The fact that people unironically admire this dude and think hes cool is so crazy to me.

The fact that people unironically admire this dude and think hes cool is so crazy to me. I watch clips of him and all I see is a complete tryhard. He gives off vibes of a dude that used to be a geek and got tired of that so he started larping as some le epin alpha male.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's hard to take your criticism seriously when he's giga rich, fucks 10/10 stacies daily, drives million dollar super cars etc.

    >he's a tryhard!
    Maybe. Who cares? Certainly not him, you are less than nothing to him.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      who's to say he's more than nothing to me?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tate simps are the cringiest, saddest creatures on this earth.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        aand here's the low effort
        >i-if you disagree with anything I say that means..that means you love the target of my criticism!
        I don't give a fuck about tate. at all. I just don't understand the criticism of 'tryhard' when you're as wildly fucking succesful as tate is. Like how does that even make sense? Tryhard implies a sort of posturing of something you aren't - Tate is very evidently everything he claims to be, and is the peak of successful males in every metric you can think of. How in the fuck is he a 'tryhard'? Shut up you stupid nagger.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          When you defend someone with all your heart like you did in your post, its not so hard to assume that someone would call you a simp for that person.

          If I sit there and hardcore defend someone I wouldnt be surprised if someone called me a simp for them. Some of you fags are so retarded its actually mind numbing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The problem is you're perceiving something that didn't happen. Perception is a funny thing!

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, the problem is that you are socially retarded and don't understand how to defend someone without coming off like you're on their cock.

              If you say something like
              >Who cares? Certainly not him, you are less than nothing to him.

              Saying someone is "less than nothing" to someone else, and thats not even counting all the other shit you said, anyone who isnt a downy is going to think their cock is down your throat. If you dont want to come off like a simp, dont act like a simp. Throw in a "I'm not even a fan" or something. Don't come off a certain way then when someone calls you on it, shrink back and go "i-its just your perception!!"

              Fucking retarded ass autistic nagger. Fuck outta here.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No you are poised to think anyone who disagrees with you automatically has a strong bias in favor of whoever you're attacking. This happens to me all fucking day on the internet, it's not like I'm not used to it.
                >x is retarded
                >x is not retarded in the way you're claiming
                >WHAT THE FUCK, GET A REAL FATHER, STOP ADOPTING X AS YOUR E-DADDY!!
                nagger.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My friend, if you think your first post doesnt come off as simpy, you are so deeply socially retarded its completely pointless to even go back and forth with you. ALL YOU HAD TO DO was throw in a "I'm not even really a fan" and it would have been fine.

                I'm not a homosexual who thinks just because something happens to you a lot, that you are in the wrong, but I do think this is definitely one of those times. Just make it clear you're not on their dick and you'll be fine. This is literally basic shit.

                Its not that I am "poised to think anyone who disagrees with you automatically has a strong bias in favor of whoever youre attacking", but you wont get it even if I explain it to you. Youre clearly autistic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are mentally retarded no joke

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This happens to me all fucking day on the internet
                lol I wonder why. Doesn't seem to happen to most people.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Internet access and mobile devices are too cheap and accessible these days, man... Even to children as young as 12.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >When you defend someone with all your heart like you did in your post
            That anon is actually right though. People use tryhard in the silliest ways (e.g. vidya. who plays to lose?), but Tate, by any metric, is more accomplished than most humans in existence. The insults people try to throw at him to somehow bring him down to their level doesnt make sense.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You can have 1 trillion dollars, a 5000 girl harem, a infinitely long dick and still come off as a tryhard. It doesnt suddenly stop being possible for you to come off as a tryhard if you are very accomplished.

              Girls will say stuff like "Tate gives off short man energy", and im not sucking their clits or deny women will say bad stuff about him because he says truths they dont like, but at least some of the reason they say that about him because he comes off very tryhard, like hes overcompensating.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What makes your criticism even weirder is that it has repeatedly been said that Andrew's playing a character. So you calling him a tryhard shows that the only way you've been taking his content is super seriously. Regardless, his tryhard-ness has netted him a lifestyle most can only dream of (minus the whole jail thing lmao). I want to be a tryhard too if I can get rich like that.

