Hovering over your own personal digital fiefdom can become someone's entire personal worth. They will live for the digital admiration/respect they receive. When that is threatened, of course they lash out offensively in defense.
Spergs and control freaks are naturally attracted to these areas.
This is why I don't work with other cunts, I'd fucking end them. In Minecraft.
I hate retarded people. So much.
Talking politics instead of code is how you get agendas pushed without being capable of writing code. Politicking is as much of project management as making a good project.
Autists don't realize it which is how they get saddled with shit like a CoC written by feminists who can't code but want to shame the men who do.
Being too connected to the internet, spending too much time socializing terminal-to-terminal instead of face-to-face, breeds weirdness that can fester into major mental disarray.
There is too often a charged characteristic to posting that leaves many unnecessarily combative, leaving all involved angry and miserable.
Ebussi is weird because he's mostly a power-tripping control freak for the sake of it, but this occasionally leads to situations where his convictions are justified. He has an admirable goal of "less is more" but he has taken it too far in most ways, and not far enough in others; leaving serious bugs unfixed, bloating GNOME with a dependency(iirc?) that no other distro is compatible with, forcing other distros to bend to GNOME's arbitrary standards, etc.
If they make it too functional and actually usable, there would be people reporting bugs, which would mean work. So they make it unusable by design so people go away.
What the fuck is he talking about? Sure, if your sandbox doesn't let you load files then it can't support a playlist, but then your environment sucks and nobody should use it. Why do software people insist on making their products bad?
When you make an application you get to leave out features you don't want to make, but you don't get to tell people they shouldn't want that feature without being an ass. He could've just ignored it.
he could just say that instead of making excuses. also, I'm not sure if it's a gnome app but if it is, well it's kind of normal for people to complain about a simple feature if you willingly you push for your app to be used by millions.
He just said they're not supported, he didn't say it shouldn't have it. The big that was created was about not being able to open m3u files. That is not a bug because it's not a supported action.
If he wanted support he should either open a pull request or do a feature request.
he could just say that instead of making excuses. also, I'm not sure if it's a gnome app but if it is, well it's kind of normal for people to complain about a simple feature if you willingly you push for your app to be used by millions.
I don't even understand what this sandbox crap is about. since when do random gnome apps have a "sandbox"? also, how is a playlist feature hindered by such a sandbox..? what is the sandbox doing that it can play 1 song in a playlist of 1 and but not 1 song in a playlist of N?
GNOME has fully embraced flatpak so all their software is available through it and conforms to flatpak's security systems. Including bwrap, flatpak's sandboxing solution.
So the anon you're replying to is wondering why instead of using bwrap it isn't using bwrap. And for your information, the sandbox isn't part of the program, it's external. And the program can access files through portals, making it so that apps can only access files when the user explicitly requests it.
holy shit. the flatpak brainrot is here. Its now impossible for sandboxfags to write software that reads more than a single file at once, because the user has to select every fucking file he wants to pass into the sandbox. But they aren't even permanent, so you can't even show a "last used files" overview.
flatpak and snap with portals are going to be the downfall of the linux desktop.
>flatpak and snap with portals are going to be the downfall of the linux desktop.
these useless retarded simpletons only have themselves to blame. eg: > dependencies are bloat and sheeiit
>the user has to select every fucking file
You can select entire folders with all of their contents, e.g. your entire music library.
Also, in the case of a music player, you should likely add --filesystem=xdg-music:ro as a permanent permission anyway. >you can't even show a "last used files" overview
Sure you can, in the portal's file chooser.
>You can select entire folders with all of their contents, e.g. your entire music library. >his music files aren't scattered in 4 different directories on 3 separate block devices and an NFS mount
I've got no use for GNOME shit, I've never even seen whatever project this is. I just play my music with
$ mplayer -vo null -shuffle -loop 0 path/to/files_1/*.mp3 path/to/files_2/*.webm path/to/files_3/*.wav ...
If playlists are not rocket science, then why did that norweigan retard work on his radio player for 29 years? >https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/amberol/-/issues/358#note_1914971
In highschool school PHP was the only thing I knew so I used it in a script that created m3us for every subfolder in my music collection. 12 years later I made a Python script that would do the same but as input for my gstreamer-based player. This was almost 10years behind me and I can't understand whats so complicated about it.
they're not. ever increasing amount of people have been losing their shit at ebussy because the fat retard simply refuses to do things his way, not that they can't be done.
boibussy is based.
Playlists should not exist in music players. I hate playlists.
If it's his project, he should be free to reject the feature. That said, why are gnome devs always so angry at each other?
>Playlists should not exist in music players.
Playlists are the most important feature. Any player can poop out sound from any format. The good ones have good playlist features.
>and the German Government >The GNOME Foundation is thrilled to announce the GNOME project is receiving €1M from the Sovereign Tech Fund to modernize the platform, improve tooling and accessibility, and support features that are in the public interest.
https://foundation.gnome.org/2023/11/09/gnome-recognized-as-public-interest-infrastructure/
Scheiße!
>assuming you're able to do so, given that all your projects are basic Ul laid out in 5 minutes and doing little to nothing
Kek, describes perfectly 90% of LULZ. So this is why you hate him so much, because he actually knows programming unlike you whining retards.
He's responsible for nearly half of the bad decisions in the gnome project and they won't kick the fucker out.
Most of us don't use gnome because of the retarded shit proposed by that imbecile.
One reason is that qt or gtk themes won't be broken. Yes I have qtc5 and kvantum or whatever but still there's breakage, sure skill issue whatever you say Nancy
Because I want a vague semblance of a system where things work together instead of a jumbled collection of applications where everything is so secure or nonfunctional that nothing can load anything else
I don't know how ebussy keeps his job. This is literally his job, and he's fucking terrible at it. No wonder GNOME is in such a weird fucked up place. It's become this ultra-corporate lowest common denominator DE for hypothetical people who don't actually exist.
It's own relevance is that it's "the default" for historical, political and corporate reasons.
>coherent design language
what does that even mean?
stop acting like a retard, you know what I mean
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adwaita_(design_language)
https://developer.gnome.org/hig/
while I'm no huge fan of gnome functionally, it's clear they've put a lot of effort into design and their HIG compared to other DEs, and it shows. compare it to say, KDE, which is nice but full of inconsistencies
Totally spooked cope. Not only is "Adwaita" bad, it's just a distraction from the criticism that GNOME is just bad, GTK is just bad. Oh but my "design language", which no one actually likes (they're wrong because they're not "normal users"). GNOME devs straight up admit they make up fictional people in their head to justify why they remove features or make things worse, for muh "design language".
You can't measure a "design language" because it isn't real.
This is what I'm talking about, it's all this appeals to hypothetical people. Your actual *users* are telling you it's bad, but no, they're wrong, because hypothetical fictional person. You just don't understand my design language, chud :^)
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>because hypothetical fictional person
Are you talking about the gnome dev admitting this?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes, but GNOME has a long history of trying justify their decisions based on such thinking. Meanwhile they ignore the basics, with their heads in the clouds over "design language" while don't even have a thumbnail generation API, or good font rendering. Things that are objectively meaningful, for everyone, not just the anti-feature design language circlejerk.
