Technological alternatives to nutrition

Due to the fact that unfortunately people can't just stop fucking, we've surpassed the 8billion population mark.
Natural meat is becoming more and more difficult to be sustainable due to the fact that we're too many (thank the sirs and dindun for this), and there's not enough field or space for all those cows (or pigs, or sheeps, or whatever) to thrive just to end up as meat.

One of the alternatives to this is of course lab processed meat.
Now I know absolute shit about this.
How safe is this bullshit compared to normal meat? Is this a solution to finally stop vegans from being annoying af about killing animals?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have nothing wrong with it in theory but in practice they keep doing gay things to it like manipulating it to have comically high levels of estrogenics and is also extremely expensive. real meat can't have additives in it by default but you can bet that lab grown meat will. constant vigilance isn't enough, people have to catch them (and care) every time, they have to just get lucky once. also this is a bait /misc/ thread so go to hell

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they keep doing gay things to it like manipulating it
      This is my primary concern
      >real meat can't have additives in it by default
      lamo, you really think that regular meat is 100% clean? That farmers are not pumping cows with steroids to get more meat to sell?
      >also this is a bait /misc/ thread so go to hell
      OP here, I've never in my life set foot on /misc/, what makes you think this is affiliated with that board?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >what makes you think this is affiliated with that board?
        NTA, but it's a spicy topic. I believe that you had good intentions when making this thread, but discussion of synthetic meat tends to attract some nasty individuals.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine if homosexuals said this shit when we were cross-breeding to get modern fruits and vegetables.
      “Ugh, those fucking lefties keep trying to make the food taste better with more nutrition.”

      /misc/ fags are so fucking annoying jesus

      If it was cheap and reasonably healthy I’d buy it, end of story.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Give me the kit to grow my own meat. Oh wait, they're called chickens.

        There's a difference between cross-breeding and big corpos making glyphosate-resistant terminator seeds.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're implying that everyone has the required space to build a henhouse

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I can't tell if you're pretending to be retarded or you're genuinely retarded. Either of which, fuck this site is dead because of you.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Chickens requires space you fucking retard.
              How are people living in condos going to have their own chicken farm?
              Your argument implies that anyone can have a chicken farm if they want, which is just not true.
              Either that or you were just saying "lol just breed more chickens" which is what the OP is complaining about: not enough space.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How are people living in condos going to have their own chicken farm?
                That's what your spare bedroom is for anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Stop living in a condo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                top advice right there

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How are people living in condos going to have their own chicken farm?
                That's what your spare bedroom is for anon.

                You're implying that everyone has the required space to build a henhouse

                Give me the kit to grow my own meat. Oh wait, they're called chickens.

                There's a difference between cross-breeding and big corpos making glyphosate-resistant terminator seeds.

                You don't need a hen house, its a waste of wood.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I respect the grind, but the smell must be terrible.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >more nutrition
        objectively false.

        https://www.bbc.com/future/bespoke/follow-the-food/why-modern-food-lost-its-nutrients/
        >Prompted by food shortages after World War Two, scientists developed new high-yield varieties of crops and breeds of livestock, alongside synthetic fertilisers, pesticides and herbicides, to boost food production. Coupled with improvements in irrigation and the advent of affordable tractors, crop productivity increased dramatically. The average global cereal yield rose 175% between 1961 and 2014, with wheat, for example, rising from an average yield of 1.1 tonnes per hectare to 3.4 tonnes per hectare in around the same timeframe.
        >While yields went up, nutrient levels in some crops declined, bringing intensive farming techniques under scrutiny. Could it be, as some have claimed, the result of the increased use of artificial pesticides, fertilisers and other chemicals disrupting the fine balance of soil life, the health of crop plants, and therefore affecting the quality of the food we eat?
        (skipping some paragraphs, but the answer is "no")
        >Producing bigger and more plentiful grains was a welcome improvement at a time when populations in developing countries were rapidly expanding and famine was a threat. However, an unforeseen side effect was that while the wheat produced more grain per plant, nutrient levels did not increase in the same way.
        >"What we end up with is a scenario where, while the nutrients remain at the same level in a single wheat kernel, the starch is up two or three-fold. This means that once the wheat is processed into flour you get a dilution effect. The ratio of carbohydrates to nutrients is down," says McGrath.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Due to the fact that unfortunately people can't just stop fucking
      Every first world country has stopped fucking and there is a population decline that will ruin those countries. It's only third world african nations that reproduce like crazy. Those countries dont have other options when it comes to food.