                I don't care either way, but a fair bit of criticism I see thrown at him, the people saying it come as bitter or coping hard lel. No one cares, save for the people that get offended by it. No one goes around asking what colour is your bugatti with seriousness.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Andrew's playing a character.
                I hate this shit so much.

                >says something I like
                Yes based and redpilled, slay king!
                >says something I don't like or is self-incriminating
                Noooo, he's just playing a character don't take him seriously!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I hate this shit so much
                It doesn't matter if you hate it, that's what he's doing. I don't care either way. I don't love or hate this. I am indifferent to it. Sounds like you are too emotionally invested in this. Why does Andrew rustle your jimmies?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >its just a character bro

                Okay, so the character he plays is cringe and tryhard. All we did was go a level up.

                Its cool he has everything he has. Its great. I'm definitely jealous. Would love to have that money.

                The "its just a character" shit just seems like a cop out though. "If i can just say I'm playing a character I can get out of any criticism scott free!"

                Lul, anyway its just my opinion.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          how is this life supposed to be successful. giving into the primal urges to fuck. not having any hobbies interests or knowledge. wasting money on cars, drugs because those stupid things are the only things that would make him feel like he's worth anything. i wish people like him and those who idolize them stop existing to make the world better.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Correct. he's acting basically.

      He's gonna be spending 8 to 40 years in a Romanian jail which is a terrible RIA. Guy couldn't help himself to stick to legal sketchy grifting, he had to go to human trafficking.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >He's gonna be spending 8 to 40 years in a Romanian jail
        >implying

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's hard to take your criticism seriously
      He does though. Man is super sensitive, it's effeminate. Even before his prison saga bro goes or has his ghost tweeter go through tweet replies to hide replies he doesn't like, literal feminine behavior

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he's giga rich, fucks 10/10 stacies daily, drives million dollar super cars etc.
      He's in jail, the Romanian government took all his shit, and the only sex he's having is slavnaggers pounding his ass and putting his big dick sucking lips to work

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I look up to him because he has a bunch of cars in a garage somewhere that he can't even drive because he's in jail
      you are unironically more retarded and more materialistic than the average woman

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he is ugly
      >brown
      >bald
      >people hate him for these things
      Despite all of that, he still fucks hot women. Give me another ugly bald bastard that lives a different lifestyle and is still successful. I'll wait.

      you do realize he is a literal rapist right? the only way for him to spread his inferior bald nagger genes is by literally risking his entire career to gaslight a 19 year old lmao

      AND he got caught.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And what did all that get him? He's dying of lung cancer in a romanian prison surrounded by cockroaches and I'm not.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >he is ugly
    >brown
    >bald
    >people hate him for these things
    Despite all of that, he still fucks hot women. Give me another ugly bald bastard that lives a different lifestyle and is still successful. I'll wait.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Despite all of that, he still fucks hot women.
      so do plenty of people. if that's your metric for whether or not someone is admirable, you're almost certainly a sex-desperate incel who places having sex above all else in life

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't care about sex. I can just see through the bullshit. You hate him because he is ugly and successful. If he was hot, no one would care. He would be labeled a player. A fuckboy. A gigachad. Nothing he would say or do would be wrong.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I can see through the bullshit
          >Then just says the most basic, milquetoast, le redpill, black and white thinking, "I think I'm deep", homosexual shit

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I hope more ugly men start manipulating women instead of just accepting being made an incel loser.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh I let me not forget, if you spoke out against a successful attractive man, it would be "sour grapes." You would be a bitter incel. Envious homosexual. Etc.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tate barely fucked anything over 6/10 women, id bet

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hes cool is so crazy to me
    Why? Not hard to imagine a bunch of fags without proper father figures looking up to this scam artist. Hell look at that retarded ass protest by the greeks to release Tate(who basically got himself rotting in jail and claiming to have cancer).
    >He gives off vibes of a dude that used to be a geek and got tired of that so he started larping as some le epin alpha male.
    Not really.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he's the epitome of the most cringeworthy and laughable parts of /LULZ/ and /misc/. if anyone says they like this guy you know they're a complete loser and retard

