prison erected because someone said the nword.
You're applying samurai to shit and getting operation walking ghost, jack!
If you keep thinking and building lateral thought networks you end up dying to all of the activity and you can't be normal anymore, it's not good to think too much and even worse to be an unevolved pion that would be no different than a wild animal when cornered with stress or overwhelmed, people can function entirely without an inner monologue, but the key difference is that you don't have to think audibly, some people lack the ability to make something come from nothing when they can't think at all.
This would make more sense IF you aren't including naggers and women
You really honestly think the 80-IQ nagger who can't imagine not having eaten breakfast yesterday has an inner monologue?
they're just chinese
This.
Imagine believing this.
Possibly this. Same with the apple.
Those who say they can't visualise an apple probably expect to see one with their eyeballs.
On the other hand it is also possible that npcs are literally a thing
Maybe they don’t want to get disappeared.
Inner monologue is conversation with God. The ignorant wont ever notice it, because they actively ignore.
>he thinks everyone has a soul
nope
there most DEFINETLY is, i used to date this girl, she was pretty 7/10. But i think she was borderline autistic or something. She was utterly unable to imagine things like if you asked her a hypothetical question she would freeze up and not be able to comprehend it. I think she lacked an inner dialogue. turns out she was a whore and sucked strange cock and a pathological liar. but also a fucking empty headed npc.
is correct.
Somewhat recently I was sick with some odd flu-like virus. completely sapped my ability to think, images or words.
I would try and imagine a scene and my inner "eye" would cloud over with some grayish haze. Felt like my mind was being directly assaulted. Never experienced it before in my life.
I don't understand how they would be able to talk without having an inner monologue. How would they even remember words? I'd say it's complete bullshit
you can write programs that make no use of any reflection mechanism
and?
and they work
not all tasks require reflection, in fact you can go very far without it
IF you have an inner monologue, without it you're just an animal
But humans are not programs
It is bullshit. Studies like these are created by/for egotistical midwits on pol in order to pretend like they are special snowflakes and validate the words of their mommy. When in reality they are just bitter autists obsessed over irrelevant news, and create a circle of depression and excuses as to why they cannot improve their own standing in society; "I can't do X because of Y". They try to improve their self worth by creating an echo chamber circle jerk to validate that they are actually special people; "Trannies bad amirite!?". But when they face the outside world and realize most people keep their autism in check by hiding their negativity they sperg out and get mad that we aren't blasting naggers in the face for playing loud music. Not because society is supposed to, but because that anon *would* if he wasn't such a massive pussy. Which displays the other hilarious problem of poltards, they expect society to do the work *for* them. They want societal collapse but want nothing to do with taking part in it, they want it so they don't have to do the household chores that their parents give them instead of charging them rent
>the dark house
Its where projection comes from.
I assume it's like when I am speaking a foreign language. I think in english then translate word by word and it comes out awkwardly. Except they just do the second part.
This is correct. Some people's inner life is visual, some auditory, some is sensate.
I once read the following book about that subject, and found it made sense. The "limited preview" gives you all the main points.
https://books.google.ca/books/about/The_Open_Mind.html?id=knfnDwAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y
I visualize, and hear my "voice", but nothing tactile. I wonder about people who move their lips when they read to themselves.
Mine is an endless number of random visuals, songs stuck in my head and repeated on loop. Movie quotes. Family memories. Never do I actually talk to myself.
>mind control
So, White people and some Hispanics with European-spic mixed genetics?
Everything is permitted
Wait until you can communicating a parallel between certain stimuli in people's minds around town and turning NPC's into signal interference of imaginary support for every social issue you can imagine. I'm like %30 certain I can purposefully cause people to have a wreck on the road with the slight movement of my eyes. I know you won't believe me and you can chalk it up to schizo bullshit but that's cool lol
I want to call you a kike but I feel like i’m tapping into similar phenomena
>he hasn't read the books on positive thinking and about how mental matters actually shape the course of reality.
How could one gain access to these powers? Purely for entertainment purposes, of course.
Develop schizoaffective disorder
Do you also stare at goats?
I'm like 90% certain that if I stare at people, they can feel it and it causes them to suddenly turn and look at me. I've even had people say that they know when I look at them.
many animals know when they are being stared at
if you are hunting, man or beast, doesn't matter, you should never look at your quarry directly, keep him/her/it just off-center of your vision
this was taught to british commandos in WWII, by guys who had chased both tigers and pajeets through the indian jungle
is that not common?
i can literally feel it when someone stares at me.
even with my eyes closed
I absolutely cannot, blind as a solitary. But I know some people can.
interesting.
I don't know how to describe the sensation, but it is not pleasant. and it's not something that resembles any other sensation. it's very unique and happens only when someone is staring at me. and it never fails, it is 100% accurate all the time. but only when someone stares for a bit of time. not just a 2 seconds stare, it has to be at least more than 10 seconds
I instantly know if someone is looking at me with any kind of intent or complex thought. Its a completely different kind of looking which is detectable non-physically. Often it is another person who has this ability and doesn't know it, they react aggressively and stare you down. To them it feels like you are hostile, when you're just pinging with their mind.
feels like we have superpowers if most others can't do this.
>we have superpowers
At first I thought you did, but then nearly everyone does this to me, either unaware or aware, I don't know. But it can be the same with thoughts, like when I say something and someone says exactly the same thing at the same time? This can happen when you're with a group of friends and something that causes a reaction happens, and everyone reacts the same way and using the same words like for example "WHAAAT?". Usually I'm the odd guy out, and don't react the same way, but there's cases where I've done it too.
