Ready for your daily dose of Terf Island hell? The UK is objectively the worst country to be trans in the western world.
Stealthing is now illegal in the UK, and if you pass too well and dont tell your partner, you can go to prison.
Relationships uncensored
Ready for your daily dose of Terf Island hell? The UK is objectively the worst country to be trans in the western world.
Stealthing is now illegal in the UK, and if you pass too well and dont tell your partner, you can go to prison.
If you have srs you're immune
Incorrect. Ftm with a vegana was sent to prison. Lack of penis is no defence
That's an ftm who hasn't had srs. So clearly not
>guy has sex with girl
>guy finds out that this girl is transgender later on
>goes to police and says she didn't disclose her transgender status
Could this happen?
It literally has happend, and prople have been sent to prison over it
No it's never happened it only happened in your imagination because you wanted to happen because you're envious. Tell me your motivation is anything other than Envy?
Did they have SRS?
Sounds fake but i don't think one should keep it hidden, not that it should be enforced.
Not fake, a legal precedent has been set.
If someone you have sexual contact with says you didnt disclose your trans status, you can be prosecuted
sauce where
Sauce
https://www.complicity.co.uk/blog/2013/06/court-of-appeal-confirms-stealth-trans-people-having-sex-are-criminals/
This is fine. Trannies will just have to be super careful. Disclose always. No stealthing. Add a chat i naturally approve. More meat will find its way on to or plates.
This is fine. Trannies will just have to be super careful. Disclose always. No stealthing. As a chaser, i naturally approve. More meat will find its way on to or plates.
>The UK is objectively the worst country to be trans in the western world.
not if the caribbean is part of the western world
jamaica gives you ten years for having gay sex and i'm pretty sure has lynchings
>should trans people have to disclose their birth gender before sex?
Yes. Otherwise it's rape.
>Yes. Otherwise it's rape.
What if i do wanna get raped by a troon?
then it wouldn't be rape
no but i wanna get raped, i don't wanna get conseually sexed, dummyhead
Wanting means it's consensual. What you want is a PARADOX, it can never happen as long as logic exists.
I will simply convince myself that i don't want it then after getting raped i'll delight myself over the experience, checkmated fancywoerds.
This. I can't believe any alternate view is seriously being considered.
Yep, get drunk, meet lad, have sex, three weeks later get arrested for "rape", sent to a male prison, where you are actually brutally raped to the point where you need stitches, get put on the sex offender register, have a criminal record which limits job opportunities or countries you can emmigrate to.
All because you let someone frick you. This is England.
If you coerce someone into under false pretenses, you are raping them. So yes, it should be a crime. It's the same as if a 25 years old told a 15 year old they were also 15 and they had sex, yes, they should be arrested for rape because that's what it is.
>coerce
What if the guy aggreasively pursues the mtf? Threatens to harm them if they dont give them sex? Then later finds out they raped a tranner?
Well the burden of proof is on the tranner to prove they were raped, but failure to disclose is taken at the word of the accuser.
In your warped mind, this is fair. You are insane, and a disgrace to your parents
>Well the burden of proof is on the tranner to prove they were raped, but failure to disclose is taken at the word of the accuser.
To make it clearer, the rapist is free to go, the raped mtf is imprisoned for "not disclosing"
>What if the guy aggreasively pursues the mtf?
Then he's raping
>Threatens to harm them if they dont give them sex?
That's also raping
>Then later finds out they raped a tranner?
He still is the rapist in this scenario
Ofcourse its raping. The point is that british law automatically presumes guilt in the transgender person, but rape has be proven.
>rape has be proven
>they actually believe this in the year of 2023
Do your research on how many trans women are raped and the cases dismissed. Not cis women, trans.
>Threatens to harm them if they dont give them sex? Then later finds out they raped a tranner?
Rape is illegal. So who ever is raping, yes, gets in trouble. This isn't hard to understand unless you're a Tumblrsexual who thinks chromosomes are some republican conspiracy
>Then later finds out they raped a tranner?
Obviously they have raped each other!
Will be fun to see a israeliteess go to prison after a Muslim finds out he fricked an infidel. Oh wait... Would that count as rape for you? If not, why not? Surely you don't have double standards
I can't tell if this is satire or not.
Why are you defending rape and sex under false pretenses so much? I'm genuinely interested.
Nice. You're the funny kind of rapist, I see
So you think if a israelite has sex with a Muslim without disclosing that she is a israelite it is rape??? Very cool. Bet you're a real sweet person with a good heart. Not evil at all. No sir
Remind me how religion in that case is related to sex? I'm not seeing the connection. That's one hell of a moronic false equivalency if you're making the comparison of "lying about your religion to have sex" and "lying about your sex organs and sex to have sex" as similar, coequal terms
Anon tried really hard to come up with the most racist hypothetical possible.
Should everyone have their chromosomes tested to be sure that they're not intersex before being legally allowed to hookup then? Assuming they all pass as women, how is it different to have sex with a cis non intersex woman, a cais woman, and a post op trans woman? Physically there is no difference to you and you would never know without genetic testing or them telling you, and with cais women it's possible for them to not even know and still lie to you.
They understand that they're just extremely jealous of post-op transsexuals they somehow have to make post-op surgery less important and Powerful. Legally it's the thing that turns you from mail to female I don't know about the other side but I know the one I went through permitted me to change my birth certificate from M to F
Oh I forgot about that
So these laws won't work for trans women who have changed their birth certificate
Did you really lose the point so quickly?
It's about lying, not about not knowing.
Then you go off into word vomit of
>cis non intersex cais post op woman
and... mate, there are men and women. That's all there is to it. If you lie to somebody about sexual matters in order to have sex with them, you're at the least ethically and morally repugnant, and at worst a racist. No amount of validation from queer studies professors or Tumblr is going to change that. I don't even care if people identify and live as trans. Live your own life however you'd like, who cares? But when you start to manipulate and coerce under false pretenses to engage in sex, yes, you are at the very least skirting the line of being a rapist. It's stick.
> If you lie to somebody about sexual matters in order to have sex with them, you're at the least ethically and morally repugnant, and at worst a racist.
A racist? Bad troll
Sorry
>rapist
That's actually legally rape in some countries if there is some form of marriage pretense lol but anyway, false equivalency
Why is it false equivalency? Both are characteristics that you learn via a DNA test that might make someone not want to fug you or even feel disgusted for having done so
>Why is it false equivalency? Both are characteristics that you learn via a DNA test
Not really true. You might be not aware of it but israeli ancestry among Muslim populations in the middle east is incredibly common actually. So in addition to being a false equivalency it's also incredible ignorant and lowkey racist.
> So in addition to being a false equivalency it's also incredible ignorant and lowkey racist
Lmao you cry racism because you have no argument beyond le trannies bad. Despicable.
The evil inside you will fester and eat you alive until you can't function. You'll die a bitter angry little shut in and be eaten by your pet cat.
Rape and racism are bad.
>The evil inside you will fester and eat you alive until you can't function. You'll die a bitter angry little shut in and be eaten by your pet cat.
Sounds like the worst case of projection ever. Awfully specific. Who talks like this? 'The evil will fester'? Lmao, cool it down with the anime lingo, sis.
Yes, I think that would indeed be rape. It's pretty consistent. I don't understand why wouldn't you considered it rape.
Because of your post app there's no way that you can penetrate anybody. Rape is so also a condition where one is forced to have sex by the more powerful other
I think we're mature enough to recognize "rape" can include other instances that do not necessarily include penetration, but if you want to be anal about it (see that? Pretty clever huh?) We can call it sexual assault or abuse to distinguish it from rape.
That would be fine calling it anything sexual abuse or even sodomy is okay but saying it's rape. Refuses acknowledgment of the historical meaning of the word rape which is penetration by a male fallacy into the vegana of a female with Force.