Meaningless BS to justify lack of features. Gnome doesn't even have a fucking clipboard lmfao. Yeah, that's very humane experience. KYS. The only consistency Gnome shit has is lack of features. No option in their nautilus crap to jump to the file whose name starts with the pressed letter, it just searches the whole directory instead. Utter piece of shit.
GNOME might have put more effort into it but it's still design gore. Who the fuck places confirmation/cancel buttons in the title bar? Also stuff like a search bar in the title bar, it's a mess. Trying to drag the window around but nope, can't do that if you accidentally hit one of the dozen elements placed on it.
their design philosophy is just shove everything in the title bar
I complained about this once to a gnomie shill and he just kept repeating that it's the future and that others will do it too.
Imagine putting the Confirmation button of a dialog where in other casees the X is, that does the opposite
learn to use the de
you can move any window around from anywhere by holding down the super key before you click
this is a way better use of your screen space than just a big thick bar on top of every app just for some small text
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Bro, the titlebars on GNOME are larger than an ordinary titlebar + menu on other DEs.
That is really not space efficient. It is also inconsistent.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
not relevant, because the titlebars are not just whitespace but also serve a purpose.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>needing to use two peripherals at the same time to use a window
wow, so this is the power of user friendly design
Windows makes billions of dollars a year and has three different control panels from different decades. Nobody cares about consistency. I want my desktop to run my programs to do what I want to do.
Passive aggressive filename based insults is peak FOSS. Everyone who gives code away for free to be taken over by tin pot dictators gets what they deserve.
someone knows why amberol sees "unknown title / artist" even though it's on the file name
any way to edit that?
I ask because too lazy to check just in case it's obvious
Wait a minute. Ebussy said that you don't want to adjust volume in the music app, you want to adjust it in OS audio settings. Because of that Totem doesn't have the volume slider. But why the fuck this player has the volume slider then?
>for GNOME
Do I understand correctly that on desktop Linux, GUI programs basically need to be written either "for GNOME/gtk" or "for KDE/Qt"? And that you can more or less run programs written for one while using a DE that uses the other, but it's a bit janky/visually inconsistent/generally not ideal... to the point where people write new software where the only "selling" point over existing options is that it uses the other toolkit?
That seems... very suboptimal. Kind of like the win32 vs UWP split on Windows, except everyone other than MS realised that UWP was a terrible idea.
GTK and Qt are not interoperable. But the former is indisputably worse to deal with, both from an user and developer standpoint. It'd be best if it just disappeared, honestly. Qt may have licensing problems with a patent troll tier company holding the IP and investing into dead ends, but you can at the very least develop competent software with it. GIMP, originally GTK original piece of software, is pretty much unusable due to its limitations.
>another GNOME thread
fuck off, buy an add, kill yourself homosexual, etc.
seriously, I'm tired of every day anti-GNOME and pro-GNOME spam. I just don't care about their desktop environment
rhythmbox is the only music player in existence.
t. MPD user of 16 years who has never used rhythmbox.
(Me) it's a long list of reasons that has a lot of history, like I said, it's been over 16 years). for reasons I don't totally remember now but back then I used to restart X really often (maybe to update configurations) or drop to a VT or something like that. MPD allowed me to play music uninterrupted no matter where I was on my system and regardless of whether a GUI was running. this was one big reason for me. before MPD I used XMMS. the other reasons was that the MPD protocol was easy to use and it allowed me to interact with it programmatically in a very straightforward way. the other reason is that MPD being a networked service it's very easy to control it remotely so my computer doubled as a stereo for my home. the other reason is democratization of user interface. there are a lot of choices and, as you mentioned, CLI interfaces are also available. long story short, MPD is very flexible.
I suppose there is another reason: MPD is also stable. the software is reliable but it also hasn't really changed at all since I've started using it. for example, case in point.. see
So now how many music applications are there for GNOME? >Amberol >GNOME Music >Lollypop >Rhythmbox
. XMMS also basically died. once you use MPD you really never need another music player. I've regularly tried out new music players but I always come back to MPD in the end. eye candy is nice but realistically I just need it to play audio.
>MPD
https://www.musicpd.org/ >Music Player Daemon (MPD)
>What's even so great about mpd
It works quite well without any significant issues, uses minimal system resources and has decent UIs available. Other media players I've tried often don't support even the basic features it does (e.g. folder-based library view, the ability to play arbitrary files on your disk) and when they do, they tend to come with atrocious UX.
No thumbnails
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/233
Can't jump to a specific file >Yes: we don't want typeahead. It's dead. It's pining for the fjords. It's an ex parrot.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/839
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/244
Can't search for files with spaces
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/616
Blurry text >What makes you think that sharpness is a metric?
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/3787
Can't sort search results >this feature existed in the previous version, we decided to remove it and now we lack human power to code it
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/374
No volume control >Why do you think a volume control is necessary?
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-music/-/issues/343
Slow single threaded file manager
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/856
Missing transparency effect >Nobody has ever been able to explain to me why transparency would be an essential feature
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695371
No decent indicator for unseen notifications
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/3631
>No volume control >https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-music/-/issues/343 >>I sincerely believe that in-app volume control is counter-intuitive and actively harmful from my experience as a user. >>When there is volume control in the app in front of you, it is too easy to reach out and use it.
kek lmao no way
I agree with that though. There should be one place to control volume, which is in the top right menu.
Android and IOS have done this since forever, yet no one has complained about that
phones and tablets have dedicated buttons for volume adjustment which can be used easily everywhere.
computers usually don't. and having to move
out of your program to the OS controls just to adjust the volume is bad design. especially if your program has controls for everything else regarding the playback of media.
>and having to move out of your program to the OS controls just to adjust the volume is bad design.
Why? Just because you said it is? I'd say that having one location for all volume control is good design. For example, usually you will start music playing then use a different program while the music is playing in the background. If you needed to drop the volume for some reason, it's easier to go to one place where all volume control is, to adjust that instead of navigating back to the music program. >phones and tablets have dedicated buttons for volume adjustment
Every keyboard that I've used has volume and media controls.
>Every keyboard that I've used has volume and media controls.
That's very hit and miss. This keyboard doesn't have any, but the fact that you don't use it means that you simply assume they all have them? You're just insulated in your own little bubble.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you don't have dedicated media keys it's trivial to bind shortcuts for media controls.
>I'd say that having one location for all volume control is good design
It's such amazingly good design that when you have multiple browser tabs playing sound and go to the system volume mixer, you have to wonder if the youtube tab is the Firefox #1 or the Firefox #4.
Application window don't map to the mixxer. An application can have multiple audio stream and the same application can be open in different instances playing audio.
In those cases, the system wide mixer is just shit to use.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It would be one audio control per application. One knob for Firefox, regardless of how many tabs or windows there are. Web browsers are an interesting case because of how diverse they are, but I'd say using the YouTube volume control is reasonable even though it seems to go against what I have said before.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I saw many feature requests over time that were about moving volume controls into i.e. the task bar, or the context menu of the title bar.
Because it would be incredibly handy.
Nobody likes to go to the system volume mixer to find the application in the list, if there is already an application list (task bar) or another way to point at the application (the window itself).