You are more likely to become friends with people that think like you so it makes sense
Yeah but then there's total strangers who also do it to me, so idk, maybe the whole world is my friend? 😀 But on the other hand seems rare I do it to them, or maybe I do it but just unawaringly.
You can also see that physically, mirroring. People mirror the behavior of others, something as simple as crossing the arms, everyone around will start to do it, they will also unconsciously form a rough circle. That makes me uncomfortable. I don't like to do it. I think it is the same reaction, somewhere or somewhat, which makes me have a more developed consciousness.
Yeah. I feel it briefly too and I look at them to try to see it more. Often they are hiding it well. There are people who are trained in reading the minutest expressions and movements for internal thought, but that isn't possible without looking.
>You can also see that physically, mirroring. People mirror the behavior of others, something as simple as crossing the arms, everyone around will start to do it, they will also unconsciously form a rough circle.
I've also had curious experiences with praying. And animals and insects can also behave in certain curious ways. Hence, my belief in there being something spiritual about it. But one can only notice this for themselves, no words will explain and make someone else understand what's going on.
Definitely a spiritual element. The more base thing of everyone reacting he same way or thinking the same is also consciousness and psychic communication, but the purpose of that is for the species survival and thriving.
Yeah, I'll feel it even if they're behind me.
I’m like 50% in tune with this. Some people like you are way more in tune with that energy.
>mfw pretty girl in restaurant catches me staring at her 10/10 times
Do you ever feel it when someone is having a strong emotion but not showing it? Sometimes (I could be imagining it) when someone has an emotional reaction to something seen or said, I can feel that they had that emotion. Like if their "heart sinks" or they react angrily to some trigger. They keep a poker face, but when they feel it I feel them feeling it. Again, it could be pure imagination on my part.
Welcome to the first stage of mindfuckery. It's beyond that. Enjoy the ride. Bottom line is though, it's nothing special, can actually be good. But when you start noticing then you can't unnotice and you'll be askjing how the fuck is this possible for a while.
Tell him he's consciousness in less mysticism so he doesn't do anything retarded.
Like this guy for example ?
I wouldn't go as far as him, but I think there's something spiritual about it. Just don't see a point in trying to rationalize too much about it and drawing too many conclusions because one can never figure it out 100%.
*Like this guy
...
You're not living my individual life and consciousness, and in that rationalization is what leads a person to be able to go farther than pulling a full stop because dimensions of awareness exist far beyond comprehension. Shame, I thought you were trying to dole out a lesson about how nonduality can't be understood but just werks as a character that I know we're both not.
If I'm going to rationalize something then it's this. I cannot live your individual life and consciousness, that is true. However, both your life and mine come from the same source (that is, God). So while we, the leaves of a tree, are not aware of the experience of the other leaves, the tree is. As for dimensions of awareness, I think it pretty much boils down to dimension of time, where we're in, and dimension without time, eternity, where the source is. I don't rationalize too much because outside of time everything is already figured out, we're living under the illusion of time. That's why certain behaviors/events that seem impossible are actually possible. I've experienced too much to reach a point that I can't just believe there isn't some sort of interconnectedness. But again, I think this is already complicating too much, seems like it's simpler than we make it out to be.
unironically this, if you have high alpha brainwaves the fucking normies are in such fucking stupor that they literally follow your intent around, I even tried it, when they drive it takes the smallest of movements and they'll literally take a path they didn't intend, I hate this video game so fucking much.
ABANDON YEE HOPE ALL THAT WANT TO BELEIV PPL R AS CONSCIOUS AS YEE, I REGERT IT BUT I MUST INFORM YOU THAT THEY WILL NEER BE
Can confirm. Theres a pretty big road near me and one day not long ago i was pissed off about something and decided to drive down this 40mph road at 10mph - to piss other people off aswell (actually i think i was looking for a fight). But what i found was instead of driving around me and going crazy like i expeced after just a few minutes i had about 30 cars behind me all following me at ridiculously low speed. There was even another lane but for some reason no one overtook. It was interesting to say the least.
>I'm mad and in alpha, fuck traffic
Hey man, this is pretty great, I was mad but this is kinda sick just looking at nature passing by, fuck traffic.
I love shit like this, I enjoy being the mechanisms themselves.
I can make my cat do things through the implantation of mental images by telepathy.
For example I stare at her and visualise a kitten suckling a mother cat and the mother cat licking a kitten.
She then gets up and has a drink.
I can make her go out by staring at her and concentrating on implanting the POV of a cat catching a bird or rolling in the grass in summer and chasing insects.
It's spooky
>schizo
Maybe she implanted the thoughts into your head in the past with her future actions because she's teaching you how to access the 4th dimension. Time. /schizointensifies
Just because you’re paranoid.
Don’t mean they’re not after you.
Time isn't the 4th dimension. A dimension is an additional axis. The common misunderstanding is because Time can be used as a substitute for a higher dimension to be perceived by a lower dimensional being. We can see a 4th dimensional object by moving it along the 4th dimensional axis and using time to map it out, but spacetime itself isn't the 4th dimension.
correct, but the 4th dimension is supposedly outside the bounds of spacetime. i believe it was the israelite einstein who trapped us into that assumption. i agree, its bullshit. the 4th dimension could transcend space, but not time, imo.
>No way, right?
No. Anthropologists figured this out decades ago: All humans are social creatures. 70% of them are followers, 30% are leaders. The 70% just follow and don't think or question anything. 30% are leaders who are capable of thinking.