      milk is one food with the most estrogen and milk is used everywhere, yet you people have no issue with milk or even try to not consume it (not only that, you are against milk alternatives (such as oat milk) with no estrogen)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Milk has manly estrogen while tofu has beta estrogen and makes you gay and lose sperm cells

        The milk and meat diet is the way

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Does it really matter if I lose sperm cells if I wasn't going to reproduce anyway?
          I already had my chance and got divorced with no kids, it's over.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I love raw milk, but the company that sold it in supermarkets closed down this year

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Consuming even HRT grade levels of estrogen won't do shit anyway. Transwomen need to take androgen blockers for it to work. Testosterone is much more powerful than estrogen and the body regulates the balance by itself. FTMs don't need estrogen blocking drugs. If you take too much T your body will produce more E to compensate and for this reason a lot of bodybuilders and shit (especially if you use performance enhancing drugs) end up with tits

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        oat milk is basically mostly oil and emulsifiers
        stop wasting your money

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i like a splash of it in my coffee.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            just put actual oats in your coffee

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              cool it with the antisemitism

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not at all. Look into MALK and basically just the back of the oat milk brands. Yeah, a lot are like that, but not all. MALK and Elmhurst both are just water, oats, (very little) salt.

          harming sentient beings bad?

          A quick clean death and non-factory farming conditions is not inhumane. Sure, the way most farming practices happen is bad, but were you to keep some yourself on your property you'd be giving them an okay life/death.

          Lmao this thread attracts unhinged retards who confuse biotech foods with unrelated stuff they are obsessed with.

          Anyway, lab grown mean is in principle a great idea because the feeding an animal to later consume it has a very low thermodynamic efficiency.

          Let me digress a little and mention that the reason to strive for efficiency is not to conserve energy but to budget waste heat.
          So long term once the capacity of the planet to radiate heat into space has been exhausted we'll be living in rotating space habitats anyway which have more stricter constraints on this.

          Current so called """lab-grown""" meat (If it's actual meat) archives the opposite of what it's supposed to. It requires more energy overall to produce and generates more waste heat.
          https://foodinstitute.com/focus/study-lab-grown-meat-potentially-worse-for-environment-than-retail-beef/
          The problem is normies and naturalist retards aren't willing to accept properly done biotech foods produced using GMO bacteria cultures in bioreactors.
          It's a sad state of affairs really, reminds me how edition electrocuted elephants to detract from AC power. See where we've ended up...
          Down the road we could get to the point where it's possible to synthesize the required lipods, proteins, fats and vitamins directly from say natural gas and water and use bioprinters to create meals that are literally perfect in taste and nutritional value beyond what's possible in """nature""".

          >don't do [thing] until it's perfected
          I agree with your overall point and premises, just not your conclusion.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >murder is okay as long it's a "quick clean death"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not exactly against plant milk, but I tried it, and it sucks, even when flavored.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >real meat can't have additives
      All the garbage that animal eats ends up in it's meat. And then they pump meat with whatever they want once it's getting packaged.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >real meat can't have additives in it by default

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't africans just eat the bugs, they are the ones with the growing population

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Africans do eat bugs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically naturally grown bugs are probably healthier than what the average amrimutt eats. Grassfed grasshoppers > twinkies/slop

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You don't know about mosquitos burgers in Africa,

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lab grown meat is cancer cells. Do not eat.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Lab grown meat is cancer cells

      You can drink your onions green with lab grown tumors yourself, Klaus. I'm good on that

      >lab grown tumors

      Debunked
      https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-lab-meat-cancer-animal-cells-449786524119

