The stupidest rationale for this whole thing being faked I've heard is that apparently no one in 2000 would have album art taken from manga or anime.
The stupidest rationale for this whole thing being faked I've heard is that apparently no one in 2000 would have album art taken from manga or an...
Have they not heard of Matthew Sweet?
NEBRASKA MENTIONED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh boy here comes the "list a single example out of millions to counter". look I can do it to, that indie pop group Bis had vaguely animeish art.
the point is different elements adding up. the stupid fucking spaces between letters (even with the arrows) is an incredibly post-'10s thing to do, and so is naming something after a completely different genre (again, one or two examples like Teenage Fanclub's Heavy Metal but far and few in between), it's such a '10s form of basic ass irony. the music itself doesn't sound like it's from the 00s.
this whole argument is predicated on the concept that a small nothing band wouldn't have done things out of the ordinary because you didn't hear about them at the time. literally look up the history of anything and you'll find examples, famous and obscure, of it being done years if not decades before it became popular
take to the shill thread you stupid fuck, literally nobody cares
I'll shill my dick in your mom's ass.
go get a job toad
You guys are still shilling your trash here?
any other early 2000s loveletters to anime?
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I remember a friend sent me the original shitty rip of this before it became a huge meme and I joined the chatroom about five zoomers were using to try and find the band. a couple days before they finally got a lead I found pic related (released 2000) in the dollar bin at my local record store. people really underestimate how much odd landfill indie is really out there, and how much of it is pretty decent too.
You mean nobody out there has heard of the obscure emo-hardcore band from New York named Tetsuo? And they didn't know their only release through a record label was a split 7inch with a band named Edgar? And they also didn't know about the Tetsuo side of that record is weeb as fuck, with anime artwork, anime song titles, and even audio samples from the movie Akira? (Pic related)
How could such plebians even so kuch as consider themselves to be fans of music?
Akira is pleb anime
The rationale is that they never provided any proof they existed
It’s a little ahead of its time. It’s weird to think what other obscure art is out there that may never be discovered. Faking your time period is a weird marketing ploy, I don’t know if they would, but it is a good story. To me, it sounds Radiohead influenced, which checks out for the time.
>faking your time period is a weird marketing ploy
Not anymore. Zoomers are all obsessed with hauntology and prior eras of things
Yeah it is. I could see where they’re coming from. I still think their age doesn’t lie and neither does their sound, honestly. At most, I could believe a band member uploaded the album first to try and test the waters. No matter what they’re successful regardless.
>Faking your time period is a weird marketing ploy
this is the only reason i've sort of believed the story. going through that stunt to only become a weird internet spectacle is at best odd and at worst sad. music fucking sucks, though. so who cares
>Faking your time period is a weird marketing ploy
no it's not. the whole point is the mystery of "where and when did this come from"
Sort of makes sense in the context of the vaporwave craze. Vaporwave wasnt something everybody was into but it had a big presence on internet art, aesthetics, and fashion
People heard of anime back then no one ever knew anything besides dragon ball and pokemon. Some anon did a thurall investigation a couple months ago and debunked it
did this nigga just type "thurall"?
he did
You can stop shilling your shitty band now.
Not a stupid argument. Anime wasn't that popular back then.
anime didnt exist until naruto invented it in 2004
This homosexual band is fake but anime covers have been done in the past. Not surprised you zoomers wouldn't know this.
is this anime? it just looks like a regular western cartoon
not anime
It's from a hentai manga/doujin. Albini had a friend who imported that kind of stuff in the 80s which is how he found it.
Didn't he get the Rapeman name from some hentai too?
Albini was both a heroin addict and a porn addict. Still don't believe that he was an actual PDF or that he killed anybody or whatever the fuck but it's still pretty easy to say Big Black might have been a cry for help nonetheless. I think that's also a large part of what makes it so compelling.
I think there was some shoegaze live gig poster from the very late 80's-early 90's that had anime lewds as the art?
