>tfw will never live in a comfy precolonial Native American village
>tfw will never live in a comfy precolonial Native American village
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The smallpox crap is fake
never forget what they took from us
how did they survive winters in north america with such little clothing? it just seems like they never wore clothes, i've never really come across anyone talk about winters for native americans
There's a movie with the irish actor dude about exactly this.
A white dude gets to live with indians. It rains a lot. I think the movie turns to shit later with action.
The new world about Pocahontas?
Yeah you're right I misremembered the premise I think
Its a good movie that's actually pretty accurate in regard to costumes and stuff but Pocahontas was actually a 11 year old e-boi at the time, I wish the actress was.
Smith you legend
It was frustration, too many lies of us sad within context. Even if no one had done anything, being that character is interesting to think about.
Dances with wolves?
There needs to be a game set in the precolonial americas. I will make this game
This, with the mound builders and Anasazi
Northwest Coast villages look comfy AF.
Hollywood producers gave the Indians in westerns totem poles because of how badass they looked, nevermind that southwestern Indians had never once seen a totem pole (or a teepee, or a feather warbonnet).
A buddy of mine created a prairie themed mod for Mount & Blade a long time ago. Not bad tbh
Nothing comfier then a algonquin longhouse
>no privacy
>socialoid gossipnagger hell
>women wore the brichess in the family.
>nothing to do aside from hunting, going to war sometimes and talkinv to people.
Sounds like hell to be honedt. But I am quite the asocial retard.
If you grow up in one of those societies then these things shouldn't matter to You.
Well if I grew up among isis fighters or papuan cannibals that wouldn't really matter to me either. However actual me right now finds such as society to be hell to live in.
Some eskimos lived in just small family groups basically as libertarian freemen
To not detract from the thread I'd like to add I'm pretty sure som california natives also lived like thise.
Native americans had the weirdest societies. It's looking into ancient prehistory.
The good old agricultureless state.
>I'm pretty sure som california natives also lived like thise
Yeah probably
California indians had some really comfy looking houses
Also in the amazon there were Lonewolf survivalist type nomads where a man would just hunt and survive with just him and his wife. Seems comfy as fuck as long as there aren't vicious cannibals around
I have to remind you the amazon is (as of relatively recently) a post apocaliptic wasteland kind of maybe.
There was something there anyway, however primitive, and it doesn't exist anymore.
Tbh it doesn't matter if you grow up in a highly collectivized society, if you have more of an individual disposition (Or have problems with being asocial) and that society doesn't give a shit then it's going to be hell for you no matter what.
t. asocial slav ruralfag.
Ideally you get culled before 10 years old.
How many native tribes even practiced infanticide anyway.
With luck one would carve out theirown little niche, maybe even as a magic man or something.
Dependson the native tribe you talk about of course.
Northwest, northeast, plains, etc, all radically different.
>infanticide
Could just be your parents gettingtired of your sensitive ass and "losing" you while on a stroll in the woods. Happens to this day.
>like 3 of them got on the boat
Maybe those are the outgoing members and the hikkikomori they didn't see was hiding in the longhouse.
Anyway I am not asocial in the usual way. I can be social not a weirdo or anything, however I dislike being with people too much.
Not wanting to deal with social homosexualry doesn't automatically make you some dysfunctional incel.
In one of the first expeditions the portuguese organized to brazil, they met a few natives, and like 3 of them got on the boat with them willingly to see the world.
I'd still suffer tbh but with luck I wouldn't be killed as a child unless I was born in the native equivalent of the imbangala.
>>no privacy
You have no privacy now retard. Your data is mined and you're in the census
gossipnagger hell
No one thinks about you when you aren't around. Grow up.
wore the brichess in the family
Depends on the tribe. Also hot af
to do aside from hunting, going to war sometimes and talkinv to people.
Literally anything you want to do with your 6 days of free time. Your lack of imagination is the problem.
>Sounds like hell to be honedt. But I am quite the asocial retard.
Clearly. Good thing you live a bug life, free from all this troublesome freedom
>You have no privacy now retard. Your data is mined and you're in the census
There's certain difference between living in the same quarters as 5 other families. And having some impersonal algorythm catalogue everything you do + having a goodgoy numberTM. Neither are good mind you. But I find one more bearable than the other.
>No one thinks about you when you aren't around. Grow up.
Regardless I dislike gossip and hearing about people I don't care about. I dislike webs of interpersonal relationships, feuds and all bullshit.
