>tfw I learned about genocides committed by Maori
Wtf why do people keep glorifying tribals with such a violent and abhorrent past? Media makes it seem that they were never even in a war
>tfw I learned about genocides committed by Maori
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Why view yourself through a myopic lens of being the "good guy?"
Why would you act like a nagger? Look at where it got the maoris
You're insane
How am I insane? It's a completely valid question, why would you chimp out like that and harm your fellow man? It's not productive, it doesn't serve any meaning, ie it makes you look like a nagger
Ignorance or some sort of mental illness when they know but don't care and choose to rationalize it. I think it's mostly the former. Also it doesn't matter if it really happened because leftoids think all "indigenous" peoples are wholesome good boys.
??? Seems to have worked out pretty alright considering they're a protected class and they didn't die of smallpox or something. Other anon is right there are no good or bad guys, at least not when it comes to group conflict. It's not the same with individuals because you need order and stability within the in-group otherwise society couldn't exist, everyone can't just go around murdering each other, whereas with an out-group that's not a concern. For example, Viking Age Scandinavians could go raiding in a foreign land whereas in their own polity that would be illegal and make them outlaws.
>Other anon is right there are no good or bad guys, at least not when it comes to group conflict
Ok spook. I bet you think nazis dindunuthing or can't be called the baddies too
War isn't genocide anon and by efficiency you mean the subduing of enemy forces with minimal enemy casualties.
>I bet you think nazis dindunuthing or can't be called the baddies too
They can, but people rarely apply the same standard consistently. The USA at least historically has to be close with everything that happened to Native Americans alone. It's a long list of baddies all over the world and it hasn't always been considered self-evident that they were baddies at all. I think it's silly to think of things that way but that's just me.
>The USA at least historically has to be close with everything that happened to Native Americans alone
Nope, they haven't.
>It's a long list of baddies all over the world and it hasn't always been considered self-evident that they were baddies at all
It has. There are nations with moderately clean histories, even ones that are or were empires at one point (US, UK, Sweden etc etc) and then there are countries with horrible savage histories like China, Russia, Germany etc etc
>Nope, they haven't.
German plan for the east is basically just the trail of tears and turning everyone into slaves instead of reservations. Is it the Holocaust specifically that makes them the big bad?
>clean histories
>US
Nope.
>UK
Nope.
>Sweden
fucked up the poles
>horrible savage histories like China, Russia, Germany etc etc
What did China and Russia do?
>German plan for...
Or rape of Belgium? WW1? Germ*ns have a lot to answer for.
>Nope
Yes, yes, yes. Name one thing that's comparable to Germany, ONE
>fucked up the poles
Through no fault of their own.
>What did China and Russia do?
Current CCP was directly responsible for Korean war, massive starvation and the cultural revolution. By Russia I was referring to the Soviet Union which was responsible for the 2nd world war
To add to this, killing is killing and when it's a lot of killing, particularly civilians, I don't think the method or even the motivation really matters much. That's why the Holocaust is at best only unique because of the outward circumstances and methods used, but not morally much worse than any number of historical Genghis Khan type brutes. It's certainly no worse than
>Or rape of Belgium? WW1?
That's just typical war shit that everyone does. Lame. WW1 isn't any one nation's fault.
>Name one thing that's comparable to Germany, ONE
Second Anglo-Boer War. Just one?
>Through no fault of their own.
now this is a dindunuffin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(history)#Destruction_of_the_Commonwealth
>Current CCP was directly responsible for Korean war, massive starvation and the cultural revolution. By Russia I was referring to the Soviet Union which was responsible for the 2nd world war
Alright, fair but not even I would say the Soviets started WW2. You can blame Germany there.
I don't disagree. I don't believe in the good guy/bad guy dichotomy when it comes to conflict between nations, at least not as an observer. Obviously your enemy in a war is always the "bad guy" in that sense.
>That's just typical war shit that everyone does.
No it's not
>Lame. WW1 isn't any one nation's fault.
It's explicitly German fault, how is this even up for debate?
>Second Anglo-Boer War
If you're talking about concentration camps then it can be dismissed since the human loss that resulted from them wasn't the official policy akin to the israeli extermination.
>now this is a dindunuffin
Destruction or theft of property isn't nearly as bad as the destruction or theft of people which can be attributed to the Russians.
>but not even I would say the Soviets started WW2. You can blame Germany there
True but Germany wouldn't have been in a position to start the war without Stalinist backroom deals.
>No it's not
I'll concede this for now just because I can't be bothered to check further at this time.
>It's explicitly German fault
Why? They were compelled to join because of their alliance with Austria-Hungary. WW1 was just an almost inevitable clash between European Imperial powers.
>it can be dismissed since the human loss that resulted from them wasn't the official policy akin to the israeli extermination.