I might have ran into it on some FB group related to gaze ages ago? hoping that someone else here can deliver.
this is from 2001
doubt it
https://www.discogs.com/release/1608002-Helen-Love-Love-And-Glitter-Hot-DaysAnd-Music
I think the problem isn't with the anime cover itself but the fact that it's used for the "unknown" radiohead worship which makes it seem like something made by someone from LULZ
Daffodil – Only For You
Bit Music (SPAIN)
Bonus scan from same label (:
Raver Girl – Sister Golden Hair
1996
1997 respectively...
1994
This one isn't surprising since Channel X was one of those Eurodance acts that was really popular in Japan.
>intrudes
I miss early dnb that reak of playstation
boomers and millennials weren't into anime like anyone born after 2000. That and the meme D>E>A> vaporwave text is a dead giveaway it was made by some zoomer in 2020
i too love spouting shit out of my ass
>i love spouting shit out of my ass
So, so that's why you're trying to convince other people this subpar d rd is some lost masterpiece, got it.
Factually untrue, it was just a lot more niche. The 90s was one of the first big booms for anime/manga popularity in the West.
Yeah that's bullshit. The 90s was filled with western weebs it just wasn't mainstream. But you often hear the stories of VHS fan subs. People even watched Akira when that came out and that was 88
>and the meme D>E>A> vaporwave text is a dead giveaway it was made by some zoomer in 2020
Wrong about the anime shit, right about this tough.
It was first discovered in 2016 so he is also wrong about that.
>It was first diacovered
Of by "first discovered" you mean "the kid that made the album posted it on reddit claiming it to be bad lder than it is" then yes, otherwise, no
It was first posted here. If you can't even get the absolute basics right then nothing you have to say has any value.
>It was first posted here.
Doesnt mean the same as "it was first discovered".
If you can't even get the absolute basics right then nothing you have to say has any value, you goddamn ESL.
pretty sure a bunch of the Lord of the Rings actors (viggo et al) were in Tokyo buying gunpla in the early 2000s so idk about all that
Gundam is like one of the 3 animes people knew about back then. Tired of people giving examples of shit like that and Akira as anime being popular in the west back then
if people were aware of anime even superficially then, it follows that superficial use of anime imagery was plausible in that era
if you used that pea you call a brain, you'd be able to tell that's exactly what i was implying. one does not need to be some deep-lore otaku to use superficial Japanese/anime imagery, it could be any old random pic someone (ie the Pachinko guys, who already named their band after a popular Japanese game) found amusing. think before you speak
>oh look, a cool robot toy, my kid likes robots
>6000 millennia later
>THAT MEANS HES AN OTAKU JIST LIKE MEEEEEE!
nagger, anime was already popular in the 90s
there were a few low hanging fruit anime that were popular. thats a far cry from using an obscure manga
No it isn't. You know nothing about western otaku culture from back then. People would scan manga and translate it (ie scanlation) for various forums or IRC groups. It's that same culture that moot got into that eventually birthed LULZ. The manga the cover is from (Mint na Bokura) was written by the same author that made Marmalade Boy, which was fairly popular in it's time. So no doubt they had fans that would keep up with the author's next work.
there were like 60 people at most on early LULZ. Yes im sure it existed but you are dumb if you thought every other zoomer at the time knew anything past the popular stuff
Early LULZ just consisted of people who thought something awful was getting too gay
from 1992
as for the panchiko cover its been confirmed that mint na bokura fansites on geocities exited in the late 90
Not only is this from 2001, it's also from russia.
https://pastebin.com/cbFkxD2m
Its an elaborate ruse but still a ruse. they stole their band name and faked the album
Animus started becoming popular in the west in the 90s. Quite a number of tv channels were running chinese cartoons for kids.
Be real, no one back then knew about manga. No one was chronically online enough to know about Japanese culture
Isn’t there old footage of them? Also has anyone compared their voices (original vs contemporary live gigs)?