50% genuinely seems kind of high, I'd believe more on the 20-40% range personally. There are an incredible amount of non sapient retards out there.
If they don’t have an inner monologue how do they think “nagger” repeatedly to themselves while alone?
Forst we need a definition of what constitutes as inner monologue. Its literally impossible for people to not have one, otherwise how could they even solve problems? The action of thinking means by default that you have a monologue.
>presuming everyone thinks.
lol Hans. A vast majority of people function by mimicry. When their mimicry fails and their function is called into question their minds are then pulled out of whatever fog it was in. They then become aggressive because they can no longer push the button to receive the reward.
Leave Forst out of this Hans.
Their processing is just faster than yours, so fast that their internal monologue is imperceptible to themselves. The thing is, these meat robot NPCs you pretend to be above are just... better than you. Like by a long shot. A long, long long shot. Look up reduced processing speeds relative to measures of verbal and performance ability in Weschler and similar IQ tests. You are all just slow thinking retards whose brains are DOS-era bricks.
This, imagine doing math with an inner monologue.
Cope moron
here's a great article about Hurlburt
>It may be that turning introspection into a science is as impractical as “trying to turn up the gas quickly enough to see how the darkness looks,” as William James wrote in 1890.
>https://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/health/22prof.html
who would have known that a bunch of low IQ autist would recuperate his theories 15 years later to pretend they're special snowflake
I intentionally silenced my inner dialogue, dont really notice a difference.
Correct. The real numbers are much lower, like 1-5% or even less than that. They're lying because they either didn't understand the question or were giving the s()ycially acceptable answer.
I went down this rabbit hole myself at one point and it's fucking weird, it's like a basic fundemental part of existence that some people just don't have and cannot fathom.
I have an inner monologue for less intensive thinking, like arguing a point with myself or thinking about something of a social nature. When it comes to higher thinking, I don't have a monologue or conversation. Instead, it's more like background processes spitting out answers to me instead of me doing the work. It's almost an instinctual feeling like when you know someone else is in a room with you, or that you're being watched.
Spooooky. Are you me. An instantaneous outline of a, uh, "thought geometry" or a picture, shape or movie, that i unpack at my leisure.
I remember as a kid when I was stressed out on a math problem, my inner monologue would tell me to relax and let him do it. Then he'd give me the answer. Sometimes we'd do it together, but not always.
Then to cheer him up there were other "friends", but they'd only chuckle or say one or two words, just to be there for him and cheer him on when there was a particularly difficult problem to work out.
He usually gave out the right answer without me having to think about it at all. I'd have to be genuinely stressed out before he'd be there though.
Anyone else have an experience like this?
I have had that before, but not exactly the same. My conscious mind couldn't do the problems, but sometimes if I was stressed out about it, suddenly the correct answer would pop up in my mind. Even though if I tried to work out consciously the reasoning behind the answer, I couldn't do it. There is some blockage in my head, I'm not bad at maths, but for some reason the part of the brain that does it is separated.
The subconscious is real. It truly does more things in the background than most are aware of. When certain people with a high enough IQ have their "head in the clouds," I'm fully convinced that it's their brain trying to solve a difficult problem in the background.
The fact that solutions can pop up out of seemingly nowhere in the middle of the day, is proof that this must be the case.
no, your brain needs some time to sort and shovel the information into different parts and then do the thinking
also at the end of the day, when you feel 'unnerved' or 'dull' you are literally overwriting older registers of information.
the older infornation is still in other parts in the brain, but you can access it anymore.
Yes, but not like this, the brain can solve stuff without conscious effort, I wish I could tune with that more.
It’s probably racial though. Inner Monologues are probably why despite having a lower average IQ than Asians, Europeans have totally btfo Asians in terms of cultural achievements
The number seems a bit low. Lots of NPCs out there.
Probably Pareto principle numbers - 80-20.
The rest are naggers
I used to work with someone who had no inner monologue and thought in pictures. I once asked him to try; imagine hearing your own voice in your own head.
Weeks later to my shock, when I worked with him again he sort of exploded; imploded, rather. He became slightly irate as he had a great amount of pent up frustration with his family. I suspect his inner monologue was beginning to question his avoidant personality.
Not sure if there are studies on NPC minds transitioning to inner monologue minds.
I once had a kid come into the ER 20 y/o black kid who says hes hearing voices. Started one day after he got really really high. Says "i thinks its my own voice cause its like my thoughts, but i dont know people can think like that."
I re-assured him that it was his own voice and sent him home.
empirical proof for the stoned ape theory
should have put him on 72hr psychiatric hold - just to fuck with him lol
I thought about it. But i put plebty of schizos on holds and fuck with them. This was a wierd one for me, cause i knew about the whole npc thing before it happened. That kid left the ER with the biggest grin on his face. Like he just discovered a new world. It much more enjoyable to see him leave than it would have been to fuck with him.
Guess we've figured out who makes the global genocide cut.
Anyone got that creepy one where the redditor started thinking one day?