>Literally anything you want to do with your 6 days of free time. Your lack of imagination is the problem.
>Depends on the tribe. Also hot af
True but because anon was talking about algonquins at the time I brought it up. Also gay fetish.
>6 days of free time.
Where the fuck did you get that from, algonquins and the like practiced agriculture and had complex social structures. (I admit our sources on their customs are kind of biased because they're post contact&fur trade) but they spent a lot of time doing random shit such as in mourning raids. Although I guess they also did art on their free time.
>Clearly. Good thing you live a bug life, free from all this troublesome freedom
>Freedom
Sure buddy I bet you've lived village life.
I'm sure you'd enjoy great freedom in being enslaved and sacrificedin a potlach ritual or conversely being kidnapped and then sacrificed in a mourning raid.
Why so inflammatory anyway.
It's like I told you if you made a commune like that I'd dress in a miles standish cosplay And try to shoot all of you dead with like 10 of my buddies.
>There's certain difference between living in the same quarters as 5 other families.
No tribes did this. Tribals aren't Irish immigrants in New York you fucking retard.
>And having some impersonal algorythm catalogue everything you do + having a goodgoy numberTM.
That is then looked at by a government/corporate employee and sold to other data miners including the fucking government, which I assure you, has only your best interests in mind.
>Regardless I dislike gossip and hearing about people I don't care about.
No one is forcing you to hear it and the women in the tribe have far better things to talk about than Wide Open Valley and her dalliance with Man With Large Rooster
> I dislike interpersonal relationships
Must suck having no friends
>Also gay fetish
homosexual
>algonquins and the like practiced agriculture and had complex social structures.
Gardening doesn't take that much time and you could catch and kill everything you needed to feed yourself for the week in less than 18 hours. You had 5 to 6 days of complete and utter freedom every week in anything but the harshest desert. Retard.
>Sure buddy I bet you've lived village life.
I camped and fished for food and foraged mushrooms and berries, yeah. It was fucking great.
>I'm sure you'd enjoy great freedom in being enslaved
Crazy how you have to invoke being enslaved by rival tribes to make this life sound shitty. Not to mention I and every other man would have been a warrior since childhood and would have made it rather difficult for the other fags across the valley to fuck with us.
You literally need to confabulate the worst case scenario in order to justify your retarded fear of having a close knit community of people who are basically your family and have known you since birth working together with your mopey lonesome ass to have sex, camp, make art, dance, and enjoy life without any bother of taxes or bullshit work fucking it up and stealing your one life away from you.
I would rather live as a civilized member of a free society based on Constitutional principles than some primitive savage, one who doesn't even comprehend much less live up to his place in creation. There is more to life and more to wisdom than mere instinct.
All these guy did was explain some reasons why Christianity was always weak in the United States and is all but defeated there now. Constitutionalism is a weapon used against civilization much like the "freedom" you so fatuously uphold.
Claiming to be for freedom and civilization is nonsense, since increasing one always means decreasing the other. Even in the early republic, the Indians were much more free than the Americans. Freedom means being unshackled from all dependence and responsibility. It is found only in the wilderness, and it makes life meaningless.
>All these guy did was explain some reasons why Christianity was always weak in the United States
I would disagree, it actually shows how the churches have done so well there, because the church was never meant to feed from the state. That's why it's a stronghold of freedom today.
>and is all but defeated there now.
If you want to argue this, it is only gotten worse because of the new state church of "wokeism." When that unamerican ideology is defeated, freedom will only improve once again.
>Claiming to be for freedom and civilization is nonsense, since increasing one always means decreasing the other.
I would disagree because woke is not civilization. Woke is cutting up a child and calling them the opposite sex, and killing unborn babies in child sacrifices. The woke ideology is anti-freedom and unamerican and really has no place here.
>the Indians were much more free than the Americans.
Disagree because they were in the bonds of sin (just as we all were once) and not made free by Christ yet. That is where true freedom lies.
>Indians did it first and inspired the founding
Look up Magna Carta
>You go to an office and push papers around for 8 hours to be talked down to by some fag in a tie who has earned nothing
Doesn't matter because there is more to life than financial wealth. There is even more to life than simply having a family. If you aren't in Christ and worshipping our Lord, thankful and grateful for every day, I would argue that is a form of bondage in itself. When this world is burned and gone, all that will matter then is where we are going to spend eternity. I can be safe and secure in the saving knowledge of our Lord and Savior. It won't matter whether someone had more money or something like that.
"Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord:"
- Philippians 3:8
>they did it with nothing.
Who is "they" in this sentence? The noble savage motif? Get real, anon.
>civilized
You go to an office and push papers around for 8 hours to be talked down to by some fag in a tie who has earned nothing, then sit and take a car home to stare at a screen for hours before you fall asleep to do it again. You are not civilized. You're asleep.
>Constitutional principles
Indians did it first and inspired the founding of the American experiment. And obeying the dictates of a king is peak cuckoldry. More so if it's just an oligarch or lawyer who can trick people in a thousand other towns to vote against their own interests.
> one who doesn't even comprehend much less live up to his place in creation.
A warrior, a provider, a creator, a father, and a keeper of the Earth is a far more prestigious and fulfilling position to find yourself occupying in endless creation than a wage drone who will soon be automated away and exterminated by the people you call master.
>there is more to life and wisdom
Yet you haven't found it nor grasped it with every advantage available to you and they did it with nothing.
Bug people really are beyond reproach, I swear.
>No tribes did this. Tribals aren't Irish immigrants in New York you fucking retard.
>In an Haudenosaunee longhouse, there may have been 20 or more families which were all related through the mothers' side, along with the other relatives. All these families belonged to the same clan; each clan in a village had its own longhouse; the clans had branches in other villages.
And no just because it's extended family doesn't make it better. You seem rather unacquainted with at the very least eastern native american longhouses.
>That is then looked at by a government/corporate employee and sold to other data miners including the fucking government, which I assure you, has only your best interests in mind.
Still quite different from the extended family being privy to anything you do inside the house. As I said bith are terrible but are fundamentally different. One is for spreadsheet bug people and the other is for gossipcels.
>No one is forcing you to hear it and the women in the tribe have far better things to talk about than Wide Open Valley and her dalliance with Man With Large Rooster
Knowing women that last thing is false and fair enough. But I expect the gossip to be mostly directed at whatever other women/family group they dislike.
>Must suck having no friends
Doesn't really. Realized they're not all that was chalked up to be most of the time. I've had a couple of really solid friendships that I miss though.
>I camped and fished for food and foraged mushrooms and berries, yeah. It was fucking great.
Great, I'm glad you enjoyed it. But that's not what I was referring to. I was saying village not in the gay bugmannish "No goyslop or funkopops, I bet you didn't expect that HUH CHUD?" I mean't village as in the population agglomeration, maybe it's for you I don't know you.
cont because its getting too long.
>Crazy how you have to invoke being enslaved by rival tribes to make this life sound shitty. Not to mention I and every other man would have been a warrior since childhood and would have made it rather difficult for the other fags across the valley to fuck with us.
Mourning raids happened relatively commonly at the very least in the colonial period. Would be less of an apocalyptic frenzy before europeans of course, but the thing still happened. and if you got captured as male above the age of twelve your chances of getting actually adopted were slim. See natives, at least in the east obviously didn't wage war like we do/did. It's very different, a lot more raids, ambushes and coaliations rather than pitched battles with mighty standing armies. You can see something like that in the early anglo indian wars.
>You literally need to confabulate the worst case scenario in order to justify your retarded fear of having a close knit community of people who are basically your family and have known you since birth working together with your mopey lonesome ass to have sex, camp, make art, dance, and enjoy life without any bother of taxes or bullshit work fucking it up and stealing your one life away from you.
Not motivated enough to respond to this. At the moment.
>relatively commonly
Amoung which tribes?
>illiterate tries to tell me about tribal warfare
I did a dissertation on pre contact aboriginals of all stripes and the levels of violence within their societies. Violence existed, yeah. No one denies it. But it's not nearly as common as urbanized violence by virtue of basic numbers. Raids and skirmishes and actual wars were uncommon enough that they would be remarked upon when they happened. When niggas kill each other in my city, nobody even notices, because it happens every fucking day.
>not motivated enough
You're never motivated enough and likely never will be. You sleepwalk through life and die unsatisfied, and with good reason.
>I did a dissertation on pre contact aboriginals of all stripes and the levels of violence within their societies. Violence existed, yeah. No one denies it. But it's not nearly as common as urbanized violence by virtue of basic numbers.
Fair enough, I doubt that many people even died in it before fire-arms.
>When niggas kill each other in my city, nobody even notices, because it happens every fucking day.