System volume mixers are always very bad to interact with.
It's the same on Windows and Mac doesn't even try.
Phones don't allow to set volume per app,except if the app itself includes a volume control.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Nobody likes to go to the system volume mixer to find the application in the list
So the question is, it is a bad idea of has it just never been done well?
I really don't know, I just find these sorts of conversations interesting.
In my head, I think that one place to adjust volume for everything is useful. It means volume control is always in the same place and always looks the same.
You can never be quite sure where in app volume control might be, because it depends on the developer.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Plasma 6 is doing it now.
And it does exactly what you suggested. It changes the volume of all streams of the application. In the case of a browser with multiple tabs playing audio, it will change all of them.
KDE chads win again.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So when is this going to be added in GNOME, 2050?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
And here what happens when the different audio streams of an application are on different levels.
The volume slider keeps it in the same ratio.
So when is this going to be added in GNOME, 2050?
afaik GNOME is thinking about doing the Android thing and grouping all applications under one slider and system notifications under a different one.
They committed fully to the system volume mixer and don't want you to control volume anywhere else.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What the fuck are they thinking?
You can only control the sound of the entire system from the tray, the actual mixer is hidden in the settings app, and I do mean hidden because not only do you have to open Settings and go to the Audio menu (can be reasonably done directly through the tray at leasy), open a closed menu, and THEN manage the open applications' volumes
I still like GNOME's overall design philosophy and workflow, but removing features and forgetting to include good replacements for them is such a consistent problem in GNOME it concerns me
We still don't have a working background applications tray since they removed the existing one, the one we got is poorly implemented and only supports flatpak programs
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They designed it that way. Looking at the actual design mockups show they don't care for per application audio volume.
Imagine using Gnome
Imagine being on version 45 of a software and being so shit at maintaining features that you still only accept "essential" features
The worst part is this would be ported into good DEs like XFCE if it weren't for the project having the foresight to tell them to fuck themselves and use Thunar
I've spent an hour searching through these issues because I refuse to believe they're as simple as "We don't let you type spaces in the search bar because it's too big of a hassle"
and no shitting
it really is as simple as >We don't think users should want to make files with spaces in them, search without spaces and the tokenization will find them anyway
Actually and unironically my mind is blown this is the attitude of a modern software developer who still has a job
What if I didn't make connectivity for any of my applications because "It's in my opinion you can drag and drop any files the app needs to interact with and there's no reason for it to communicate outwards for anything", I'd lose my fucking job
>I've spent an hour searching through these issues because I refuse to believe they're as simple as "We don't let you type spaces in the search bar because it's too big of a hassle"
This one doesn't sound like a bug to me:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/616#note_596235
If they are in fact splitting the search term by space as a delimiter then it makes sense. They could special-case space but then that'd probably come with a considerable performance trade-off.
You literally cannot search for files that have two spaces in them because of this braindead retarded decision
"performance trade off" people want to find their fucking files. Having space be exclusive to file selection and hoping people just get the hint and use fuzzy finding for everything is absurd.
returning permission denied or file not found is always an available option if you do not feel comfortable implementing the entire m3u specification. all systems expect any variety of failures and these two are some of the most basic variety of errors.
the excuse you're presenting is lazy, naive, unintelligent, unimaginative and befitting only of unenterprising negros.
Hello ebussi >can point to files on remote servers and HLS live streams
So that's just HTTP requests? HLS isn't a too complicated spec to follow and you can expect HTTP/1.1 fallback from 100% of the services… >multiple optional extensions >optional
[...]
returning permission denied or file not found is always an available option if you do not feel comfortable implementing the entire m3u specification. all systems expect any variety of failures and these two are some of the most basic variety of errors.
the excuse you're presenting is lazy, naive, unintelligent, unimaginative and befitting only of unenterprising negros.
Also this holy fuck >inb4 but thats half assing it
Gnomed.
bro ebasedi's aryan stare is fucking kino. also why do so many linux devs have neckbeards in 2023? i got recommended some gay brody youtuber that has no beard on the face and just a massive neckbeard kek
> just makes shit up
if you think m3u is complex then you are a poorly educated coon that should be nowhere near anything that has a cpu in it. my god you are fucking stupid. is that you, ebussy? you are straight up fucking retarded, son. mongoloid in appearance with the intelligence of roadkill.
I fucking hate the trend to package applications "in a sandbox".
I isolate my applications, when the situation warrants, with iptables rules and setgid bits. Or by launching them in a separate VM with a special bridge network configuration. It's not something every application needs to be programed around.
You do it for like one or two things, at most.
What a autistic homosexual. Amberol is perfect and needs no additions to the code. Ole needs to find himself another audio player and stop being a stan.
>Ole needs to find himself another audio player and stop being a stan.
why even reinvent the wheel all the fucking time when vlc exists and it's better than anything these homosexuals will ever write...
I've been using vlc as an audio player for nearly 2 decades at this point and I've never had any issues with it...
>the closed source OS that has been accumulating spaghetti code for the past 30+ years is still more coherent and usable than anything corporate open source has ever managed
if you guys hate this retard so much, then why don't you do something about him?
here, have some info: https://www.bassi.io/theme/
guess which version of debian he's running as his server.
it's amazing how easily shitskin bug eater with a terrible English accent can gain 20k subscribers by simply spamming his garbage-tier content all around the internet for several years
> gets btfo
really is this simple to understand why this fat malding failure has managed to make gnome this fucking shit: vastly incompetent. having to make up a fantasy lie about m3u being "complex" should be enough to wake people up to how dangerously incompetent this hack is as a programmer.
>caring about biching nerds and fatties
why should I waste time on this specific topic? It is not like gnome did not have other issues. Thanks to the fact that it used to be very important for desktop unix 15 years ago, there is still some relevance to this thing, so why bother with a fatty and a nerd having a personal fight?
>I sincerely believe that in-app volume control is counter-intuitive and actively harmful from my experience as a user. >When there is volume control in the app in front of you, it is too easy to reach out and use it. >However, once I select some music to play, I usually switch to other activities. At that moment, I would not have the Music application in front of me, so, wanting to change the volume, I would use my keyboard media keys or reach the device volume control slider, which is available from the top panel of the GNOME Shell. So, for example, if I dial down the music player but then decide that I want the volume up and dial it up for the whole device, I would eventually end up shocked by a system notification or some other sound at a volume too high than expected. It is even worse when using a Bluetooth headset. When you are away from your computer, e.g. doing housework, you do not have any visual feedback when changing the volume level with the volume buttons on the headset. So, it is even easier to set the notifications volume too high when you previously dialled down the music player. >A quality music library should not require you to fiddle with controls instead of listening. It is a reasonable expectation.
Kafkaesque
I half agree with this >So, for example, if I dial down the music player but then decide that I want the volume up and dial it up for the whole device
This shouldn't happen. Volume controls on media keys or headsets should control the volume of the currently playing program. If I press the volume down key while listening to music, it should lower the volume for the music program. The top panel for the gnome Shell should have a separate volume slider for each program that is out putting sound, like pic rel.
If you watch anyone using windows, they always go to that bottom right sound menu to adjust individual volumes.