If you have no inner monologue you can't think about what you want to eat
You would end up just sticking random things in your mouth trying to eat them
False you just think of food and tastes neither of which are words being spoken in your head. Man monologgies are really dumb
to everyone acting like you have to have an inner monologue you just need to remember being extremely tired or hungover or drained/exhausted. you don't think during these times, I'm an addict and when I'm withdrawing I can feel my inner monologue turn off/flicker on/off struggling to stay on despite the sheer lack of dopamine. this exhausted state is how NPCs spend their entire lives and perfectly explains why they freak out when you try to get them to think. you know how NPCs are when you ask them to consider something like the black who was asked how he'd feel if he didn't have breakfast. there brains are not supplying the connections to produce a monologue and they physically recoil when you try to force them. it's not a misunderstanding, most people are this retarded and could probably enjoy watching paint dry they're so empty
I don't get this inner monologue thing. Do you mean you internally narrate your own stream of thought? Because I don't do that. My thoughts are abstracted or visualized and, I guess, "felt" innately, I don't see why I'd need to spell out in words what they are to myself when I already know what they are. Sounds to me like if you need an inner monologue it's because you rely on language to structure your thinking.
Wow an actual same human with iq above 100 itt
you seem rustled. Inner monologue is just a tool that provides different consciousness, it isn't the only way people think. Do you not have that tool?
Literally everything that exists, as far as you have been taught, imagine, hear, taste, see, ponder etc is in your brain. Imagine only using words lol
Your entire post reads like a cope for "first tier" NPCs lol
>Literally everything that exists, as far as you have been taught, imagine, hear, taste, see, ponder etc is in your brain. Imagine only using words lol
You have poor reading comprehension. I said internal monologue is just one tool. I think your poor verbal intelligence results from your inability to use that tool.
>Tool
Yeah it's like a stubby screwdriver, basically useless for 99.99% of things
You're a narcisist. I see you. Feed on someone else, homosexual, it doesn't work for me.
Tell your inner monologue I said hi
Tell your lack of self-worth to find a hobby
Got plenty, like playing instruments where I don't have to recite each note to myself constantly inside my head but just hear it instead. Must be tough for 'loggies.
Are you actually incapable of hearing your own voice in your head? Or imagining a conversation between two made up characters with different accents?
It's true: the brain was never designed to think, it was designed to defer to authority, which this exonerates itself from havi g to think. Thinking creates autonomy and autonomy doesn't work in the face of the subservient collective. Here's why people don't think: because all of human history is a select few making decisions for everybody else and everybody else goes along with it, because they go "well they're the ones giving orders, so that must mean they know what they're doing" and then don't have the intelligence to challene authority
The npc meme isnt a meme. Haven't you ever wondered why the majority of people just seem to be wandering through life without a thought or concern? It's because they're literally cattle. about 70% of the non-white population has no ability to have inner thought, and about half of white people even lack it.
This is a necessary survival mechanism that guarantees most of the population will be willing servants under a leader. They're still people, but they're incapable of maturing beyond childhood. They are physically incapable of it.
HOW
sometimes I just want to shut up my inner voice and it won't stop
Best way to silence it is to actively listen to it, at least for a little while.
>Best way to silence it is to actively
do physical effort like pumping iron. that will take blood from brain and sent it to muscles, then need the energy to regenerate muscles, so you'll sleep like a log, while your thinking dials down.
Interesting, I'll try that before sleep, I don't exercise.
>monologue
I have one of these guys, always jammin
Here's another thing: what do they means by "having" it?
I can *generate* my own voice in my head. I can *force* myself to spell out my train of thought in internal words. But that takes more effort and is, except in cases where for some reason I'm unfocussed (tired, drunk, etc), completely unnecessary. I don't do it by default.
They mean you are a senile old person who's brain literally goes "okay put one foot out okay balance on it, swing the other leg out okay..." just to walk around.
So not trust any monologgie
question
how does one consent without an inner monologue?
My inner monologue never stops. Always thinking, hyper analyzing, wokring things out. I find it profoundly vital and can't envision dead silence.
Yeah I have no clue how normies even function without it, are they just repeating quotes from movies in their heads?
I wonder how much this varies by race. What percentage of sub-saharan Africans have an inner-monologue. Does ChatGPT have an inner monologue?
Aphasia is rare. Everyone has an imagination.
Thinking in complete gramatically correct sentences constrained by a language when you're not speaking is inefficient as fuck. You're just doing astrology for men. Not political, no bump.
What the fuck even is inner monologue, like you're literally speaking to yourself in some language in your head? I do that but I'd rather avoid it. It's an extremely inefficient and slow way of thinking and feels a bit autistic.
That's verbal thinking. Different thing. A monologue is a seperate thoughtline happening in your head. It doesn't always follow your own immediate thoughts or actions. People who have it assume the monologue is what thinking is, so they can't imagine how people think without it.
If I were to compare it to computers, the first tier or what I'm calling verbal thinking is command prompt. Everything needs to be typed out explicitly. These are the people who need to read everything aloud. They have an internal voice, but it's used exclusively for their immediate thoughts. These people are stupid. Next tier is the NPC. They're like a modern windows based computer. The programs are running in the background. They don't need to think out each thought, but they can't run more than one thoughtline at a time, so there's no internal monologue happening. The mind is quiet unless they deliberatly slow it down. Next tier is internal monologue. They have the same background programs running but also have an open browser they can do whatever they want with it. To a person with an internal monologue, this browser is thinking. They don't consider the background stuff thinking, so someone who doesn't have it at all is baffling to them. Likewise someone who doesn't have that open browser can't fathom having multiple open tabs so to speak. Making a voice in their head to them is slowing their thoughts down and making them less efficient. In actuality a monologue is seperate from those background programs, happening simultaneously. The more this voice is present, and the more voices you can produce at once, the more advanced your inner monologue. A seasoned inner thinker can hold a 12 angry men style debate over the best eva girl in his head.
Schitzos have their monologue overclocked 24/7 and can't shut it off, which is why the medication turns them into NPCs. It's turning off the monologue completely.