I've known enough computer musician nerds who sat in irc 24/7 back then to know this isn't true at all, you just didn't see anime shit much in public
has some, you can check it for yourself
>album art headshot looks exactly like Exmilitary
>ironic album title, it's called deathmetal but it's actually indie rock
>first EVER mention of it online was in 2016 on LULZ when it was first 'discovered' and shilled
All straight giveaways that it wasn't made in the year 2000 or even earlier. The biggest insolence being that they tried convincing people that disc-rot has altered the sound when that's impossible. Even rym trannies aren't buying the story anymore, they moved the release all the way down to additional releases.
You can check the RYM edit history for it and the mods pretty clearly shot down the people trying to say it was made in 2016. The 'additional releases' thing is just modern RYM autism since people argue it's a demo and not an EP.
>ironic album title
Yeah, no one has ever done that in the past before.
>ironic album title, it's called deathmetal but it's actually indie rock
Not that much of a stretch. The fact that it suddenly became shilled everywhere is.
These threads make me very angry for some reason. I have no desire to listen to Panchiko nor do I care about whether or not the album is real. It's just that this is what music discussion has turned into, acting smug because album art aesthetics used a specific artstyle; never mind that the people making these arguments have probably not even listened to the releases being posted ITT. The work of these musicians is just a tool now, and for what? It's all so tiresome.
its a fake album you idiot
Prove it.
You are the one making the claim its a real album. I dont have to prove shit
Facts aren't claims, plenty of evidence has been provided. So you have no proof for your claim?
>Facts aren't claims
And clams aren't facts
> plenty of evidence has been provided.
And refuted
Do you have any proof for your claim?
>anime face meant to get attention from anime fans
>it does
of all the things to get frustrated by... real or fake the artist was blatantly going for it...
Helen Love was already mentioned but there are countless weeaboo musicians that were infatuated with "Japanimation" (as it was called during the 90s) before it was huge with normies.
>Urusei Yatsura and Bis come to mind as alt rock that uses anime aesthetics decades before it was cool.
>shitty rap-numetal like Linkin Park and Lostprophets also used mechas in their cover art
>singles of theme songs from foreign dubs in places like Italy or Latin America where anime was popular years before it took off in the US
>KMFDM's music video for Juke Joint Jezebel was just a Patlabor AMV
it's so fucking absurd to see kids born in 2005 trying to argue that late teens/young adults didn't search out anime on geocities in the late 90's
just because they had to trade tapes or settle for 2 AM Sci-Fi channel airings instead of downloading their shit off nyaa doesn't mean weebs weren't around back in the day
I don't even want to sound like I'm talking from a place of experience as someone that was there. I was a small child at that time. but anime was fucking everywhere, it was a boom period. you could almost have an argument if we were discussing the early 90s (though even then, as niche as it was, circles still existed) but trying to act like nobody cared in the late 90's/early 00's reeks of main character syndrome and assuming anime didn't exist in the western public's eyes before you discovered attack on titan or some shit.
no one is saying anime was obscure you autistic fuck. that doesn't mean a ton of indie artists were using it as album art, or that "teens/young adults" would have been the ones making these albums. ultimately the music doesn't sound like it was produced in that time anyway.
>ultimately the music doesn't sound like it was produced in that time anyway.
It sounds like late 90s indie rock. It sounds like Grandaddy meets Radiohead.
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>late 90's-early 00's
Of course it was huge/a boom; but primarily among kids to preteens. And it was pretty much a -very- limited selection pool within said normie children as well - DBZ, Pokemon, YGO, Digimon. The only teens and adults of the time that were into anime were an absolute minority of Nerds and Autists.
Now with Gen Z - seems like the majority of them- even as teens/adults (including the macho wigger dudebro hypebeasts) - are super dedicated/invested into Anime, and have tastes that expand all the way out to shit that barely anyone has ever heard of in the 90's/00's aside from nerdospergos.
Just look at all the broccolihair streetwear 'draingang sadboi' kiddies who got into Lain and Azumanga over the past year or so via the Youtube/Tiktok Algorithms.
You're forgetting that was in America, other countries have been liking anime decades before it broke into the US
Transformers and a number of other cartoons were originally created to shill island chink toys to american kids.
anime was everywhere, even older people knew about ghibli, pokemon etc., I remember my cousin showing Monster & Evangelion to me in 2002. People knowing about more obscure anime wasn't a rare phenomenon.