>If not, why not? Surely you don't have double standards
It does not change the nature of the sexual act
A person's birth sex can
I have a vegana it literally does nothing different except we don't have to worry about babies
a neo vegana is not a vegana for quite a few reasons
False equivalency for something obviously not equivalent
That isn't what cis men are ordering when they want pussy
yeah, most people don't get what they want out of any relationship that's why they mostly fail. Can I call it rape if you pretend to be nice then turn out to be mean? cis men are the most fragile snowflakes lmao
no, again doesn't change the nature of the sex act
not actually having any of the genital tissue agreed upon or having stds or not using contraception
all rape though
this is how most courts define rape by deception anyway
LMFAO karen cishet complaining about tissue types now, GET A GRIP HON
>I am gonna put my dick in first and then complain later.
Yeah, that's how deception tends to work.
Herpes would make someone do exactly that.
>wtf you have herpes
>wtf that's not actually veganal tissue
>wtf you didn't wear a condom
non-consensual sexual contact is rape
fine by me if you serve synthetic vag crafted out of nutsack and/or intestinal tissue
just don't mislead consumers who think it's organic
wtf your pussy is an outie pussy I wanted an innie pussy I have been raped!
Well I haven't yet I am gonna put my dick in first and then complain later.
Maybe you don't realize there is no actual veganal tissue in a neovegana - it's inherently histologically different
You think "ah, but it should feel the same"
stealther logic
you could use this same dumb argument for sticking it in your ass instead of your vegana
and it'd still be rape
The opposite actually happened in Israel. A Palestinian Muslim told a woman he was israeli to have sex with her, then got prosecuted for rape by deception.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/04/saber-kushour-rape-deception-release
that's because Israel is a fascist ethnostate that does apartheid against Palestinian people and hates Muslims. Same way the US is a cis hetero white male fascist ethnostate in the making if Republicans get their way
except one of those the end result is rape, and the other is just you thinking you're gay.
Being trans is not a false pretence.
yeah pretty much. Sorry but if that dude is looking to have sex with a woman, and you know it, decided not to say anything, and then he finds out, yeah that's rape. Because he wouldn't have had sex with you otherwise. Can you point to any flaw in this logic?
Not a troony and not that anon, but I wouldn't agree with your argument.
Just because someone might not have sex with you if you told them additional information about your life doesn't mean you raped them.
I have an ostomy bag because of ulcerative colitis. I keep it covered with a belt and it's airtight so there isn't an odor to it. Would it be rape if I didn't tell a girl I had sex with that I had intestinal surgery and have an ostomy bag under a belt around my abdomen?
I probably would disclose this after getting to know someone in the future, but I don't think it'd be rape if I didn't disclose that.
>Just because someone might not have sex with you if you told them additional information about your life doesn't mean you raped them
Yeah it does mean you raped them
>I have an ostomy bag because of ulcerative colitis. I keep it covered with a belt and it's airtight so there isn't an odor to it. Would it be rape if I didn't tell a girl I had sex with that I had intestinal surgery and have an ostomy bag under a belt around my abdomen?
That depends if you were aware that girl wouldn't have sex with you if she knew you had an ostomy bag.
>All because you let someone frick you
Under false and coercive pretenses! Just disclose and everyone will be happy!
How is it false? If you transition you are your gender. Your position is inherently transphobic.
Theres a reason people dont disclose, and that's because we often get attacked
>How is it false?
I was not informed on your sex assigned at birth.
>If you transition you are your gender
Gender is a meaningless word. I want to know your sex assigned at birth. Not whether you put on "mens" or "womens" Levi's today. This an extremely relevant question to the topic of dating.
>Your position is inherently transphobic
Nope. A respect for consent is in no way transphobic.
>Theres a reason people dont disclose, and that's because we often get attacked
Then disclose over text. Disclose with a friend nearby. I dunno get creative and stay safe. You are more likely to be attacked from non-disclosure than from disclosure. People tend to react negatively to sexual assault.
The truly sad part: I have no problem full on dating a tranner, but only if she discloses first.
I hope u don't call yourself straight if u ever think of the trannies penis in a sexual way, that would be gay, or making u bi at best... PLEASE don't say you're straight thats rape and big ick
This whole post is an ick.
It is fine to be gay just don't lie about it big ick honey
You sound mad, suggest taking no less than three chill pills and taking a nap. Godspeed anon(ette).
Sounds like I hurt your fragile masculinity and u feel insecure being called gay for liking wiener and balls. It is gay anon lol
Women can have wieners, sweaty.
You think I care about being called gay, on the gay board? Do you know where we are right now?
"straight" chasers do, anon, also idk which anon u are so no most do not but they do
I don't care about your kind it's funny to poke their fragile masculinity
Again I say you sound quite mad and recommend chill pills + nap. Maybe add in a sip of self reflection about why proper disclosure was this triggering to you.
After all, consent is sexy!
Likewise on the whole "if u like wiener you're gay" and constantly replying to my quips.
I do agree proper self disclosure is correct I've advocated for it throughout the thread with the addendum of "straight" (gay) chasers who turn into bottoms disclosing because they are gay and its gross/rape.
>and constantly replying to my quips
I replied because you seemed to disagree with my fundamental premise on disclosure, not because you called me gay. I wouldn't have even given you a cheeky reply had I known that from the start.
In other words in this discussion you have raped me by not disclosing your opinions on disclosure.
I did not I don't really care I'm married
lmao I hate u for making me laugh, have a good night ig
>lmao I hate u for making me laugh, have a good night ig
You too anon, this has been one my favorite threads of the night.
i’m glad you are done talking to yourself
Why would you not tell the lad that you're AMAB if you're so worried?
I don't have sex with lads I'm not a pedophile
>Yep, get drunk, meet lad, have sex
In your setup, going to prison is completely avoidable by just not having drunk sex with strange.
On that note, I have found that many complaints about sexual freedom from lefties can be solved by simply not fricking strange while heavily intoxicated. In fact, the preponderance of complaints about sexual freedom are similarly resolved.
>Theres a reason people dont disclose, and that's because we often get attacked
Have you considered you get attacked because no one but you agrees with
>If you transition you are your gender.
>Have you considered you get attacked because no one but you agrees with
>>If you transition you are your gender.
>transphobia exists therefore its justified
?????
there is not a single situation its relevant except maybe having kids, but even so disclosing being trans is not necessary because there's literally millions of infertile cis women
you are insane
It's coercion. No different than a married man taking off his ring when he goes out to a bar.
It's inherently scummy as that knowledge may have changed their consent.
that's not rape though lol nice job defeating your own argument though
>all posters are the same people
no you did it all in the same post, doesn't matter if different anons lol
So married men that cheat should be thrown in prison for almost a decade?
Summary execution would be preferable.
I mean cheaters deserve punishment lol but ya... it's not rape
Getting fricked out by a chaser that then lies "i never knew" is also not rape
anon you're barking up the wrong tree I agreed with u dumdum
Did you? Oh sorry. Its literally 01:20 here
hard fricking agree.
this thread is a bunch of entitled predators.
they exploit the fact that trannies are a fringe group and a minority. they know that they're not on most guy's mental radars, so guys aren't vigilantly declaring their desired intent to not frick trannies in an obvious way. so they know that they can find a guy who would otherwise not consent to sex with them and they know that if they just stay quiet, they'll slip in under the radar. this is absolutely rape. it's intentional manipulation, lying by omission, so they can get laid.
the reason the superstraight people make trannies so buttmad is that they put this preference out, so they really know they can't frick them without obviously raping them. but for the rest of the guys who obviously don't wanna frick trans, they're banking entirely on men just not thinking about it. disgusting
what is a guy lies about being a millionaire to sleep with a girl
I wish someone would rescue me from this shit hole island. I hate living here, each day it gets worse and worse. How long until we are put into camps?
