We have no Freewill.
Because everything that exists is predetermined, therefor freewill is mathematically impossible. In fact, logically, as soon as something is limited by any construct or limitation (and 'existance' itself is a limitation) it has no freewill of its own because it will base every decision based on the predetermined constructs/limitations. So there is only an illusion of freewill. So basically we are all NPCs that think they are main characters.
It's the final pill to swallow.
we do have freewill, but it's not a wide open field you have to choose from certain options.
It's an illusion of freewill. Everything that defines you is predetermined so you don't choose who you are, therefor you don't choose what you want or will. You choose what you want based on predetermination alone since predetermination is what defines yourself. So for example (a simple example to make myself clear and easy to understand) if you decide to take dark chocolate over white chocolate because you prefer dark chocolate, it might seems like it is your choice but you did not choose to prefer dark chocolate, you were predetermined to do so by events that shaped yourself which are all absolutely out of your control and will.
what a waste of digits. it is not an illusion, its a test to see you can make choices and own the consequences. you are child.
it is an illusion idiot. the person that you think you are doesn't exist, it is just a thought. nobody is in control of anything, nobody is doing anything. everything is happening on its own.
Some options, open more options.
Other options, close more options.
Somewhere in this tossup between one and zero is the one option that contains all the others. A sweet spot that contains all the potential, and by extension all the powers of the rest. That is freedom. Flexibility.
There's no such thing as an option, all of history is predetermined. Spacetime is a 4 dimensional space, we experience the 4th dimension as change in the 3rd dimension. You're just along for that ride through spacetime. Literally the only reason people think we have free will is because it feels like we do.
your will is not determined Anon, sometimes you can go left, others you can go right
What you're promoting is the illusion of predetermination, which frees you from having to decide. To decide is stressful, you're looking a way out
Freewill my balls LMAO
Lol4wk8kh
Your take is retarded. It’s like “you can’t bang a hooker in Vegas because you’re not in Vegas therefore you don’t have free will.”
Freewill exists but ~95% of the decisions you make are motivated by your chemistry which is what controls you.
You choose whether you have free will or not. Thus I have free will, and you don't.
You don't choose who are and every event that shaped who you are, therefor you do not choose to have free will or not. You choose nothing. It is impossible like I explained above. You are predetermined just like everything you will do. You only experience an illusion of free will which is the ultimate blue pill.
Very compelling, yet I still choose to exercise my free will, and you have no way of ever disproving that.
you're free to choose how to think concerning any subject matter and form an ethos around it. that's the entire idea behind free will. there will always be obstacles between you and infinity, if not you wouldn't be able to speculate upon said obstacles, thus placing another obstacle. thought spirals are dangerous
>We have no Freewill.
lmao this again
bro, you have free will.
>Because everything that exists is predetermined
There are infinite possibilities; every time you make a choice, you shrink certain possibilities and create new ones.
>You don't choose who are and every event that shaped who you are
This is a myopic scope of argument which is supplementary to the totality of asking whether free will exists or not.
Life implies death, existence implies non-existence. This is just a fact, not an argument that support your hypothesis.
Your concern is the inbetween: There happens a thing-event inbetween life and death to which details don't matter. But it happens nonetheless.
You are an individual conscious being that is born into the part of the whole-universe-god-thing; therein it implies that you are separate yet part of an ecosystem. You have the ability to perform anything within reason of the laws of the universe, but simultaneously because you are human (and a conscious being) you have certain limitations because of your literal physically-dimensioned nature.
I say you are myopic because you believe being a limited-being implies you have no free-will, when it is quite literally the opposite: if you are unlimited-being, you have NO freewill because you are limitless and all options of all actions are unified into a single category of action; totality.
Free will is an inherent quality of Consciousness. THAT should be your primary starting point of your argument; Consciousness. Do you or don't you have consciousness? If you don't, you have no action possible, because action requires an agent consciously doing.
You have every choice to kys. but you don't: why is that? what's stopping this action from happening? because you're a homosexual atheist? or because you have free will?
Buddhism and Hinduism have already logically and mathematically solved this question; you are far too behind in your study.
>>We have no Freewill.
Did you will to write this?
>> Yes, but there's also a reality in which I didn't.
No there is not, you didn't do it.
Physically and mathematically speaking, a universe of uncertainity and coexisting probabilities is much more sensible than a universe of strict rules and crude matter. Not everything has to be innately knowable, and that's okay.
