The war in Ukraine shows that the stationary artillery is still valid

Russians are using a 152 mm artillery gun 2A36 - made in 1975 - to lob shells at the Ukrainians somewhere in the Kupiansk area.
>https://files.catbox.moe/hdqt1h.MP4
Supposedly the gun can fire at max range of 19 miles/30 kilometers. The Russians insist that their gun is accurate. Since Ukraine doesn't use drones as much as the Russians do - these Russian artillerymen can do their job in a routine manner. An ordinary artillery gun, not a fancy wunderwaffle, will always be the main tool of modern and future warfare.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My thoughts exactly. Wunderwaffens play no role and when russia and finland do battle it will be cannon vs cannon and howizer vs howizer.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      none of which your country will have
      no ammo either, if the first point wasnt enough

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And without wunderwaffen we're basically back to WW1 but with drones that drop grenades on your ass when you take a shit. You'd have to shoot down satellites to be able to bring back meaningful fog of war that would allow significant hidden maneuvers.

      Keep in mind that Ukraine war only a relatively small regional conflict, despite NATO support behind Ukraine. If a true World War went to happen (and didn't go nuclear for some reason), it would be a huge shit show considering the state of most armies in the world.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget the shovel vs shovel trench warfare. The time of the melee battles didn't go away - it simply transformed to the modern conditions.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look at those Finns preparing for actual war instead of killing farmers with AK rifles.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do they have enough ammo stockpiles to be able to feed all that artillery for months ?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a bit scary how cost efficient some military weapons can be and how some extremely old models are absurdly powerful.
    >WW1 machine guns definitely beat 99% of the weapons US civilians have, they can put out a rain of death.
    >WW2, or even WW1 artillery has several kilometers of range and a good accuracy
    >RPGs that can be made on a basement will destroy any vehicle that doesn't have reactive armor in one shot, can have a great range, accurate, and some upgrades can be made to even destroy tanks with said armor
    >we now have cheap drones now, which are almost as effective as fucking guided predator missiles, practically in the hands of all of humanity

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Always though that old platforms with new tech can work. Mig 31 with hypersonics arty whit guided munition. But drones are the mvp.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i dont think rpgs can be made out of a basement. The shaped charge maybe but surely not the rocket motor and booster.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    An American in Ukraine
    • 3 weeks ago
      An American in Ukraine
      • 3 weeks ago
        An American in Ukraine
  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    meanwhile HIMARS has 300km range, is more accurate, and can't be countered without air superiority which russia still hasn't established

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Each rocket costs 100k.
      The whole system is extremely expensive and if it's blown up you just lost a few millions in one shot.

      Meanwhile, even Gaza can fire artillery shells, as well as mortars, drones, and RPGs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You do realize the Russians have the equivalent of Himars right? Short-medium-long range precision missiles aren’t new. In fact not too long ago a bunch of AFU officers got rekt by such a strike.
      The thing you /k/ retards don’t realize is dumb artillery has its use, and there’s a reason why the side with more of it and who can fire the most is winning and the side that lacks it is not.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The thing you /k/ retards don’t realize is dumb artillery has its use
        of course. for instance, using it to cut off tokmak and the last rail line that can resupply russian troops on the east-west axis.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody tell this homosexual that they already built a railway out of HIM/HERS range.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            may we see it?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              why is it always amerimutts usually spics (minadeo, martinez) or weird gay paganlarper mystery meats (asatru, grindr greg, cucktribe) that shills for israelitekraine?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why is it always gypsies and mongol rapebabies calling white americans mutts?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >WE WUZ VIKANGZ N SHIT

                kys already dysgenic amerimutt asatru trailer trash

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                israelite claws typed this^

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                t.mutt paganlarper sodomite

      • 3 weeks ago
        sage

        >The thing you /k/ retards don’t realize is dumb artillery has its use
        uh retard, /k/ does not think that. They're well aware that quanitity has a quality of it's own.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They still aren't well aware that Ukraine isn't winning though. Well, feds don't really care about reality I guess, they're just there for the paycheck.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Very noice false equivalency

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why are /k/opetards so clueless?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why are ziggers so delusional?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          These are going to be posted ironically for years after the war is over, but you won’t see them since your funding is about to hit “the end of the rope”
          American adhd is going to be the cause of yet again, hundreds of thousands of people dying and millions being displaced , to provide a security blanket for liberal fee fees

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They get payd less then glownaggers. You already had your deprograming anti semitism training?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Weren’t a ton of AFU planes shot down last week? That’s not even being hidden by the west

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >meanwhile HIMARS can't be countered'
      These have been made largely irrelevant for over a year because Russia Spoofs the GPS coordinates that US missiles and bombs rely on.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How could they do this?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Easily. If you transmit on GPS frequencies with more power than the satellites, receivers will blindly take your signal instead.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            GPS satellites are so high up that the signal on the earth is about as powerful as a lightbulb, it’s easy to jam by transmitting fake data with a powerful transmitter on earth.
            It’s like a sun overpowering the starlight.

            zigger shills are better at EW than the actual russian military

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          GPS satellites are so high up that the signal on the earth is about as powerful as a lightbulb, it’s easy to jam by transmitting fake data with a powerful transmitter on earth.
          It’s like a sun overpowering the starlight.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Easily. If you transmit on GPS frequencies with more power than the satellites, receivers will blindly take your signal instead.