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >fact check
        ok vaxxie

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not an argument.
          Unvaxxed, btw.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What would be so bad about eating cancer tissue of another animal, anyway? They would die during cooking or in stomach acid anyway. It's not like the cells from steak you ate directly integrate into your body.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        AP is not a credible source.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can drink your onions green with lab grown tumors yourself, Klaus. I'm good on that

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >we
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    Listen I frankly don't care if the chinks breed so much that they all have to eat bugs to survive. I'm sticking with juicy delicious meat.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can drink your onions green with lab grown tumors yourself, Klaus. I'm good on that

      meat harms animals tho.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ...and?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          harming sentient beings bad?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not if it's for food or survival

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Can I harm you then? for food?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Just be honest and say that meat fucking rocks and cut the "survival" bullshit. We can survive with grass, but that doesn't mean I'm going to live my live eating it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You people are literally children.
            >durr is it bad?
            >durr is it good?
            Life isnt a marvel movie retard.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If harming them is bad is it also bad to let them be harmed?
            Dogs can eat vegan food (allegedly) so why can't every carnivore?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >If harming them is bad is it also bad to let them be harmed?
              yes of course.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are they sentient and capable of thought and emotion in the same way human beings are?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yes, have you even seen an animal before?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The apex predator does not give two shits about its prey's feelings. Humans are above every animal on the planet and has thus earned the right do with them as we want which consists of things such as, having pets or eating animals. Bleeding heart homosexuals like you can simply not eat meat if it bothers you.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Edgy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not even edgy. If we were really edgy we'd not have pets and care for them almost more than humans at times. It is just meaningless to appeal to emotion when it comes to animals we consider primarily as food. You've likely killed sentient beings yourself only difference is that they are even less generally emphasized with so you didn't care.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Interesting honestly. Where do people draw the line? Like I feel bad if I step on a snail or something, but I slap mozzies because I deem them as parasites. A farmer might deem snails as parasites though etc.

                I cut down on animal products because I don't need that much of it in my body. Like having meat for 3 meals a day just seems over the top for omnivores. And it's not hard to replace chicken with a can of chickpeas when you're cooking. I support lab grown meat but wouldn't eat it in my lifetime, until there are studies of what it does to you like 50 years down the line.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Where do people draw the line?
                I wouldn't mind eating dog or cat meat, as long as it tastes good. Vegans like to use the argument that people feel bad for a dog but not for a pig, but I wouldn't feel bad at all.
                For me, the line is simply not being human and tasting good, meanwhile native americans have had history of eating actual humans so for them the line lies in whether he was a warrior or not lol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        not eating meat harms my nutrition tho.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm sticking with juicy delicious meat.
      Me too, but for how much can we keep doing that? Unfortunately you can't just go to China and force them to literally stop breeding.
      How much longer will this be sustainable?

      I literally don't care if more animals are killed to serve people meat, that's how humanity survived for millennia.

      It's just getting tiresome that due to globohomo meat demand is skyrocketing.
      First we have idiots trying to convince people to eat ze bugs.
      Then lab processed meat.
      Like, what is the solution? can scientist can really be trusted to not do their tricks on meat?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Until society collapses due to lack of people with IQ and morals, AGI destroying it, Nuclear holocaust or bioweapon holocaust.

        Don't worry, the chance of current society making it to a neomalthusian bottleneck is vanishing. We're killing ourselves or going back to monkey after some other mass die off long before.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >can't force Chinese to stop breeding
        er.. anon..

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Chinks stopped breeding half a century ago. its all africa and india's fault.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If water and arable land is in short supply I think I'd go for hydroponic potatoes.

    Meat is luxury, if you just want some extra protein, the most resource efficient source is likely yeast.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where are you going to get your B12? From algae?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Engineer the yeast to produce B12 or dedicate 1 in a 1000 of the yeast bioreactors to B12 producing bacteria.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          there's a lot more going on with meat than just protein and B-vitamins. We cannot make an artificial copy of it (yet)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >there's a lot more going on with meat than just protein and B-vitamins. We cannot make an artificial copy of it (yet)
            You don't have too. You can raise infants on vegan formula, an adult will perform adequate on a scientific diet from vegetable sources.