Holy shit. I am so so so so so fricking glad I don't live there. I am so sorry for you all.
I am not comfortable disclosing my trans status until I truly truly trust someone. It freaks me out to be touched by people who know I'm trans. I'd basically be unable to have sex.
Then don’t frick someone you don’t trust.
Some people aren’t comfortable fricking someone with the same sex and you have to accept that and put yourself before sleeping with someone.
>It freaks me out to be touched by people who know I'm trans.
That's called mental illness
Not trying to be contrary but...whats wrong with this?
How are there so many people unironically saying this is rape? I'm a serial rapist then I guess
At least now you know
Spooked out of your minds, absolutely haunted brains
>absolutely haunted brains
AAAAUHHHHH
Step one in correcting moral repugnancy is recognizing you're flawed
If you're certain those dudes that fricked you wouldn't have done so if they knew you were trans, yes you're a rapist. If those dudes never disclosed being only interested in fricking a biological woman, and didn't express anything that could have been construed as transphobic then I guess you could make the claim you just assumed they were ok with having sex with trans people.
I'm so glad to be out of the dating scene.
Literally who the frick talks about "oh I would never have sex with x" with random hookups?
Pretty sure plenty of people? You do know it's absolutely not weird at all during a hookup for people to talk who they wouldn't frick right?
I doubt you get any pussy little bro
>I'm so glad to be out of the dating scene.
i only hear that from terminally single guys who would take the first girl they could get
In my case it just means I'm married.
i know its pathetic but i would probably have happily transitioned already if it wasnt for stuff like that this
just from talking to people it seems like half of the country is straight up pro-trans genocide and the other half dont know or care enough to realise that. its really scary please stay safe uk friends
Thanks fren, I'm trying to figure out how to escape:(
Im going to do sex work and save money so i can escape
Believing the "they are hunting LGBT people" propaganda is all on you, friendo. If you're scared, you deserve to be because you're still a child.
Anyone who would type something like this and ironically has a 99.9% chance of smelling like boiled cabbage
I don't know if i'd call it rape but it's deceptive nothenless.
Just imagine how you'd feel if you were for 4 years doing something you didn't mean to do because of someone else and now you just found out, you were cheated.
>if you pass too well
this has literally never happened lol
This only concerns degenerate people who are dumb enough to frick total strangers, right?
People in this thread are acting like disclosing certain. very relevant things to sexual partners is some horrific crime against humanity. Believe it or not, maybe fricking indiscriminately has consequences beyond yourself, and no one gives a shit about your internet-based 'identity.'
>internet-based 'identity'
I have no idea what you're trying to communicate.
There would be 98% less people who thing they're transsexual today if people didn't seek validation from the internet.
you are no older than 17 or just an adult who still talks like an edgy teenager
>should trans people have to disclose their birth gender before sex
nah you're good, you don't gotta tell anyone shit.
t. bi man who finds it funny when women freak out that I'm bi after we frick
Being bi isn't a physical abnormality though.
Post op trans people who you couldn't tell were trans without telling you aren't any more physically different for sexual purposes from someone who had died hair or is bisexual.
Saying you can't recognize a trans person post-op is just as stupid as claiming to be able to sniff out every trans person. You know these blanket statements don't mean anythign when there's so many variables in reality.
I don't mean every post op trans person, I mean the ones who wouldn't disclose otherwise. *Facepalm* I don't disclose personally for instance because I don't feel comfortable with people touching me and knowing that I'm trans unless I've known them for a while.
This is going to sound like a troll post but unironically because there's no such thing as a "trans person," they're always impossible to identify objectively. The whole premise of transgenderism is that it is separate from objective reality and based entirely on subjective reality, and so it doesn't work to talk about identifying somebody as trans from the outside. Of course there are people that identify as trans, but like in the weird postmodern space that transgenderism exists, there is literally no hard way to identify them other than "if they say so"
you say that but I feel like a big moron so whatever I have going on is much worse than trans women having a hardware issue downstairs
It’s so fricking easy to lie about this too. Honestly I’m not fricking any cisoids ever again till that law gets repealed. I always liked st4t but now I go exclusively st4t.
>have consensual sex
>tranner ghosts chaser
>chaser says "i had no idea"
>British law takes the side of the accuser
This is hell on earth
>You shouldn't disclose relevant information about sex because i'd have sex with you anyways
If you're like this leave the thread, thanks
No that doesn't make any sense at all that be like making somebody confess that they had a liver transplant are they at a heart illness are they have lung transplant to have sex. The only thing we should be required to reveal is if we have a disease transmitted illness
wtf? How is having a heart or liver illness the same as being transgendered? The only connection is that the former is physical illness and identifying as trans is mental, but like... are you implying that transgenderism is medical in nature?
They both involve a surgery that's serious. Outside of that I don't see how you can say there's any difference. SRS is a major surgery to correct and abnormality at Birth. There's no way that you can escape the actual experience but you shouldn't have to relive it over and over again just to be part of society and be a sexual human being
nta but are you serious? no one sexually cares if you got a liver transplant, it's not the same for anything sex related obviously
It's an intimate issue something you won't want to tell everybody. It's not of everybody's business whether or not you've had a liver transplant or if you had SRS. That's a personal thing and has nothing to do with life in the moment in the present it's historical nature. Some guy likes me likes me for my looks in the shape of my body and the feel of it. If he likes it in the present tense you can't go back in time and not like it
If someone doesn't want to have sex with a trans woman or man they have all the rights to know, it's that simple. If you wanna be an ass about it that's fine.
It is that simple, trans people should disclose bcs why the frick would they want to be with someone who is bigoted towards them? where is the future in that?
however, I don't think the responsibility should solely be on either of them if they both have a spontaneous one night stand with implied consent, that's just dumb
> If he likes it in the present tense you can't go back in time and not like it
HIV logic
>to correct an abnormality at birth
This seems so backwards and inconsistent to me. How is it that people have come to believe that their subjective, internal sense of themselves is the “true” self, and that the actual self, the body, is malformed? Why would you not assume that it’s actually your internal sense of yourself that is wrong and needs to be addressed?
>This seems so backwards and inconsistent to me. How is it that people have come to believe that their subjective, internal sense of themselves is the “true” self, and that the actual self, the body, is malformed? Why would you not assume that it’s actually your internal sense of yourself that is wrong and needs to be addressed?
Because it produces dysphoria. When something is good it makes euphoria, when it's bad it makes dysphoria. Dysphoria can be relieved to some level by socially transitioning, for some that is enough entirely, for others HRT is needed. It is material. Why are you assuming the brain is immaterial and subject to the body? No, the body is subject and I will make my body be how I want it, it's none of your business
>you implying that transgenderism is medical in nature?
Exactly I think it's a medical condition and a disorder of the body and of the mind and it's only cured by allowing that person to have the genitalia of their felt emotional sex
That's impossible, though. How does one grow or create a vegana or penis? Unless you're talking about, like, mutilating one's body to achieve the appearance of those things? That's fricking sick, man, and another discussion entirely. I don't think any moral person actually supports and celebrates shit like that. It's German Nazi mad scientist shit
It just grow on people's bodies then sometimes they're all one way and sometimes they're all the other way and sometimes they're in the middle it's when you're in the middle that they need to have surgery so that they can be all one way or all the other way in my case I wanted to be all female so we moved it in the female Direction which was the easiest direction. As you know male to female surgeries easier than male to female to male surgery on the bottom
>In November 2015, British Judge Roger Dutton sentenced a 25-year-old woman, Gayle Newland, to eight years in prison for pretending to be a man as a means of having sex with an unnamed woman of the same age. Newland had made her female victim believe that she was a man by means of deception and used the deception in order to have sex with her on more than 10 occasions, using a dildo. Newland's victim was shocked to discover that her "boyfriend" was in reality female, and testified in Chester Crown Court to a jury that she would have preferred to have been raped by a man.[7][8] Newland was granted a new trial in October 2016 on the grounds that Judge Dutton had given a predjudicial summation.[9] She was convicted again[10] and was sentenced to six-and-a-half years imprisonment on 20 July 2017.[11]
Rape by deception is bad and also illegal. Just don't do it, ok?