Again fair enough you are right that by the sheer nature of scale less people are going to die (up until you hit the modern medicine threshold in which homicide attempts can keep increasing despite actual homicides being down like the UK and other such societies) the less people there are. However I got tunnel visioned and forgot these people existed before the 1600-1700s were everything was a runaway death spiral essentially. At least from what I've read of those times (Literlly just a book on the yamasee war as far as literature is concerned, I need to read more shit about virginia and new england colonies, interesting stuff). I honestly can't even really argue the brutality of violence has decreased much. Because well obviously it hasn't, arguably it's worse now with chainsaws and electricity.
>You're never motivated enough and likely never will be.
Shaddap I did pushup todays, going outside for 15 minutes put me off the mood of arguing that Akshually, I enjoy the weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Regardless even if real me did something with his life he'd probably not enjoy village life. (Of course a hypothetical me who was kidnapped by the iroquois when he was 3 and raised among them would probably fare much better)
what was the point of this discussion anyway.
Anon was being retarded and reductionist and cynical about living in a cozy pre-Columbian Aboriginal American tribe because he's asocial and prefers a israelite on a stick that wants you to kneel and ask forgiveness instead of worshipping Mother Earth by hunting and fishing and making badass art
I never said I was christian. Evict the israeli apocalyptic cult from your head anon. Or at least make them pay rent, they'll probably leave soon enough.
>Could just be your parents gettingtired of your sensitive ass and "losing" you while on a stroll in the woods. Happens to this day.
I guess. Probably happened relatively commonly, Can't confirm nor deny.
>Maybe those are the outgoing members and the hikkikomori they didn't see was hiding in the longhouse.
Ther indians of north eastern brazil didn't inhabit longhouses to my knowledge but you are right on the former. If space humans visisted out planet and held a very strange religious ceremony in your backyard I'd doubt you'd come out either.
But anyway I have to ask, why did my asocial retardation get you to say this, anyway. I will unleash the full autism of my fledgeling theories of mind and say you might have been trying to get me to change my behavior in some way. Which it'd be expect if I behaved like this in the real world, but this is online, I go here to not have this type of interaction. But maybe it's good that I have them once every often, more material for writting. Still puzzling to me you reacted like this to some random homosexual on the internet. I guess you are really passionate with your belief that longhouse life was the comfyest (and maybe the best but idk how you actually feel about that) way to live as a human.
Reminds me of a quite funny Idea I had for the iroquois in one of my althist scenarios. Long story short the iroquois had more breathing room to exist before the arrival of european colonists, and these colonists didn't have gunpowder at the time. They develop their own little organized religion that considered their system the god given system, and of course, this system had to be spread all over the world. If necessary, by force. They're pretty enthusiastic about conversion.
Glad you are.
They had iron working.
>I never said I was christian
Sorry m8 thought you were
>the full autism of my fledgeling theories of mind
OK Xavier
>Still puzzling to me you reacted like this
just saying that you won't last long anyway so don't get too scared of that hell
>They develop their own little organized religion
read about it and they did have an organised shamanic system already, but it's more focused on medicine than philosophy
>just saying that you won't last long anyway so don't get too scared of that hell
Unecessary regardless.
>read about it and they did have an organised shamanic system already, but it's more focused on medicine than philosophy
Yeah that's what I mean, religion inmy autismo timeline had more breathing room to develop on all fronts, which includes some sort of philosophy and theology.
And the comment about hikkis not getting adventure while true was kind of weird (to me) too. I''ll be honest.
Nothing - you're both just pseuds and fags making bait threads. This entire board is just /misc/ but slow.
>You have no privacy now retard. Your data is mined and you're in the census
That's quite different from having my own room with a door I can shut when I want to jack off in peace. Instead of living with 5 other families in a long house who are just fucking in front of everyone else, including their own children.
Kind of crazy to think that this was basically standard for all of history, since most people lived in a one room hut with the whole family.
>Instead of living with 5 other families in a long house who are just fucking in front of everyone else, including their own children.
What tribes did this?
The iroquois kind of. Kind of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_Mound
I recently climbed atop this mountain of shellfish shells, the largest in the U.S. Apart from the occasional hurricane, it must have been ultra comfy lying on a Florida beach slurping oysters.