            I wouldn't want to eat it, but I'd still survive and thrive.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you can eat from my toilet bowl and survive. that doesn't mean it's an ideal diet. humans are extremely adaptable creatures, that's why we're #1 and dominate every ecosystem.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the reddit elixir

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Due to the fact that unfortunately people can't just stop fucking, we've surpassed the 8billion population mark
    Maybe the pajeets, chinks and african naggers should be put on the bugs+cancer cells diet

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well we certainly aren't hurrying towards a better future because there is big money in spreading FUD and tricking retards into thinking that the government is going to come force you to eat your vegetables

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Brazil is fixing this problem by turning the Amazon rainforest into cattle pasture

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This will also lead to less atmospheric oxygen and humans will evolve to be smaller, which is more sustainable.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The sirs can be vegetarian, big thing in their country. I do like ground beef and chicken breast and I feel those 2 things would be simple starts for lab grown meat.

    But they need to work on growing marbled (unsaturated fat) beef. So they can make "wagyu". Growing whole chunks I can put in a smoker, growing a pork belly etc.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are you suggesting that meat is not meat unless it suffered before you stuffed into your heaving maw? Maybe you're right. But keep that in mind when you and everyone you have ever memed with are themselves and all eaten. Good journey.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Are you suggesting that meat is not meat unless it suffered before you stuffed into your heaving maw?
      Yeah, imagine eating lab meat while the noble mountain lion rips a deer to shreds and scarfs it down raw. Meat requires violence. It's part of nature. Humans are far from the only animals that kill things for food and it's hard to argue that it's immoral when tons of other animals do the same.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You live in areas that look like cancers on the planet from far above and burn decayed organic matter pumped up from kilometers below the ground. You are most likely alive because we've eradicated diseases that have been with the species for most of it's lifetime. You are interacting with a pile of molten sand we've taught how to think to basically engage in intercontinental telepathy. But yeah I guess lab grown meat isn't meat because of some reason or how animals eat or something.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Damn, you almost got me a bingo on my utilitarian fallacy bingo card.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So you've got nothing to say then, ok

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          so all that stuff happened sure
          but every person that is born is still born as a wild human animal and consequently domesticated. Our brains have not evolved away from all the caveman instincts.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Still eating two lbs raw beef daily

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Due to the fact that unfortunately people can't just stop fucking, we've surpassed the 8billion population mark.
    >Thinking growing meat in a tube will solve population growth
    We already have a solution:
    TND

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Bro we just gotta commit genocide and depopulation
      > Noooo it's heckin based because we're doin it to the inferiors!!!

      It is just another way of spreading the ghoulish and evil degrowth agenda

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's absolutely terrible for you and does not compare to real food. do not eat it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Source?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My opinions.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >selling 2 burgers costs as much as raising 2 cows and burns 10 times as much co2 in logistics and electricity
    Thank you, very cool

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    here is a radical idea: you don't actually have to eat meat to have a healthy diet and life. as far as the animals go, they would mostly be extinct or at least endangered if we stopped factory farming them and that would be for the best.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >cows should go extinct but we'll keep joke animals like shitbull and pugs around
      Fuck this gay earth, honestly

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nobody here said keep joke animals around

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We do need meat to be at our best. Only slaves get deprived of meat.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >we need red meat to be at our best
        >dies of cancer or heart disease at 70
        ok

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >dies at a natural age after a long life of peak performance
          Oh no, how horrible.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Caused by vegetable oil which damages cholesterol and mitochondria. Meat and fat are healing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            im gonna damage your mitochondria

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >outright lies

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Correlation does not equal causation

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There indeed was meat propaganda in the 50-60s advanced from the meat industry which literally brain washed an entire generation into thinking that eating meat every fucking day is healthy.

          The real secret is eating it in moderation, like no more than 2 times per week.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What is the part of the post you're inquiring?