This person had a major part of their life taken for being transgender and having sex.
it’s this fricking case again? is anyone involved even transgender?
>and testified in Chester Crown Court to a jury that she would have preferred to have been raped by a man.
this is stupid
of course you should tell your partner early on. no one likes being lied to.
Can't find anything about this in the news
I provided source to the legal decisions itt.
Why would the news highlight trans injustice, that might spread sympathy on the murdoch controlled media
>if you pass too well and dont tell your partner, you can go to prison
Based I'd call the bobbies on any semen demon who tricks me into sex with her feminine wiles under false pretenses.
>semen demon
Because of this and that makes a big difference
I'd honestly go full TERF and start accusing my obviously cisfem partners of being trans. Wonder if I could get banned from filing a police report similar to being a "vexatious litigant" stateside.
Trans people should have to disclose though. If that person would not have had sex with you under normal circumstances and were they fully informed, that's rape by deception.
If I don't like when someone is drank within the past three days before sex is it rape by deception then o.o
like if I have proof after the fact and feel violated?
same thing like if they lie that they're vegan and they end up not being one?
same with someone lying about their income?
where is the line?
>If that person would not have had sex with you under normal circumstances and were they fully informed
This. I don't see how this is a debate. If you know for a fact that the only way you're getting this person to frick you is by lying or intentionally withholding information then that is rape.
Any trans woman against this is simply a malebrained rapist. Men are used to lying and deceiving women to get sex so they don't see anything wrong with it. I'm glad they're finally getting called out on their disgusting bullshit.
>Any trans woman against this is simply a malebrained rapist
Hate to say it but it's very true. There is just no good argument to avoid disclosure.
"Waaah I don't have to tell my partner my whole medical history"
Didn't ask. Don't Care. I just want to know relevant things to the sex like your sex assigned at birth and STD status. You can keep your physical results and blood panel to yourself.
I agree with this but I also think if someone lies about their orientation that it's rape
Like, if a guy has ever sucked dick or anything and says he's straight it's rape
>Like, if a guy has ever sucked dick or anything and says he's straight it's rape
I agree. People should just be honest with the people they want to frick. Period, end of story, there's no shades of gray.
Agreed, same with any gay thoughts and him communicating that. It becomes rape them because he is gay in my eyes, gross
but if a person said
>I just want to know relevant things to the sex like your race and religion.
it would be rape if someone hooked up with them without disclosing they were part black and israeli
>”nuu that’s not the same thing!!!”
how is it not?
not that i think not disclosing is ok per se but saying it is should be treated exactly the same as rape is weird and so not aligned the spirit of the law
>so not aligned the spirit of the law
the context of birth sex is more relevant to sex acts than race or religion
To make any dissenting point, you have to start here
white AMAB x white AMAB sex isn't the same as white AMAB x black AFAB intercourse
your problem is erasure of the importance of birth sex - understandably
no harm will come to you by having sex with a troony so you cant even complain about anything. you got lied to? fooled you once, shame on them, but that's all, just shame. you're a cucked b***h wanting the boot of the state to oppress trans people and the rest of your words are just rationalizations for that fact, moron
>no harm will come if he sneakes the condom off if he's healthy
doesn't make it right to remove agency like that
that's not true, harm will come, now you're comparing completely unrelated things
> now you're comparing completely unrelated things
Very related actually
Both the condom stealth and troony stealth case involve contact with tissue you don't want to be in contact with, regardless of if its healthy or not
>being trans is like having had a liver transplant or being israeli or Muslim
Amazing and crude mental gymnastics are being witnessed ITT.
>Stealthing is now illegal
Because it'd be rape by deception?
Do trans girls really think the man will not notice the penis and testicles on her groin region rather than the vegana he was expecting??
How exactly do trans girls think that scenario will play out? Every guy I know has already said they would punch her face for trying to pull one over on them and a few said they would kill the troony right there on the spot.
So disclose, even if you have to do it by phone for your own safety. Do not think you will convince a straight guy to like you if you keep it a secret until it's sex time.
Erm, idk how to tell you this, but SRS exists, and it's probably been around for longer than you've been alive, unless you're a boomer.
>Completely ignores post op trans people
I am stealth and wanna know how many of my partners have said "oh btw, are you trans, I don't wanna have sex with a trans person"
ZERO
How am I supposed to know that they don't wanna get fricked by a trans man unless they tell me??
>wanna know how many of my partners have said "oh btw, are you trans, I don't wanna have sex with a trans person"
ZERO
No shit. Trannies are less than 1% of the population, normal cis people aren't thinking about you when they don't go on a date especially since more often than not they'll offend the person they're trying to frick with the implication. No normal person says "Oh by the way, I don't frick trans people so if you happen to be one this is your queue". The date is fricking over even if they're not trans.
>How am I supposed to know that they don't wanna get fricked by a trans man unless they tell me??
By asking or telling them, its really that fricking simple.
.... Why is that my responsibility though... Should I ask about whether they're okay with my race and income status too (which are ambiguous from appearance). What about some very specific genetic defects I have, which are exactly as relevant to the sex as the fact that I once had different body parts (aka not at all)
*Facepalm*
Don't believe me then. But my penis looks like a normal penis.
I give up on this thread
I’m convinced it’s like one guy who has repped himself to insanity and needs to fight this battle to make up for the fact that he can’t go out and have sex as the correct gender
>Why is that my responsibility though
Is this a serious question? Like I said, you're 1% of the population. There's already expectations in place for these interactions so anything outside of those expectations needs to be put on the table by the person who has these circumstances. This is why you need to inform people that you have STDs or some shit before you have sex with them because the expectation is you're not a walking bag of disease so if you are, you need to fricking tell me about it. I don't need to voice my disinterest in having sex with someone who has HIV, that shit is already implied even if I am someone that might give you a shot anyway. I don't need to ask a blood test out of every person I try to frick, it is YOUR job to tell me. In that same vain, the expectation is that you're just another cis person so if you're not one, you need to fricking tell me. I'm not here to grill you, I'm here to frick.
>I’m here to frick
and yet you spill a lot of ink coming up with reasons not to
Only sane post ITT
>I don't need to voice my disinterest in having sex with someone who has HIV, that shit is already implied
This is what gets me about all the "You should tell every one night stand that you don't like trannies!" argument. I do 99% of my dating through dating apps so if I tell you I'm straight, why would you ever think I would be okay with your penis? Even if you're post-op, why would you think I would immediately be down for that?
>why would you ever think I would be okay with your penis?
Some trannies genuinely think you can be a straight guy and still be okay with penis. Its the biggest cope I've ever seen.
see
It is rape if they're lying so I totally agree
>my fee-fee's getting hurt because i'm groomed to think troony sex is a sin is exactly the same as giving someone a debilitating illness
u are a pussy 😀
>The date is fricking over even if they're not trans.
hmmm, really makes you think
>How am I supposed to know that they don't wanna get fricked by a trans man unless they tell me??
no way. I mean maybe, if you're only fricking dudes and they are just looking for you to stick it in their bums without looking, but a woman most certainly would be able to tell you have a fake dick. They're just neurotic with penises. They are aware and look even at the tiny imperfection. I don't believe you have stealthed any girl as a transman.
>Do trans girls really think the man will not notice the penis and testicles on her groin region rather than the vegana he was expecting??
Do you really think the transgirls talking about "stealthing" are pre-op? Are you that delusional?