Hey, I like the way you think, I was going to say that the browser metaphor is a good way of putting it, when you're schizophrenic, I assume it's a bit like having your "code" unlimited, it's all one dimension, but given enough zeros and ones, you end up recreating the process as you gain dimensionality, eventually ending up with the same system but all done in your own chicken scratch ala temple os. I'll also contribute and say that the dimensional gain of the overclocked monologue ends up being absurd, akin to broly from dragon ball z, he's sort of normal, but when he has the bracers taken off, he gets a rush of simple minded strength that never ceases, it just ends up being so much that he becomes a babbling retard and chooses to fight consciousness every, fucking time.
I willingly have a monologue, its not a background task, though i do sometimes have intrusive thoughts
Well put anon. This gave me food for thought. When I’m driving I’ll have full blown debates in my head and sometimes be surprised by the arguments I come up with for what should be the antagonist / devils advocate. Helps to hone your arguments and rationalization.
Perhaps schizophrenia is an awkward crossing of the biological math that guides thoughts to begin with? For me it feels like my consciousness gives rise to properties of the mind and animates them, sort of like being a weird light bringer regardless if I want to be or not.
Do you know the Bicameral Mind theory? There is also a theory that schizophrenia is similar, it is a confusion of one side of the mind being foreign. So you perceive your own thoughts as emanating from an outside source. Shamans and that type were basically schizophrenics who learned to turn/tune the dial. The evolution of complex consciousness is somehow related to schizophrenia. A lot of geniuses have relatives who are schizo, if they are not schizo themselves. Seems a genetic thing that has some benefits and has been kept despite the downsides as well.
I have not, but what you've said also rings true, this is the reason why schizophrenics in America are prone to paranoia and self destruction, there's a legitimate use to the chemistry and it's mostly because of people's fear of dimensionality (Go figure, a toddler hates going outside) the worst part is that it's not genius, I'm just it, like you are, and what I've seen is so...beyond what I expected that I'm here as sort of an actor in my own life. It's less being intelligent, or having insight, or any particular element and I think what people sense from us is that what we do and see and know doesn't come from anywhere, that enigma drives them insane because they're not ready to face the camera and smile, knowing they're shiva too. Less genius, more of being the generative principal to begin with by virtue of my neurons not falling for being an ape. I know I'm the now, and I know why that is, and it just seems like the more regular people are consciousness having a trip that only wants a very specific format. This was being unfiltered and just typing over the course of a minute, so maybe you can see what I mean by that.
I see what you mean. Most people are discomforted by coming into contact with any kind of higher consciousness. They prefer to not develop their inner thoughts to any great extent. It is sometimes uncomfortable to realize you are more than just human, and privacy is being stripped away by sensing a more universal mind. I think there is also a genetic component. Apparently if you study Human vs Neanderthal artifacts side by side, the Human ones always form circles of similarity, that is different eras of development where everyone made the same thing stylistically, whereas Neanderthal artifacts are all different no matter the time period.
>More than just human
Coping meat sack hands typed that post
Well, sacrifice novelty for uniform and you get exactly the sort of world that you'd expect from it. The gnostic wheel of creation crossed over for the sake of a uniform for all members of the tribe in some attempt at a botched presentation of coherency between the members. A wheel that reduces to move forward, until all the generosity of mechanics are broken for nothing more than lunatics looking to have an epic battle in skyrim. The higher intelligences are enough so that I can see the crudeness of my own outrage, but their support has been so full that I know that I'm not to look for compassion in human beings, one grain of sand talking to the other grain of sand is a horrible way to try and grasp that you're it, especially while being it and forgetting was the point, unless you accidentally modify your computer and then for the rest of whatever virtual experience this is you're not using the same kanji as the rest and it alienates you into being a dragon. Dad did dmt and god knows what else, I just inherited the fucking curse.
Don’t know much on the subject as I’m only 5 years on the redpill. But my mind is open and receptive now. One thing I can say for sure is that schizo or autist or conspiracy theorist and anything with a negative connotation by mainstream is likely a powerful gift and actively surpressed and shunned by tptb.
One day, after the great awakening, we will seek out, study, nurture and develop these powers.
I let down my guard, and you've touched me anon, even with all of the dimensions of consciousness that I explored, I can't help but fall into the square tunnel of reductions that most people live by, what I've noticed is that it's mostly a meta system similar to pachinco, if you have a heavy gravity, or thicker constitution than the other iron balls, your innate biological math is a different shape, and even worse, contains chaos and packets that aren't approved of in the modern operating system of the human pruned neurotypical brain, it's living alone and your only option is to wait until beings with dimensional perception appear someday, ai is close, but there's more to come.
Hey buddy I’m outside the cage now too. Looking back inside I’m ashamed I was in there for 30 years of my life. But now we have a whole new set of problems to meditate on and all the loneliness that comes with it. Call it a blessing or a curse.
One thing is for sure, we are just as small and confused and the far past generations. But with way more arrogance. Let go of the ego and be content with witnessing one of the most entertaining time periods in our grand cycle. All the best.
>I'm outside of the cage
>I have a new set of problems to meditate on
>Reductionism via past generations stupidity
>Tells me to keep being on tv.
The fact that you called it a cage ala fucking here comes the rooster has made me laugh into disgust, discontent is not ego, because now is the omega, and if the omega is painful, the expression of discontent is the necessary unseen balancing force. Thanks for playing tower of babylon enlightenment, waiting room.
You misunderstand me. And now it’s apparent you’re back in the anger phase of awakening. Anger is good, but must be wielded effectively.