So putting a bunch of women and children in an open air prison where they die of starvation and disease to further the aims of your imperialist war is just a big oopsie? I don't see much of a difference here. Both have ill intent and the outcome is the same. At the very least Germany's official aim wasn't extermination at first either which is little comfort to anyone who died in a German concentration camp from similar causes other than execution.
>which can be attributed to the Russians.
Something I'll again concede for now for the same reason as above, but I somehow doubt the Swedes just stopped at looting with not one Polish hair out of place.
>Why? They were compelled to join because of their alliance with Austria-Hungary. WW1 was just an almost inevitable clash between European Imperial powers.
The guy you're arguing with ain't very bright and I don't agree with his overall point, but come on now
Germany wasn't "complelled" to shit.
Germany basically instigated the Austro-Serbian War to get an excuse to attack everyone around and start the "big war" they had been wanting for years.
It seems disingenuous to exclude everything else that happened from Franz Ferdinand's assassination up to July 23 as evidence that Germany was the reason Austria-Hungary sent the ultimatum to Serbia.
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go back to LULZ and /misc/ you sad little troll
> Moderately clean histories
> Names US and UK
Hahahahaha lmao the state of this board
Whites fought wars of conquest and dealt justly with defeated races.
No other group on the planet has EVER given a defeated race special rights and privileges over their won people.
Nothing about Germany was savage, they were a product of their times and had very little choice. They were not going out of their way to wipe out other groups just for the purpose of expanding their own nation, Even the Lebensraum had relocation as its primary method of dealing with organized slav'ry.
The israelites were enemies.
Similar to China and Russia, they were not just wiping people out for petty reasons. They had exhausted other options.
It is because tribals default to total death struggle that makes them barbarian.
You had me in the first half and then the rest was just sore loser cope. You will never be a superpower.
America is a superpower
>fucked over
Nope. If they are still around, then by historical metrics, they were not fucked.
The normal trend in history would be total extermination of them as a distinct people.
Can you name another race which gives defeated races special rights and programs over their own citizens?
>Can you name another race which gives defeated races special rights and programs over their own citizens?
Oh no it's this autist.
>uhhh sweaty Indians favoring indians is actually identical to North Europeans giving special rights to Siberians because
because????
There has yet to be an exception to this.
Whites are the only race which will give special rights and privileges to a defeated race.
What? Yes it would.
That is where most populations end up, extinct by mass rape or mass killing.
>The normal trend in history would be total extermination of them as a distinct people.
>That is where most populations end up, extinct by mass rape or mass killing.
sometimes I end up wondering if LULZ actually reads history or just repeats pophis shit.
>The normal trend in history would be total extermination of them as a distinct people.
What? No it wouldn't.
>Whites fought wars of conquest and dealt justly with defeated races
How can you say that in a thread about Maoris lol, the colonial government even fucked over tribes/iwis that helped it against other tribes/iwis
It never happened but it should have.
Whites simultaneously brag about their efficiency at war and berate others for theirs at the same time. Methinks thou doth protest too much, nagger.
What did the Māori do that most societies didn’t engage in? Be specific.
But NZ colonists treated the Maori well, they respected them unlike the retarded abos of Australia
>genocides committed by Maori
Made up bullshit, literally no trace of that.
They ate the evidence
There was one, not plural. Chatham Islands.
>tfw I learned about genocides committed by Belgians
Wtf why do people keep glorifying tribals with such a violent and abhorrent past? Media makes it seem that they were never even in a war
I'm not a hypocrite
My heroes are the nazis, crusaders, romans, and vikings
Let the Maori be proud of their warrior heritage
The weak don't deserve to live
>The weak don't deserve to live
Why?
Also nazis were weak and lost anyway. Their weakness was their delusions, Hitler believed Russians were subhumans and easy to conquer, he believed everyone was against him because israelites were magical pixies manipulating everyone. He was retarded, and that's a weakness.
Fuck you israelite
>the weak don't deserve to live
>my heroes are the Nazis [...]
Anon, I...
That's why they haven't existed for 80 years
>my heroes are the Nazis
>the weak don't deserve to live
What causes this level of severity in mental retardation cases?
lack of pussy
>genocide
there's no real evidence whatsoever.
They have a literal "i am gonna eat you" battle dance
every group of people alive today genocided the people living on the land before them. At a certain point you can't be so myopic about revisiting the past and realize that the maoris celebrating their heritage is little different from Russians being proud of their Circassian-genociding government, Chinese being proud of their Dzungar-genociding government, or westerners being proud of their Celt-genociding Roman heritage
>every group of people alive today genocided the people living on the land before them.
Incorrect. A couple examples:
>Icelanders just showed up on a barren rock
>Afro-Caribbeans were brought as slaves to their islands but ended up inheriting the nations. They did not commit any genocide.
"Everyone committed genocide" is cope from white settler-colonial societies desperate to deny the unique evil of their nation's creation.