True, I find the calusa indians fascinating
My local museum built an Ojibwa longhouse and it's pretty fucking cozy to just walk through. With a couple fires going and some furs across the doorwaya, I could imagine lasting a winter in one of these (though the lack of privacy for the families would be a bit more than cabin-fever)
>don't have to live in the dirt with a bunch of bronze age savages where there's a high chance the next tribe over will kill me anyway
Can't complain
Pre-colonial native death rates are assumed to be pretty low as far as combat goes, now getting sacrificed in a mourning raid was the truly horrible faith.
>Have a toothache
>Die a week later
Yeah, sounds amazing.
I would have gotten melanoma and died pretty quickly
>neighboring tribe gets bored
>burns down your village and scalps everyone just for the fuck of it
yeah, so comfy
>get to see booba every day
But you don't have a taboo attraction to booba in that society so it's like seeing a bitch's elbow.
3/10 lifestyle
you're white so you wouldn't get it
I'm thankful for that every day.
Is that all you can think about is cocks you fucking homosexual? I demand that you stop wearing modern textiles and stop using electricity and computers, you are appropriating my culture.
No thanks, I don't take orders from white people
Maybe if you did you'd be less of a blithering idiot.
It hasn't worked for you so I doubt it'll work for me.
>no u
Oh no you got me. I think we're done here.
I remember saying the same thing to your trailer park sow of a sister after I creamed her peach
Nice headcannon cope. We both know you are bitter that you aren't white though. Sucks to suck.
I am white, retard
I just wanted to squirt my load in a wet hole and your sister was offering hers for ten pennies. Who could resist a sale like that?
>I am white
More headcannon cope from the stupid little homosexual. I don't have a sister btw, post nose.
Lmao eat shit trailer trash
>that monkey arm
You are owned.
I said post nose, mutant
Sorry anon but I don't take orders from retarded homosexuals
I nearly just vomited at the mental image of your weird, froggy little hands desperately slapping away this post.
Sounds like absolute weakness on your part anon
>wristlet
LMAOOOO
Let's see your wrists anon
>getting my BA in Indigenous Studies
Aside from catty wars between certain tribes and survival off the land becoming difficult in places where icy winters or desert summers, pre-colonial Native living seems comfy as fuck. Places with water systems especially like mesoamericas seems comfy as all hell. They had the biggest city in the world at one point and water systems but without all this capitalist dogma, it just would have been better off this place was untouched by the whites.
my BA in Indigenous Studies
I hope this is bait
It's a good degree when you want to scam heyahoyas off their land and build another oil field.
>Mfw I only barely passed "Sneaking firewater through the rez police" class of mmy indigenous studies course and I'm probably going to fail "Buying entire mineral and oil deposits for the steep price of one single mirror and 50 plastic beads."
I'm ngmi.
that's not how you do it, you give oil companies the impression it is ok to build on your land then after they have invested millions kick up dust over how you were scammed and environmental damage and shut down the project until they pay you a bigger cut
>you give oil companies the impression
No that's for the business degree.
Stay mad I’m having a great undergrad experience
Insane how these savages were living like total neolithic retards when to their south, there were developed, organised societies with vast cities and complex cultures, and across the Atlantic you had the MIGHTY EUROPEAN, TURK, CHINAMAN etc.
>total neolithic retards
Germoids were ooga boogas too when they had imperial rome as a neighbor.
>Go on a date? Sure anon, I would love to
youd die of disease and be a peasant xddd
I just want a Native waifu
Thank God
As an act of conciliation with the two spergs who took issue with my cynicism, I made you a 'jak depicting me.
Painter's name is lewis parker
I unironically want to participate in a tribal cannibal feast before I die, and the fact that I almost certainly won't get the chance is a real downer.
get into anthropology, travel to papua and hope you don't go the way of rockefeller.
When you say participate in a cannibal feast, do you mean participate, or "participate" participate, if you get my meaning.
I want to hang out with indigenous bros and eat somebody. Bonus points if we eat an American.
you are the American tho
Yeah but I wouldn't eat myself though, bro. That would be silly. I mean another American.
>American
Too much cholesterol.
It's probably okay to eat Americans infrequently on special occasions. I wouldn't eat them as part of my daily diet.
>The smallpox crap is fake
newfag
Imagine the period smells while sharing the long house with women during hot summer nights.
iirc some Iroquois cultures (and possibly others?) had a practice where a woman would have to go live in a little hut by herself and use everything separate from others while she was on her period
I wonder why Iroquois women didn't smash the patriarchy.
They did, just the other tribe's patriarchy.