That's reasonable, although things would fall apart if you happen to have 2 different programs that plays audio. Then pressing Vol Up key affects which program? Should it only affect the program that is currently playing sound (and it's the only one)? What if I press the Vol Up key the moment the notification pings, will that increase only the volume of the notifications?
>Should it only affect the program that is currently playing sound
Yes, that's what I said in my post. There would be a problem if you had two programs playing sound at the same time (have music player open and Firefox playing rain sounds) but realistically there is no way to work this out perfectly when you have one set of volume keys. The computer can't read your mind.
Android has all media bound to the same volume slider, but then what if one program had more gain than the other?
I'd say that the priority should go to the last program interacted with or the last media stream that was started. As long as it's consistent. >What if I press the Vol Up key the moment the notification pings
Interesting case. I'd say that volume keys should never change the notification volume as it's impossible to purposely increase the notification volume by timing it for when a notification happens. There's no reason for the user to want that behaviour. It's annoying to have a special exception but necessary
I don't use a shitty DE like GNOME, I have no reason to fork GNOME. I'm just making an observation that people tend to hate GNOME and its maintainers actively hold it back.
It's been done too, didn't work either red hat started making smear campaigns against the people doing it, that's why ubuntu stopped contributing patches to gtk and popos went with ice
I think gnome has good defaults if you're willing to do things the gnome way.
If you want it to feel more like windows then Ubuntu has very good gnome defaults.
why do people get so petty with code projects. just be honest and talk about the code, god fucking damnit.
GNOME is a wild place
Clout and recognition are the only things you get if you work for free so freetarded spergs try to hold onto it desperately.
>they do it for free
imagine that
事実
Hovering over your own personal digital fiefdom can become someone's entire personal worth. They will live for the digital admiration/respect they receive. When that is threatened, of course they lash out offensively in defense.
you're not that guy lil bro
i'm starting to think money might be a good way to steer labor after all
what did you expect from people that work on open source projects other than crippling autism?
they are even worse in their private lives usually
The ebussy wouldn't get wet by himself
Spergs and control freaks are naturally attracted to these areas.
This is why I don't work with other cunts, I'd fucking end them. In Minecraft.
I hate retarded people. So much.
Talking politics instead of code is how you get agendas pushed without being capable of writing code. Politicking is as much of project management as making a good project.
Autists don't realize it which is how they get saddled with shit like a CoC written by feminists who can't code but want to shame the men who do.
Being too connected to the internet, spending too much time socializing terminal-to-terminal instead of face-to-face, breeds weirdness that can fester into major mental disarray.
There is too often a charged characteristic to posting that leaves many unnecessarily combative, leaving all involved angry and miserable.
>why do autists behave like autists
Shit's Bassin'
whats this deleting files business about
a little unpleasantness between our boy ebassi and a mindbroken norwegian fizzbuzzer. of course, ebassi emerged victorious and he is still seething.
Wtf ebussy based?
always been
Ebussi is weird because he's mostly a power-tripping control freak for the sake of it, but this occasionally leads to situations where his convictions are justified. He has an admirable goal of "less is more" but he has taken it too far in most ways, and not far enough in others; leaving serious bugs unfixed, bloating GNOME with a dependency(iirc?) that no other distro is compatible with, forcing other distros to bend to GNOME's arbitrary standards, etc.
Said the sperg who had a meltdown and got blocked over some dumb function that only autists care about....
Who, Ebussi?
>admirable goal of "less is more"
You're obsessed with this ugly little GNOME dev
Nobara switched to kde, therefore I switched to kde.
kde is a joke. just when they fix it and is ok to use they scrap it and start all over again.
Why do you need a desktop environment? Are you a newb? Just use a window manager like a regular adult.
i dont. just sayin.
Please understand, playlist are spaceship rocket tier technology, it's too hard to implement for mere mortals like GNOME devs.
I used playlists on another flatpak music player perfectly fine
Now revoke full filesystem access permissions and try again.
I gave it access to my library through flatseal, that's all it needed
>Break it on purpose and try again.
Yeah. No shit retard. Truly a genius.
>no its too hard for me to program support for it
>*issue closed*
lmao what a joke he is
If they make it too functional and actually usable, there would be people reporting bugs, which would mean work. So they make it unusable by design so people go away.
You're onto something
What the fuck is he talking about? Sure, if your sandbox doesn't let you load files then it can't support a playlist, but then your environment sucks and nobody should use it. Why do software people insist on making their products bad?
>music player without playlists
kek
he just doesn't want to support playlists in his music player
wha'ts so wrong about that?
When you make an application you get to leave out features you don't want to make, but you don't get to tell people they shouldn't want that feature without being an ass. He could've just ignored it.
He just said they're not supported, he didn't say it shouldn't have it. The big that was created was about not being able to open m3u files. That is not a bug because it's not a supported action.
If he wanted support he should either open a pull request or do a feature request.
he could just say that instead of making excuses. also, I'm not sure if it's a gnome app but if it is, well it's kind of normal for people to complain about a simple feature if you willingly you push for your app to be used by millions.
>These are the people that want you to pay for the shit they write
why the fuck would you want your music player to have a built-in sandbox instead of sandboxing it with a separate tool like bwrap
I don't even understand what this sandbox crap is about. since when do random gnome apps have a "sandbox"? also, how is a playlist feature hindered by such a sandbox..? what is the sandbox doing that it can play 1 song in a playlist of 1 and but not 1 song in a playlist of N?
>I don't even understand what this sandbox crap is about
It's the cost of letting mentally ill people develop your software
GNOME has fully embraced flatpak so all their software is available through it and conforms to flatpak's security systems. Including bwrap, flatpak's sandboxing solution.
So the anon you're replying to is wondering why instead of using bwrap it isn't using bwrap. And for your information, the sandbox isn't part of the program, it's external. And the program can access files through portals, making it so that apps can only access files when the user explicitly requests it.
>Playlists are complicated to support within a sandboxed environment
What the fuck am I even reading...
the absolute state of Linux developer
holy shit. the flatpak brainrot is here. Its now impossible for sandboxfags to write software that reads more than a single file at once, because the user has to select every fucking file he wants to pass into the sandbox. But they aren't even permanent, so you can't even show a "last used files" overview.
flatpak and snap with portals are going to be the downfall of the linux desktop.
>flatpak and snap with portals are going to be the downfall of the linux desktop.
these useless retarded simpletons only have themselves to blame. eg:
> dependencies are bloat and sheeiit
>the user has to select every fucking file
You can select entire folders with all of their contents, e.g. your entire music library.
Also, in the case of a music player, you should likely add --filesystem=xdg-music:ro as a permanent permission anyway.
>you can't even show a "last used files" overview
Sure you can, in the portal's file chooser.
>You can select entire folders with all of their contents, e.g. your entire music library.
>his music files aren't scattered in 4 different directories on 3 separate block devices and an NFS mount
I've got no use for GNOME shit, I've never even seen whatever project this is. I just play my music with
$ mplayer -vo null -shuffle -loop 0 path/to/files_1/*.mp3 path/to/files_2/*.webm path/to/files_3/*.wav ...