              >Why there was meat propaganda?
              Because corporations just wanted to sell more meat.
              >Why the real secret is eating it in moderation?
              Because eating too much meat, as eating too much of anything, causes diseases. You need balance.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what is too much meat and why

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >no more than 2 times per week.

            What are you going to eat the other days? if you're going to say chicken and fish, because that isn't meat, then I'll allow it. but if you say vegetables or carb sources (bread, pasta, wheat) then no.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >chicken isn't meat
              What are you saying?
              >vegetables or carb sources (bread, pasta, wheat) then no
              I refuse to take dietary suggestion from someone that is convinced that chicken is not meat.

              You could argue that is a different kind of meat from red one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the word meat implies red meat in some languages. when talking about chicken, you should especially emphasize that it is white meat.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're full of shit. That's vegan propaganda. You're OK so long as you're not eating a steak breakfast, lunch and evening: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20374748/

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hard disagree.

      Let me give a few premises to support the conclusion that meat is healthier (note: healtier, not healthy and everything else is not healthy at all) than anything that isn't meat.

      >The human body tries to turn whatever is put into its digestive tract into something it can use for its own processes. I.e. If you ate a chicken whole (after cleaning it and chopping of its head and feet), the body would turn all the meat and skin and organs and stuff into nutrients for the body to use. Alternatively, humans don't have the organs to turn plants into useful nutrients (anymore).
      >A chicken's biology is closer to a human's biology than a plant's biology. Meaning, a human's body has more overlap with a chicken's body than a human's body has with a plant.

      So given these two premises, it's easy to conclude that meat is better for the human body than vegetables:
      >The body has an easier time converting raw materials into nutrients, because it's not far removed from what it needs to begin with (cows turn grass into nutrients, humans can't do that).
      >Those raw materials contain more of the actual nutrients we need

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then we should eat human meat.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean... Following my own logic, it would be the 'closest' to our own biology, but there's other reasons why we don't:

          >Kill own species
          >Species stops existing
          vs.
          >Kill other species
          >they die, we keep existing (which is pretty brutal, taht we need to kill others to subsist)

          and legality and morality and whatnot.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Kill own species
            >Species stops existing
            Wrong.
            >Kill other species
            >they die, we keep existing (which is pretty brutal, taht we need to kill others to subsist)
            We're already being killed slowly like livestock. What difference does it make if the killing is a little bit faster?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          human meat carries human diseases
          also family of human meat may make you their next meat

          I mean... Following my own logic, it would be the 'closest' to our own biology, but there's other reasons why we don't:

          >Kill own species
          >Species stops existing
          vs.
          >Kill other species
          >they die, we keep existing (which is pretty brutal, taht we need to kill others to subsist)

          and legality and morality and whatnot.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then grow it.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will continue to farm fish and chickens in my basement. And you will continue to cry about it.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Works on my machine. I’m surrounded by farms who can provide all the fruits veggies and red meat I can fit in my freezer.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vomit

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    relevant LULZ thread

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  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    based malthusian retard
    we could feed 20 billion people

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao this thread attracts unhinged retards who confuse biotech foods with unrelated stuff they are obsessed with.

    Anyway, lab grown mean is in principle a great idea because the feeding an animal to later consume it has a very low thermodynamic efficiency.

    Let me digress a little and mention that the reason to strive for efficiency is not to conserve energy but to budget waste heat.
    So long term once the capacity of the planet to radiate heat into space has been exhausted we'll be living in rotating space habitats anyway which have more stricter constraints on this.