Obviously she couldn't "stealth" if she still had her twig n berries. At least not for full on penetrative sex.
Consent needs to be INFORMED to not be rape. Just simply getting a yes under any circumstance is not consent.
We literally live in a country where trans people can be thrown into prison for years, for the crime of being their gender.
And posters agree with this. Where will you draw the line? Once it spills over into other areas?
If you dont disclose all debts? Prison for 10 years? If you dont disclose your voting preference, you get a criminal record.
There is zero empathy. I used to wonder how things like the Khmer Rouge happened, now i understand
>you want me to tell you I'm male?
>this it literally genocide!
>And posters agree with this.
It's NSFFW what else would you expect
It still kinda scares me though. I hate living in England. I get panic attacke everytime i leave my flat. Where i live has the highest rates of transphobic violence. There are shops and areas im not allowed in
>There are shops and areas im not allowed in
you mean you personally or trans people?
Trans people. Lgbt in general.
As in, "you do not belong here, gtfo or we will frick you up". I get attacked before when i was working (as in an actual job, now SW) and the police said it was my own fault for being in the area.
They broke my nose and i cried so much
Jesus what a shithole, I hope you moved to a better area
that's insane. I think even in the southern US it's not that bad. and in liberal northern states it's the complete opposite
when I was younger I used to be a stereotypical reddit-y "fuk america" type but the older I get the more I've come to appreciate it. minus healthcare and college costing hundreds of thousands of dollars and the exploitative, warmongering, civilian-killing foreign policy, the US is genuinely the best country on earth to live in
nah I live in the southern us worse I ever got once some damn kids came up to me and verbally taunted me
Debts and votes are private matters. Just don't rape people, it's not that hard to understand if your not a rapist
and the birth sex of a stealth trans person is also a private matter thats completely irrelevant
its not that hard to understand if youre not transphobic
Wrong. The sex of your partner is directly relevant information and needs to be disclosed
One time a man had kissed me before I got to disclose that I was trans. It was pretty sudden and he was the one basically throwing himself on me. I did not intended on having sex or anything with him until after I would have told him of course but things just happen
How the frick are you supposed to prove that you told the person or not before sex? Do you have to sign a contract of consent? This is getting ridiculous.
this. this is going to be taken advantage of to take revenge on trannies for personal issues, like a sort of revenge porn but actually it's criminal justice for something they never did. expect a lot of false accusations
That's the best part - you can't!
>wahh life is so unfair to me and to men
>men can't even do what they want anymore. can't even rape people anymore without the PC police busting in.
>AHA i'll turn into a woman to get around it! haha that'll show'em.
>now i'm calling myself a girl, i can do anything i want. i'll just rape those people finally!
>WHAT?? it's still illegal for me to rape people?
>UNFAIR! UNFAIR! DISCRIMINATION SLIPPERY SLOPE!!
>This is getting ridiculous.
dating sounds like such a nightmare these days jesus lmao
married at 21, 26 now and not touching this shit gang
most people don't want to frick child rapists.
so some cute dude sweet-talks your trans ass at the bar, and you go home with him. you frick. no problems. you get a little involved. he takes you to a nice pizza place. maybe you go ice skating or whatever homosexual shit you're into. lots of good sex. good stuff.
then you discover his criminal record. he doesn't tell you, you find it when you're googling for his dad's family business he told you about. turns out he raped 3 kids and killed one. brutal shit.
but this doesn't matter. you're not allowed to take that into consideration. it's his private history. it's his personal information. he has no obligation to tell you, and you have absolutely no right to have an opinion about it. if you don't continue dating and fricking him, you're a bigoted piece of shit. you should have made it more clear sooner, before you fricked obviously, that 4-time child rapist & murderers are not acceptable to you. and, obviously, you'd have to specify the 4-time part, otherwise you're not being specific enough. you can't just say "no criminals" either. that's extremely bigoted.
THROWING A FIT
Just to get it off your chest, I guess ?Doesn't mean anything?
What?
>disclose that you're trans
>get beaten to death and then the criminal gets a free pass because they pull a trans panic defense
Wow, what a brilliant idea!
Have you considered not trying to frick normal men instead of relying on tricking them and hoping they don't find out?
have you considered that this law can be abused and it's a game of hearsay regarding whether they knew it was a troony. This is just an extension of the "trans panic defense"
cis het guys so insecure they need to protect themselves from thirsting after us trans girl with the law, absolutely cucked and not self sufficient
oooooh noooooo what a nightmare haha my gf legally has to inform me about her huge wiener before I take her to bed, so aaaaawfuuuul
based, stealthing is gross
stop preying on heterosexual males
it used to be illegal for a man to lie about his wealth and status to get women
same thing, both should be illegal
if an incel chud pretends to be a normal and well adjusted human and tricks a girl into sexing him did he rape her?
all incels go to jail NOW please.
most tranners are incels anon
>we can always tell
using any sort of deception to get sex should be illegal
>girl sitting at bar
>guy comes over
>flirts with her
>invites her to his room
>they have sex
what deception? remember it says "disclose" not "answer questions about if they are asked" he can complain after apparently even though no deception was made, only deception to a literal moron who clearly doesn't care if she's cis or trans but just wants to frick?
moron have a nice day
yeah if you dont tell a guy you're male that's being deceptive, you should assume most men are heterosexual and dont want to have sex with other males
trans women are not males you're just coping that you're bisexual then but don't want to frick men, clearly you thought they were women if you're so straight lmao, keep telling yourself you're straight thought.
The enforcement of cishet norms results in violence perpetrated by cis people because of their ultra-fragility of sexual idendity. the most coddled humans in existence. if you aren't sexually attracted to trans women don't frick them, if you are don't blame them for it by making up some legal argument where you try to call them men or some shit, fricking wuss, get a grip LMAO KYS Nazi
>you don't prefer penis?
>TERF TERF TERF!
do agps really
This is what you get for refusing to have sex with us chasers.
Straight to jail.
>Tfw there are trannies who prob got surgery got married and lied to their partner about it for decades and just think that this is okay
Wait, why the actual frick would one NOT disclose that information? I'm certainly glad that I'm an autistic asexual, because I can't fricking fathom how anything short of full-on vitreous transparency in a relationship — any relationship — would be considered acceptable. Intentional omission of information is a form of deception.
not everything is a relationship lmao one night stands arent a relationship anon
I do that anyways (or just walk away/ghost when flirted with)
Can't get arrested
>have HIV
>a bottom slides into my DMs and wants sex
>dick him down
>he find out about my HIV and gets mad
>it's not my fault since he didn't ask me before we had sex 🙂
/tttt/ logic
youre a fricking moron, having sex with a trans person is not the same thing as getting hiv
It’s a good metaphor
>analogy
exposure to sex act conditions you didn't sign up for?
>Exposure to a dangerous and life altering pathogen
>Exposure to a trans person
Yeah, I see it now. Def equally fricked up.
didn't ask me before sex, not my problem
> thinking all rape acts have to be equally immoral
>exposure to a dick you didn't sign up for when condom stealth'd
>exposure to a faux vegana you didn't sign up for when stealth'd
Ultimately,
there's no argument against leaving room for a partner to be surprised he came in contact with an AMAB
You want selling margarine as butter to be okay, when it's not
seethe
>Ultimately,
there's no argument against leaving room for a partner to be surprised he came in contact with an AMAB
*there's no argument for this
now which of you bold ladies will go ahead and justify rape?
Trans women are not the same as real women.
You’re basically selling a fake Gucci sweater for the price of an original.
PTNHH0
theres no price b***h you should be lucky any trans girl fricks you
Im a Trans Girl myself lol
Just accept that we aren’t the same as real women and have no right to trick others into sex.
That’s rape by deception
i mean, disclosing to your partner should be the norm, building a relationship on lie isn't a good thing, and that doesn't mean stealthing is illegal, i don't know what you're talking about, are you trying to have sex with everyone you see or something?
