The US is the dominant soft power. Foreigners say it has "no culture" because American culture is shared to degree amongst multiple different societies, so it acts as a cultural baseline. The irony is that America probably has a richer culture than most of Europe, as its difficult to flanderize or put American culture into a box other than say, listing off American companies like McDonalds and Apple, or calling Americans all fat mutts with guns.
Americans are seen as retards because they have a tradition of anti intellectualism (despite the founding fathers being an intellectual elite more than anything). Even today the South and Midwest revels in being seen as dumb bible thumpers in reaction to the faggy coastal elite that reads books and is Francophile (where the opposite is true and intellectuals have always been celebrated as the apex of culture).
>faggy coastal elite that reads books and is Francophile
The former is still true but Francophile is pushing it. Elites these days are so cosmopolitan calling them philes of anything is silly. Maybe tech bros will simp for East Asians a bit, but that's it. Unless you believe Brahmins run the US, you're wrong.
Large swathes of the nation are cultural wasteland as rural areas worldwide tend to be. Foreigners are more likely to be exposed to the "people" who live in Cletusberg, WV than Americans are to come into contact with whatever hicks you can scrape out of Podlaskie or Tohoku or wherever else, simply because American media is so globally dominant.
Always fun to watch the seethe of poor thirdies as i pull a pic of a random crowd in their cunt and everyone is wearing crappy t shirts and jeans
The No culture meme comes from coping foreigners with nothing of value in their country besides food, weird clothes, and dancing/music. This is it. They don’t understand their whole lives revolve around American culture, that the entire world is aware of American music and film and art beyond even their own countries. And if you look at almost every single state (or region to be more liberal), each has a distinct culture. West coast vs southwestern US vs South US vs South eastern vs New England, etc. each state has its own culture.
This is coming from an immigrant to the US btw
American are homosexuals, with little fragile egos. Their Culture is based on quantity with no quality.
This is the real root cause >Be Europe >Effectively subjugate the entire world >One of your colonies breaks away earlier than the rest, whatever Britain just got a bunch of land in India and Africa to make up for it >It literally does nothing but sit there and grows, and grows, and grows >Destroy yourself in two of the most catastrphic and utterly pointless wars in history over absolutely autistic reasons >That stupid backwards breakaway colony uses this to springboard itself up and surpass you >Then it surpasses you in every single conceivable way and its culture wholly supplants yours in your smoldering burned-out ruin of a continent >Now has a larger GDP, wealthier populace, stronger military, and far more influential culture, utterly dominating you in music, film, art, literature, science, and technology despite the best efforts of your entire continent combined
They seethe because they had it all, destroyed themselves in pure autism, and are now more or less subject to the whims of America. And the worst part for them? This is objectively a better deal for them militarily and economically than if the United States wasn't there. Their best option is to be totally dominated by a bunch of backwards colonials, it flies so hard in the face of centuries of supposed "European supremacy" that it drives them into a complete rage.
America completely, utterly, and irrevocably shatters a nearly 500 year old narrative of European dominance, and all they can do is impotently seethe about it as their lives are filled with nothing but Americanisms.
Every video on YouTube or instagram that has a US tourist or exchange student going all the comments are just Europeans seething at literally every single thing the US does. >why don’t Americans know the capital of Lithuania >why don’t Americans know this super specific language that only 300,000 people speak >how dare Americans call it Europe when all they mean is a generalization of their trip
Canada has a huge chip on their shoulder about being the exact same as Americans so they think they’re superior by having a different brand of Dunkin’ Donuts
It applies to Europe as a whole because they always looked down on their colonies regardless of which country was doing the colonizing. Being surpassed at all is one thing, but by a former colony which were all treated as backwaters is utterly mind-shattering to the European psyche.
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I think plenty of European countries look down on the US, yes, I just think your assumption as to why is wrong. If anything your theory applies mostly to Britain, and that's the one European country where people feel a genuine sense of shared history and culture with the US
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And I'd contend that this is clearly evident beyond the UK, if anything the UK seems far more accepting of this passing of the torch compared to continental Europe.
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Yes, that's my point
Jamaican culture is a synthesis of Arawak, Akan, British, Indian, and Chinese.
Look how many words they have for just the number two, or for the word "gamer". My ex was polish and I remember trying to learn a bit. Don't. Just learn conversational, dont bother reading or writing it.
I think by that they mean the United States has no traditional folk culture. The United States is globally more known for its consumerist pop culture (Hollywood, McDonald's, rap music, etc. ) than other cultural aspects. But the United States does have a folk culture such as Cajun cuisine, banjos, bluegrass music, various folk tales (such as Legend of Sleepy Hollow, Brer Rabbit, Bigfoot, Paul Bunyan, and Johnny Appleseed), cowboys, rodeos, etc.
The Problem for the US is that midwit normies think of culture as some material property that can be 'owned' or 'stolen', and the US is often accused of "stealing" all this stuff (be it them saying "Cajun food is French!" Or m "Sleepy Hollow is Dutch!") and thereby denying Americans any claim to it.
That’s practically the same as a Burger defining France as an exporter of pedophilia and gross food, to use an example. The truth of the matter is the large majority of the global population almost never leave their backyards and only see other cultures through televised media or internet memes.
What does this even mean? The culture of urban people is just as valid as the culture of isolated rural people. Rural culture is simply more stagnant because they have little stimulation from many people.
>its consumerist pop culture
America is one of the least consumerist nations on earth. Having big companies and industries doesn’t make you consumerist. Hollywood was born from the Vaudeville acts of Irish, israeli, and Italian immigrants who were already considered “trashy” so it was less taboo for them to become movie actors.
McDonald’s is just the intersection of German-American beef sandwiches with the postwar growth of the automobile industry.
Rap music was born out of the Block Party in the late 70s Bronx.
>United States does have a folk culture such as Cajun cuisine, banjos, bluegrass music, various folk tales (such as Legend of Sleepy Hollow, Brer Rabbit, Bigfoot, Paul Bunyan, and Johnny Appleseed), cowboys, rodeos, etc.
too marginal
>the United States has no traditional folk culture.
The US has lots of folk culture. Backwoods southerners, cajuns, western pioneers, rural puritans. These groups produced a lot of literature, art, and music over the centuries. In fact, you could include back-country naggers, because they frankly have a culture that is alien to actual Africans.
It's true that there is no one, singular American folk culture.
Americans are seen as retards because they have a tradition of anti intellectualism (despite the founding fathers being an intellectual elite more than anything). Even today the South and Midwest revels in being seen as dumb bible thumpers in reaction to the faggy coastal elite that reads books and is Francophile (where the opposite is true and intellectuals have always been celebrated as the apex of culture).
The thing about America, is that its culture was never based on intellectual or merchant elites or lawyers, the kinds of people who formulated the basic legal identity of the US. That is, some kind of Enlightenment project. That's all an overlay.
American culture was largely made by middle class English puritans, savage freebooting crackers, religious zealots, slaves, and pioneers. All this played out over wide open spaces, which let different groups of Protestants and European migrants mediate disputes by spreading out. This is why, I think, the US is a much more politically stable place than most of the world, and its only civil war was grounded in a deep geographic and cultural divide. There has not been a single revolt. Compare it to France or Germany. Part of it is an anglo thing. The English uniquely maintained their aristocracy and monarchic traditions.
This was the basic bones that still brought together later boats of old world migrants as the country urbanized. I think all that, especially with the Calvinistic outlook of the puritans, gave the US a very pragmatic and demystified world outlook. Something that's very simple and commercial, when brought to urbanization.
>the United States has no traditional folk culture.