>everything that exists is predetermined,
says who
Why do you need figures of authority to tell you how to think? Just use logic and apply it to figure it out by yourself. Regardless if you need the authority or impression of someone else to tell you how to think, you do not know whatever this person teaches whatever you agrees with it or not, because you do not go within yourself to know it but rely on an impression of what the other person projects on yourself to confirm it for yourself.
>says this bullshit
predetermination is the result of an authority-figure/force
NVM
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>everything is predetermined
This nigga never heard of Quantum Mechanics
lol, QM doesn't mean you have free will.
>sabine
>"everything is predetermined"
cool. so, you want to nominate her for the nobel prize?
because, breddy sure that pion decay is entirely random.
She's assuming a hidden variables model. As in, just because no one has an equation that will predict with a uranium nucleus will decay, doesn't mean that there isn't some undiscovered variable that can determine it. And I think she even gets sloppy moving between no free will and determinism. If underlying reality is truly random (not just unpredictable, but current events don't depend on past events) then it can't be deterministic. But, that doesn't mean you have free will. It just means your unfree decisions will have some bit of a randomness to them.
sure, sure... and she's wrong.
what happens when you pass electrons through a z gate, collect only electrons from one of the two apertures, and then pass those through an x gate, and finally pass all of the electrons from the x gate through another z gate?
pro-tip: it is PHYSICALLy IMPOSSIBLE to determine from which aperture any particular electron will emerge; they will emerge from both with a 50/50 probability, EVEN THOUGH you screened those bitches in the first z gate.
sabine creates youtube videos for the same kinds of people that like to watch big bang theory.
You are one of those that think that there is no light on the black difractions strips, don't You?
>You are one of those that think that there is no light on the black difractions strips, don't You?
you're one of those fools that think that quantum effects, such as difraction, only occur with light, arent' you?
Nope, only saying that it will be very hard to truly observe exact patch of all the virtual particles as the electron smears on them and reasembles
But you can not disaprove that the exact patch might be there, just beyond our reach. Please don't masturbate with quantum "statistic version of epicycles no more
*any more (our damn slavic double negations)
it's literally impossible as a result of debroglie's relationships.
it is impossible to know a particle's position AND momentum, because if you have low uncertainty, the necessary components that make up the momentum (think fourier) are NECESSARILY infinite, and vice versa.
>it's literally impossible
Are you talking about reality theory or measurments theory? Upon what it was build on, hmm?
Think Anon, think!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism
Anti-Free willers when they see a gun and have to kill themselves because they were predetermined to.
Luckily I have agency over myself
>I have agency over myself
You just think you do. It feels real, doesn't it?
>It feels real, doesn't it?
experience is the only thing that exists
>experience is the only thing that exists
And what you experience is predetermined.
Predeterminism is a self defeating argument, you dumb homosexual.
Evidently free will IS a thing, because your little naggerbrain didn't see that coming.
You're a loser because you spend all day jerking off and watching anime, not because you don't have free will, you spineless little homosexual
Kek why do I have a weird feeling that you were just reading Schopenhauer?
My only recourse to what you said is that no, we do have free will, God gave it to us. And no matter what we choose to do, we will regret it.
My freewill made me post child porn on tor but it was removed soon after. Against my will.
>is limited by any construct or limitation
chaos theory
>Because everything that exists is predetermined, therefor freewill is mathematically impossible.
babbys first philosophical journey.
this is fallacious reasoning.
Just because I know what you will choose doesn't mean you didn't choose it.
If I know you will choose chocolate ice cream, the fact that you choose it doesn't disprove you choosing it.
mfw OP can't grasp the concept of first principles
>Allah is chained up and controlling the whole universe including when you wipe your ass with your bare hand
shut the fuck up you muslim shit for brains
shutup fatso
Piss off israelite, just because you are married doesnt mean i dont have free will
This is the lowest IQ OP on /misc/ right now.
Objectively free will does not exist.
Subjectively free will exists.
Subjectivity objectively exists.
Just don't overthink it. No matter what the universe does, you are still and always stuck in your human perspective. And that's how we have to handle life.
ITT newfags' first introduction to Calvinism
Shut up about free will. I am a wizard and have met your israeli God. Free will exists. If you use it for evil thats on you.
Free will does not exist without a belief that the world will never end in the end and the universe is going on with its demise in a different way and the universe has been forever and forever in the same direction and the world will continue with
Technically true, but without perfect information, the illusion remains intact
>it's gonna be okay anon
Speak for yourself. I have free will. I proved it by refusing to take the vaxx despite the most pervasive and manipulative propaganda campaign of all time. I also refused to wear the mask or to take a single covid test, despite endless prodding by friends and family, and being literally yelled at regularly by strangers in stores.