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this is what happens when you have a society that is raised by single mothers. young men and boys are desperate for a male model to look up to and aspire to be, tate and others like him fill that role.

    women screech about how chuds look up to tate, but they literally empowered tate by creating a perfect society for males to worship him.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Other than the sentiment that material possessions are all that matters, or that most men can be fulfilled in polyamourous relationships with multiple gf's/wives (I doubt most men would prefer this arrangement even if they could acquire it) what exactly does he say that's even wrong?
      >work out
      >find god
      >make enough money, and in such a way, so that you and your family are not dependent on the system and can move around if need be
      >own firearms
      What is wrong with any of this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Black men are largely successful with women despite growing up without a dad. They are misogynistic. Flashy. Violent. All the things Tate promotes. Women apparently love it. Why shouldn't fatherless men look up to Tate and blacks?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Black men are largely successful with women despite growing up without a dad
        Is that all that matters to you in life?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Is that all that matters to you in life?
          I understand that you want ugly men to just fuck off into their little corners. They are not going to. Get over it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't get the unwarranted hostility. Ok sure, they get pussy, is that all you want out of life? 99% of their lives are spent in prison, doing crimes, acting psychopathic in general, and that 1% is spent having sex.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >is that all you want out of life?
              That's all women want in life. Quit passing the buck. You can blame men or you can look at the enablers. lmao. It's that simple. Men want pussy and they are going to look at who is successful and mimic that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There used to be a time when people actually used to have virtues and morals, which created a good society to live in. You want to become part of the problem, where hedonism and violence are rewarded? Go ahead.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Having moral in an immoral hedonistic society get you nowhere fast. What you are offering man is a life of being fucked over and solitude.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are people who are moral, you just have to find them. Is it worth corrupting yourself to get a smidge of pussy? Most people are shit obviously, and you need to avoid them. Search for people who share similar values. You do not want to be like these people who have to constantly worry about being killed or their throats slit. You live by the sword, you die by it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't know what you are talking about. Most men are ugly. They do themselves no favors by limiting them to smaller and smaller groups of people because those people will also be lookist too. It's human nature. They must keep their net wide or they will suffer.

                Quit asking men to change and ask women to change instead. Men will conform to whatever women are attracted to.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Alright then, just become rich, get jacked, get a woman who is only with you for the money? If that's your choice, ok. I'd rather die than live that life.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Good for you. Most men do not want to be like you. They want to be successful.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They want to be successful.
                We have different standards of success. You want to see what happens when a society emulates your values? Go to Africa.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Again, cry to women. Not men. You can go monk mode and protest the retarded selection of women but I can guarantee you 100% that the majority of men will not. They will conform because it's in their evolutionary nature to do so. Not the strongest but the most adaptive.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                damn, you sound like a mega simp.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not an argument. You know I'm correct.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i called you a mega simp and im not the one youve been going back and forth with,

                but you do sound like a simp, "muh pussy muh pussy" is all i hear coming out of your mouth

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You realize I'm here because I don't play the game, right? I'm in the same boat as you it sounds like but I'm speaking broadly. If you think most men conforming to get pussy is "simp" behavior than you think most men are simps. Those will be the men that breed. Not us.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Breeding doesnt matter if the society and world around us turns into a giant ghetto

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Again, cry to women. Not men
                You do realize it takes two to tango? It is a positive feedback loop which gets worse and worse as time goes on. The only reason why we even live in a functioning society is because we are exhasting the last of our fumes which have kept civilization going. These people will get their comeuppance. Their descendants will live in shit and squalor. Instead of building a society on trust, principles, and honor, you'll have people backstabbing each other just to get a buck. They will suffer, as the welfare slowly runs out and people don't work as hard. It'll take some time, but it'll happen.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They had those virtues and morals only BECAUSE their sexual needs were taken care of. Women stayed with their first bfs and married them and provided regular sex. In exchange they got a moral, conservative society.