The US has lots of folk culture. Backwoods southerners, cajuns, western pioneers, rural puritans. These groups produced a lot of literature, art, and music over the centuries. In fact, you could include back-country naggers, because they frankly have a culture that is alien to actual Africans.
It's true that there is no one, singular American folk culture.
[...]
The thing about America, is that its culture was never based on intellectual or merchant elites or lawyers, the kinds of people who formulated the basic legal identity of the US. That is, some kind of Enlightenment project. That's all an overlay.
American culture was largely made by middle class English puritans, savage freebooting crackers, religious zealots, slaves, and pioneers. All this played out over wide open spaces, which let different groups of Protestants and European migrants mediate disputes by spreading out. This is why, I think, the US is a much more politically stable place than most of the world, and its only civil war was grounded in a deep geographic and cultural divide. There has not been a single revolt. Compare it to France or Germany. Part of it is an anglo thing. The English uniquely maintained their aristocracy and monarchic traditions.
This was the basic bones that still brought together later boats of old world migrants as the country urbanized. I think all that, especially with the Calvinistic outlook of the puritans, gave the US a very pragmatic and demystified world outlook. Something that's very simple and commercial, when brought to urbanization.
>In fact, you could include back-country naggers, because they frankly have a culture that is alien to actual Africans.
African-American museums can be interesting because of their particular folk art which is like a more surreal version of traditional American folk art, some of it reminds me of a Busta Rhymes video:
My bro is an art teacher, painter, runs a small towns arts center that is mostly paintings + pottery + local crafts (woodcarving, quilting... which even had a schism) and this stuff is overlooked by big museums, but there's something of a shift underway he says toward a "rediscovery" by these establishments towards local folk art customs in the United States.
>the United States has no traditional folk culture.
The US has lots of folk culture. Backwoods southerners, cajuns, western pioneers, rural puritans. These groups produced a lot of literature, art, and music over the centuries. In fact, you could include back-country naggers, because they frankly have a culture that is alien to actual Africans.
It's true that there is no one, singular American folk culture.
[...]
The thing about America, is that its culture was never based on intellectual or merchant elites or lawyers, the kinds of people who formulated the basic legal identity of the US. That is, some kind of Enlightenment project. That's all an overlay.
American culture was largely made by middle class English puritans, savage freebooting crackers, religious zealots, slaves, and pioneers. All this played out over wide open spaces, which let different groups of Protestants and European migrants mediate disputes by spreading out. This is why, I think, the US is a much more politically stable place than most of the world, and its only civil war was grounded in a deep geographic and cultural divide. There has not been a single revolt. Compare it to France or Germany. Part of it is an anglo thing. The English uniquely maintained their aristocracy and monarchic traditions.
This was the basic bones that still brought together later boats of old world migrants as the country urbanized. I think all that, especially with the Calvinistic outlook of the puritans, gave the US a very pragmatic and demystified world outlook. Something that's very simple and commercial, when brought to urbanization.
>All this played out over wide open spaces, which let different groups of Protestants and European migrants mediate disputes by spreading out. This is why, I think, the US is a much more politically stable place than most of the world
Yeah, we reduce contact with people we don't like. I think that's what a lot of "cancel culture" is too in essence. On religions, I find the Mormons rather fascinating, although I don't know a lot about them, because they're a distinct religion that formed in America in the 19th century which included an exodus to Utah.
I'm not Mormon but I've never found the ones I've met to be antagonistic, like, at all. While quite conservative, in some ways they feel more like a more "modern" religion, like an upgraded operating system for the American context, which is even somewhat polytheistic down in there, more amenable to co-existence with other religions. I like it when they make appearances in sci-fi stories where they're in space while other religions haven't made the leap, and unlike many denominations they have managed to keep growing:
The No culture meme comes from coping foreigners with nothing of value in their country besides food, weird clothes, and dancing/music. This is it. They don’t understand their whole lives revolve around American culture, that the entire world is aware of American music and film and art beyond even their own countries. And if you look at almost every single state (or region to be more liberal), each has a distinct culture. West coast vs southwestern US vs South US vs South eastern vs New England, etc. each state has its own culture.
This is coming from an immigrant to the US btw
>The No culture meme comes from coping foreigners with nothing of value in their country besides food, weird clothes, and dancing/music.
No, the meme comes from the "whites have no culture" rhetoric that plagues the US for political reasons. I have heard americans being accused to be vulgar by euros/rotw a lot, but the having no culture bit always comes from other americans.
Ironically, the same people pushing the no culture rhetoric are responsible for you thinking any country has "nothing of value besides food, weird clothes, and dancing/music", so congratulations: you got baited so hard you're now propagating the bait yourself.
>but the having no culture bit always comes from other americans.
Yeah, other nationalities acknowledge that the US does have culture, but they just don't like it. The whole "america has no culture" comes from americans themselves.
Considering that quip about milk developing a culture while America won't literally comes from a European, I call horseshit on that one. Europeans constantly talk about how America has no culture.
>with nothing of value in their country besides food, weird clothes, and dancing/music
Infinitely more valuable than burgers, t-shirts, and rap "music". >But muh moby dick
Shit book.
People don't realise how deep culture is. It isn't just operas, silly folk dances and stupid hats. Culture is literally every aspect of the social and political life of a people. Think about going to a restaurant in America. >Sit down to eat >Women sit and order first >You say thank you to the waiter even though he is just doing his job for taking your order >you might thank him again when he brings you your food/drinks and clears them >You don't chew with your mouth full but you can talk inbetween chewing >you use a knife and fork and eat off a plate >you dont eat with your fingers you use cutlery >you wipe anything that gets on your face off immediately >you dont burp and fart everywhere >you tip the waiter
Those are all cultural things that are normal in America. You don't get that eating in Saudi Arabia or Mongolia necessarily. Only when you travel for a long time from home do you realise so much of culture consists of every day interactions that make life easier for you to understand and deal with.
saudis eat with hands, arabs prior to globohomo used to eat with bread and cut the pieces of the meal with their hands. Bedoin culture and my dad still does it
>'America has no culture!' >Said the euro as he bites into his Big Mac and listens to rap
But yes, we europeans literally live inside the american cultural (and political, geopolitical, economical etc.) sphere of influence, we live and breathe things made in america, and most people know more about american politics and law than that of their own country.
So I'd guess that has an effect: We're so used to consuming american culture we just see it as the 'norm' or as 'our' culture. Although you can argue american culture is just a mix of european cultures.
America has one of the greatest literary traditions on the planet. That's only one part of the story. Culture is architecture, music, art, opera, cathedrals etc. Given the USA only existed in its current form for about 100 years it doesn't have the gothic cathedrals, operatic tradition, 17th century art, etc.
Most of the heavy lifting of what we know as "American culture" was done by White poets, israeli composers, and Black musicians. Clearly white America gets frustrated about its culture because it can't lean back into Opera like Italy, Art like Holland, or Theatre like England. I don't think the USA is backwards though, it's just a very young country.
What is Australian art history? NZ Theatre output? Canadian opera?
I agree and this gets even MORE ridiculous when people say "white people don't have culture/ there is no white culture". My brother in Christ everything you do is white culture, you live on Twitter on your iPhone with air conditioning and electricity and internet.
And no, the argument that white culture is not a monolith does not mean that there is no white culture. Just because not every white person does something that most of them do doesn't mean it can't be attributed to the the group. And just because you don't see "white" as a valid or "real" descriptor of people, whatever that even means, doesn't mean you can close your eyes and pretend white culture doesn't exist.
Calling someone white instead of his ethnicity is already indicative of the lack of culture, unless you wan't to call muttification a culture, which you can.