If you willingly omit information you know might cause the other person to refuse sex with you, and then proceed to have sex, that is rape by deception
it should be illegal to do this in any case, not just being quiet about your agab, but lying about your job, the money you make, etc
I only have sex with people with 20/20 vision. If you have sex with me wearing contact lenses its rape by deception and you deserve to go to prison
obviously minor stuff like that would never hold up in court
major things like lying about your agab would
describe to me in what situation is ones agab relevant?
any situation involving genitalia
farm-raised(surgical) fish is different than wild-caught
just because you know you're STD free doesn't give you the right to sneak off a condom, violating boundaries and creating anxiety
You don't know how secure he is with his sexuality, how it'd frick with him mentally, nor do you care in the same vein
Anyway you slice it ma'am, it's extremely inconsiderate - which in the context of sex acts that require informed consent
means it's rapey
Okay. I don't date people with criminal records. If you don't reveal to me you have a criminal record before sex you have raped me by deception.
>my argument is comparing this to something unrelated
Criminal records have nothing to do with sex.
neither does being trans. It's a fact about a person bearing no relation to sex which after you find out makes you not want to frick someone
>direct analogy upsets me bc I can't think of an argument now
you seriously need to touch grass and have sex, maybe even talk to other humans in person
Being trans has has lot to do with sex.
A neo vegana is basically an inverted dick and you will have to accept that some men do not want to rub their dick against someone else’s dick.
It is not an analogy, you're comparing two different arguments. A criminal record is not the same as birth sex. I don't need to think of an argument because you haven't made one you've just taken something unrelated and made a false comparison.
I agree. So I'm glad we agree if you don't disclose that your trans or that you have a criminal record you're a rapist.
And how exactly are you going to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt in a court of law that said person knew the other party would have an issue with whatever the thing is? It simply doesn't seem enforceable to me.
if you're caught lying about something major in texts or calls then you should be punished
obviously you cant prove someone said something in person without witnesses, some cases will not stand up in court
Who determines what something major is though? Clearly I think we can agree agab is major but where is the line drawn for other things? If I lie about my income for example, at what point does it become a crime?
a more mysterious question is how anyone in 2023 would be fooled when they see you literally having to shoot up estrogen (which probably has le brazilian maymay anime box) every week.
in current year "oh I just have an endocrine condition :~~*" doesn't cut it, people are more aware than ever before of what transitioning entails
touch grass
Sorry that I’m not in your „woke“ lgbt echo chamber that accepts everything and everyone no matter how deranged it or the person is.
Y’all are brainwashed fr
you're literally hiding that your trans so guys frick you, that is the PEAK of pickme shit
the one we're talking about right now
sexual relationships
meant for
and why is it relevant in sexual relationships
>Why is ones sex relevant in a sexual relationship
stop avoiding the question
give me one damn specific scenario where it matters and makes a difference compared to a cis woman
I honestly dont think you're being serious anymore
Trans women are males.
Cis women are females.
Some people do not want to have sex with males.
If you stealth and not tell a guy you’re a trans woman that’s rape by deception.
for fricks sake moron, never mind the fact that you know nothing about actual biology cause statements like
>Trans women are males.
are moronic on so many levels im not even gonna get into right now and plain wrong
but youre still avoiding answering
give
one
fricking
situation
where
a
stealth
trans
person
has
a
physical
tangible
difference
compared
to
a
cis
woman
this is not about differences between trans and cis women, this is about consent
if someone does not want to have sex with trans women, that is their right, to say otherwise is literally advocating for rape
then lets put it this way
give one valid logical tangible reason that someone would not want someone for being trans even though ONCE AGAIN on a macrophysical scale they are identical to cis woman
if its not about a tangible physical concept then its fricking irrelevant, it would be just like saying its rape if someone doesnt disclose their fricking zodiac to you, cause at this point they are both arbitrary nonphysical concepts outside of control based on birth that have zero bearing on the present reality
>give one valid logical tangible reason that someone would not want someone for being trans even though ONCE AGAIN on a macrophysical scale they are identical to cis woman
A neovegana isn't the same as a cis vegana, we can say it's equal - but it is not the same nor can you erase the transness from it
for all practical purposes (except having kids but millions of cis women are infertile anyway) they are identical
this metaphysical bs about caring what it once was doesnt fricking matter
you could use this same argument with an anus
it is a different orifice that would have to be agreed upon
>"but they're both holes!!!"
it's not caring about what it was - it's about caring what it IS
there is a reason bi chasers leave after SRS
They are not identical at all.
One is an inverted dick, one is a real vegana.
What you’re saying is factually false.
again irrelevant conceptual bs, theyre functionally identical
in sex it feels the same, smells the same, tastes the same, gets wet the same
The false equivalence is clear because people don't weight zodiac signs as important whereas they weigh trans status as important, as made clear by the fact that there is no a law passed. Trying to remove the issue from its context isn't clever. You can't decide for society what it holds as important. I have yet to see one good argument for why trans people can't just disclose that they're trans.
so because society is unjustifiably transphobic that justifies their irrational transphobia
fricking moron
Not wanting to frick trans people is not transphobic.
not wanting to frick a trans person for NO REASON other than the shear conceptual label that they are trans
when they are otherwise completely physically indistinguishable from a cis one
IS BLATENTLY transphobic
It isn't. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to frick someone for any reason, to suggest otherwise is moronic.
You're way off base lol, I have no problem with sleeping with trans women who disclose that they're trans. And I'm not a woman.
>It isn't. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to frick someone for any reason, to suggest otherwise is moronic.
how fricking moronic are you you keep going in circles
now we're once again back to the zodiac arguemnt, its completely justified with youre logic here
I already amde it clear why it is completely different from zodiac signs. If you can establish enough of a case for it that they decide to pass a law that forces people to disclose their zodiac sign to sexual partners then go ahead.
As I've said, never has one trans person put forward an argument as to why it is unreasonable to ask them to disclose that they're trans to sexual partners.
It's not though .
The whole basis of your argument is that most people don't agree that >Trans people who transition are their desired sex.
You refute the most basic tenet of trans people, you deserve nothing but death. There is no room for you in humna evolutionary development. You are ontologically evil.
>spilling the same gay crap
Waa waa
I believe that people who transition are their desired sex, I just don't think that other people should be forced to agree with that, they should however be expected to respect it. That is a basic principal of social cohesion. It's what holds everyone together.
It makes it impossible to defend trans people when they expect to be exempt from a pretty simple responsibility for no reason.
>I believe that people who transition are their desired sex, I just don't think that other people should be forced to agree with that
This
removing agency is the mark of a rapist and you'd cry transphobia if they wouldn't frick you
you browse this site, so are patently aware even a lot of chasers are not down for SRS puss
the burden is on you to prove WHY its a reasonable thing
and ive already argued that its unreasonable because there is no physical tangible differences for it to matter
then you just avoid it and say
>that ackchyually doesnt matter now lol because uh its the right for them to know
why is it?
>uh it just is lol
>a majority of people don't want to have sex with trans people
>it allows trans people to fit into society better
>it removes the stigma that trans people are trying to force others to have sex with them/see them a certain way/hide their identity
>it eliminates any possibility as gay panic as defense
>it forces apps like tindr to allow people to filter for or out trans people and stops them from getting mass reported
>it is a sign of goodwill
>it makes trans people more positively visible
the fact that society doesnt like us is on them cause as we've discussed they have no real valid rationale for it. their problem, why make it ours by forcing us to identify ourselves for them
if we just want to live a normal life having achieved stealthness why make it our fricking job to be the (cant think of the word but u know what i mean) of the community?
There is still absolutely no definitive conclusion on whether trans people are or aren't the sex they identify as, it is still just a matter of opinion. What is categorically true is that no matter what trans people are and always will be trans, by definition.