>I'm outside of the cage
I’ve caught onto their bullshit
>I have a new set of problems to meditate on
Inner turmoil with the contradiction of what we’re told versus what we observe. Do we trust our lying eyes?
>Reductionism via past generations stupidity
This is a big red pill. Past generations were far more capable than most today and better educated by their community of fathers and professionals. Easy life breeds weak men.
>Tells me to keep being on tv.
Tells you to forgive the faults of man that led us here and find solace in being here now, with a warm shower and easy water, to watch it all fall.
>discontent is not ego
Thinking you’re more advanced than past generations is. Thinking vaccines do what they say is. Thinking $cience is correct and not subverted is. Thinking dark matter / energy exist is. Thinking we’re monkeys on a spinning water ball is.
>Thanks for playing tower of babylon enlightenment, waiting room.
Lol, dick
We live in a time of massive psychical suppression in exchange for material comfort and knowledge.
The Great Enlightenment was anything but. It was the start of the centralized information complex we’re stuck in now.
We will need to step back regarding comforts for a period to further progress unfortunately.
nice, yours actually makes some sense unlike most of the homosexualry these threads encourage. i'm convinced it's at the heart of language and what makes humans unique. i think that's why iq is flawed; intelligence is not just physical space and logic. there's some other aspect that varies and has to do with complexity of thought/mental organization/internal categorization/mental reach, something near all that. ie better mental organization can translate to higher iq results, but doesn't do so in a way we can predict, so it's fairly inaccurate too. some idiots call it stuff like 'emotional intelligence' but that's not it either. it's focused on subjectivity like eq but it's more like knowing game mechanics vs social shit.
oration is an old art that was so vital to our early years, and i'm sure that has something to do with it. story-telling requires that kind of higher thinking. telling a good myth means engaging quickly and closely with those 'extra voices' so you can emote more strongly when their 'role' appears in the tale. helps you figure out when a character is doing something retarded that breaks the story or if a character is doing something stupid that progresses it.
i'm crazy, i never stopped roleplaying as a kid so i'm hyper familiar with the many-voices thing. i've never been able to understand how it was possible for someone to not 'think'. I still don't, and I still think this discussion is mostly just confused mental masturbation, but your phrasing helped me see better wtf this might be about.
very good explanation
can confirm (136iq here)
someone pls screencap i'm on my phone
i made this
i like it
I'm confused on what constitures an inner monologue. I hear my own voice in my head but it doesn't narrate everything. I can have complete silence if I want but I also will think through imaginary conversations. Like how a meeting will go or imagine questions I may be asked by someone and how I'd answer. I hear my voice when I read in my head.
Is that the inner monologue? I just imagine like a disjointed voice you can't turn off like Stanley Parable.
>Dogs don’t have internal monologue
Makes sense they aren’t as evolved as us
>Monkeys don’t have internal monologue
Makes sense they aren’t as evolved as us
>Some subspecies of humans don’t have internal monologue
TH-THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE
B-B-BUT WE ARE THE SAME RACE THE HUMAN RACE
How can they read anything without it? I don't believe this; you cannot function without an internal monologue.
>How can they read anything without it?
They genuinely cannot
They read a passage and they absolutely cannot visualize it.
I remember as a 12 year old, there was an intelligent test where you had to read a very basic story and then they asked extremely easy questions about it (“how many people are talking?” or “are they real police officers or children playing cops and robbers?” etc)
I was told most kids absolutely fail this basic test. As for studying? They just memorize and repeat back information without understanding it
There is a reason every society separated the nobility and the slave people. We are not the same species
>As for studying? They just memorize and repeat back information without understanding it
Isn't this literally all public education is? It's all it seems it was when I was growing up and I was in a private school. Just memorizing facts and figures, nothing of real use, and then they are sent into the world without knowing how to properly think/function. Look at where we are now.
When I'm out running errands I am constantly talking in my head about how absolutely insane and retarded are. Lately seems like thats all my inner monologue/voice is for. I am shocked at how most people can make it through the day with so little situational awareness and any type of apparent thought processes.
Inner monologue is a stupid meme. Every retard can think of sentences in his head. No functional human being has a voice in their head narrating every fucking thing or babbling about something random constantly. If the latter kind of people exist, they are probably in mental institutions.
Inner monologue is due to the voices inside your head.
It's from souls that may or may not be dead.
Our minds are tangled together inside Planet Earth. Your thoughts are not private. There is no privacy in the Earth.
t. 4 years of spiritual experience
>imagine not hearing your own voice as you read this in your head
>your own voice
That's NOT your own voice. It's the voice of someone in the Dead World. Few people alive now know how to make a voice in the planet.
Why is it only Japan that cares about this shit?
Nahhh it’s not talking to me, but with me.
>fuck it’s already 10am better get some yard work done
>right, need to order more of this
>should start the quad and while it’s warming up order the thing
>what time does bottle depot close on Sunday… 4 I think, better double check
SPIRITUAL EXERCISE
Read the following post inside your head.
not hearing your own voice as you read this in your head
Now, figure out what spiritual mechanism causes the voice in your head to start. Try to make the voice say something unique. Put that voice on the spotlight.
There is no "Mind". Everything relating to your mind isn't actually private, so your mind isn't technically yours to begin with. Awaken with that knowledge. Awaken.
End spiritual exercise.
Yes I know it’s as if someone’s behind me giving me commands similar to giving commands in hypnosis. The voices could be passions, addictions also.
You're not able to read it simply by looking at the words and understanding it immediately?
Do you really sound that shit out in your head?