Hardly anybody is just one ethnicity anymore. Germans are not pure Germans, anglos-saxons often have Scottish and Irish in them, etc.
So instead of listing your 12 ethnicities it makes more sense to simply be called white, or maybe Western European.
You want to be a loser contrarian so you will deny this, but you know it's true.
Getting up in the morning and flipping on the light switch is a white thing. White people invented that and began doing that. Not just anglos, not just germans, white people generally of Western European descent originated that.
When you get in your car to drive to work, that is also white culture. White people of various ethnic origins created more and more advanced versions of the car until we got what we have today. White people of various ethnicities were the first to drive said early cars regularly
>Calling someone white instead of his ethnicity is already indicative of the lack of culture
Are you legitimately too low IQ to even understand that referring to something as "white" to begin with is a sign of North American culture
Besides, ethnicities are meaningless in modern Europe too. What is "ethnic French" anymore? Sarkozy has a Hungarian name, the mayor of Paris has a Spanish name, Zemmour is an Algerian-israelite.
The average citizen of France or the UK is not a sophisticated literati who went to Henri IV Lycee
The average French/Brit is an urban dweller who listens to rap, watches KSI, and knows more details about Haland or Cristiano Ronaldo's cock size than they do about their own national history.
>Nobel Prize is israeli now
We have officially reached the stage where even the literal super Aryans of Sweden-Norway are now getting called "israelites" by online autists
>The internet,
Sure, but world wide web is british invention >LULZ
Japanese invention. Moot only stole and translated futabas script to english with an online translator using the British invention world wide web >electricity
Has existed before any culture >cars
French invention >phones
Telephone is a scottish invention. Mobile phone is a Finnish invention.
Are you trying to argue that the country with the world's largest GDP and highest GDP per capita outside of small petrostates home to the majority of the world's top ranked universities and largest corporations by market capitalization has contributed less to global science, technology, and industry than Finland or France or Scotland?
A lot of Americans seem to experience a kind of 'cultural cringe', where they don't take pride in the humble homesteads and timber churches of New England that represent the birth of their nation. They should promote that aspect of their history more, as they should the Spanish Missions stretching from Florida to California, the pre-Columbian sites spread across the country, and so on. Not everything has to be big and garish to be admirable
Also, it is funny how people only direct this criticism of 'no culture and no history' at the US, but not Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. That's how you know it's political. Even funnier that nobody directs it at countries like Brazil or Argentina, who are equally a legacy of European colonial settlement, have no notable pre-Columbian cultures or civilisations, and a less notable impact on global culture[s] than the Americans
>A lot of Americans seem to experience a kind of 'cultural cringe', where they don't take pride in the humble homesteads and timber churches of New England that represent the birth of their nation
Yeah that unironically rustles my jimmies, as a proud New Englander. I notice this feeling a lot even with the "trad circles" of Americans, their fixation on European cathedrals and disdain for the simplicity of Puritans' buildings. It's a shame too, a more reserved aesthetic and lifestyle was generally admired once.
You're 100% on the mark, it's all political really. People who say 'US has no culture' are simply expressing their own disdain for the US, nothing more.
at people using an award that has barely existed for 100 years as evidence of culture
other countries have thousands of years of history, art, music, architecture, innovation, tradition etc to draw from
america is still a little baby. it may have culture, but not a rich one, nor a particularly good one, but that's another story
>other countries have thousands of years of history, art, music, architecture, innovation, tradition etc to draw from
I don't know a single nation that is thousands of years old. Chinese doesn't count since between Dynasty the culture changes. Again this is just cope for old=better just because.
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I didn't say the nations are thousands of years old. >old=better
correct.
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Old is better because...reasons.
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in the context of culture? of course it fucking is. I know you're a coping american but there is simply no arguing against this fact, so save yourself the time and effort.
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Not really since throughout those years other cultures mesh and blend into said culture making an entirely different culture
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>mesh and blend into said culture
maybe in muttland. French culture is French culture. Italian culture is Italian culture. America formed their own, but to say le we got a lot of chinese yakeouts and taco stands hence its our culture is laughable.
Even the way you put odd house numbers on one side of the street and even house numbers on the other came from France during Napoleon's era. Every singly good invention and cultural custom was appropriated. It does not make it your original culture
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If you’re counting modern European cultures as some unbroken extension of ancient cultures then American culture also drags back thousands of years because traditions come directly from them via European settlers and immigrants
Retard
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>drags back thousands of years because traditions come directly from them via European settlers and immigrants
Hence American culture is not a culture rather a combination of European cultures? Thank you for proving my point
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Following your genius logic, French culture is not real either because it's just a "mutt" combination of Gallic people forced to speak Latin, named after a Germanic tribe, and worshipping a israeli Messianic Cult figure.
Oh and now they all eat Turkish Kebab and obsess over the English sport of Football and Rugby.
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French culture in part originated from Roman culture. You are correct. However it had 2 thousand years to form its own that is distinct enough. To compare that argument to today's america is a stretch
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It really is not. French branched off from Latin and Americans are branched off from 17th century England and developed into a distinct entity due to being located in a different physical environment from England. Wait another few centuries and dialectical divergences will be even starker, only reason they're not already is thanks to standardized education making everyone speak the "correct form" of a language.
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>It really is not. French branched off from Latin
and who spoke latin? not romans?
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>insults "mutts" >Proceeds to say "Italian culture is Italian culture" with full confidence
The audacity of retards. Sure, Italy is not "mutt land", tell that to the Italians in Südtirol who speak German and to the Sicilians who spoke a dialect so incomprehensible to the Milanese that they needed subtitles to understand them on TV.
This is not even bringing up the fact that a place like Sicily saw Moorish, Norman, and Spanish rule all blending into the place.
Anyone who unironically thinks 'Mutt' is a valid argument against the USA is simply stupid, let's not beat around the bush here. Whatever imagined EVROPA of ethnically inbred and isolated cultures you have wet dreams about does not and never did exist.
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Those are subcultures within larger culture. There are different ethnic peoples within Russia that celebrate their own customs, however they all are largely Russian by culture. Same as there is Venetian or Napolese customs within its own respective regions that all largely by culture are Italian.
French Loisiana had Kansas and Nebraska under its rule at one point. That dont make those places even in the slightest part under influence of French culture. Just like some Moore or Norman occupation does not make Italy have a separate distinct ties to those cultures. Retarded argument.
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You know most history classes in modern day Italy already go over this stuff: "Italian" as a unified single culture is literally a meme, it's a construct from the 1800s by nationalists who figured out that getting bullied by bigger powers was a problem and they needed to solve it.
There's no real reason why Sicily and Aosta are both considered 'Italian' but Nice is now French and Ticino is now Swiss.
For crying out loud, South Tyrol speaks German, not even a Romance language, they're "Italian" because a fucking politician said so and they can cry about it.
Likewise, France invented the idea that everyone is 'French' (i.e. Parisian). Bretons speak Breton, a Celtic language, and now they're "French" and are supposed to speak a Romance language that was not their own originally.
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>"Italian" as a unified single culture is literally a meme, it's a construct from the 1800s by nationalists who figured out that getting bullied by bigger powers was a problem and they needed to solve it.
so why do they all eat pizza pasta and go to the same church. you're attributing local customs to their own distinct original culture, ignoring the fact that they all derived from the same.
la and ny have their own different "culture" hence american culture doesnt exist
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>so why do they all eat pizza pasta
...they don't. Pizza is a Neopolitan dish from Naples, it spread to northern Italy because of southern immigrants moving to the Po Valley for work, but it's not at all traditional to Lombardy or Aosta or Savoy etc. >go to the same church
Nobody is going to any church these days. Religion in developed Europe is dead and it is dying in the less developed Europe.