>why make it ours by forcing us to identify ourselves for them
Half of the problem is that you treat it like a problem. Self-identifying isn't exactly asking a lot, it's not a crazy idea. If trans women are really women then why should it upset you to say that you're trans. You're the one deciding that there is something wrong with being trans. You're part of the problem.
As for why it's pretty obvious, it is the same reason that people with HIV are expect to disclose their status (and no I am not comparing being trans with HIV before you latch onto that and cry about it). It is because you are the minority, it makes more sense for you to identify yourself than for everyone to have to ask their partner if they're trans which would still have the same result anyway so why you think it would be better is beyond me. If anything it just creates a situation much like what we have no where there's a witch hunt for who's trans. Finally the reason why it is on you is because you are the people asking for something, you want people to respect your identity, you want people to allow you to use certain facilities, participate in certain sports, etc. so is it really so much to ask that in return you do one thing for others?
There is nothing wrong with a post sentence having more than five words, it's when those extra words are pointless reddit drivel that it's a problem, which is what I said homosexual.
>Wall of transphobic text
yeah im not reading that Black person. Go back
>I'm not reading anyone that disagrees with me
Imagine posting this, you'd have been better off posting nothing but you're actively telling everyone how moronic you are lol
>Self-identifying isn't exactly asking a lot
that is so wrong. the fact that most normies misunderstand trans people and wont even give us a chance if they know, even if theyre great in every other regard
its making dating 10x harder than it needs to be for stealth trannies so it kinda is asking a lot
and once again theres no relevant reason to disclose, theyre not a danger like STDs are, theyre not physically different from cis women in any relevant way which normies dont realize but god fricking luck convincing them of that, let alone every single potential partner
remember we're talking about full stealth trannies here
they have no issues using sexed facilities
stealth trannies generally want to leave their trans life behind and live a normal cis life theyre not here to be the warriors for the trans community if they dont want to
> its making dating 10x harder than it needs to be
> for stealth trannies so it kinda is asking a lot
rapehon logic
"I'm desperate, so you don't get informed consent"
Damn, seek help
You can't decide what is and isn't relevant for other people, thinking like that makes people like you less.
And I agree that it is unfair but what is right and what is fair isn't always the same. Doing the wrong thing simply because it feels better or it's easier isn't justifiable. Maybe one day culturally finding out your gf is trans will be nothing, but it isn't now, and you can't expect one side to not treat it like it's a big deal if you yourselves treat it like it's a big deal. You can't just say trans people should be able to live like cis girls if that to them means pretending to be cis girls.
for all intents and purposes they are the same as a cis girl other than their past. a past which they had no control over, why should they in the present not get that freedom
why should they be unnecessarily punished for factors of their birth. trans people go through enough shit already why should the lucky few that reach the goal of being fully cis passing have to get more shit
they are their own individual with their own life why should they be forced to sacrifice a large part of it for the vague sake of the community
why must they be held accountable to do this "right" thing but the cis people with the wrong beliefs arent?
>for all intents and purposes they are the same as a cis girl other than their past
Debatable but the point is that that is irrelevant, they are different from cis women because they are trans. It's not a punishment, it is a responsibility, it is treating other people with respect and doing what's right.
>why must they be held accountable to do this "right" thing but the cis people with the wrong beliefs arent?
They are though, they are expected to respect trans people in their identities.
Irrevelant to sex
surprise AMAB sex can go a number of ways
it's funny you're talking about this in the context of actually forming relationships and not hookups too
"see straight guy, you liked it" might play out well in your head, but that's how you end up in a ditch at worst or ditched anyway for being a liar - you set the tone for the relationship by beginning it through pulling the wool over his eyes
>Because I know what's best for him (me) or even care about him at all
you disregard his perspective, beliefs, and environment entirely and don't even WANT to CONSIDER them.
then when you frick up and trigger an identity crisis, shit goes sour
> most normies misunderstand trans people and wont even give us a chance if they know, even if theyre great in every other regard
> theres no relevant reason to disclose
You don't respect most people's beliefs and assume most would be unwilling to sleep with you,
the meat of all of this:
why do you want people who are unwilling to sleep with you when informed to sleep with you uninformed?
cont.
Do you hope to change their minds with your personality and SRS vag?
>ITT
we see a rapehon bottom who can't fathom that a straight man might not want to come in contact with a dick in his lifetime
>hurr why shouldn't I tell him the nature of this act is homosexual
>his insecurity isn't my problem, but my insecurity is his problem thus I refuse to disclose
Or a means of self-preservation
tranners don't even like chasers, you like to pick and choose when to be metaphysical
reputation matters and conceptual labels matter - like transphobic, for instance
maybe buddy doesn't want to experience chaserphobia when he wasn't even chasing
being a deceptive rapist is transphobic
hiding your trans status is internalized transphobia
trying to make decisions for transphobes instead of not dealing with them "because they shouldn't care" is transphobic and the mark of a rapist
yeah but it's still just YOU weighting sleeping with a trans person as bad as rape because you are a hypersensitive scared-of-your-own-sexuality prude.
Get some fricking therapy karen, you are so scared of being gay that you are willing to dehumanize and even violently harm others because of your insecurity.
Your insecurity makes you so insane that you think "rape by deception" is a real thing and not a gigantic cope
You have a terminal case of brainworms dear, and worse, you are ontologically evil
>Your insecurity makes you so insane that you think "rape by deception" is a real thing and not a gigantic cope
And there we have it folks
she thinks rape by deception is a myth and you can't convince her otherwise
/thread
No it doesn't you fricking lunatic. Most people want nothing to do with origami'd dick and balls, it doesn't matter that you call it a vegana, it is still just dick and balls.
Get over it rapehon.
those are literally just names, on a biological level its literally just tissues and flesh in certain shapes
Holy shit the cope, delusional freak.
riddle me this, you understand why an anus is different in practice than a vegana
why don't you understand a neovegana isn't identical in function?
The muscles aren't even the same nor attached to the veganal walls, the contractions are pelvic - never mind the smoothness from the lack of rugae
this is material fact for you.
>give one valid logical tangible reason
you're not getting it, it doesn't fricking matter
if they want to have sex with trans women for whatever dumb fricking reason, that is their right
you can use that logic for literally any dumb thing you want and call it rape then, like zodiacs as i mentioned
zodiacs have nothing to do with sex
now please don't go psycho and say being trans has nothing to do with sex
wow youve come full circle moron back to the original question WHY IS IT RELEVANT
>IT JUST IS, OK?
>now please don't go psycho and say being trans has nothing to do with sex
says a lot about how you see trans people lol
Well, if I decide I never want to have sex with a Scorpio because they're all nuts, then if someone doesn't disclose their Scorpio status to me, then it's rape by your own logic. We aren't discussing trannies, we are discussing consent and I do not consent to having scorpion sex ever.
genitalia are a physical and observably integral part of human sexuality
zodiac and criminal records aren't
false comparisons
critical thinking 4/10
we're talking about stealth trans people here, post op, and despite what your anti trans propaganda has told you no it is not even noticeably different than a cis vegana
so macrophysically they are identical in other words
>no it is not even noticeably different than a cis vegana
NOTICEABLY different is subjective
Your whole logic hinges on "what he doesn't notice wont hurt him"
literally the logic of someone who would rape you in your sleep
>so macrophysically they are identical in other words
the lack of veganal rugae and attached veganal muscle makes this statement incredibly false, not to mention lubrication difference
The point here, isn't to trick someone and say "see, it was just like cis vegana wasn't it"??
but to give them the option to decline, regardless of what they believe - no matter how stupid or "propagandic" you think it is
>>give one valid logical tangible reason
>you're not getting it, it doesn't fricking matter
>now please don't go psycho and say being trans has nothing to do with sex
>*gets asked why*
>uh it doesnt matter
>*give absurd example that still completely follows the given logic*
>uh that doesnt count just because i said so
>and uh actually it does matter now. why? um because i said so
so does it matter or not, if it does then stop avoiding the question and logically answer WHY
Trans women are either intersex or biological males.