Sandboxing or not, that sounds like a messy and miserable system with little organization.
Organization is for people who can't into find(1).
based. just throw an ncurses gui on it and call it moc.
>mplayer
>not mpv
>>you can't even show a "last used files" overview
>Sure you can, in the portal's file chooser.
So you can't. Got it.
Literally none of that is true retard. You simply need to add the filesystem permission to your flatpak application. Wow. Now it works. So hard.
If playlists are not rocket science, then why did that norweigan retard work on his radio player for 29 years?
>https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/amberol/-/issues/358#note_1914971
jesus christ what a buckbroken homosexual. how long til he troons out?
>
In highschool school PHP was the only thing I knew so I used it in a script that created m3us for every subfolder in my music collection. 12 years later I made a Python script that would do the same but as input for my gstreamer-based player. This was almost 10years behind me and I can't understand whats so complicated about it.
>can't make playlists
>can't make links to remote servers
>can't make recently played files
wow
this
is the power
of linux
The absolute fuck? How do people cope that this is okay?
they're not. ever increasing amount of people have been losing their shit at ebussy because the fat retard simply refuses to do things his way, not that they can't be done.
the total and absolute state of linux "desktops" fucking KEK and also LMAO
linux on the desktop 2003+20
they're fucking regressing it's amazing
I have no idea what's going on, but Bussi is a fun name to make fun of, so I guess I'm against him.
boibussy is based.
Playlists should not exist in music players. I hate playlists.
If it's his project, he should be free to reject the feature. That said, why are gnome devs always so angry at each other?
>why are gnome devs always so angry at each other?
They lost the war. Haven't you played WoW? They never got their city back
>Playlists should not exist in music players.
Playlists are the most important feature. Any player can poop out sound from any format. The good ones have good playlist features.
KEK
LOCK IT LOCK IT NOW
I hope gnome implodes. Despite all the money they get from IBM, Microsoft and the German Government
what they do to linux community is exactly the reason they get all the money. They support GNOME on propagating active hate towards their users
>and the German Government
>The GNOME Foundation is thrilled to announce the GNOME project is receiving €1M from the Sovereign Tech Fund to modernize the platform, improve tooling and accessibility, and support features that are in the public interest.
https://foundation.gnome.org/2023/11/09/gnome-recognized-as-public-interest-infrastructure/
Scheiße!
I blame the ~~*green party*~~, they're very CIA adjacent
>and the German Government
i knew it.
my spider sense never fails me.
>obnoxious German Government
vs
>private German companies like OpenSuse
I think I know which one I'm picking.
Why did Germany even sponsor Gnome when KDE is literally based in Germany?
>assuming you're able to do so, given that all your projects are basic Ul laid out in 5 minutes and doing little to nothing
Kek, describes perfectly 90% of LULZ. So this is why you hate him so much, because he actually knows programming unlike you whining retards.
oh its that fat fuck again
Why does LULZ keep posting this gnome dev, does he have the tisms?
He's responsible for nearly half of the bad decisions in the gnome project and they won't kick the fucker out.
Most of us don't use gnome because of the retarded shit proposed by that imbecile.
this is fucking pathetic. removed a hardcoded sound for the memez and no change to let you use a custom sound
I don't understand this image. If you have nothing constructive to add to this thread then please don't.
if you want to be a homosexual complaining about "muh constructiveness" then go back to plebbit
This issue is getting a bit heated. I recommend slowing down.
literally me
>and I don't plan on participating in your delusions.
My mind immediately added "enjoy prison, stalker"
So what are some good DEs?
None. Linux should only be installed on servers and accessed remotely thought the commandline.
Dumb clients are the future, but it will all be Windows on 5G devices.
tmux
KDE
icewm
I do not understand why anyone would want to use a DE instead of a WM
The only thing desktop environments do is create an awful dependency hell
One reason is that qt or gtk themes won't be broken. Yes I have qtc5 and kvantum or whatever but still there's breakage, sure skill issue whatever you say Nancy
Because I want a vague semblance of a system where things work together instead of a jumbled collection of applications where everything is so secure or nonfunctional that nothing can load anything else
KDE and XFCE are pretty decent. But honestly, I just use i3.
Windows Explorer and Aqua
ones that don't use GTK
Cinnamon.
unironically gnome
XFCE is all you need.
kde plasma6
I don't know how ebussy keeps his job. This is literally his job, and he's fucking terrible at it. No wonder GNOME is in such a weird fucked up place. It's become this ultra-corporate lowest common denominator DE for hypothetical people who don't actually exist.
It's own relevance is that it's "the default" for historical, political and corporate reasons.
It's the only DE with a coherent design language, (apart from elementary, but that's partly based on GNOME.)
>coherent design language
meaningless statement
stop acting like a retard, you know what I mean
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adwaita_(design_language)
https://developer.gnome.org/hig/
while I'm no huge fan of gnome functionally, it's clear they've put a lot of effort into design and their HIG compared to other DEs, and it shows. compare it to say, KDE, which is nice but full of inconsistencies
>phoneposter
opinion discarded
cope
i'm posting from my KurobaEx
I also have soys and ongezelligs on my phone btw
not surprising
Totally spooked cope. Not only is "Adwaita" bad, it's just a distraction from the criticism that GNOME is just bad, GTK is just bad. Oh but my "design language", which no one actually likes (they're wrong because they're not "normal users"). GNOME devs straight up admit they make up fictional people in their head to justify why they remove features or make things worse, for muh "design language".
You can't measure a "design language" because it isn't real.
>le bad
>le bad
>le bad
>no one actually likes
This is what I'm talking about, it's all this appeals to hypothetical people. Your actual *users* are telling you it's bad, but no, they're wrong, because hypothetical fictional person. You just don't understand my design language, chud :^)
>because hypothetical fictional person
Are you talking about the gnome dev admitting this?
yes, but GNOME has a long history of trying justify their decisions based on such thinking. Meanwhile they ignore the basics, with their heads in the clouds over "design language" while don't even have a thumbnail generation API, or good font rendering. Things that are objectively meaningful, for everyone, not just the anti-feature design language circlejerk.
>theme variants are now languages
Guess I'm a poliglot now, I speak Arial, Calibri, Comic Sans and Times New Roman.
Meaningless BS to justify lack of features. Gnome doesn't even have a fucking clipboard lmfao. Yeah, that's very humane experience. KYS. The only consistency Gnome shit has is lack of features. No option in their nautilus crap to jump to the file whose name starts with the pressed letter, it just searches the whole directory instead. Utter piece of shit.
According to the GNOME ethos, you're just holding it wrong.
GNOME might have put more effort into it but it's still design gore. Who the fuck places confirmation/cancel buttons in the title bar? Also stuff like a search bar in the title bar, it's a mess. Trying to drag the window around but nope, can't do that if you accidentally hit one of the dozen elements placed on it.
their design philosophy is just shove everything in the title bar
I complained about this once to a gnomie shill and he just kept repeating that it's the future and that others will do it too.
Imagine putting the Confirmation button of a dialog where in other casees the X is, that does the opposite
learn to use the de
you can move any window around from anywhere by holding down the super key before you click
this is a way better use of your screen space than just a big thick bar on top of every app just for some small text
Bro, the titlebars on GNOME are larger than an ordinary titlebar + menu on other DEs.