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tell that to an italian.
why are mutts so desperate to tell everyone else what they are, what they should eat and what they should believe. I guess you have to cope hard when your "culture" is mcdonalds, giving estrogen to kids and exporting war to middle east
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>making an entirely different culture
except it doesn't. culture changes but it is still inspired by and retains elements of the previous culture. that is why old = good. it doesn't become something entirely different, it evolves.
This is just the "culture = old building" argument again. You cannot sincerely think that a modern day English person living in 21st century London has any meaningful tie to the Anglo-Saxon era of 1000+ years ago.
You're also flawed in presuming that American culture just starts in 1776, life is not a fucking Paradox game where a new "Culture" suddenly pops up when you press the Independence button. The US draws from England's history too, for very obvious reasons, they're literally the great^6 grandkids of English people, and their culture and history wasn't just deleted from the folder when they crossed an imaginary boundary in 1627.
I don't understand how people have such an easy time comprehending that Mexican culture has obvious roots in Spain (e.g. bullfighting, Andalusian Fashion, etc) but seemingly believe that the USA just fucking materialized out of thin air in 1776.
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>The US draws from England's history too, for very obvious reasons, they're literally the great^6 grandkids of English people, and their culture and history wasn't just deleted from the folder when they crossed an imaginary boundary in 1627.
So its English culture then
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Now you understand why Russians and French are always calling the Americans "Anglo-Saxons" on their news media.
But still, Americans are not "English" in the 21st century sense of what English refers to.
Basically: A Chimpanzee isn't human and a human isn't a chimpanzee, but they're both descendents of a common ancestor. The human obviously didn't just pop into existence one day out of the blue, his evolutionary lineage goes back all 4.3 billion years to LUCA. Nonetheless, both Chimp and Man are distinct species who belong in the same Great Ape category. The USA and (3/4 of) Canada are North American Anglophone cultures.
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They call them Ango-Saxons because USA was colonized by Anglo-Saxons and hence a byproduct of those peoples >Basically: A Chimpanzee isn't human and a human isn't a chimpanzee, but they're both descendents of a common ancestor.
Maybe you have descended from a chimp, I was created in the image of god.
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>, I was created in the image of god.
lmao confirmed not even European then, nobody believes in Creationism anymore, pal.
At least... nobody except Americans. Creationism persisting is, funnily enough, American culture kek.
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>nobody believes in Creationism anymore, pal.
average reddit user. are you wearing your "i love science" shirt as you posting now?
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Are you not American or Anglo (I know they have all assimilated into American lingo online)?
wypipo are running into problems with the culture thing because the whole world judges what its culture is with reference to white culture so it is seen as "the baseline" rather than for its specificity, and because it is either illegal or de facto illegal for white people to engage in exclusive forms of culture. The confluence of these trends leads to all of the "there is no white/american/euro" culture
it is very much a cope. the simple fact is that european culture has essentially been dead since the second world war with some upset individuals desperately clinging onto the images of their glory days meanwhile everyone in their country is buying products made by american companies in chinese factories and consuming american media.
it actually astounds me when i see europeans reacting to some news about shit totally irrelevant to anyone outside the u.s, seeing them care about shit that even i dont even care about. shit like people kneeling for george floyd or whatever, wtf? i fucking laugh, what a complete joke.
I don't want to defend USA but what new world country has a good culture? You can probably count them on one hand. Mexico, Brazil and perhaps Jamaica are the only interesting countries even though the later two are heavily influenced by their African roots (which USA is as well)
The US has a far richer history and heritage than Jamaica.
Non-Americans have a very odd view of American culture as specifically WASP, and the antagonism towards it seems to as much reflect Anglophobia and anti-British ideology as it does any kind of genuine criticism of the US. If people look at Mexico, they have no problem in taking the pre-Columbian history, the Jesuit cathedrals and the modern cuisine - a hybrid of Amerindian and Old World ingredients and techniques - as wholly, distinctly 'Mexican'. Why is the US not treated in the same way? Why are African American cultures treated as distinct from the American whole?
If USA had no culture americanization would be impossible.
That said, nobel prizes are bullshit, have always been bullshit, and I think less of american culture now due to you using this shit argument.
Culture = old building is flawed but less flawed than culture = nobel prize in literature. Old buildings and architecture are at least "shared" among a population. How many Americans have really engaged with nobel-prize winning literature?
We created >blues >jazz >soul >R&B >funk >hip hop >country >swing >blue grass >hip hop >new jack swing >disco >Go Go >Chopped and screwed >Bounce >Punk >Trap >Drill >Zydeco >Techno >Bebop >Rock in Roll >metal
I can't tell whos more annoying and retarded: the blacks/browns who think culture is shaking your ass to shitty music and how much seasonan you put on yo muhfuggin chicken, or the whiteoids who list off fast food and random inventions. If you're using the telephone as an example of culture its over man
I would say music and food is like a fourth of a total culture. Others being distinct sports, literature, arts, and how the country generally sees itself amongst the others
The main tenants would be shit like architecture, literature, music, fashion/clothing, food and art. Then it would branch out in more abstract stuff like sense of humour, philosophy and etiquette. Sports would also be in there somewhere for sure. Dancing too but as a Western European its not something we really give a fuck about, third worlders seem big on it but thats probably why they're third worlders, it's pointless.
It is, just not the be all end all that blacks and browns seem to think. If they took a fraction of the energy they put into seasoning dey chicken or twerking and put it into science/engineering Europe would've been the one colonised
>just not the be all end all that blacks and browns seem to think
Now you’re putting words in our mouths and telling me what I think.
>If they took a fraction of the energy they put into seasoning dey chicken or twerking and put it into science/engineering Europe would've been the one colonised
Chinese-American food, Italian-American food, and Mexican-American food are all important parts of American culture unironically and are globally influential enough that outside of Mexico/Italy/China themselves you're more likely to find these American cuisines in foreign markets than those of the countries that inspired them. Shit like most pizza, General Tso's/orange chicken, or fajitas.
USA is the kultur-terror of world history. The Mary Sue who gets things for no reason and was left alone to 4x happily while all the other players fought each other
it's not that complicated, america doesn't have ancient civilizations and premodern history, that's all people mean
nobody gives a shit about hick banjo folktales or colonial people in wigs fighting with muskets. people want big temples and mythologies.
If you want to get people interested in "american history/culture" you're better off trying to teach people about Cahokia then paul bunyon or bejamin franklin
The US is the dominant soft power. Foreigners say it has "no culture" because American culture is shared to degree amongst multiple different societies, so it acts as a cultural baseline. The irony is that America probably has a richer culture than most of Europe, as its difficult to flanderize or put American culture into a box other than say, listing off American companies like McDonalds and Apple, or calling Americans all fat mutts with guns.
Always fun to watch the seethe of poor thirdies as i pull a pic of a random crowd in their cunt and everyone is wearing crappy t shirts and jeans
Is that supposed to be lack of culture?
Yeah, atleast the gulf Arabs have the balls to stick to their traditional garb instead of looking like budget Americans
Not only that but it’s sometimes dependent on many different local levels. A place like Seattle has a different vibe than Boston, Houston or Philly
Americans are seen as retards because they have a tradition of anti intellectualism (despite the founding fathers being an intellectual elite more than anything). Even today the South and Midwest revels in being seen as dumb bible thumpers in reaction to the faggy coastal elite that reads books and is Francophile (where the opposite is true and intellectuals have always been celebrated as the apex of culture).