>Its fake!!
>Noo its real!!!
literally who cares, its probably fake but its not that memoriable either way
Zoomers apparently don't understand that there were weeaboos back in the fucking 80s, there just weren't that many of them because of how difficult it was to actually get access to anime that wasn't stuff like Speed Racer. You had to be the kind of ultra nerd that the Internet has pretty much rendered extint.
>anime didn't even exist until 2007
>tfw Toonami ran on CN starting in the late 90s
massive respect to Trey for repping his old bandmate's new band
I think they got over their differences, also they both seem like huge autists.
Every single time its always an example of one of the 5 animes the west knew. The anime in the OP is obscure, its not some mainstream sailormoon shit
I explicitly remember hearing someone prove that the guitar, synths sound, and recording technique used on the album did not exist back then so for this album to be recorded in 2000 is actually impossible. As usual, nobody cares. I guess people would rather believe an interesting lie than deal with the boring truth.
Yes, I totally believe you. You are definitely not lying out your ass.
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Zoomers think they invented everything so the thought that people were into Japanese culture before mass Internet (something they believe they have ownership over) is inconceivable to them. The zoomer's brain is so catastrophically solipsistic that everything exists only in relation to its own experiences, therefore any stimuli new to it is immediately assumed to not have existed until the moment it is perceived. The notion that objects existed before and will persist after a zoomer's sensory experience of them brings them into being enrages it and should only be brought up when the zoomer does not have rope or sharp objects around, as the zoomer's fragile and fragmented psyche is prone to attention-seeking acts of self-harm
I love how millennials ITT are claiming they invented and popularized anime just because of a few outliers here and there. Go ahead and post an example of a musician reading Berserk for example. you can't because literally no one knew about it until the past decade or so
Does the world go away when you close your eyes? Lmao you fucking retard
This demo sounds like the shit my mom listened to in the late 90s, SFA/Radiohead Neo-Psychadelica/Britpop/Triphop/Alt/Indie Rock that was popular then.
Only thing offputting to me is the quality of the scan and the 90s Oxfam price label still being on the disk when it was brought in 2018 or whatever.
But it's fucking embaressing seeing people on LULZ not know what it was like to be an otaku in the late 90s/early 00s or even understand not being an entry-level gaiafag. Grew up with anime in the early 00s thanks to my cousins who always made AMVs and put them on KaZaA, I was obsessed with CCS and streamed Love Hina on Winamp streaming in 2003, dudes I met from this site back in 2006 were always balls deep into mecha would be micspamming OPs and denpa songs on the CS:S server, now it's just a bunch of miserable whiny homosexuals here.
No one is questioning the existence of ancient weebs you retard. Anime fansubs predate the fucking internet, Samurai X, Naruto, Death Note, X, Chobits all became famous in the west because of fansubs but the pachinko story is so unbelievable fabricated only the biggest of dumbasses would believe it.
No it's just everyone in the thread insinuating that only people knew basic shit in dialup days even though these fuckers are underageb& probably don't even know what a zine is and these are the fuckers posting on imageboards today
if you actually look into it at all you have to be an intentionally contrarian retard to still think it's fake. they reformed after it blew up and are very clearly clueless gen x-ers who wouldn't have any knowledge of what terminally online zoomers are into or reason to care, the music sounds totally of its time (and really the album art is too,) and there's plenty of corroborating evidence people have dug up showing them performing at the time. even ignoring all of this, if it was a hoax that means someone sat on a shitty bitrotted rip of it since at least 2016 and then waited half a decade for zoomers to randomly start caring about it specifically over all the other 'lost media' out there. it wouldn't have even made sense to do at that time: any resemblance to vaporwave doesn't bear out in the music (which you think they would've exploited if that connection was intentional) and 2016 was still a bit too early for zoomer y2k nostalgiabaiting, the closest you got was neocities. pretty much every detail of its backstory can be occam's razored down to it just happening to get very lucky where other similar albums ITT didn't.