No, I have free will. I do whatever the fuck I want. YOU are a slave.
this is actually the original redpill, not a blackpill
This is a mental trap that people get themselves into because they are presented with binary choices with black and white consequences that can be read backwards like data streams. You start thinking that the arrangement of the thing is somehow inflicting some kind of linear causality to your life that is inescapable wherein no choices are possible, but that's an illogical conclusion. It's unresolved. You rail against binary cause and effect and angrily conclude that there is no choice at all, which is simply not true. It's just that choices have obvious consequences and you know you should make the "right" choice or experience negative consequences.
>TLDR: You have free will, what you don't have is freedom to express your will without consequence
you are limited by your genetics and your environment. if you are born stupid it will determine how you will act and behave;therefore, you have no freewill
if you believe in freewill then you can't believe blacks are genetically inclined towards crime. a belief in freewill would contradict that.
What level of sophistication must a creature exhibit to demonstrate free will? My dog chooses what toys she plays with. It changes day to day. What unspoken force is compelling her that could not simply be called her free will to choose?
Sorry guys. Free will definitely exists.
Can you tell me how these choices are not predetermined and are a result of libertarian free will?
Can you tell me how they are predetermined? If you're going to make a claim you have to back it up. I can't make your argument for you. Please explain the underlying forces of nature that compell my dog to pick up doctor pig or the plush guitar. What cosmic will is compelling her to rag doll her pillow one day and her whole bed the next. If everything is compulsion so be it but how does one select when compulsions take place at the same time? If I have a plate of food and I start on the rice before I eat some veggies, what force compelled me to choose one before the other?
>If you're going to make a claim you have to back it up.
You made the claim and I asked you to back it up. You have not done so.
Your dog's neurons are physical things that are made of physical particles. These particles are acted upon by other particles and they in turn further act on other particles. There is a chain of causation that leads all the way back his birth (and really back much farther than that). There is no place in this chain of causation for actual free will that is not an illusion. That would seem to require some sort of external influence, but there doesn't seem to be anything like that. A set of neurons can't act outside of their chain of causation.
Mind is the underlying substrate to all material. This is not an original thought. Your ideas could equally be used to disect life, going over chemical reactions and oxygen and so on until the entire system is one abstract series of chemical reactions, but we all know that life is more than that. Your examination is bound by the constraints of your imagination and the frame work of the concepts you approach the topic at hand with. All matter is 99.9999% empty. Neurons can barely be said to exist at all. I propose that you are nothing more than a series of whirling electromagnetic vortexes interacting with each other. What does that say about your ability to exercise will? Nothing. If mind exists in the neurons then so be it, though it does not seem to be the case considering the fact that people have verifiable out of body experiences.
Life and free will are not within the bounds of science to adequately define.
incorrect. study the CTMU.
babby discovers fatalism
So you had no free will when you misspelled free will
Anything that can happen will happen in a infinite expanding universe. You have the illusion of free will but everything you could possibly do is all ready coded behind the scenes. Just enjoy the ride I have a feeling it never actually ends
Causal determinism breaks down when you try to find the initial cause. If every choice you make is a result of other causes that happened before, and those causes happened because of even prior causes, its not different than saying the earth is supported on the back of an elephant who is standing on the back of an elephant who is standing on the back of an elephant. Its elephants all the way down. The Deists of the 18th century had already determined that there must have been an unmoved mover, and initial causes, and this initial cause is what we call God. Since this cause is outside the chain of causation, it at the very least has free will, so free will does exist. More than that, humans have the appearance of free will. We seem to experience it and embody it. Since that seems to be the case, our free will must stem from outside the mechanical system of the physical universe, and originates from the first cause, God. We have souls that are imbued with free will that inhabit physical bodies that exist in a mechanical universe which is acted upon by metaphysics in ways we do not yet understand.
>God can do anything
>I too can do anything
I think you got that half right
i didn't say that
Good
>It's the final pill to swallow
No it's not, you just caught a case of depression. Cut the screen time and get some exercise. Drop the trash and eat your veggies. We're all going to make it
if there are christians here it's because they grew up in a christian society
if they had been born in an islamic society they would be muslims
they didn't choose islam. it was determined by their culture and environment.
a person born in an islamic society is most likely to be muslim than a christian or an atheist. This shows that there is no free. everything is either determined by environment or genetics
there is no free will*
you are a moron, but you touch on the difference between Christian and Muslim views on the universe.