>faggy coastal elite that reads books and is Francophile
The former is still true but Francophile is pushing it. Elites these days are so cosmopolitan calling them philes of anything is silly. Maybe tech bros will simp for East Asians a bit, but that's it. Unless you believe Brahmins run the US, you're wrong.
francophilia and anglophobia are the cornerstone of american nationhood
simple as
Large swathes of the nation are cultural wasteland as rural areas worldwide tend to be. Foreigners are more likely to be exposed to the "people" who live in Cletusberg, WV than Americans are to come into contact with whatever hicks you can scrape out of Podlaskie or Tohoku or wherever else, simply because American media is so globally dominant.
Americans value education what are you talking about
American are homosexuals, with little fragile egos. Their Culture is based on quantity with no quality.
Euros seethe at the US at every opportunity. They can’t stand that someone has surpassed them
This is the real root cause
>Be Europe
>Effectively subjugate the entire world
>One of your colonies breaks away earlier than the rest, whatever Britain just got a bunch of land in India and Africa to make up for it
>It literally does nothing but sit there and grows, and grows, and grows
>Destroy yourself in two of the most catastrphic and utterly pointless wars in history over absolutely autistic reasons
>That stupid backwards breakaway colony uses this to springboard itself up and surpass you
>Then it surpasses you in every single conceivable way and its culture wholly supplants yours in your smoldering burned-out ruin of a continent
>Now has a larger GDP, wealthier populace, stronger military, and far more influential culture, utterly dominating you in music, film, art, literature, science, and technology despite the best efforts of your entire continent combined
They seethe because they had it all, destroyed themselves in pure autism, and are now more or less subject to the whims of America. And the worst part for them? This is objectively a better deal for them militarily and economically than if the United States wasn't there. Their best option is to be totally dominated by a bunch of backwards colonials, it flies so hard in the face of centuries of supposed "European supremacy" that it drives them into a complete rage.
America completely, utterly, and irrevocably shatters a nearly 500 year old narrative of European dominance, and all they can do is impotently seethe about it as their lives are filled with nothing but Americanisms.
You're not entirely wrong, but your comment seems to be based specifically on Britain (and more particularly a false view of Britain).
Also, it doesn't address the point of why the USA is spoken about differently from Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.
Every video on YouTube or instagram that has a US tourist or exchange student going all the comments are just Europeans seething at literally every single thing the US does.
>why don’t Americans know the capital of Lithuania
>why don’t Americans know this super specific language that only 300,000 people speak
>how dare Americans call it Europe when all they mean is a generalization of their trip
Canada has a huge chip on their shoulder about being the exact same as Americans so they think they’re superior by having a different brand of Dunkin’ Donuts
It applies to Europe as a whole because they always looked down on their colonies regardless of which country was doing the colonizing. Being surpassed at all is one thing, but by a former colony which were all treated as backwaters is utterly mind-shattering to the European psyche.
I think plenty of European countries look down on the US, yes, I just think your assumption as to why is wrong. If anything your theory applies mostly to Britain, and that's the one European country where people feel a genuine sense of shared history and culture with the US
And I'd contend that this is clearly evident beyond the UK, if anything the UK seems far more accepting of this passing of the torch compared to continental Europe.
Yes, that's my point
Yes, that's my point
>Poland
Unironically wtf, how? That's impressive
The witcher
>novel
Game of Thrones mog it
witcher shorts > asoiaf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witcher novels
>Unironically wtf, how?
all israelites
>all israelites
Only one of the six Polish Nobel Prize winners in literature is israeli (Isaac Bashevis Singer).
Poles are Catholic israelites, simple as
they have more than 100 words for stealing a bike
Look how many words they have for just the number two, or for the word "gamer". My ex was polish and I remember trying to learn a bit. Don't. Just learn conversational, dont bother reading or writing it.
I think by that they mean the United States has no traditional folk culture. The United States is globally more known for its consumerist pop culture (Hollywood, McDonald's, rap music, etc. ) than other cultural aspects. But the United States does have a folk culture such as Cajun cuisine, banjos, bluegrass music, various folk tales (such as Legend of Sleepy Hollow, Brer Rabbit, Bigfoot, Paul Bunyan, and Johnny Appleseed), cowboys, rodeos, etc.
The Problem for the US is that midwit normies think of culture as some material property that can be 'owned' or 'stolen', and the US is often accused of "stealing" all this stuff (be it them saying "Cajun food is French!" Or m "Sleepy Hollow is Dutch!") and thereby denying Americans any claim to it.
That’s practically the same as a Burger defining France as an exporter of pedophilia and gross food, to use an example. The truth of the matter is the large majority of the global population almost never leave their backyards and only see other cultures through televised media or internet memes.
>United States has no traditional folk culture
What does this even mean? The culture of urban people is just as valid as the culture of isolated rural people. Rural culture is simply more stagnant because they have little stimulation from many people.
>its consumerist pop culture
America is one of the least consumerist nations on earth. Having big companies and industries doesn’t make you consumerist. Hollywood was born from the Vaudeville acts of Irish, israeli, and Italian immigrants who were already considered “trashy” so it was less taboo for them to become movie actors.
McDonald’s is just the intersection of German-American beef sandwiches with the postwar growth of the automobile industry.
Rap music was born out of the Block Party in the late 70s Bronx.
>United States does have a folk culture such as Cajun cuisine, banjos, bluegrass music, various folk tales (such as Legend of Sleepy Hollow, Brer Rabbit, Bigfoot, Paul Bunyan, and Johnny Appleseed), cowboys, rodeos, etc.
too marginal
>the United States has no traditional folk culture.
The US has lots of folk culture. Backwoods southerners, cajuns, western pioneers, rural puritans. These groups produced a lot of literature, art, and music over the centuries. In fact, you could include back-country naggers, because they frankly have a culture that is alien to actual Africans.
It's true that there is no one, singular American folk culture.
The thing about America, is that its culture was never based on intellectual or merchant elites or lawyers, the kinds of people who formulated the basic legal identity of the US. That is, some kind of Enlightenment project. That's all an overlay.
American culture was largely made by middle class English puritans, savage freebooting crackers, religious zealots, slaves, and pioneers. All this played out over wide open spaces, which let different groups of Protestants and European migrants mediate disputes by spreading out. This is why, I think, the US is a much more politically stable place than most of the world, and its only civil war was grounded in a deep geographic and cultural divide. There has not been a single revolt. Compare it to France or Germany. Part of it is an anglo thing. The English uniquely maintained their aristocracy and monarchic traditions.
This was the basic bones that still brought together later boats of old world migrants as the country urbanized. I think all that, especially with the Calvinistic outlook of the puritans, gave the US a very pragmatic and demystified world outlook. Something that's very simple and commercial, when brought to urbanization.
God, I miss Babylon 5.
The suffering of the succotash.
>In fact, you could include back-country naggers, because they frankly have a culture that is alien to actual Africans.
African-American museums can be interesting because of their particular folk art which is like a more surreal version of traditional American folk art, some of it reminds me of a Busta Rhymes video:
My bro is an art teacher, painter, runs a small towns arts center that is mostly paintings + pottery + local crafts (woodcarving, quilting... which even had a schism) and this stuff is overlooked by big museums, but there's something of a shift underway he says toward a "rediscovery" by these establishments towards local folk art customs in the United States.
>All this played out over wide open spaces, which let different groups of Protestants and European migrants mediate disputes by spreading out. This is why, I think, the US is a much more politically stable place than most of the world
Yeah, we reduce contact with people we don't like. I think that's what a lot of "cancel culture" is too in essence. On religions, I find the Mormons rather fascinating, although I don't know a lot about them, because they're a distinct religion that formed in America in the 19th century which included an exodus to Utah.