That is really not space efficient. It is also inconsistent.
not relevant, because the titlebars are not just whitespace but also serve a purpose.
>needing to use two peripherals at the same time to use a window
wow, so this is the power of user friendly design
>coherent design language
what does that even mean?
Windows makes billions of dollars a year and has three different control panels from different decades. Nobody cares about consistency. I want my desktop to run my programs to do what I want to do.
The difference is that Linux users actually have a choice of desktop environment.
freetards that don't care about design and wonder why no one uses their xfeces garbage
people use their computers for purposes, not to look at their control interfaces. make your software fucking work and then we'll talk
Why shouldn't I care how """control interfaces""" appear when I'm looking at them for hours on end?
>The difference is that Linux users actually have a choice of desktop environment.
And they choose not Gnome
putting shit in a blender will make its texture highly consistent but won't change its taste
Amberol is literally his own project. It has nothing to do with GNOME itself.
Passive aggressive filename based insults is peak FOSS. Everyone who gives code away for free to be taken over by tin pot dictators gets what they deserve.
>Lame Bro
>Male Bro
>Labor Me
>Real Mob
honestly I'm starting to like this guy, maybe I'll install GNOME on my next machine
When did GNOME go to shit?
When they released 3
grabbed amberol from the aur because of your thread to test it
pretty neat
someone knows why amberol sees "unknown title / artist" even though it's on the file name
any way to edit that?
I ask because too lazy to check just in case it's obvious
yes
kek
thanks
Sounds like it only looks at the id3 tags and not filenames
>not falling back to the filename
yikes!
you don't need that feature
'bussy said filenames will never be implemented
Wait a minute. Ebussy said that you don't want to adjust volume in the music app, you want to adjust it in OS audio settings. Because of that Totem doesn't have the volume slider. But why the fuck this player has the volume slider then?
>Ebussy was wrong
Don't attribute to Ebussy what can be attributed to Allan Day
So now how many music applications are there for GNOME?
>Amberol
>GNOME Music
>Lollypop
>Rhythmbox
rhythmbox is the only music player in existence.
t. MPD user of 16 years who has never used rhythmbox.
>for GNOME
Do I understand correctly that on desktop Linux, GUI programs basically need to be written either "for GNOME/gtk" or "for KDE/Qt"? And that you can more or less run programs written for one while using a DE that uses the other, but it's a bit janky/visually inconsistent/generally not ideal... to the point where people write new software where the only "selling" point over existing options is that it uses the other toolkit?
That seems... very suboptimal. Kind of like the win32 vs UWP split on Windows, except everyone other than MS realised that UWP was a terrible idea.
GTK and Qt are not interoperable. But the former is indisputably worse to deal with, both from an user and developer standpoint. It'd be best if it just disappeared, honestly. Qt may have licensing problems with a patent troll tier company holding the IP and investing into dead ends, but you can at the very least develop competent software with it. GIMP, originally GTK original piece of software, is pretty much unusable due to its limitations.
Part of me wonders if GIMP would be better off switching back to Motif.
>better off switching back to Motif
Oh God no! Motif is fucking awful. Even Gtk is better.
By "for GNOME" I meant that they're part of the GNOME project. I just worded it poorly.
>another GNOME thread
fuck off, buy an add, kill yourself homosexual, etc.
seriously, I'm tired of every day anti-GNOME and pro-GNOME spam. I just don't care about their desktop environment
Caring is not a valid use case. Issue closed.
Fucking gnome and gtk is a online mexican telenovela and I fucking love it, keep it fags I'm enjoying this shit
Cantata+MPD is still the best music app setup.
>MPD
What's even so great about mpd, is it just because you interface with it through the cli?
for
(Me) it's a long list of reasons that has a lot of history, like I said, it's been over 16 years). for reasons I don't totally remember now but back then I used to restart X really often (maybe to update configurations) or drop to a VT or something like that. MPD allowed me to play music uninterrupted no matter where I was on my system and regardless of whether a GUI was running. this was one big reason for me. before MPD I used XMMS. the other reasons was that the MPD protocol was easy to use and it allowed me to interact with it programmatically in a very straightforward way. the other reason is that MPD being a networked service it's very easy to control it remotely so my computer doubled as a stereo for my home. the other reason is democratization of user interface. there are a lot of choices and, as you mentioned, CLI interfaces are also available. long story short, MPD is very flexible.
I suppose there is another reason: MPD is also stable. the software is reliable but it also hasn't really changed at all since I've started using it. for example, case in point.. see
. XMMS also basically died. once you use MPD you really never need another music player. I've regularly tried out new music players but I always come back to MPD in the end. eye candy is nice but realistically I just need it to play audio.
>MPD
https://www.musicpd.org/
>Music Player Daemon (MPD)
>What's even so great about mpd
It works quite well without any significant issues, uses minimal system resources and has decent UIs available. Other media players I've tried often don't support even the basic features it does (e.g. folder-based library view, the ability to play arbitrary files on your disk) and when they do, they tend to come with atrocious UX.
No thumbnails
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/233
Can't jump to a specific file
>Yes: we don't want typeahead. It's dead. It's pining for the fjords. It's an ex parrot.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/839
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/244
Can't search for files with spaces
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/616
Blurry text
>What makes you think that sharpness is a metric?
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/3787
Can't sort search results
>this feature existed in the previous version, we decided to remove it and now we lack human power to code it
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/374
No volume control
>Why do you think a volume control is necessary?
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-music/-/issues/343
Slow single threaded file manager
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/856
Missing transparency effect
>Nobody has ever been able to explain to me why transparency would be an essential feature
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695371
No decent indicator for unseen notifications
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/3631
>Can't search for files with spaces
>As far as I can see, space char not being taken into account for the search term seems like a designed decision, so not a bug
>seems like a designed decision
They just think Allan Day ordered it and they don't question if it's a bad idea or not
>No volume control
>https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-music/-/issues/343
>>I sincerely believe that in-app volume control is counter-intuitive and actively harmful from my experience as a user.
>>When there is volume control in the app in front of you, it is too easy to reach out and use it.
kek lmao no way
I agree with that though. There should be one place to control volume, which is in the top right menu.
Android and IOS have done this since forever, yet no one has complained about that
phones and tablets have dedicated buttons for volume adjustment which can be used easily everywhere.
computers usually don't. and having to move
out of your program to the OS controls just to adjust the volume is bad design. especially if your program has controls for everything else regarding the playback of media.
>and having to move out of your program to the OS controls just to adjust the volume is bad design.
Why? Just because you said it is? I'd say that having one location for all volume control is good design. For example, usually you will start music playing then use a different program while the music is playing in the background. If you needed to drop the volume for some reason, it's easier to go to one place where all volume control is, to adjust that instead of navigating back to the music program.
>phones and tablets have dedicated buttons for volume adjustment
Every keyboard that I've used has volume and media controls.
>Every keyboard that I've used has volume and media controls.
That's very hit and miss. This keyboard doesn't have any, but the fact that you don't use it means that you simply assume they all have them? You're just insulated in your own little bubble.