Christians see the universe as created with natural laws. Muslims see the universe as controlled by Allah.
it's why Christians developed modern science which is based on seeking out those laws in a universe that God took His hands off of. While in the Islamic world, inquiries into the laws of nature cannot be pursued because the immutable shit that mohammad made up cannot be deviated from.
>you are a moron
says the guy who didn't refute anything i said. you just went on a rant about islam and christianity that had nothing to do with what i said
you must have bad reading comprehension skills or something
>hurr durr
>people born somewhere something something
>no free will
moron
if you had been born in saudi arabia you would talking about how better islam is compared to christianity
you only believe in christianity because you are a white man who lives in the west and you were brainwashed to think christianity is true as arabs are brainwashed to think islam is true
you would be talking*
lol you haven't even read either of those religions. you're so uneducated and stupid. very unintelligent.
except that time a korean read the bible and converted himself and his country
>nihilist israelite is freaked that he's a nihilist
Okay, israelite.
congratulations, you are one step closer to enlightenment
This is no different than believing everything happens because God.
Midwit baby's first existential crisis take.
imagine doing hard drugs with your raccoon friends and sitting on the couch beside them and you're all eating cheesy poofs out of separate bowls and watching fun movies
>Because everything that exists is predetermined
Good, then we should make it legal for me to tell you to kys.
>Because everything that exists is predetermined
It isn't.
Our personalities, memories, motivations, decisions, and actions are the result of neurochemical processes in our brains. Any attempt to control that is itself a neurochemical process. There is no part of "you" or what you refer to as "I" that is not a neurochemical process, and that's all determined by the laws of physics.
Are you going to tell me that the atoms and molecules that make up your experience of "mind" have free will?
ITT: An NPC projects his inferiority complex onto others because he lacks the mental capacity for empathy.
More at 11.
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So what? How is that a black pill? It means you instantly have no obligations, no responsibilities, no accountability.
shouldnt this be liberating? it means you can do whatever you want and not have to blame it on your decisions
In a sense you are correct. Man in his current state of consciousness cannot 'do'. Everything to him 'happens'. It happens just in a way under many laws. BUT man can begin to struggle within himself to raise in consciousness and he would eventually be able to 'do' and to act with free will.
By struggle I mean starting with self-observation. Observing the thinking, emotions and also sensations in the body. As these are illuminated and refined, we become more aware of ourselves and how much of automatons we actually are.
'until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate'.
We are all controlled by fate and to an extent NPCs. But again, we all have that little seed within us to become something more.
This is why self-aware puppets, or puppets than can see their own strings, are a constant theme in supernatural horror stories.
The reality is that no one knows if free will can be said to exist, and there is no consensus among current philosophers. The best case for free will I can find (outside of religion) is the book, "Laws, Mind, and Free Will" by Steven Horst, and his whole thesis is still just that "it can't be said that free will doesn't exist".
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The universe is deterministic. If you recreated all of the initial conditions and made our universe again, it would play out exactly the same way. There is no random. Deterministic universe = no free will.
>and how do I know this you may ask?
>it's simple really,
>I just ran some reproducible studies setting up the initial conditions of our universe and observing how it plays out
>We have no Freewill.
>Because everything that exists is predetermined, therefor freewill is mathematically impossible.
Yet everything you will do in life betrays your convictions.
Personally I know that free will exists, because I can believe in the bible with 10000% certainty...
I became Christian a few years ago..
If you are serious with praying and living a sin free life God will prove himself to you.
The spiritual realm where angels amd demons dwell is hyper-realistic and feels like earth-life is just a dull dream instead.
Whenever I went back to living in sin, the devil will try to attack me in very horrible ways at night...
Likewise if I go back to praying amd reading scripture everyday it is pure bliss and hope and feeling full of life… beyond words.
Atheists live in a bubble....
Atheists
>It's the final pill to swallow
Wanna know what's weird? There's evidence as to why you're wrong, but when I say that you'll fight me. When I reveal the evidence, you'll fight me. You can not allow yourself to live in a world where you are it's author because then you would have to hold yourself to account for your own unhappiness, and that scares you. More than living a meaningless life, it scares you.
You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
Or kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that’s clear
I will choose Freewill
We, all make choices
You chose poorly
Have fun
Freewill means you can make self reflect and your brain can alter its own decision making process.
Kek, lotta peeps in this thread think they know a lot more than they actually know.