I'm not Mormon but I've never found the ones I've met to be antagonistic, like, at all. While quite conservative, in some ways they feel more like a more "modern" religion, like an upgraded operating system for the American context, which is even somewhat polytheistic down in there, more amenable to co-existence with other religions. I like it when they make appearances in sci-fi stories where they're in space while other religions haven't made the leap, and unlike many denominations they have managed to keep growing:
Also on that version of Amazing Grace by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. It has its origins in England but is particularly popular in the U.S.
The No culture meme comes from coping foreigners with nothing of value in their country besides food, weird clothes, and dancing/music. This is it. They don’t understand their whole lives revolve around American culture, that the entire world is aware of American music and film and art beyond even their own countries. And if you look at almost every single state (or region to be more liberal), each has a distinct culture. West coast vs southwestern US vs South US vs South eastern vs New England, etc. each state has its own culture.
This is coming from an immigrant to the US btw
>The No culture meme comes from coping foreigners with nothing of value in their country besides food, weird clothes, and dancing/music.
No, the meme comes from the "whites have no culture" rhetoric that plagues the US for political reasons. I have heard americans being accused to be vulgar by euros/rotw a lot, but the having no culture bit always comes from other americans.
Ironically, the same people pushing the no culture rhetoric are responsible for you thinking any country has "nothing of value besides food, weird clothes, and dancing/music", so congratulations: you got baited so hard you're now propagating the bait yourself.
>but the having no culture bit always comes from other americans.
Yeah, other nationalities acknowledge that the US does have culture, but they just don't like it. The whole "america has no culture" comes from americans themselves.
Considering that quip about milk developing a culture while America won't literally comes from a European, I call horseshit on that one. Europeans constantly talk about how America has no culture.
>with nothing of value in their country besides food, weird clothes, and dancing/music
Infinitely more valuable than burgers, t-shirts, and rap "music".
>But muh moby dick
Shit book.
>Do people unironically think "culture = old building"?
Pretty much.
When foreigners say we have “no culture” they mean they hate our culture
When self-hating Americans say we have “no culture” they mean that they are so completely and utterly immersed in American culture they can’t see it
Like a fish not realizing it’s in the ocean or an ant not realizing it’s on planet earth
Everything you do from the time you wake-up to the time you fall asleep is American culture
People don't realise how deep culture is. It isn't just operas, silly folk dances and stupid hats. Culture is literally every aspect of the social and political life of a people. Think about going to a restaurant in America.
>Sit down to eat
>Women sit and order first
>You say thank you to the waiter even though he is just doing his job for taking your order
>you might thank him again when he brings you your food/drinks and clears them
>You don't chew with your mouth full but you can talk inbetween chewing
>you use a knife and fork and eat off a plate
>you dont eat with your fingers you use cutlery
>you wipe anything that gets on your face off immediately
>you dont burp and fart everywhere
>you tip the waiter
Those are all cultural things that are normal in America. You don't get that eating in Saudi Arabia or Mongolia necessarily. Only when you travel for a long time from home do you realise so much of culture consists of every day interactions that make life easier for you to understand and deal with.
>You don't get that eating in Saudi Arabia or Mongolia necessarily.
You would get that experience nearly everywhere in the world
saudis eat with hands, arabs prior to globohomo used to eat with bread and cut the pieces of the meal with their hands. Bedoin culture and my dad still does it
>'America has no culture!'
>Said the euro as he bites into his Big Mac and listens to rap
But yes, we europeans literally live inside the american cultural (and political, geopolitical, economical etc.) sphere of influence, we live and breathe things made in america, and most people know more about american politics and law than that of their own country.
So I'd guess that has an effect: We're so used to consuming american culture we just see it as the 'norm' or as 'our' culture. Although you can argue american culture is just a mix of european cultures.
America has one of the greatest literary traditions on the planet. That's only one part of the story. Culture is architecture, music, art, opera, cathedrals etc. Given the USA only existed in its current form for about 100 years it doesn't have the gothic cathedrals, operatic tradition, 17th century art, etc.
Most of the heavy lifting of what we know as "American culture" was done by White poets, israeli composers, and Black musicians. Clearly white America gets frustrated about its culture because it can't lean back into Opera like Italy, Art like Holland, or Theatre like England. I don't think the USA is backwards though, it's just a very young country.
What is Australian art history? NZ Theatre output? Canadian opera?
>theatre like england
We've got like, 3 good ones, Books are where we stake our claim.
Name a good american author besides Twain.
Joanne Rowling, Tolkien, Isaac Asimov, Terry Pratchet
>The name of this anonymous young boy leaving this ingenious comment?
>Albert Einstein
Asimov
Joo
W. E. B. Du Bois
fucking retarded take.
what did he write?
Besides Mark Twain name a good American author
George RR Martin
Philip K Dick
The goat, literally created the basis of all modern science fiction.
I like him
William Faulkner
Melville, Poe, Hemingway, Steinbeck, Burroughs.
F. Scott Fitzgerald
Faulkner, Bradbury, McCarthy
Hawthorne
Isaac Asimov
Philip K Dick
Kurt Vonnegut
Frank Herbert
Stephen King
>Stephen King
>good
hard to believe that he meant that one
America has a great culture of copin, seethin, and most importantly dilatin
I agree and this gets even MORE ridiculous when people say "white people don't have culture/ there is no white culture". My brother in Christ everything you do is white culture, you live on Twitter on your iPhone with air conditioning and electricity and internet.
And no, the argument that white culture is not a monolith does not mean that there is no white culture. Just because not every white person does something that most of them do doesn't mean it can't be attributed to the the group. And just because you don't see "white" as a valid or "real" descriptor of people, whatever that even means, doesn't mean you can close your eyes and pretend white culture doesn't exist.
Calling someone white instead of his ethnicity is already indicative of the lack of culture, unless you wan't to call muttification a culture, which you can.
Hardly anybody is just one ethnicity anymore. Germans are not pure Germans, anglos-saxons often have Scottish and Irish in them, etc.
So instead of listing your 12 ethnicities it makes more sense to simply be called white, or maybe Western European.
You want to be a loser contrarian so you will deny this, but you know it's true.
Getting up in the morning and flipping on the light switch is a white thing. White people invented that and began doing that. Not just anglos, not just germans, white people generally of Western European descent originated that.
When you get in your car to drive to work, that is also white culture. White people of various ethnic origins created more and more advanced versions of the car until we got what we have today. White people of various ethnicities were the first to drive said early cars regularly
You can just replace "white" with "mutt" in your post and it changes nothing.
Epic own from the Balkan incel kid
>Calling someone white instead of his ethnicity is already indicative of the lack of culture
Are you legitimately too low IQ to even understand that referring to something as "white" to begin with is a sign of North American culture
Besides, ethnicities are meaningless in modern Europe too. What is "ethnic French" anymore? Sarkozy has a Hungarian name, the mayor of Paris has a Spanish name, Zemmour is an Algerian-israelite.
Please read the post before replying
>unless you wan't to call muttification a culture, which you can.
>muh mutt
Do this site not realize how fucking mixed everyone’s ancestry is? French alone is Gaul, Germanic, and Roman why don’t we call them mutts
because Gual, Germanic and Roman is completely different to Irish, West African, and Cherokee or whatever the average Ameritard is
And those are completely different from each other as well
Anon that still a mutt both fucking ways
no monarchy=no history=no culture
americanity is just holding a passport handed by the american bureaucrats kek
Guess Rome and Venetia had no culture 🙁
of course it has culture. just a very gay culture.
The average citizen of those other countries is more likely to know who their nobel prize winners are. In America "dude bro what's that?"