>noooo you can't just point out that we actually always were savages
>noooooo you're white you can't just settle here like we did noooo
There's nothing evil about the creation of Australia. And yet, "Westerners" will tell me about my country and it's history, not knowing a single fact about the history/society/culture/geography. People want an easy explanation. An easily digestable narrative so they don't have to think so much, which is fair enough. It's a shame
>white settler-colonial societies
They want their "rough and tough frontier" foundational myth but ignore all the baggage and problematic parts of it because of it's inconvenience.
For example Rhodesia tried to make one up but the real reality was that pretty much no one in the state was actually there for long and the actual history of "Cecil Rhodes started shit, got land and tried running a state, and failed miserably so the empire once again had to take control another "poorly planned private venture" bail out".
(continued) wasn't really appealing or rolled off the tongue.
>but ignore all the baggage and problematic parts of it because of it's inconvenience
I don't, I endorse all of it. That's actually how it used to be. We need to jettison all the PragerU pussies who refuse to bite the bullet and respond to all this with a "Yes, and?".
>baggage
>problematic
>HECKIN RACISM
>Icelanders just showed up on a barren rock
False, recent studies show Celts were there already
>Afro-Caribbeans were brought as slaves to their islands but ended up inheriting the nations. They did not commit any genocide.
They cleansed Whites and native Taino during their wars for independence. Try again.
Maori definitely aren't natives though.
I CREATED SNOKE
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I don't know much about this subject but this sounds like one of those lies that colonizers make up to justify colonization
It's real
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriori_genocide
Moriori were settler colonizers that had it coming and besides I hear they called a Maori the N word.
That's just a tribe of Maori that rekt another tribe of Maori, and they bounced back from it a couple of decades later. They didn't even get it as bad as the Tasmanians despite the much smaller pop size.
absolute unit
Colonization is self justifying.
>the idea anyone ever committed an atrocity before heckin' wypipo arrived is absurd to me
>it sounds like propaganda they would have made before anyone here was born
>which is why I should get hired over that white boy who is more qualified than me in the present
hmm, nah, it's the other way around, you've been fed this "woke" view for propaganda purposes
The one front and centre looks like a israelite to me.
Only white people get demonised for things their ancestors did
if it's true then where are the bomes?
Look, I think everyone knows that life in premodern Polynesia wasn't just lying on the beach all day in a tropical paradise eating coconuts.
>I learned about genocides committed by Maori
It was war and those groups were actually still Maori. Stop trying to find genocide in everything you see when it's convenient to you homosexual.
Why are there so many Maori genocide deniers ITT? They literally ate the Moriori...
The Moriori weren't the "original New Zealanders" though, and for the
>Yeah but muh legends of red-haired fairies
Does this look like an Irishman/Scot to you?
Seethe
>Maori
I keep seeing this ethinicity in major hollywood movies and they are the go to actors to play as mexicans/greeks/italians/south americans or other minority. Whats with the massive obsession on them in american media these days.
I don't know but you cannot watch a mid action movie nowadays without being reminded that in fact The rock is samoan.
>Ethnically ambiguous goofy looking "indigenous" people smart enough to be authentic but dumb enough to shill consumerism and aren't manlets are a popular choice of ethnic casting in cinema
Kek
I mean didn't the same thing happen in the americas? Not as knowledgeable about them but iirc native american tribes butchered each other all the time, and I wouldn't be surprised if the same happening to different groups in south america, or with australia's aboriginals
There are 3 more parts in Youtube, pretty much explains how the Brits made a deal with the Taranaki Maoris and claim they were here first and the Maoris will accede to the Crown in all matters.
Also there were apparently giants and other hoohaas along with a whole another people who colonized NZ before the Maoris.
The entirety of Te Reo Maori is a language made up by "reasearchers and Experts" in the 70's after they spent all of 40s 50s and 60s outlawing and punishing all people who spoke the original maori and made a sterilized language that has no accent, no dialects and simply claim that this is the same language they spoke 200 years ago.
Its all fucking retarded nonsense. If you guys had any idea how much land is at stake for all of this you will understand.
They have sold entire hectares to wealthy overseas cunts for their secret bunkers.
Pic attached is a secret mansion that has underground areas, you cannot see this property from the road, you can go check on Google Maps, its owned by one of the richest banking families in NZ starting with S.
You have no idea how many of these rich dirty fucks are here, and the Conservation department has been infiltrated by corporatists who want the NZ land to be given over to a corporate friendly entity who can sell the land for cheaper rates and that entity is the local Iwi tribes who just want cash, or else the NZ legislature and taxpayers will demand more from the Corporates buying this land. But with Maoris you have a convenient legal and cultural shield where you can exploit resources until the shield realizes its too late.
I don't know how to break this to you but giants aren't real, anon. Think you fell for a schizopost.