Want to know the ultimate red pill and advice for self improvement to be on the path to resolve all your problems, whether male or female?
Forgive your mothers!
Then forgive your father for not protecting you from her and hear his side of the story
Thats literally it, the reason 99.9% of ppl who need to be on "self improvement" is because they took on their mothers negative nature and ended up a beta (for men) or bitter (for women)
Seems to always be the case with troubled ppl like in these trannies, incels, school shooters to thugs, sluts, daddy issue girls etc or anyone with issues.
They resent their mothers for being controlling and either pushing their fathers away via divorce or turning them into weak versions of themselves so they couldn't lead the family. Take a look at anyone who has issues or even yourself. Its hard to admit cos we love our mothers but there is always something she did that we resent her for. Whether it's that their "love" felt conditional, coddled/sheltered you too much or they were overbearing/controlling etc. It always brings out the negative traits in people as their neurosis and traumas are passed onto you over the years. Forgive your mother's (as in verbally say it to them ideally in person) then return to your dad's and forgive him too for not protecting you from your mother's negative nature. Until you do this you will never be who you were supposed to be and will always have trouble dealing with women properly if you can't even deal with the one that's supposed to love you regardless. Or with females, you will become her and inflict the pain on other men then on your own kids. Its just a cycle of women never being called out on their shit so it spills out onto their kids
This
It's interesting isn't it
Tbh as I got older, I realise that women overall just have this nature in them to want to control things. The problem is: although they can get control very easily, they more often than not aren't very responsible with it. Or they misuse it that it leads to destruction, most of the times without even meaning or intending to. Eg. Being accepting of things that are blatantly wrong to gain social favor, such as transgenderism and the covid vaccine, or being slutty.
Seems to be why women are the more neurotic, anxiety ridden types. It all stems from wanting to control things, or not being able to control things. Once you come to this realisation you will notice this in basically ALL women in your life, from your coworkers, HR roasties, relatives, even your own mother and grandmother you love so much. Even if you ask them something that requires a simple yes or no, they will speak in tangents to control. Heck, what is makeup? Another thing they can use to control their appearance.
They all do it so some extent and just like that, can switch sides so easily to control the situation and keep life comfy for themselves if it becomes the social norm or to control others perception of them. That's why if you even call out your own mother she will turn into a "woe is me" drama and try to guilt you.
I think it's men's job to relieve them of this hell they live in. It's why despite what they say, they always want a man of higher status and more dominant than them. So they can finally relax and have them take the reigns/lead. If they don't trust the man they're with, they go into their control overdrive and they destroy their man and impose their nature on the kids which continues the cycle. You'll notice it in any failed or failing relationship, it almost always stems from the man not being strong enough to lead the relationship/family properly that the woman ended up taking over covertly and brought it to it's destruction
>we love our mothers
Why is this always assumed? Maybe you do, but not everyone does.
>Because everything that exists is predetermined,
>t. never heard of hbar or the heisenberg uncertainty principle
protip: delta_x * delta_p >= hbar/2pi
not only is everything NOT predetermined, but there are processes in nature that are truly random.
There is an incomprehensible essence within every thing that is not relative to anything, therefore it is outside the law of causality itself. If one can align themselves with this instead of the relative core that surrounds it, fate can be defied. Most are unconsciously running around on a script ordained by the planets.
Soul is external, the experience depend on the material world and so do most choices you see, but there is a soul that is able to guide the body to a certain degree
Do worms have souls that guide their bodies?
>We have no Freewill
baby's first red pill
You're right but you're going to piss everyone off by saying it. Everything was determined before our reality even existed.
close and ties with it but the final blackpill is realizing that the only thing you truly own or rather "cursed" with is your consciousness. you think you own your own state of mind but in reality it will be stripped from you and you might be forced to live again as a tranny
Also, let's just set aside quantum mechanics etc and look at neuroscience. You makeevery decision unconsciously about a half second before your consciousness "remembers" that you made the decision.
https://neurosciencenews.com/consciousness-theory-21571/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will
Which is why it is important to be mindful and think over your thoughts but not make them your aim.
>be mindful
I can be as mindful as I like (choose), but that choice is not made by my consciousness. With that said, it sure as hell feels like it is and there's no other way for me to live, so I might as well make decisions as if they are indeed the result of conscious free will. Knowing that my free will is an illusion doesn't change anything about the way I make decisions.
"In this world, is the destiny of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like the hand of God hovering above? At least it is true that man has no control; even over his own will."