                Now you want a sexually conservative underclass of ugly men while you get your anus gangbanged and cumfilled by hot men. Nope, no wonder Tate is popular with abused men.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Women don't like it because they need betabuxxers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Black men are largely successful with women

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Black men are largely successful with women despite growing up without a dad.
        black men have a huge incel crisis, its just not talked about. its only a small % of black men fucking most black women / women in general.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's kinda cringe but at least he has money

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's ironic and entertaining
    very old school LULZ to make this guy the hero of our society

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >its le ironic
      >heh, you have to look UNDERNEATH the LAYERS of what hes saying to ACTUALLY GET IT. HEH, you dont think its funny? YOU MUST NOT GET LE IRONY. HEH.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        look at you. you claim to be moral and you are mocking that anon with some ugly character. Admit that you are a piece of shit like everyone else and you are not above it all.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          im not even the morality dude, kek. stfu

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you would only side against Tate if you are a moralfag or a woman.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              hes a fag. a lot of what he says is pretty true, i just think hes a homosexual. and embodies a naggerish persona that degrades society. thats not even adding in the fact that he converted to that desert monkey religion.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What Andrew Tate Gets WRONG About Women _ Jordan Peterson

    Millionaire Mentor

    Shared 10 hours ago

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    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tate banged that Peterson's daughter. I ain't listening to a word Peterson says about him.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anyone who is actually a fan of this word salad homosexual is actually insane. Legit gave me a headache.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hes a literal chad, thats why, he used to be nothing, but became a great person. the fact you cant see how this irl shonen level character development would appeal to the vast majority of young men says a lot more about you than it does him.
    hes a great inspiration to me, and who know how many other people.
    all the people who seem obsessed with (hating) him have been tr**ns, leftwing incels, and old media rightwing boomers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Keygen

      >he used to be nothing
      He came from a wealthy family you retard, he has never been in the same realm as men who came from nothing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's really cool, man. Glad to see 13 year olds like you become redpilled.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >shonen level character development

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emory_Tate

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The real top G.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >~~*top G*~~
          You worship a literal glownagger who larps as a freemason.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i agree anon, he really is a great person despite his faults. i dont agree with some shit he said , theres some things he believes which are stupid but he did a lot for a lot of people

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are a gullible fool.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's just another MLM guy. He looks that way because it's the best way to sell his shit to teenage boys with typical teenager problems.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone simping after one person is a retard. No one has all of the answers. Not one person.

    I remember back in the late 2000s there was a Boomer conspiracy theorist with a Scottish accent I used to watch by the name of Alan Watt. He had a show called cuttingthroughthematrix. Most of what he said was correct but some of it was complete nonsense. These people have a tendency to mix truth and bullshit. Truth mixed with bullshit is a dangerous cocktail that produces cult followings.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    top G haters are really cringe. Get a life like him lol

    • 3 weeks ago
      Stormy, Cheerful Knight

      I would rather die without the touch of a woman than ever resort to imitating a misogynist like him. I am a wolf amongst sheep. You wouldn't understand this loneliness. Being the rational man in a world of emotional manchildren.

      • 3 weeks ago
        ENTJ

        You are a sissy trap amoungst trannies I will rape you death stormy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he's genuinely a funny guy

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >repackage "alpha male" and other red pill bullshit into a form that zoomers can digest
    >profit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Stormy, Cheerful Knight

      He also got success in the kickboxing scene so there's that. He's not a fag off the streets like that homosexual Coach Red Pill, a bald divorcee like Richard Cooper or a married wannabe Howard Stern like Rollo Tomassi

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this not just projection? Lmao.
    >He gives off vibes of a dude that used to be a geek and got tired of that so he started larping as some le epin alpha male.
    He doesn't judge himself on any of the same criteria that you seem to judge yourself with

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's fascinating, because he demonstrably is a try hard geek, but none of it is a LARP. He won a bunch of money prize fighting and then parlayed it into some amount of organized crime and human trafficking.