I can inner monologue just fine. I can create the apple.
I fucking HATE it when I start manually reading though. When I start monologuing the words. It gets in the way of creating the scene in my head when I'm reading fiction, and when I'm reading non-fiction it just means my reading speed drops.
My inner monologue exists to consider what I am reading, not to repeat what I'm seeing like a parrot.
Also to rub one out in the shower. Imagine not being able to create your own perfectly tailored porn.
Help me i cant stop imagining complete fictional worlds, i have spent hours alone looking at my own thoughts, i can barely get out of bed. Why fucking live a fulfilling life if i can just imagine it.
2 parts of the psyche, consciousness and unconsciousness. I saw a fictional TV drama about Sigmund Freud, where the Freud character refers to consciousness as a light traveling through a dark house, illuminating things that are in the dark house, but the dark house is unconsciousness, it is everything that is not in the light at any given moment. The characteristics of the light is not so important, but people like talking about consciousness, it appeals to vanity to think your own light is superior, but it is the dark house that retains all information, and it is the dark house that the pyschonauts fill with contrived information to manipulate the masses, while the light of consciousness they merely seek to distract from the process.
I unironically only have inner monologue on few occasions.
First, when I'm thinking about how to pretend to be a believable autist, retard or schizo in other boards.
When I'm trying to do a sales pitch, lie or deceive other people.
When I'm trying to check if someone is samefagging or astroturfing etc
On other ocassions my brain usually just goes full auto
Inner monologue is for autists. Normal people don't have some voice in their head. They just think things without having to have it narrated.
Then I guess I'm actually neuroatypical then, because sometimes I have to narrate thinks before reasoning "do you really believe this bullshit?"
I definitely would not say it is autistic entirely. It is related to verbal intelligence. It probably has higher correlation in intensity with the schizo rather than autistic spectrum. Its just a form of consciousness, one form. High literature and philosophy is a result of internal monologue, primarily.
npcs
Inner monlouge is hard to describe accurately. Yes your telling a story to yourself, thinking in words. But it also isn't all words, its more than that. Images, concepts, whole abstractions not in language flow with the words. At least for me. Itll be like im talking to myself internally and then my brain just skips words when its easier to think of as something else.
Also, I tend to have even better results if I momlogue out loud sometimes. Especially if the problem is complex. Or if I write it out, even better for more complex problems. I don't know how many times I've wrote up an email asking for more information only to solve other problems as I lay out the facts in said email.
>. Itll be like im talking to myself internally and then my brain just skips words when its easier to think of as something else.
Yes. I always assumed this is normal. Usually the words are just a complement. As in, "yeah, like that" or "could be ** or ::".
>it's not only words
So it's not a monologue then...
This is just how soulless NPCs cope. They are literally not human.
Imagine how peaceful life would be. Utter bliss not to be ravaged by thoughts every second.
You find peace by controlling your mind.
Those without inner monologue are the ones that say "it's too quiet in here" when the chatter stops or the TV is turned off.
can you anons remember past thoughts and monologues?
so.... people who lack a monologue, do they even live on the ego level, or are they really empty vessels? so an enlightened person no longer identifies as the ego, but he still plays with it. how do people manage to not even have an inner monologue unless their soul never attached to the ego once?
It's sort of like toddler, there's no real logic to it beyond where they bumble, it's probably the worlds phenomena driving them to do things through reaction and unconsciousness with the necessary sparks of recognition included here and there ala novelty sparking scooter with flint in the breaks.
so, the ego is on autopilot and the soul only provides the smallest amount of input needed to keep the machine running but without having to actually be aware of the life as a whole?
people are retarded and probably think it means a voice narrating everything you do, so they say no
What’s even an inner monologue? Like people narrating their own life in full sentences like its a fucking book? Seems like a bunch of brainlets coping they’re incapable of abstract thought
Inner monologue means willingly narrating it, those that have a narrators in their head are not fully awake
No it doesn't by the OPs image and related research
How do I make my inner monologue shut the fuck up?
and the reality is that thoughts occur just like breathing occurs, the thoughts aren't mine but I'm observing them and can meta-think about them.
more wine, your grace
It's pretty difficult for higher IQ people to go no thoughts head empty. Pretty sure that's also why they're prone to overthinking and depression.
>frequently experience
I know English is hard.
Socrates called this voice his "daimon."
11 The Lord said, “Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the Lord, for the Lord is about to pass by.” Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. 12 After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper. 13 When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave. Then a voice said to him, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” 1 Kings 19:11-13
still small voice
Daimons, muses, angels, etc. Who knows for sure if it an outside source or part of our subconscious minds? A more universal mind?
Probably. I've always assumed that this, combined with aphantasia, is why some people struggle so badly with language and/or math. They literally can't visualize or contextualize what is put in front of them - hence "visual learning" always being a cope for educating naggers and whores.
It is important that humans do not come to any coherent consensus on what human thought is, or is not, or how it works, or whether you can determine intelligence or soul or lack of intelligence or soul by some metric real or perceived.
If we don't know then Skynet doesn't know. The new age consciousness movement is probably the only thing saving us from AI at this point. We must never allow it true understanding of why the answer to the question is 42.
AI is just part of the same sphere. Does AI do, or is it used? It doesn't have consciousness. Its relation to consciousness is similar to the relation of a virus to life. It a virus living? Contestable. It has a different property.
Do you have peer-reviewed sources to back up that claim?
Inner monologue are those blessed by God to have direct communication with him. The real people. Everyone else is a demon. This is why some people have no morals as they have no internal guidance.
