>the forms are necessary and make sense because...

>the forms are necessary and make sense because... THEY JUST ARE AND DO, OKAY????????

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Begone, hylic

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >sour grapes

    Do you love your parents? Why? What exactly is a ‘parent’?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >she doesn't know that meaning is use
      moron.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's really simple.
    We are able to know about things that have never existed, never will exist and have never been observed. for example equal lengths.
    How is this kind of knowledge possible?
    Plato's solution (in a very general way) is that those things are mind independent, i.e. not figments of our brains but things that actually exist just like a rock exists.
    This idea is still very popular to this day even in physics and mathematics.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Does that mean my waifu with a femine penis actually exists?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Pato cucks btfo again

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        She does in your mind. It's not actually possible to imagine everything (a square that's also a triangle is impossible to imagine, it cannot exist). So your dick waifu has something over impossible ideas.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but what does this actually prove?
          >somethings are possible and some aren't and I can imagine stuff that is
          Just stating the obvious, really.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The general form of a waifu/ female exists to Plato. The notion of a female entity is itself something that exists as an object on another plane. YOUR specific waifu is just made up nonsense though.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          cope

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That is actual Platonic discourse. Plato never said "anything you want to be real is real" like he's a genie or something.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Seethe. Plato was team girl wiener waifu

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >YOUR specific waifu is just made up nonsense though.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The forms are an absurdly primitive solution to this problem, it's actually childish

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      She does in your mind. It's not actually possible to imagine everything (a square that's also a triangle is impossible to imagine, it cannot exist). So your dick waifu has something over impossible ideas.

      Plato's genera for things is in the intellect is: being, motion, stability, difference and identity. The Intellect is one, but since the Intellect thinks, and thinking includes grasping something the thinker is doesn't possess, it is also "one-many", meaning it has multiplicity while still being unified. A form in the Intellect is like the chair before it is made by the builder, only we must understand that this analogy is limited, since it is trying to explain the intelligible world in sensible world terms.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      More importantly. it ties into his notion of the soul because if the soul is keen to everything in the entirety of existence due to being part of The One before being sent to your body then you must only recollect what you inquire. It's actually kind of interesting to think about.

      Everything including the soul is The One and we are on the transient plane so to recollect something we must only think back to when everything was open to us.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds like baseless nonsense frfr.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The idea of the soul is arguable but if the soul is real then it can be inferred that at one point all of the universes secrets were open knowledge to you and you just forgot them.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Plato wrote satires, don't take him too seriously.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine a table, now make a table.
    The table you make will not be the table you envisioned.
    The table you envisioned is the prime form, THE table. A perfect table.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That’s just my minds conception of a table. It’s not from a literal realm outside my head lmao

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Lol it is pretty apparent when you think on it that ideas are caused by our encounter with objects, they do not precede and certainly do not cause objects. That would be silly.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Arguing over stupid nonsense.

    ᛝ The Four Noble Truths ᛝ
    1. Suffering is inseparable from existence.
    2. The root cause of suffering is craving.
    3. Suffering can be ended by ending craving.
    4. There is a path to ending craving and suffering.

    ᚼ archive.org/details/WhatTheBuddhaTaught_201606
    ᚼ buddhanet.net/audio-lectures.htm

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Refuted by Plato. Read Hipparchus. If something is good then it is justified to crave it.

      • 1 year ago
        DoctorGreen

        >If something is good then it is justified to crave it.
        pure filth

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >2. The root cause of suffering is craving.
      >4. There is a path to ending craving and suffering.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The Buddha was very sad and life denying.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You realize every single philosophy and worldview has axioms of some kind?

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I mean, it makes discussing questions of philosophy simple. Plato's forms or essences aren't a real thing, he's not saying there's a mystical "roundness" ghost somewhere, but it is helpful to understand when we speak, we speak in ideas and concepts that may not always 100% of the time, be manifest physically

    You missed the point, I doubt you'll be able to comprehend any other philosopher if you can't even understand Plato removing semantics games from Socratic method

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No, Plato was in fact saying the Forms were a real thing.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        And not just in the sense that they're just as real as any other thought, idea, or thing that you can think of. That they objectively exist and already pre-existed.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          To Plato, every thought and idea is an eternal and concrete form and what we see in front of us is a weaker, transient copy of it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Correct,

        I mean, it makes discussing questions of philosophy simple. Plato's forms or essences aren't a real thing, he's not saying there's a mystical "roundness" ghost somewhere, but it is helpful to understand when we speak, we speak in ideas and concepts that may not always 100% of the time, be manifest physically

        You missed the point, I doubt you'll be able to comprehend any other philosopher if you can't even understand Plato removing semantics games from Socratic method

        is a brainlet who's only encounter with Plato has been in one Undergrad. philosophy 101 course he took years ago.

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