If you don't have dedicated media keys it's trivial to bind shortcuts for media controls.
>I'd say that having one location for all volume control is good design
It's such amazingly good design that when you have multiple browser tabs playing sound and go to the system volume mixer, you have to wonder if the youtube tab is the Firefox #1 or the Firefox #4.
Application window don't map to the mixxer. An application can have multiple audio stream and the same application can be open in different instances playing audio.
In those cases, the system wide mixer is just shit to use.
It would be one audio control per application. One knob for Firefox, regardless of how many tabs or windows there are. Web browsers are an interesting case because of how diverse they are, but I'd say using the YouTube volume control is reasonable even though it seems to go against what I have said before.
I saw many feature requests over time that were about moving volume controls into i.e. the task bar, or the context menu of the title bar.
Because it would be incredibly handy.
Nobody likes to go to the system volume mixer to find the application in the list, if there is already an application list (task bar) or another way to point at the application (the window itself).
System volume mixers are always very bad to interact with.
It's the same on Windows and Mac doesn't even try.
Phones don't allow to set volume per app,except if the app itself includes a volume control.
>Nobody likes to go to the system volume mixer to find the application in the list
So the question is, it is a bad idea of has it just never been done well?
I really don't know, I just find these sorts of conversations interesting.
In my head, I think that one place to adjust volume for everything is useful. It means volume control is always in the same place and always looks the same.
You can never be quite sure where in app volume control might be, because it depends on the developer.
Plasma 6 is doing it now.
And it does exactly what you suggested. It changes the volume of all streams of the application. In the case of a browser with multiple tabs playing audio, it will change all of them.
KDE chads win again.
So when is this going to be added in GNOME, 2050?
And here what happens when the different audio streams of an application are on different levels.
The volume slider keeps it in the same ratio.
afaik GNOME is thinking about doing the Android thing and grouping all applications under one slider and system notifications under a different one.
They committed fully to the system volume mixer and don't want you to control volume anywhere else.
What the fuck are they thinking?
You can only control the sound of the entire system from the tray, the actual mixer is hidden in the settings app, and I do mean hidden because not only do you have to open Settings and go to the Audio menu (can be reasonably done directly through the tray at leasy), open a closed menu, and THEN manage the open applications' volumes
I still like GNOME's overall design philosophy and workflow, but removing features and forgetting to include good replacements for them is such a consistent problem in GNOME it concerns me
We still don't have a working background applications tray since they removed the existing one, the one we got is poorly implemented and only supports flatpak programs
They designed it that way. Looking at the actual design mockups show they don't care for per application audio volume.
Imagine using Gnome
Imagine being on version 45 of a software and being so shit at maintaining features that you still only accept "essential" features
The worst part is this would be ported into good DEs like XFCE if it weren't for the project having the foresight to tell them to fuck themselves and use Thunar
I've spent an hour searching through these issues because I refuse to believe they're as simple as "We don't let you type spaces in the search bar because it's too big of a hassle"
and no shitting
it really is as simple as
>We don't think users should want to make files with spaces in them, search without spaces and the tokenization will find them anyway
Actually and unironically my mind is blown this is the attitude of a modern software developer who still has a job
What if I didn't make connectivity for any of my applications because "It's in my opinion you can drag and drop any files the app needs to interact with and there's no reason for it to communicate outwards for anything", I'd lose my fucking job
>I've spent an hour searching through these issues because I refuse to believe they're as simple as "We don't let you type spaces in the search bar because it's too big of a hassle"
This one doesn't sound like a bug to me:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/616#note_596235
If they are in fact splitting the search term by space as a delimiter then it makes sense. They could special-case space but then that'd probably come with a considerable performance trade-off.
You literally cannot search for files that have two spaces in them because of this braindead retarded decision
"performance trade off" people want to find their fucking files. Having space be exclusive to file selection and hoping people just get the hint and use fuzzy finding for everything is absurd.
this would not be an issue if you could add tags when you save a file
then had an easy way to find by tag
these are retarded for sure, but many can be fixed with addons
>addons
which break every other update
GNOME users are walking stockholm syndromes.
some large ones like dash-to-panel get very good release support, but yes many extensions don't get timely updates or are abandoned
>Can't search for files with spaces
>https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/616
Aren't thumbnails supposed to be fixed by now? Didn't they say they would release it on gnome 45? The fuck?
I wish the major distros would just switch to KDE as the default and let GNOME become irrelevant.
gnome music?
> gnome-music cannot open music files
kek
GNOME BAD
KDE GOOD
USE KDE
you don't need playlists
is this the true power of rust and ebussy?
Serves you right for using a flavour-of-the-month alternative
Wasn't a problem for GNOME's other music player (Rhythmbox).
Don't you have some horrible, anti-user software to write there you guhnagger
100x rockstar coders like Kovid and Ebussy are too talented to be working for free
is bassis mustache a reverse-hitler?
Kovid Goyal is the exact opposite of Ebussy
>Covid
How's his Python 2 maintenance going anyway?
so have it throw an error if one of the sandbox permissions is denied
returning permission denied or file not found is always an available option if you do not feel comfortable implementing the entire m3u specification. all systems expect any variety of failures and these two are some of the most basic variety of errors.
the excuse you're presenting is lazy, naive, unintelligent, unimaginative and befitting only of unenterprising negros.
Errors confuse users. Closed.
Hello ebussi
>can point to files on remote servers and HLS live streams
So that's just HTTP requests? HLS isn't a too complicated spec to follow and you can expect HTTP/1.1 fallback from 100% of the services…
>multiple optional extensions
>optional
Also this holy fuck
>inb4 but thats half assing it
Gnomed.
what a garbage format. I would just throw an error for remote files or hls live streams, no reason for it to even exist
Why is it that every other day I hear about some bullshit happening with gnome?
Because people are just realising that it took over 20 years to put icons in the file picker and they find the dev autism funny.
ebussy
bro ebasedi's aryan stare is fucking kino. also why do so many linux devs have neckbeards in 2023? i got recommended some gay brody youtuber that has no beard on the face and just a massive neckbeard kek
chad ebassed
vs
onions indian LULZ channers.
this picture made me understand better why he is hated here so much.
hello, malding ebussy. don't you get tired of being btfo by a basket weaving forum?
> just makes shit up
if you think m3u is complex then you are a poorly educated coon that should be nowhere near anything that has a cpu in it. my god you are fucking stupid. is that you, ebussy? you are straight up fucking retarded, son. mongoloid in appearance with the intelligence of roadkill.
Dunning kruger
I fucking hate the trend to package applications "in a sandbox".
I isolate my applications, when the situation warrants, with iptables rules and setgid bits. Or by launching them in a separate VM with a special bridge network configuration. It's not something every application needs to be programed around.
You do it for like one or two things, at most.
KDE doesn't have this issue
yeah because kde doesnt have enough time to be arguing they dont even have enough time to design a decent looking de
What a autistic homosexual. Amberol is perfect and needs no additions to the code. Ole needs to find himself another audio player and stop being a stan.