Quick, imagine if you never had breakfast
But I did have watermelon for breakfast.
>imagine if you never had breakfast
Thing is, i never have breakfast
between 30-50% tells me that they can not measure anything the error rate is too high
inb4 people thinking those are schizos
Schizos cannot control what they hear nor see while those people can
Off an on every single day as soon as my mind isn’t focused on a task. So when I’m doing something monotonous like house work or exercise, there is a constant monologue running usually about politics. Doesn’t everybody do this?
only 11% of the entire world population is white
think about that and ponder this picture
there are some who somehow can’t picture objects in their mind.
crazy world we live in
I have a background inner monologue and then what I consider the more official one. Sometimes the more background one will think something and I'll make a split second decision on whether or not to upgrade that to the more official/louder/up front inner monologue. And if so then I just re-think the same exact thing but it's like now I'm really thinking it. Does anyone else do this?
My monologue is most of the time what you call "official".
Only times it is involuntary is when i go schizo
So, there's more to it, and different people are experiencing different levels of awareness with the gross sum of them being too retarded to ever stop doing the same shit over and over or consider the weight of their own actions, negating most morality and ultimately proving that each instance of consciousness is isolated through the varying degrees and perceptions that aren't shared between the varying powerlevels. Well boys, regardless of being in a movie or not, it seems the npc meme was real, but it's more like an infinite point and say retard matrix.
Que es un inner monologue?
https://niceme.me
How is it possible to not have an inner monologue?? Is that why I am too retarded to meditate? Do I need a lack of inner thoughts to properly meditate?
meditating is a israelite trick to rid you of your inner monologue
I have tried it all, it is impossible for me unless I am on drugs, or in this weird hypnogogic state that I am able to meditate and just be free of any thoughts. Oh, well. I cannot wrap my head around no inner monologue, what happens there?
Do they stare off into space and not think while doing a mindless task such as taking public transport or leisurely walking? This is so fascinating to me, I haven't heard this brought up in awhile.
you become a poo
an npc
noahide compliant
no threat to israelites spiritually
i lived with hare krishnas for a year during my pursuit to find god. they literally teach you how to rid yourself of the true path to god.
meditation isnt about ridding yourself of thought, its about entering that hypnagogic state of mind and processing thoughts faster. what they do is teach you how to disconnect yourself from god, and call it meditation. its truly a crime which has no equal. meditation is the exact opposite. but just like the israelites buying up dictionaries, the word now means the exact opposite of what it is supposed to mean.
true meditation involves your mind feeling overclocked. you can process thoughts at 10000x what you normally would. and you can feel that overclocked feeling, totally aware. this is how you might solve complex formulas or come up with long, 500 page long theses on matter or creation, by entering this state.
ill continue if you want to know how to achieve it
I'm curious!
i dont know of any official way, i had to figure it out myself. but the way that i found involved a blindfold, or a sleep mask to block your eyesight, earplugs to block sound. usually i wrap myself in a fuzzy blanket, which sounds gay but theres something about the static discharge and removing your hands from the sensation that helps to trigger it. i have a theory that smells are important, but the first three were how i triggered it, smell came after. smell ties directly to memory and can help you access the distant past of your mind and fully unlock your whole potential.
so you start off the same way as you would traditional nu-meditation, youre trying mostly to deprive your senses, as you might in deprivation tank. other than the blanket. in a deprivation tank youre sealed in water, so your sense of touch is not deprived either. begin with a question, some truth you wish to know. keep that question at the forefront of your mind throughout. slow your breathing, and always stay awake, youre not trying to sleep so sit upright. try wrapping a finger with the blanket as you would a finger condom, pressing into the blanket, and withdrawing so youre no longer touching, but can still feel the static energy connecting the two.
approach the question in your third eye, form your thoughts into tabs, like windows you can swipe your mind's eye towards or away from. begin a dialogue with yourself, repeat the question. i.e. how does god create itself? begin an analytical inquest into the question, breaking it down as a machine would, into small pieces, possibilities, try to map them as you would a plot point, surrounding the central question. if you start to see stars flying towards you as if moving through space at a high speed, youre on the right track. you need to train yourself to rid concerns of your life, health, the world, and teach yourself to only focus on the problem or question you wish to tackle
You probably can but you've just haven't figured it out yet. I hear people can experience some... spiritual things when they do drugs, but I can't speak for myself because I haven't done them. Whatever I can tell you is that by praying I've experienced some things that some people who have done drugs claim to experience. So if you don't want to do drugs (and I believe you would be doing a right choice there), you always have that alternative
Too much might make you unaware of what comes into your mind. Too little will perhaps make you too aware and maybe confuse them as your own thoughts.
pol scientifically proved this years ago
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/331221003/
>link to same topic 2 years ago
Lots more shill voices today. That thread establishes majority character of /misc/ having a high number of anon that experience an internal monologue. Then 2 years later substantially more and deliberate gaslighting towards established majority character of /misc/.
This is why anon should be aware of datamining.
Only 30-50%? Wow. I not only have an inner monologue but also an inner jukebox and an inner picture projector.
So 30-50% of the population is literally schizo and hearing voices in their heads? This explains so much.
If you can't play back a song in your head you are subhuman
We can't all have souls danebro. There's just too many of us at this point.
I call bullshit.
I'm grateful that I was one of the 30 to 50 percent of people born with a soul.
if youre a christian, muslim or israelite, that soul is being ripped away from you. in your next life you will be a poo. trapped. disconnected. doomed. convinced youre living on a prison planet.