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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >But when Aleaume the Clerk saw that none dare enter there, he sprang forward and said that he would go in. Now there was present a knight, his brother, Robert of Clari by name, who forbade him and said that he should by no means go in. And the clerk said that he would do so, and he gat himself in on his hands and feet. And when his brother saw this, he took him by the foot and began to drag him toward himself; but at last, despite his brother, whether his brother would or would not, the clerk went in. And when he was within, a multitude of the Greeks fell upon him, and they that were upon the walls began to cast down great stones at him. When the clerk saw this, he drew his knife and rushed upon them and made them to flee before him like cattle.

    >Then cried he to them that were without, to my Lord Peter and his people, “Sirs, enter boldly! For I see that they are utterly confounded and are fleeing away.”

    >When my Lord Peter heard this he and his people, who were without then did my Lord Peter and his people come in. And there were not more than nine knights with him; nevertheless, there were some three score men at arms with him, and they were all on foot inside the walls.

    >And when they were within and they that were standing upon the walls in that place beheld them, then were these so greatly terrified that they durst not tarry in that place, but abandoned a great portion of the wall and fled, every man for himself.

    >And the Emperor Mourzuphles, the traitor, was very near at hand, less than a stone’s throw away; and he caused his silver trumpets to sound, and his timbrels, and made an exceeding great noise.

    Gayreeks are the most sissified, cowardly people in existence.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What if Norman conquered Constantinople before 1096-1099?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The world would be infinitely better

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Sirs,

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        all the best for lovely morning sirs
        jai shree ram

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If they truly had virtue they would have easily filled the byzantine power vacuum, created the kingdom of outremer and give nonwhite/heathens mercy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >*give no quarter

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Read about Henry of Flanders. They didn't fall because they were too mean to the Greeks (and they were fairly sensible rulers after the sacking, many Greek aristocrats defected to serve the Latins). They fell because they had weak and shitty kings.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      In the reigns of Baldwin, Henry and Peter they did take the dominant stance amongst the successors. To the point Epirus, another claimant, was considered a vassal of the Emperors in Constantinople. Even Nicaea recognized that they could not destroy the Latins but it went both ways and both started to work in cooperation with deeper ties to bound the two together into a single state. Serbia and Hungary both gave their own formal subjugation to the Emperors as a recognition of their claims as the rightful continuum of Byzantium.

      However the dramatic collapse from 1222-1228 was definitely at great fault the Latins own fault. The new Emperor Robert was deemed too pro-Latin by Epirus and they rebelled against their sovereignty taking a massive chunk of the Kingdom of Thessaloniki, who no longer had an able guardian all the while factional strife in the Emperors quarter made sure they weren't going to take action against them. At the same time the far more able Nicaea also made their own campaign. Seeing a sinking ship the large amounts of Byzantine fiefdoms switched loyalty to one of the invading states. 20 years was not long enough to change political culture or build deep ties between the cooperative Latin and Byzantine elites. Robert and his Empire could not cope and it all fell to bits as the Imperial quarter was all but destroyed outside of Thrace. Robert had no ability to control his once stranglehold on his important Latin vassals in Greece, on top of being cut off by Epirus. They went their separate ways at that point

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        People need to realize that it wasn't anywhere near the LATIN VS GREEK racewar like people often think. For example, the Latin Empire and Nicaean Empire engaged in political marriages like two seconds after Constantinople fell.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It's a very strange attitude I think. If I'm correct it largely comes from Runciman and his ideas of the Latin Empire, which he hated. From family lists at the end of 12th century about 50 families were recognized afterwards and some 20 of them worked with the Latins, with the rest spread out amongst the others. So there clearly was a huge local elite support of the new regime. Even the most ardent anti-Latin chronicler Nicetas actually went to find service in the reshuffled Civil Service at Constantinople, and realizing he wouldn't get to his former position he defected.

          Not to mention even the foreign relations with Nicaea, where both parties very much considered a merge of the two states as a real, and even inevitable possibility before the 1220's.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >we will never live in a timeline where the states merged and Saint Louis would launch a crusade to reconquer Anatolia instead of getting assfricked in Egypt

            Vvvvgh….what could have been

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            On paper, shipping troops to Egypt campaign wasn’t very bad idea. It fourth crusader original goal after all. Even the lionheart king plan ahead as well before.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The leaders of the Third Crusade (at least the ones in the Holy Land) were pretty adamant about going to Egypt. The problem being their soldiers didn't care for it. Richard even made an attempt to move his army to Egypt, his soldiers found out and refused to go. They only saw the city of Jerusalem and the Kingdom as what was worth fighting for, not the greater strategic thoughts of it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >They only saw the city of Jerusalem and the Kingdom as what was worth fighting for, not the greater strategic thoughts of it.
            >praying for huge victory but can’t hold kingdom of Christ
            Irony…

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >his soldiers found out and refused to go.
            >"I do not fear an army of lions led by a lamb. I do fear an army of sheep led by a lion." - Alexander III of greater Macedon

            Same energy.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It may not have been a bad idea but it certainly always turned into a shitshow everytime an army ventured south. Ironically Louis’ army would have fared better in a field battle against the Turks thanks to his huge crossbow corps, rather than getting bogged down in the marshes and irrigation ditches of the Nile.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >latin empire ruled by de-hautevilles
    VVVVVGH

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why must real history be so dissapointing?

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Cumans centaur, Slav werewolf, Roma vampire: say knock knock

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      More like Turk Steppenwolf

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How was life for Orthodox Christians there? And did the Empire attempt to convert any part of the people?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      bump

      kneel romanshits

      Based

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The empire did attempt to convert some people, mainly initially, by converting churches and trying to get priests to conform to Rome (or just bringing over western priests since you know that’s easier). However in the vast majority of cases really not much changed, generally a live and let live policy. Sometimes orthodox churches were taxed heavier or there were restrictions, sometimes there weren’t. There was no uniform policy and it was a gradient between different Frankish rulers.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Did the Latin Empire leave any thrace after Byzantum was restored? Like any legacy, any buildings, churches, statues and so on.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This empire was beyond moronic and all but guaranteed Asia minor would no longer be white.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      brainlet opinion

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    kneel romanshits

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They would be kino if they actually could pose a threat to the bulgars but
      happened so no. Atleast the other crusader states could win fights on their own once they were established.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        good

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No, a wikipedia page covering all wars they ever had with each other does not actually represent certain periods of time.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Why were bulgars so consistently good at warfare?

        They seem to have impeccable moral and tactics, something that cannot be only explained by byzzie and latin incompetence. And it can’t be home turf advantage either, not outside of ambushes.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Genetics and destiny

          More seriously: it seems that they weren't that strong, just that their enemies were weaker

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Still find it weird how they would thrash byzantine field armies even on open field battles. It just seems the byzantine infantry was complete and utter junk for some reason

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That's an overgeneralization to say the least

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Well, we had our moments, but it wasn't anything inhuman, the Golden Horde trashed us, the Byzantines subjugated us for ~150 years and later the Turks conquered us with little resistance.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Cringe.

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