>Ole needs to find himself another audio player and stop being a stan.
why even reinvent the wheel all the fucking time when vlc exists and it's better than anything these homosexuals will ever write...
I've been using vlc as an audio player for nearly 2 decades at this point and I've never had any issues with it...
ikr des come with shit no one cares about or uses
Can Amberol open playlists?
Opening playlists is not a metric.
I love Gnome. The project and its maintainers provide endless free entertainment and I don't even have to use their software.
Gnome is like Internet Explorer of desktop environments. I don't understand why it still exists or why big distros like it so much.
I'm surprised this clown is having a light shone on him
GNOME is a bunch of foreigners and troons.
I recently installed gnome-shell on arch, and I have to say it's actually a decent window manager. Why is LULZ hating it again?
most of the haters have never used it, or they haven't used it in the past 6 years.
It lacks festures and breaks extensions
>the closed source OS that has been accumulating spaghetti code for the past 30+ years is still more coherent and usable than anything corporate open source has ever managed
Money makes software worse 100% of the time.
The spaghetti inside Windows has probably reached the status of an arcane seal at this point, it shall never be toppled or equaled by mere mortals.
>epussy is rust troon
explains a lot
Who gives a shit. We have cinnamon now. Shit is 'just werks'.
Keep seething fags
REMEMBER
gnome recieved another MILLION dollars.
and footfags.webm is still not fixed.
No no no no no no FOOTFAGS WE HAVE THE BEST DE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING REEEEE
Who cares when you have GNOME MUSIC
i think i once tried it and was very confused how to use it or add music to play
You add your music to ~/Music
That's the only path recognizable by it
can't be used as a default app for opening music files, lol
>no volume control
Jesus Christ,
GNOME is just one big soap opera.
No it's a comedy.
if you guys hate this retard so much, then why don't you do something about him?
here, have some info: https://www.bassi.io/theme/
guess which version of debian he's running as his server.
That website looks terrible, I do love the light gray text on white background near the bottom.
This is why ubuntu is winning
>gets in your way, nothing personal ebussi.
I think we can all agree Emmanuelle won the war.
it's amazing how easily shitskin bug eater with a terrible English accent can gain 20k subscribers by simply spamming his garbage-tier content all around the internet for several years
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>all those words and quoting the other guy
lel, just call him a homosexual and to khs and leave it at that
> gets btfo
really is this simple to understand why this fat malding failure has managed to make gnome this fucking shit: vastly incompetent. having to make up a fantasy lie about m3u being "complex" should be enough to wake people up to how dangerously incompetent this hack is as a programmer.
>caring about biching nerds and fatties
why should I waste time on this specific topic? It is not like gnome did not have other issues. Thanks to the fact that it used to be very important for desktop unix 15 years ago, there is still some relevance to this thing, so why bother with a fatty and a nerd having a personal fight?
It's about opening the local files that the playlist points to. Flatpak only grants you access to one file that the user opens directly with a portal
Cunts like this are placed and paid by Microsoft and Oracle to keep open source down.
Correct.
Leave him alone
So what's the LULZ approved music player for GNOME?
You do not want or need to play music in the GNOME DE. Issue closed.
You relay on qt/kde chads as always and use something made by them like Cantata
mpd+ncmpcpp
please Emmanuele out yourself as transgender like that swine from linus tech tips
you would make us proud
>I sincerely believe that in-app volume control is counter-intuitive and actively harmful from my experience as a user.
>When there is volume control in the app in front of you, it is too easy to reach out and use it.
>However, once I select some music to play, I usually switch to other activities. At that moment, I would not have the Music application in front of me, so, wanting to change the volume, I would use my keyboard media keys or reach the device volume control slider, which is available from the top panel of the GNOME Shell. So, for example, if I dial down the music player but then decide that I want the volume up and dial it up for the whole device, I would eventually end up shocked by a system notification or some other sound at a volume too high than expected. It is even worse when using a Bluetooth headset. When you are away from your computer, e.g. doing housework, you do not have any visual feedback when changing the volume level with the volume buttons on the headset. So, it is even easier to set the notifications volume too high when you previously dialled down the music player.
>A quality music library should not require you to fiddle with controls instead of listening. It is a reasonable expectation.
Kafkaesque
I half agree with this
>So, for example, if I dial down the music player but then decide that I want the volume up and dial it up for the whole device
This shouldn't happen. Volume controls on media keys or headsets should control the volume of the currently playing program. If I press the volume down key while listening to music, it should lower the volume for the music program. The top panel for the gnome Shell should have a separate volume slider for each program that is out putting sound, like pic rel.
If you watch anyone using windows, they always go to that bottom right sound menu to adjust individual volumes.
That's reasonable, although things would fall apart if you happen to have 2 different programs that plays audio. Then pressing Vol Up key affects which program? Should it only affect the program that is currently playing sound (and it's the only one)? What if I press the Vol Up key the moment the notification pings, will that increase only the volume of the notifications?
>Should it only affect the program that is currently playing sound
Yes, that's what I said in my post. There would be a problem if you had two programs playing sound at the same time (have music player open and Firefox playing rain sounds) but realistically there is no way to work this out perfectly when you have one set of volume keys. The computer can't read your mind.
Android has all media bound to the same volume slider, but then what if one program had more gain than the other?
I'd say that the priority should go to the last program interacted with or the last media stream that was started. As long as it's consistent.
>What if I press the Vol Up key the moment the notification pings
Interesting case. I'd say that volume keys should never change the notification volume as it's impossible to purposely increase the notification volume by timing it for when a notification happens. There's no reason for the user to want that behaviour. It's annoying to have a special exception but necessary
Why hasn't GNOME been forked yet? This Bassi guy seems to be the driving force behind keeping GNOME unusable for years now.
uh gnome has been forked like 3 different times
Fork it then, if you're so great
I don't use a shitty DE like GNOME, I have no reason to fork GNOME. I'm just making an observation that people tend to hate GNOME and its maintainers actively hold it back.
it's been done already and the gnome devs started fucking gtk to stop people from forking and creating new desktops
Fork gtk then
It's been done too, didn't work either red hat started making smear campaigns against the people doing it, that's why ubuntu stopped contributing patches to gtk and popos went with ice
Source?
https://twitter.com/jeremy_soller/status/1577061838910390272
you're slowly starting to realize just how poorly Linux is designed due to its decentralized nature of everything.
>cant uninstall nautilus without uninstalling gnome
why? i only want/need thunar
Bassi is based this time around. Too many young resume stuffing pajeets contribute to foss. Has everyone forgotten about sneedharen?
Isn't GNOME supposed to be a RedHat managed project? How did they let this get so far out of hand? KDE just makes sense more and more by the day.
>KDE just makes sense more and more by the day
How so?
The developers aren't baseshit insane neck beards for starters
More configurable, sane defaults, sane devs, devs who actually work, devs who don't demand/cry about money
I think gnome has good defaults if you're willing to do things the gnome way.
If you want it to feel more like windows then Ubuntu has very good gnome defaults.
Quick rundown on what the fuck I'm looking at? I know who the guy it, but I don't understand the context, even though I read the thread.
I never really liked gnome, but considering the contents of this thread I think I'll be more actively ignoring anything gnome related from now on.