THE END OF GENDER?

Abolition of gender; postgenderism. Yes, no? Discuss. I have too much doubts about this, about myself and the future. What do you think anons?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have no thoughts about my gender whatsoever and I feel like I don't experience it or know what it is in anyway. Maybe that is what it means to be cisgender.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe gender's a fricking spook and young females are losing their breasts, metaphorically and physically, worrying about which specific gender they are out of the modern Cheesecake Factory menu of genders.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Agreed, I think gender shouldn't exist in the first place, but I have my doubts about what would "abolishing gender" mean to trans and feminist movements

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        how is this chud begging the question post conducive to discussion?

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    amogus

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    no it's bullshit, this has been with us since humanity was a thing. however i do want intersex people to be recognized how they see fit

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    impossible

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It depends who wins the culture war in the next decade in the US, since the rest of the developed world follows our cue when it comes to LGBT issues. If the conservatives win then it could take centuries for gender to be abolished

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Not possible sorry I'm super gender ambiguous and no one calls me they

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Gender Anarchism

    You can have your little group identity clubs if you want, but no institutions or power structures or hierarchies will recognise it in any formal capacity. It'll just be a social label you can use if you want to because it makes sense to you.
    Identifying as a gender will be like identifying with a fandom.

    First we gotta brainwash everyone a bunch first though because there's way too much baggage there for it to work right now lol.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Gender abolition is a great little utopian pipe dream but I don't think it will ever be possible to realize outside of some kind of posadist scenario where the current societies are fricking wiped from the earth alltogether. The complexity of modern society and systems of human interaction means that it's nearly impossible to meaningfully remove certain concepts from society; to do so would require insane amounts of societal manipulation on the level of an Orwellian dystopia which has complete control over all information within a society.
    That's not to say that gender abolition/postgenderism is bad. I think it'd be nice if people just behaved however they wanted to. Houseki no kuni is a very nice fictional example of this ideal I think. All of the main cast of characters don't even have any "real" anatomical features. They still technically use kind of gendered language (I think they just default to masculine terms iirc) but not in any meaningful way cause it has no bearing on how they act or any biological factor. Some of them give have very fem or masc vibes to their personality and look, but their presentation doesn't really fundamentally change how they're treated. What's interesting to me as well is that this lack of any meaningful gender roles doesn't preclude the existence of being trans either, as there is some very strong trans allegory later on in the story through one character in particular.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >The complexity of modern society and systems of human interaction means that it's nearly impossible to meaningfully remove certain concepts from society; to do so would require insane amounts of societal manipulation on the level of an Orwellian dystopia which has complete control over all information within a society.
      Plenty of religions and other concepts have died out over the centuries. All it takes is a convincing counter belief or sheer force for a limited period

    • 1 year ago
      bagel

      it's based but i'm wary of any 'abolish X social construct' meme since social constructs aren't really things you just dismiss, they're things which are produced and reinforced so you have to get rid of all the stuff it's built upon, and while that's easy to do in terms of personal philosophy/ontology it's hard to see any way of doing something on this scale politically; the most viable tactic is probably to just keep pushing anti-gender narratives and hope future generations pick up on it more (as we've kind of seen with millenials/gen Z around sexuality) but i'm equally skeptical of discourse-politics since it relies too much on the power abstractions have over social reality and doesn't grapple with the power social reality has over the formation of abstractions, and how because it's something that constitutes daily life/individual personhood it's something which can't just be excised simply
      >tl;dr based but probably not going anywhere because gender is transindividual (see picrel, before you accuse me of using pseud words i've explained it above)

      kind of this but it's a meme that it would have to be le 1948 god-bureaucracy it would just require a very extensive gradual readjustment of social structure, for which state compulsion would only be necessary if a significant population refused to take part; however, this would be true if this was attempted in a great leap forward style today since most people don't even have a formal understanding of their own concept of gender, let alone an interest in abolishing it as a social structure, so it would basically require troony globohomosexual stalinism

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >so it would basically require troony globohomosexual stalinism
        based if combined with deep ecology and germline engineering to destroy chud traits tbh

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Very intelligent response, anon
      There is both a nature and nurture incentive to keep the gender roles alive. Both from the genetic standpoint and the way countries, cultures and differences among different ethnicities work. For example, the role of men in work and war to protecting the political interest of a nation and stop external powers from meddling. The role of women in breeding, raising children and politics.
      These are real things and such a pipedream would crumble in a realistic scenario

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    gender abolition is an anarchist meme

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Cool picture

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    In my experience it's just an excuse for terfs and enbies to shit on trans people while masking it as progressive and ignoring our dysphoria. Like they want to remove the cultural concept of gender roles as something that can even be discussed, which in practice *could* be liberatory if identification and body modification were voluntary, but in practice under our current society will probably just mean an immediate reversion to triumphing biological sex as an identifier - making the cultural aspects of gender invisible and essentialist rather than actually removing them.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    We’re human and therefore we lab things to make identification of those things easier later
    Gender will never be “abolished” unless people get so sick of all the autistic flavors that it collapses in on itself and we refer to each other as “feminine male” or “masculine female”
    Such is the slow process of liberal republics, but it is progress.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Would rather end sex.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Gender at the individual level is not a real thing. What I mean by that is most people have traits of both sides so you can't really draw a concrete line.
    However, gender as a collectivist construct is real and will never go away as long as humans exist. You can imagine a stereotype of someone with only male characteristics but it's dumb to try and seek for this in indivuals. Doesn't mean that said person is not a man. It's something that works more within a spectrum. Most men, ok average have mostly male characteristics and most women on average have mostly female characteristics. Exceptions do not make the norm and just because you are outside the norm doesn't mean you aren't male or female or whatever that means. I actually think labelling gender as male or female is utterly moronic and a massive troon out confusion. It's a spectrum and completely arbitrary in many ways.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    no thank u, i like being and living as a woman

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's evil, impossible, and anti trans.

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