You can’t prove shit
when you die, all the information you gathered is uploaded to the central computer and you will also be able to access all the rest of the data collected from all the other data points, you being one of them.
It's not a blackpill. Once you understand it you are freed of all regrets - regardless of what you did or failed to do in the past, it was the result of preceding interactions which you had no control over.
wrong, it's not a blackpill because it's easy to disprove.
OP's assertion is that
>we have no free will
>BECAUSE the universe is deterministic
ergo, once you disprove that the universe is deterministic, as i did here
the entire argument is void.
>but, muh hidden variables theory!
it's not a theory if you can't test it.
if you find one of these hidden variables, please let me know and i'll recommend you for the nobel.
At the infinite and at the zero, the universe may not be deterministic, but that is of no consequence to the human mind which is at neither.
The human mind can only respond to the past. All choices and actions are based on the past. Nobody can change the past.
A human can't actually experience the present since there is a lag between what happens and the human's perception/processing of it. These words you've just read are already the past. You will react or not react based on your preceding experiences or instinct, both of which are also in the past, both of which you can't change.
wrong. listen to donald hoffman btfo of sam kike harris on this exact topic. you need to get past his talmudic paywall because he hides discussions that don’t go his way
>we don’t have a working theory of consciousness but we can determine that there is no free will
sorry, that’s incredibly inconsistent. show me a mathematical equation for consciousness that coincides with particle physics. you can’t? sorry kike
Listen to Tom Campbell too
Hell, listen to them both:
100% correct, OP. Everything is based on previous conditions.
Everything at the atomic level(and therefore any level above it) everything is just a chemical reaction.
If you had the time/space to write it the entire universe could be summarized by an equation.
We just have the illusion of free will.
Nothing could have ever happened differently
Free will isnt lack of consequences you retard
Why does it matter? How is the illusion of free will any different from having free will?
>but I'm not choosing to do things or making decisions
Sure you are. Even if it's predetermined, you're still doing it.
>I propose that there is no such thing as life.
Think about it. A bunch of minerals and gases and electricity all acting together with bacteria and proteins. It's absurd. What compels it into action? What force makes all these things work together? Little proteins walking up and down fibrous strands depositing single molecules like slaves until they fall over and get consumed. It's proposterous.
Ok let's test your theroy. Go running in one direction and don't stop. What will stop you? Nothing, you have free will.
You're forgetting the role spirits, such as angels, have in the fate of our world. They are beings beyond space and linear time, they can probably even time travel, if such a thing is real, we know they can at least see the future. If fallen angels never chose to fall then our world would be in a perfect paradisaical state and humans would still have eternal youth and be immortal.
If even the closest thing to you which is your body is acting against your will you was never free as a human at first place
You have complete free will. What you fail to grasp is how each decision you make forms your mind. Every time you utilize your free will, you become less free to make unusual decisions simply because humans are creatures of habit. We use patterns and habit to dictate our decisions because they help us to reach safe and effective outcomes. You are free to start your own nonprofit org but you probably won’t because it’s outside your comfort zone which was created by your own choices.
There is a simple way to prove free will.
Assume that there is no free will, that is, everything is pre-determined. Thus there must be a way to accurately predict the future (there is only a single possible future and we have all of the inputs to calculate it).
However the knowledge of that future directly makes that future invalid, as I can just go "nuh-uh" to whatever it says I'll do. Ergo, that future can't exist so long as humans exist as individual entities.
Ok now my big Kripke fan please be consistent and asume that You know each possible trajectory of the future
Its the past you would need to choose not the future
I don't know what kripke is. If you could determine every possible trajectory of the future, then it's no longer pre-determined. By it's very nature you have multiple potential futures you could take.
The past is obviously deterministic, because you cannot change it and there is no evidence that it's possible to do change it.
You could argue your free will is limited, but that's not really in dispute, it's not like you can do something that's impossible with will alone.
Math was just made up by humans to make us feel smart.
Math is discovered, not made up.
if youre an abrahamic, that is true.
but we're not. but its fun to dunk on israelites and christcucks for being voluntary npcs.
So do I choose to swallow it or not?
can i use this as an excuse to escape being found guilty? are pedophiles into paedophilia because they were per-determined to?
>WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT
>he can't reject or accept god's will
If that is true you are already dead.
If there’s no free will, you have no opinions, therefore you should shit the fuck up.
White people have free will, blacks don't.
If I clear my mind and sit in nothingness how I'm I not free?
do you know the outcome of nothing?
it's impossible for nothing to be predetermined.