Sup Owain
whatever helps you sleep at night. the burden of proof is on them, and they have no proof.
I just find it bizarre that there are people to this day dead set on some sort of conspiracy about a decent album to the point that I don't look at this board for years and still see threads about it at the top of the catalog when I come back. you can look into it yourself, or you can be a total retard and still obsessively parrot this years later lol
I remember this dude being supremely autistic about hating LULZ and then getting memed into trying to take ownership of that server by actual 12 year olds who wanted him to be "anti-janny" despite him literally being a mod in there. one of the dumbest things I've seen, the catfights between the kids with generic pride flag picrew avatars and edgelords who wanted to call everyone naggers were incredible
The original scan quality is absolute shit which is why they didn't use the artwork with the squares for the physical reissues: https://web.archive.org/web/20200216153804/https://panchiko.bandcamp.com/releases
Plus the Oxfam label isn't from the 90s, they still use them today.
But seriously
>No-one knew anime before 2012
>No-one knew irony before 2012
More like you homosexuals came from fucking Facebook and Twitter, cause that's when that shit started to move away from le rageface 9gag shit there and homosexuals there finally found LULZ because of "shitposting" pages that post gayass old memes and other shit and started talking about how "ironic their memes are" and how they're "post-ironic" and all that other pathetic shit. ohhh of course no no-one ever heard of Azumanga daioh the fucking shit that flooded this site with Shoe gifs OH MY GAH azurave etc., israelitegrounds and YTMND (spawning fads there too) and probably had 1,000,000 flash loops and gifs that flooded normalfag sites. Why are you here trying to talk about this shit, you don't even know the most basic gaiafag bullshit and you're trying to tell me what a dedicated otaku from the late 90s/00s is going to fucking know.
Go back to 9gag and facebook community bullshit you fucking homosexuals
Good post. I can't tell if it's just retarded normie teens thinking they invented irony and anime because they just discovered it or if zoomers are uniquely brain damaged
zoomers are the ones defending that faggy album
Not reading all that
sameposter
The album that BROKE LULZ
Genius marketing, people have been arguing if its real or not for years
Bad Brains and Big Black both referenced Anime. Skin Yard was likely also Anime Inspired.
sorry bad brains when?
I don't care where the story is fake or not, I just like seeing LULZ seethe about the dumbest shit.
It's funny how much this still makes people seethe.
Someone pulled up the exif data and proved it was from like 2016
The EXIF data only shows the tracks were ripped from the disc in 2016 using iTunes. This has absolutely no relation to when the tracks were recorded or produced. https://i.imgur.com/UhkVP2N.png
>track creation date
>2016
lmao. we have proved its fake, we can stop talking about it now
If I rip a copy of Nevermind to my computer in 2023 that doesn’t mean it was recorded in 2023 you absolute spastic.
wasn't anime in its "coming of age" at this point? Why would anyone think this?
anime is cringe anyway. even if it was real (its not) it should be a red flag to stay away
You are on LULZ
>LULZ is le anime friendly site
most reddit take ive heard today. no one over 20 should be watching anime
Anime conventions in the 90s were bigger than they are now because the only way you could get anime (that wasn’t on TV) in the first place was to go to a con with blank VHS tapes and get it copied from fansubbers.
You genuinely have to be a contrarian retard to think it's fake at this point.
people were still making fun of gamers and weebs until the late 2000s. this album is fake and tranny
People who think it's real have provided plenty of evidence while people who think it's fake make claims that are easily debunked and get angry when you disagree with them. It's pretty obvious what the answer is at this point.
What evidence? Some random battle of the bands that happened 22 years ago?
Still fake
Denying reality is a sign of mental illness.
Screenshot of an obsessive fan who was banned from the fan server after doing this shit 3 years ago. Nothing to do with the actual members of the band.
Screenshot of the assface that made that hoax trying to defend this shit.
If a 20 year old American named Toad aka Jacob made the album then who tf are these 40 year old British dudes??
fake album