    You have to be a try-hard to become a world champion. He's evidence that it is possible to try-hard your way into success, and that it's beneficial to be a dick, just so long as you don't go to prison.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think he's such wasted potential. He has all that money but he still doesn't toupeemax, get a canthoplasty and get double jaw surgery etc

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Tate was physically attractive and did the exact same things, normies and women would love him, call him based, and label his critics as "jealous, bitter incels". I hate Tate, and even I can recognize this.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if he was physically attractive he wouldn't have strived to develop the persona he has

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        egg fucking zactly.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >He gives off vibes of a dude that used to be a geek and got tired of that so he started larping as some le epin alpha male.
    isn't that his audience?

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This fucking darkie wears shades everywhere he goes, even in afternoons and indoors. naggers have no fucking sense....

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >He gives off vibes of a dude that used to be a geek
    Yes, that's exactly why geeks and dorks love him. He's relatable to them.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They love him because he says shit they though of previously so it makes them feel smart. But they fail to realise he speaks their thoughts and makes them feel as smart as he, because they too heard it thousands of times from other gurus. He even got me with this manipulation tehnique, I used to tell my friends all the time
    >I can lift 100 kilos above my head. how in the fuck do you expect me to be depressed?
    He said
    >i punched people on the face and broke their bones. how in the fuck you expect me to be depressed.
    And you see I really liked that shit, maybe because I said something similar in the past and it makes me think "hey! i am as smart as this extremely famous dude! he is aweosme". This is my take strictly because he never said anything groundbreaking. I get it bro you told the world to go do the gym, not 100 people got rich off of your advice though, hustlers university is a scam and the war room is only a place for creepy wierdos teaching you how to convince your girl to do webcamming, and you pay 5000 dollars for it

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    people i know personally who wont shut up about andrew tate, i know they're insecure and have been since they were children. nobody who is confident really cares that much about what someone has to say, regardless of how many bitches/what car they have
    i think for a lot of these guys its babies first thing to argue about on the internet. if they knew about LULZ and weren't such fucking zoomers they'd have got this shit out of their system 10 years ago

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's obviously a POS, but larp or not, he's fucking, and that's more than I'm doing while trying to treat people with respect and care.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    tate is fag claiming to promote values and masculinity when he made his money as a degenerate epimp and running casinos

    also lol he worships his deadbeat father who cheated on his mom and left him to be a degenerate and play board games

    People with no or shit fathers have no right to tell others what being man is or isn't

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    without daddy's money and glownagger connections this fucker would be elliot rodger tier. this is why bottom of the barrel inceloids are so attracted to him. they smell a kindred spirit, they are the same, he just happened to be born in a better position than them

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nigga hes like 6'4. He's not a "Elliot Tier" incel GTFO here dumbass.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tryhard
    Tate is a legit sociopathic dark triad scumbag and confirms the dark triad pill constantly because despite how assholish he is foids still fuck him

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree, the man just comes off autistic and like he's trying to read a WWE script

      they're all prostitutes, it proves that he's wrong

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you can't see the autism and the betaness in his behaviour then you might just prove that literally all his fans are autist losers not seeing through the tryhard cringe

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    go figure normie retards who just found the redpill will idolize a cult leader who "has it all" spouting the same old cold takes that have been known truths around here for the past decade, hes just an edgier peterson catering to naive retards who believe if they buy into his bullshit they'll become him

    ironically e-famous retards like adin and sneako were already getting prime pussy and making money for nothing before they started emulating tate and now everyone thinks they're even bigger homosexuals than before

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    his character is so unconvincing you have to be really stupid to fall for it

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People who hate Andrew Tate are just mad that they're not Andrew Tate.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. I seethe every night realizing that I'm not covered in lice, bedbugs and roaches in a cold Romanian prison cell.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He just doesn't strike me as someone who actually enjoys life, even if he has sex. His views are so down syndrome it's sad not funny
    >i could get le stabbed no headphones pls
    >i need bitches and cars to be happy
    >i am sooo smart and world champion guys
    I thought he only does these things to get pussy but after it went farther than pussy i realised he is a sad and insecure little bitch and his money don't help him at all to feel superior, it's all just an act to attract both pussy and retards joining his dumbass discord server, he is a sad dumb guy overall and I would hate to have his brain, I seen enough videos to know how his mindset works and it's miserable, he is far from genius, genius at fitting in and being the king of retards maybe, but otherwise zero intelligence.

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