    Current so called """lab-grown""" meat (If it's actual meat) archives the opposite of what it's supposed to. It requires more energy overall to produce and generates more waste heat.
    https://foodinstitute.com/focus/study-lab-grown-meat-potentially-worse-for-environment-than-retail-beef/
    The problem is normies and naturalist retards aren't willing to accept properly done biotech foods produced using GMO bacteria cultures in bioreactors.
    It's a sad state of affairs really, reminds me how edition electrocuted elephants to detract from AC power. See where we've ended up...
    Down the road we could get to the point where it's possible to synthesize the required lipods, proteins, fats and vitamins directly from say natural gas and water and use bioprinters to create meals that are literally perfect in taste and nutritional value beyond what's possible in """nature""".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The problem is normies and naturalist retards aren't willing to accept properly done biotech foods produced using GMO bacteria cultures in bioreactors.
      just use it as a feed for chicken to get palatable eggs. Living of spirulina and shit is dystopian, i would just get legumes instead of that, but i could see them used as part of the recipes
      btw soviet union was working on this and there are some public CIA documents on it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't get what's dystopian about it, if anything it's utopian. Dystopia implies some sort of universal abuse, suffering or oppression.
        Oh and yes the soviets did a lot of based stuff, they just failed because they've created a political rube goldberg machine.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you cannot chew on it, i and most people i asked thing that both it taste bad and the texture is bad.
          that is why i say to maybe use it in some recipes which make it good, but have never seen it yet

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you cannot chew on it, i and most people i asked thing that both it taste bad and the texture is bad.
            I'm not advocating feeding people a paste.
            Again there would be bioprinters that create a complex meal to beyond the quality you'd get from a professional chef.
            For pre-packaged food (meaning everything you can get in the supermarket today) there would be industrial machines that are the equivalent of what an injection molding machine is to a desktop 3d-printer.
            The difference is everything would be perfect, as we define it, no spoilage, no carcinogens no environmental toxins.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i am talking about the present and you about the future. we can already do shit with it and currently is distopian at best, best current shit is just use it to feed animals as the soviets did, instead of wasting resources to feed those animals shit like s oy.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >best current shit is just use it to feed animals as the soviets did, instead of wasting resources to feed those animals shit like s oy.
                Agree with you on that.
                Well upto a point. Depending on your habits you might already eat stuff that could be produced using sources that come from bioreactors.
                Everything that includes flour, starch, sugar in powdered form and pretty much any diary product.
                So cheese, bread, butter, pastry, pasta, etc...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Everything that includes flour, starch, sugar in powdered form and pretty much any diary product.
                >So cheese, bread, butter, pastry, pasta, etc..
                can we in an efficient way?
                seriously i dont know, I have read some very superficial texts and that cia report on the soviets plants.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I can imagine lab grown meat that is
              >no carcinogens no environmental toxins
              but
              >no spoilage
              I find it hard to believe
              If anything it could be a comically long enough time, but not infinite.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              this sounds completely inefficient compared to just raising and eating a chicken

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It requires more energy overall to produce and generates more waste heat.
      I hate this gay humanity so fucking much.
      Why is everyone blindly advocating for lab meat then?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        current thing

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i mean, it doesnt mean that in the future will still that way, but yeah grown meat are the techbros of food, a ton of nonsense.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the sirs and dindun
    aren't they mostly vegetarian

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sirs only eat chicken

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    cant belive im saying this after been here for 20 years but fuck off leave or whatever astroturdiscord ur from

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When can I grow a burger in a jar in my fridge? I don't want to kill cows and pigs because they are smart and actually empathetic animals, but I also can't build muscle on a vegan diet + meat is delicious

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You just want to sell onions meal at meat prices to turn a buck, now fuck off.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Since I don't feel like making my own thread, why isn't human grade kibble a thing?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've been wondering about this myself. A bland, but affordable and nutritious food sounds good for poor people.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just have packets with some extra protein and other missing nutrients to add to (sweet) potatoes.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Natural meat is becoming more and more difficult to be sustainable due to the fact that we're too many
    that's a myth. too few people is a far bigger risk with developing countries getting richer and people having less children and getting older.
    >How safe is this bullshit compared to normal meat?
    we know pretty much nothing about nutrition other than what causes (near) immediate death or severe sickness.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lab grown meat is more expensive, worse for the environment and uses more energy to be produced. Here's a great documentary that explains it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >new experimental thing is expensive
      Woah

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean they couldn't make lab grown butter without fucking up and you expect growing meat is any different?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mean margarine? It's not grown, it's synthesized. Very different thing.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i'd probably just go with a meat alternative when i can, tbh.
    prions scare the shit out of me and i'd rather deal with man boobs than die from giga-alzheimers

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What I don't like about the artificial meats and stuff is that there's still a LOT that we don't know about nutrition, how our bodies process certain things, what all parts of the food matter, etc.