That’s basic biology.
Idk what kind of weird cope shit you’re on but you need to stop being delusional.
A Neo vegana is an inverted dick and not a real vegana. There’s your difference.
For fricks sake.
Some people do not want to rub their dick against someone’s inverted one.
You are obligated to tell them otherwise it’s rape.
Why’s that so hard to understand?
So if a cis woman has any kind of work down there, do they also have to disclose or it's rape? What about breast implants, if I want to grope real breasts only and I get a handful of silicone, is that sexual assault because she claimed she had big ol' naturals or simply didn't say anything?
this is not about differences between trans and cis women, this is about consent
if someone does not want to have sex with trans women, that is their right, to say otherwise is literally advocating for rape
Well, what about my consenting only to touch big naturals? Is that consent not important to you? Answer the question.
That’s different because breasts stay breasts, vegana stays vegana.
However a dick turning into a vegana is something entirely different.
Are you still touching breasts?
yes
there is not one differentiated veganal cell in a neovegana
it's that simple, it is inverted dick and/or balls and/or intestines and/or abdominal wall
A silicone implant is not breast tissue.
not them
but:
veganal rugae missing
different biome than vag (in some cases contact with fecal bacteria)
non-material reason:
> healthy man takes off condom to stealth
> creates room for a mental health crisis for his partner
there's a reason why the cognitive dissonance you would choose to be unempathetic about would inspire a violent wig out
> tranner omits vegana is neo
> creates room for a mental health crisis for her partner
there's a reason why the cognitive dissonance you would choose to be unempathetic about would inspire a violent wig out as he attempts to wrestle with the idea he'd lose straight privilege and be shunned
no the bacteria biome is there, and the fecal stuff is only with the shitty colon srs thing
Patently false
ah i see so the real people who have had their biomes tested by real doctors and shown to be normal and healthy must just be delusional lol
Unironically good.
I'll love tranners and defend them to hell and back but stealthing partners is self-centred, inconsiderate and a move in the wrong direction.
trying so hard to fit in
> lying through omission to kick it
p i c k m e
desperation plays tend to lack transparency
fine, dadaaa
I think this all this arguing stems from a simple disagreement about whether people can refuse sex for any reason they want or not.
some people seem to think it's some kind of moral wrong to refuse to have sex with a trans woman so it justifies the lying
Nah, I think just about everyone here actually does agree it's a dick move no matter how you want to see it. This argument has always been more about "should being an butthole be illegal?"
You know this is exactly why people hate trans people. It is so insane to me that trans women just can't seem to get it.
Imagine asking someone to respect somebody elses preferences even just a little and that is too fricking hard. None of you can cry when your rights are stripped when won't even make a basic effort to try and cohese with society.
Absolutely pathetic.
>only frick gross chasers for the rest of your life
lol no
Maybe trans women would attract higher caliber men if they didn't treat being trans like a dirty secret
I despise being trans so much that I will probably detransition one day even though I pass
That sounds like a you problem. I don't see how trans women expect anyone else to love them if they can't even love themselves at such a basic level that they're open about their own transness.
casual sex is an immoral decadence, you should not be having sex with someone if you don't even know how they identify themselves and how it differs from their assigned birth gender. as such, if there is no casual sex this dilemma becomes superfluous. this is the correct opinion, you don't need to reply.
t. heterosexual cis male
...how is this applicable you're stealth in the first place?
I'm hoping that this whole thing makes men more vigilant and the morons in this thread get a taste of what the "if men don't want to have sex with trans women then that's on them" mentality gets them
> average cis man with average internalized homophobia that tranners also deal with
> tranner forces him to question his sexuality and fear the societal consequences of dealing with an AMAB such as loss of support structure if his family happens to be homophobic
> teehee it's not rape
> i don't see it as gay PERSONALLY, you and everyone around you HAVE to process it the same as me
> cluster B tranner ends up in a ditch from panicked man
This shit is so silly, but this is how shit goes in reality
Wow, /lgbt/ is full of actual predators.
Not telling sexual partners that you have HIV is/would be illegal because it would constitute reckless manslaughter/grievous bodily harm and not because it is "rape by deception"
These feminazi harpies are so brainwormed they even go as far as to say that it should be illegal to lie about your income or job.
That should tell you everything you need to know about these subhumans. Show them no quarter on the battlefield
>yeah but it's still just YOU weighting sleeping with a trans person as bad as rape because you are a hypersensitive scared-of-your-own-sexuality prude
but you can't respect that someone's perspective might not be as "evolved" as yours
child predator logic
meant for
Imagine thinking that everyone who disagrees with you is evil and that the world should function entirely around how you feel and that people deserve death if they don't. Imagine that AND thinking that you're the good guy.
You're the people who refuse to take into consideration that it literally does not matter who we are born as, it only matters who we present ourselves as.
Nobody has power over their AGAB, instead you incessantly crabbucket sexualities other than your normcore superstraights.
You are in your essence a racist. You weaponise your sexuality to oppress minorities. Your post-coital regret does NOT make your sexual encounter a violent sexual abuse. Rape by deception is not a thing.
If you consented while you were a b***h in heat, nothing will revoke that consent a week later.
Addendum is STDs but those fall into grievous boldily harm or reckless endangerment and not "rape by deception" (which doesnt exist you nalding harpy.)
>"rape by deception" (which doesnt exist you nalding harpy.)
>yfw you post all of that gay shit
You losers need to lay off the political e-grifters, every post doesn't need to come with a paragraph about how you're Gandalf and transphobes are Trumplemort.
As per usual I am not a woman, I am more than happy to have sex with trans women, and you need to take a look at yourselves and ask why you think it's so hard to be honest with your sexual partners.
being honest is not a prerequisite for casual sex you repressed prude
falls under reckless endangerment (which pregnancy could cause) and which Oh no person ive slept with is trans! does not constitute.
"Rape by deception" is a false herring.
Rape is an inherently violent act that is not retconned into being non-consensual.
That you would even try to equate those shows how morally coreupt you are. Ontologically evil and fundamentally disconnected from societal cohesion
>falls under reckless endangerment
requires a risk, which isn't necessarily present for someone otherwise not sexually active
so... no argument. Aight
A refutation is an argument, can you contest what I said? *crickets*
no, because what you said was neither a refutation nor any sort of meaningful statement. There is no point in interacting w you i would rather watch paint dry
>no, because what you said was neither a refutation nor any sort of meaningful statement.
let me spoonfeed ya
>Rape is an inherently violent act that is not retconned into being non-consensual.
This is your statement ^^^
Which is easily refuted by the fact:
You can rape someone who is incapacitated
I can't break it down any better, do better sis
>Rape is an inherently violent act that is not retconned into being non-consensual.
You can rape someone who is incapacitated
>raping somebody who is unconscious as regretting consensual sex w a troony
A moron is you
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
Or you have poor reading comprehension and are forming strawman arguments
seek help
DURRRRR a sentence has more than 5 words.
You must be 18 years or older to use this website.
"The neoveganal microbiome of transgender women post-gender reassignment surgery"
here's a review study, I agree with the experts
its unique :^)
for you
literally what are you trying to say
israeli conspiracy? oh boy how original
even if so im talking about first hand stories of many anons on this board
isolated from eachother, no reason for them to lie about such a random thing
I posted a review study that has dozens of studies backing it over several years in a clinical context that show the biomes are inconsistent with healthy non-BV vag
but now I realize I'm arguing with a child
I never understood this. Don't you find out what people genitals look like during sex?