            Cool

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How can it not be countered by air support? You just drop a bomb on it and it's done. The issue with HIMARS is the cost. I have a feeling that if the US were to go to war, we'd lose due to the cost of all of our shit. Sometimes, cheap and plentiful beats expensive and few. Unless you're fighting cavemen.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You have gas for ONE month of conflict. Even less. Its pretty scary the only thing holding things in place are nukes and US if working on abolishing it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This ad is brought you by himars incorporated Lockheed Martin Missiles & Fire Control

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    cheap recon drones have empowered artillery just like Great Satan naggers, homosexuals and whores.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/J3B1W9y.jpg

      Russians are using a 152 mm artillery gun 2A36 - made in 1975 - to lob shells at the Ukrainians somewhere in the Kupiansk area.
      >https://files.catbox.moe/hdqt1h.MP4
      Supposedly the gun can fire at max range of 19 miles/30 kilometers. The Russians insist that their gun is accurate. Since Ukraine doesn't use drones as much as the Russians do - these Russian artillerymen can do their job in a routine manner. An ordinary artillery gun, not a fancy wunderwaffle, will always be the main tool of modern and future warfare.

      how does artillery target designation work?
      do the pilots manually send rid data to the batteries or is it more sophisticated than that?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russians are updating their old artillery ammunition. lighter more powerful explosive filling special sliders to make it fly further and more one target.. electronic glider attachment and electronic fuses..

        Russians also activate and rebuild 4 divisions with 200 mm pions. also completelly update ammunition. Nazi-kike dont even know what is about to hit them in few month.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who said it wasn't? Every weapon is wonderful when it's killing the enemy.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >40 days of Iraq
    >over 600 days of endless garbage in Ukraine with no Major gains
    ok

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Europeans can’t into war
      A casual glance at any war map shows that the Russians have already captured the land bridge to Crimea and enough land to hold it, and most of the fertile land in the east, which is why Putin negotiates grain deals now not zelensky.
      So Russia has won all of the shit worth having.
      It is and was always about the land bridge. If Russia negotiated peace right now they would mark it down as a total victory, who the fuck cares about Kiev except as a toy you play tug of war with a dog with to distract it while you steal its food and blanket.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Incredible insight

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        can’t into war
        you have to hold the land or its worthless, like afghanistan

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The captured land is pro russia.
          They will hold it fine.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, all the stoopid wizbang innovation garbage from the last 20 years seems to have endless Achilles heels compared to a ww2 cannon

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only because Ukrainians have practically no air force and very little in terms of mobile artillery and mechanised forces.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    KING OF BATTLEEEEEE, FIELD ARTILLERY

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Artillery is the god of war....when neither side can dominate the air.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1000s of war clips at - kaotic dot com

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This should not be a surprise to anyone who's been even remotely interested in modern military doctrine. There is a reason why countries with conscription rely heavily on artillery. It is simply very cost effective. It's significance is amplified when poor countries go to war, like in this conflict

    Drones might eat away with the viability of static artillery in the future though

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Drones are coming right behind artillery for the cheap and effective weapon award. They're a great force multiplier. The Intel alone is priceless, any squad should have a drone operator, but it's far from being the case in most armies right now because of institutional inertia.

      Always though that old platforms with new tech can work. Mig 31 with hypersonics arty whit guided munition. But drones are the mvp.

      In a large scale conflict it would become essential to upgrade the existing gear and vehicles, for the simple reason that the industrial capacity isn't there anymore, except maybe in China. That's why everyone in that conflict has to beg for shells.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russia has grate USSR industry left. Mariupol was practically a bunker Factory complex even Air could only destroy everything outside but they rather starve Azov out. They will modernize the shit out of it.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lol Stationary anything is only valid if the enemy doesn't
    >A have your location
    >B can't hit you with what they have

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anon, in my opinion, the only things that are going to get a re-do are

    >IFV´s
    >TANKS

    warring sides are gonna throw vehicles full of fencing and cages because there isn't some valid universal countermeasure to the many things these steel tombs have to face.

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