    Like, sure they can make an imitation meat that has protein, looks and smells like meat, cooks like it, etc. but it'll be missing all the micronutrients that most people don't know or care about, and so will missing important things.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    threads like these really trigger my vystopia

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eggs. All of them.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    - Owning nothing
    - Living in a pod
    - Eating bugs
    - Being happy

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't read, I will continue to eat two pounds of meat and fish per day.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >100% processed food
    no thanks

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    israeli slop

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just cut meat out of your diet and skip the gay ass lab stuff

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >lab processed meat.
    Meme unless it's proven that it can be scaled beyond a lab.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Natural meat is fully sustainable, it's city shitters living in deserts needing A++ certified authentic 1000x folded nippon wagyu beef for every meal which takes an entire tanker's worth of fuel to ship across the entire globe that ruin it for the rest of us.
    >live somewhere naturally survivable
    >grow some of your own food
    >specialize in something and encourage your neighbors to do the same
    >trade for things you don't have
    Stop relying on everyone else to make your food for you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wat Australian wagyu with high marbling less than once a month. Full blooded wagyu is sustainable though, it's more licensing, marketing type of thing. It's technically possible to replace most cattle with full blooded wagyu but restrictions.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    mass production of cultered meat is impossible without great advances in medicine, remember, this meat has no immune system.
    >“You can make a big plant, or you can make a clean plant. We need both, and you can’t do that.”
    https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's cruel for animals to exist. A nuclear event should cure this problem, or perhaps we could all become cannibals if starvation occurs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. The very existence of life and sentience is an ethical issue.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this, but unironically. you're literally forcing exitance on your kids without their consent when you have them

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. The very existence of life and sentience is an ethical issue.

      this, but unironically. you're literally forcing exitance on your kids without their consent when you have them

      and yet, here you are, choosing to live when you could stop doing so at any time. It's not that bad. Especially not for us with the time and luxury of posting this shit on the internet and having the means to do so

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I doubt we have enough nukes to radiate the planet to the point higher lifeforms become impossible.

      Besides, there might be animals in the rest of the universe. It's our dutybto create AGI hunter killers to eliminate animal cruelty across the universe.

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If is not kosher, no buy

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Natural meat is becoming more and more difficult to be sustainable
    skill issue
    >thank the sirs and dindun for this
    sirs dont even eat beef and the dindun are starving in africa lmao

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just sit back and let the true covid master plan come to fruition. After 64 variants the trigger that kills all Africans is switched on.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's always enough food to feed billions of chickens and they are more efficient than anything else ever createdby man. Fuck off back to your enviromentalist cults, I'm eating nuggies and never running out of them.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eat RAM sticks

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eat RAM sticks

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How safe is this bullshit compared to normal meat?
    Well, it's much less likely to have disease and parasites, for one. But that was never really the problem with it. The real questions for lab meat are:
    1) Price
    2) Texture
    3) Nutrition
    4) Flavor
    More or less this is order. Once all of those points for lab meat are equal to or better than those of regular meat, then it will become a viable replacement. Maybe the texture can be ignored it you sell it as a ground meat alternative.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A better solution would be to genetically engineer something akin to a flesh tree. I sedentary organism that continually grows throughout its life and can be more or less safely "harvested" for its meat when its too big. It would require continuous feeding via liquid nutrients and wouldn't be able to survive in the wild.

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there are synthetic chemicals in that burger that humans has never consumed before

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why even eat? Why not just inject all your daily protein and nutrients intakes straight into the bloodstream?

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How safe is this bullshit compared to normal meat?
    It isn't right now.
    >Is this a solution to finally stop vegans from being annoying af about killing animals?
    Yes, eventually, but we're not there yet.

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