The average citizen of France or the UK is not a sophisticated literati who went to Henri IV Lycee
The average French/Brit is an urban dweller who listens to rap, watches KSI, and knows more details about Haland or Cristiano Ronaldo's cock size than they do about their own national history.
>culture = israeli prizes
Surely you can't be this deluded
>Nobel Prize is israeli now
We have officially reached the stage where even the literal super Aryans of Sweden-Norway are now getting called "israelites" by online autists
>he thinks the pozzed union of Sweden-Norway is in anyway meaningful
Google nobel prize winner by religion and/or ethnicity
American culture is so ubiquitous that people believe it doesn't exist or is simply "common" culture that has no distinct origin
Define culture
Now define american culture
Now elaborate on the subject
The historic legacy that the USA will leave is forcing the world to have buttseks and the worship of sub-Saharan Africans. History wont be favorable.
The internet, LULZ, electricity, cars, phones
>The internet,
Sure, but world wide web is british invention
>LULZ
Japanese invention. Moot only stole and translated futabas script to english with an online translator using the British invention world wide web
>electricity
Has existed before any culture
>cars
French invention
>phones
Telephone is a scottish invention. Mobile phone is a Finnish invention.
Are you trying to argue that the country with the world's largest GDP and highest GDP per capita outside of small petrostates home to the majority of the world's top ranked universities and largest corporations by market capitalization has contributed less to global science, technology, and industry than Finland or France or Scotland?
United States is the largest corporation in the world, yes. I don't think anyone can argue otherwise.
Telephone is an Italian invention, actually.
so telephones are Italian culture? this is just symantic nonsense
Cars are South German invention.
Otto, Diesel, Daimler, Maybach, Benz, Bosch.
A lot of Americans seem to experience a kind of 'cultural cringe', where they don't take pride in the humble homesteads and timber churches of New England that represent the birth of their nation. They should promote that aspect of their history more, as they should the Spanish Missions stretching from Florida to California, the pre-Columbian sites spread across the country, and so on. Not everything has to be big and garish to be admirable
Also, it is funny how people only direct this criticism of 'no culture and no history' at the US, but not Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. That's how you know it's political. Even funnier that nobody directs it at countries like Brazil or Argentina, who are equally a legacy of European colonial settlement, have no notable pre-Columbian cultures or civilisations, and a less notable impact on global culture[s] than the Americans
>A lot of Americans seem to experience a kind of 'cultural cringe', where they don't take pride in the humble homesteads and timber churches of New England that represent the birth of their nation
Yeah that unironically rustles my jimmies, as a proud New Englander. I notice this feeling a lot even with the "trad circles" of Americans, their fixation on European cathedrals and disdain for the simplicity of Puritans' buildings. It's a shame too, a more reserved aesthetic and lifestyle was generally admired once.
You're 100% on the mark, it's all political really. People who say 'US has no culture' are simply expressing their own disdain for the US, nothing more.
Why would or should any American care what her vassals think?
>from 1901
lmao
Do they not matter after a certain amount of time?
that's not why I'm lmaoing
Do Nobel Prizes not matter because of the date?
see
K why laughing?
at people using an award that has barely existed for 100 years as evidence of culture
other countries have thousands of years of history, art, music, architecture, innovation, tradition etc to draw from
america is still a little baby. it may have culture, but not a rich one, nor a particularly good one, but that's another story
>other countries have thousands of years of history, art, music, architecture, innovation, tradition etc to draw from
I don't know a single nation that is thousands of years old. Chinese doesn't count since between Dynasty the culture changes. Again this is just cope for old=better just because.
I didn't say the nations are thousands of years old.
>old=better
correct.
Old is better because...reasons.
in the context of culture? of course it fucking is. I know you're a coping american but there is simply no arguing against this fact, so save yourself the time and effort.
Not really since throughout those years other cultures mesh and blend into said culture making an entirely different culture
>mesh and blend into said culture
maybe in muttland. French culture is French culture. Italian culture is Italian culture. America formed their own, but to say le we got a lot of chinese yakeouts and taco stands hence its our culture is laughable.
Even the way you put odd house numbers on one side of the street and even house numbers on the other came from France during Napoleon's era. Every singly good invention and cultural custom was appropriated. It does not make it your original culture
If you’re counting modern European cultures as some unbroken extension of ancient cultures then American culture also drags back thousands of years because traditions come directly from them via European settlers and immigrants
Retard
>drags back thousands of years because traditions come directly from them via European settlers and immigrants
Hence American culture is not a culture rather a combination of European cultures? Thank you for proving my point
Following your genius logic, French culture is not real either because it's just a "mutt" combination of Gallic people forced to speak Latin, named after a Germanic tribe, and worshipping a israeli Messianic Cult figure.
Oh and now they all eat Turkish Kebab and obsess over the English sport of Football and Rugby.
French culture in part originated from Roman culture. You are correct. However it had 2 thousand years to form its own that is distinct enough. To compare that argument to today's america is a stretch
It really is not. French branched off from Latin and Americans are branched off from 17th century England and developed into a distinct entity due to being located in a different physical environment from England. Wait another few centuries and dialectical divergences will be even starker, only reason they're not already is thanks to standardized education making everyone speak the "correct form" of a language.
>It really is not. French branched off from Latin
and who spoke latin? not romans?
>insults "mutts"
>Proceeds to say "Italian culture is Italian culture" with full confidence
The audacity of retards. Sure, Italy is not "mutt land", tell that to the Italians in Südtirol who speak German and to the Sicilians who spoke a dialect so incomprehensible to the Milanese that they needed subtitles to understand them on TV.
This is not even bringing up the fact that a place like Sicily saw Moorish, Norman, and Spanish rule all blending into the place.
Anyone who unironically thinks 'Mutt' is a valid argument against the USA is simply stupid, let's not beat around the bush here. Whatever imagined EVROPA of ethnically inbred and isolated cultures you have wet dreams about does not and never did exist.
Those are subcultures within larger culture. There are different ethnic peoples within Russia that celebrate their own customs, however they all are largely Russian by culture. Same as there is Venetian or Napolese customs within its own respective regions that all largely by culture are Italian.
French Loisiana had Kansas and Nebraska under its rule at one point. That dont make those places even in the slightest part under influence of French culture. Just like some Moore or Norman occupation does not make Italy have a separate distinct ties to those cultures. Retarded argument.
You know most history classes in modern day Italy already go over this stuff: "Italian" as a unified single culture is literally a meme, it's a construct from the 1800s by nationalists who figured out that getting bullied by bigger powers was a problem and they needed to solve it.
There's no real reason why Sicily and Aosta are both considered 'Italian' but Nice is now French and Ticino is now Swiss.
For crying out loud, South Tyrol speaks German, not even a Romance language, they're "Italian" because a fucking politician said so and they can cry about it.
Likewise, France invented the idea that everyone is 'French' (i.e. Parisian). Bretons speak Breton, a Celtic language, and now they're "French" and are supposed to speak a Romance language that was not their own originally.
>"Italian" as a unified single culture is literally a meme, it's a construct from the 1800s by nationalists who figured out that getting bullied by bigger powers was a problem and they needed to solve it.
so why do they all eat pizza pasta and go to the same church. you're attributing local customs to their own distinct original culture, ignoring the fact that they all derived from the same.
la and ny have their own different "culture" hence american culture doesnt exist
>so why do they all eat pizza pasta
...they don't. Pizza is a Neopolitan dish from Naples, it spread to northern Italy because of southern immigrants moving to the Po Valley for work, but it's not at all traditional to Lombardy or Aosta or Savoy etc.
>go to the same church
Nobody is going to any church these days. Religion in developed Europe is dead and it is dying in the less developed Europe.
tell that to an italian.
why are mutts so desperate to tell everyone else what they are, what they should eat and what they should believe. I guess you have to cope hard when your "culture" is mcdonalds, giving estrogen to kids and exporting war to middle east
>making an entirely different culture
except it doesn't. culture changes but it is still inspired by and retains elements of the previous culture. that is why old = good. it doesn't become something entirely different, it evolves.
This is just the "culture = old building" argument again. You cannot sincerely think that a modern day English person living in 21st century London has any meaningful tie to the Anglo-Saxon era of 1000+ years ago.
You're also flawed in presuming that American culture just starts in 1776, life is not a fucking Paradox game where a new "Culture" suddenly pops up when you press the Independence button. The US draws from England's history too, for very obvious reasons, they're literally the great^6 grandkids of English people, and their culture and history wasn't just deleted from the folder when they crossed an imaginary boundary in 1627.
I don't understand how people have such an easy time comprehending that Mexican culture has obvious roots in Spain (e.g. bullfighting, Andalusian Fashion, etc) but seemingly believe that the USA just fucking materialized out of thin air in 1776.
>The US draws from England's history too, for very obvious reasons, they're literally the great^6 grandkids of English people, and their culture and history wasn't just deleted from the folder when they crossed an imaginary boundary in 1627.
So its English culture then
Now you understand why Russians and French are always calling the Americans "Anglo-Saxons" on their news media.
But still, Americans are not "English" in the 21st century sense of what English refers to.
Basically: A Chimpanzee isn't human and a human isn't a chimpanzee, but they're both descendents of a common ancestor. The human obviously didn't just pop into existence one day out of the blue, his evolutionary lineage goes back all 4.3 billion years to LUCA. Nonetheless, both Chimp and Man are distinct species who belong in the same Great Ape category. The USA and (3/4 of) Canada are North American Anglophone cultures.
They call them Ango-Saxons because USA was colonized by Anglo-Saxons and hence a byproduct of those peoples
>Basically: A Chimpanzee isn't human and a human isn't a chimpanzee, but they're both descendents of a common ancestor.
Maybe you have descended from a chimp, I was created in the image of god.
>, I was created in the image of god.
lmao confirmed not even European then, nobody believes in Creationism anymore, pal.
At least... nobody except Americans. Creationism persisting is, funnily enough, American culture kek.
>nobody believes in Creationism anymore, pal.
average reddit user. are you wearing your "i love science" shirt as you posting now?
Are you not American or Anglo (I know they have all assimilated into American lingo online)?
no
wypipo are running into problems with the culture thing because the whole world judges what its culture is with reference to white culture so it is seen as "the baseline" rather than for its specificity, and because it is either illegal or de facto illegal for white people to engage in exclusive forms of culture. The confluence of these trends leads to all of the "there is no white/american/euro" culture
>How did this meme even become a thing?
Americans experiencing severe anomie
American culture as we know it today was created when the German 48ers, Quakers and Ellis Islanders crushed the Anglo-Norman man in 1865
Quakers are English thougheverbeit
Westerns are unique to America. This entire aesthetics of the Old West simply doesn't exist anywhere else.
USA has culture, it's just shit
USA have culture, they assimilate other culture then they ruined it
I've defended America in this thread, but this post is an abomination
it is very much a cope. the simple fact is that european culture has essentially been dead since the second world war with some upset individuals desperately clinging onto the images of their glory days meanwhile everyone in their country is buying products made by american companies in chinese factories and consuming american media.
it actually astounds me when i see europeans reacting to some news about shit totally irrelevant to anyone outside the u.s, seeing them care about shit that even i dont even care about. shit like people kneeling for george floyd or whatever, wtf? i fucking laugh, what a complete joke.
I don't want to defend USA but what new world country has a good culture? You can probably count them on one hand. Mexico, Brazil and perhaps Jamaica are the only interesting countries even though the later two are heavily influenced by their African roots (which USA is as well)
The US has a far richer history and heritage than Jamaica.
Non-Americans have a very odd view of American culture as specifically WASP, and the antagonism towards it seems to as much reflect Anglophobia and anti-British ideology as it does any kind of genuine criticism of the US. If people look at Mexico, they have no problem in taking the pre-Columbian history, the Jesuit cathedrals and the modern cuisine - a hybrid of Amerindian and Old World ingredients and techniques - as wholly, distinctly 'Mexican'. Why is the US not treated in the same way? Why are African American cultures treated as distinct from the American whole?
Jamaican culture is a synthesis of Arawak, Akan, British, Indian, and Chinese.
If USA had no culture americanization would be impossible.
That said, nobel prizes are bullshit, have always been bullshit, and I think less of american culture now due to you using this shit argument.
Culture = old building is flawed but less flawed than culture = nobel prize in literature. Old buildings and architecture are at least "shared" among a population. How many Americans have really engaged with nobel-prize winning literature?
We created
>blues
>jazz
>soul
>R&B
>funk
>hip hop
>country
>swing
>blue grass
>hip hop
>new jack swing
>disco
>Go Go
>Chopped and screwed
>Bounce
>Punk
>Trap
>Drill
>Zydeco
>Techno
>Bebop
>Rock in Roll
>metal
back to LULZ buddy
I can't tell whos more annoying and retarded: the blacks/browns who think culture is shaking your ass to shitty music and how much seasonan you put on yo muhfuggin chicken, or the whiteoids who list off fast food and random inventions. If you're using the telephone as an example of culture its over man
I would say music and food is like a fourth of a total culture. Others being distinct sports, literature, arts, and how the country generally sees itself amongst the others
The main tenants would be shit like architecture, literature, music, fashion/clothing, food and art. Then it would branch out in more abstract stuff like sense of humour, philosophy and etiquette. Sports would also be in there somewhere for sure. Dancing too but as a Western European its not something we really give a fuck about, third worlders seem big on it but thats probably why they're third worlders, it's pointless.
>Europeans don’t care about dancing
Lol what we get anon you can’t dance
Dance is part of arts it is both sport and a part of music
Western and North Europeans don't generally. Meds and Balkanoids do but they can be lumped in with turd worlders.
The. What is culture mr no pussy
>food and dance is not culture
>it is only whatever I personally respect or approve of
It is, just not the be all end all that blacks and browns seem to think. If they took a fraction of the energy they put into seasoning dey chicken or twerking and put it into science/engineering Europe would've been the one colonised
>just not the be all end all that blacks and browns seem to think
Now you’re putting words in our mouths and telling me what I think.
>If they took a fraction of the energy they put into seasoning dey chicken or twerking and put it into science/engineering Europe would've been the one colonised
Are you an idiot? Fuck off
>France has the most
How is French culture so powerful?
Chinese-American food, Italian-American food, and Mexican-American food are all important parts of American culture unironically and are globally influential enough that outside of Mexico/Italy/China themselves you're more likely to find these American cuisines in foreign markets than those of the countries that inspired them. Shit like most pizza, General Tso's/orange chicken, or fajitas.
Americans are all stupid ass homosexuals that despise nature and worship progress like good little israelite slaves.
USA is the kultur-terror of world history. The Mary Sue who gets things for no reason and was left alone to 4x happily while all the other players fought each other
it's not that complicated, america doesn't have ancient civilizations and premodern history, that's all people mean
nobody gives a shit about hick banjo folktales or colonial people in wigs fighting with muskets. people want big temples and mythologies.
If you want to get people interested in "american history/culture" you're better off trying to teach people about Cahokia then paul bunyon or bejamin franklin
What's the leading theory on why Cahokia was abandoned?