Struggling to come to terms with the nature of existence

In my mind, it is absolutely mind blowing and terrifying that anything exists at all. How can anything exist, in our perception of the word nothing surely there should just be nothing? How can we not only exist be be conscious and able to even think these thoughts, it's a genuine crisis that makes me sweat buckets, how is it possible i am here typing this now? how is anything existing and how is anything conscious & real? What came before existence? how did something come from nothing? Where did it all begin and how, it is literally pushing me into cold sweats contemplating existence, appearance, perception at all

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what a fucking moron

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he is not a moron, just more enlightened than you funny enough

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is shit I thought about when I was like 5. Hes spiritually and psychologically immature. Otherwise known as a moron.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he is not a moron, just more enlightened than you funny enough

      The real moron is one who does not contemplate or comprehend these questions in their lives.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes and people that arent morons do it very early in their lives. Is OP a child?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My pet theory:
    There is nothing inherently different between things that do exist and things that don't. Any "idea," for lack of a better word, is embodied by its very possibility. The only things that are absolute are the relationships between ideas; logic and property and so on; but even then any "possible combination" of properties would exist. The reason we exist and are on this ball of rock and looking at this website is because the concept of this universe and these consciousnesses and so on must be embodied, and we just happen to be the ones embodying it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but doesn't it make more sense for there to just be nothing at all ever? I know its tough to wrap mind around but to me even tougher to wrap mind around anything existing, consciousness, possibilities, awareness, how did it all come to be, how did something ever come from nothing and if there was never nothing and always something that's even harder for me to comprehend in my human brain

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >if there was never nothing and always something
        As far as we know, there was nothing before the Big Bang.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but doesn't it make more sense for there to just be nothing at all ever?
        It certainly seems like the simplest arrangement, but at least if you believe Descartes it's out of the question.

        Personally, my own intuition is driven by mathematics. Any given mathematical statement is a product of human culture, but the truth of the statement seems to be "out there" independent of cultural factors. There are no ideological disagreements about the value of pi. Mathematics itself is also very indifferent to traditional notions of "existence" and "truth." The truth of a statement is defined only relative to other statements. If there is no predetermined value, then a statement can be chosen to be true or false simply for the sake of discussion. The interesting thing is that these notions of absolute consistency and absolute arbitrariness can coexist. There are no limits to the logical starting point you can take in mathematics, but any two people who start at the same point will always agree with what they find when they explore from there.

        I believe that the underlying structure that mathematics traces, the freest possible absolute, does exist. I say "does exist" only because "must exist" seems too insecure. The exact representation and interpretation of the number "1" is dependent on physics and language and culture, but the underlying logic that is being groped at by the notion of "1" simply is.

        I don't believe an actual infinity exists in nature.

        what does it mean for "an infinity to exist"? could you describe a hypothetical physical system where one does exist and another where it doesn't?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I believe you are onto something here, in the realm of linguistics we are unable to comprehend or put words to the innate question, "something" & "nothing" don't hold the same weight of expression or understanding as the world of arithmetic can demonstrate. Ultimately it boils down to the same question though, how did mathematics come to exist, the universe, consciousness or anything at all. Cause led to affect but the initial cause must be infinite for any of it to make sense

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think a causal framework is necessarily helpful here. Our lives seem to be determined (mostly?) by causality, but there's no obvious reason to extrapolate that to the fundamental nature of being.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I believe you are onto something here, in the realm of linguistics we are unable to comprehend or put words to the innate question, "something" & "nothing" don't hold the same weight of expression or understanding as the world of arithmetic can demonstrate. Ultimately it boils down to the same question though, how did mathematics come to exist, the universe, consciousness or anything at all. Cause led to affect but the initial cause must be infinite for any of it to make sense

              Saw this posted in another thread

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There are no ideological disagreements about the value of pi
          pi isent even a vaule its the average of 2 different geometric variables. see this pic (if it loads...) the length of the lines in the triangles is averaged to calculate the circumference, to get a higher fidelity calculation, you increase the sides of your geometry, 3 to 4 to 500,000 it doesnt matter, you can get infinitely closer to the value of pi well never reaching it. what this means is that the concise relationship between a radius and a circumference is closer to truth or perfection (/swoonz in omnihorizontalvorticularsymetry) then any calculation built upon geometry or integrated quantification. jody foster is great in contact but math is just tool that attempts to quantify the outcome of relation. 0 = 1- 1, dare you to explain this joke (its about zeroing the horizon in integrated fractal systems).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why does this personally upset you? I'm not making fun of your concern, but really asking: you don't know something that doesn't affect you. Are you afraid of something or why do you think you have to know?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You ask the classic question, "Why is there something instead of nothing?"

    Science tells us that our existence, the universe, started with the Big Bang. Philosophy then goes on to tell us:

    1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause of its beginning.
    2. The universe began to exist.
    3. Therefore, the universe has a cause of its beginning.
    4. There cannot exist an infinite regression of causes.
    5. Therefore, there must be something that was the start of the chain of causes but which was not caused itself.
    6. This beginning-less first uncaused cause is what men call God.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When physicists decided to call properties of subatomic particles things like "spin" and "color", they were being lazy and irresponsible. When a philosopher calls a thing-without-cause "God," they are being deliberately misleading.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The argument is valid, but it may not be true in the end.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What came before existence?
      "What" implies something, which implies existence. Don't bother trying to find the origin point or look past it. That's utterly fruitless, as proven by the thousands who spent too much time on it and also got nowhere.

      You don't want the joy to disappear, do you? Some mysteries are mysteries for a good reason.

      >Science tells us that our existence, the universe, started with the Big Bang.
      That is only the most popular theory. There is also the toroidal universe model, that successfully integrates the role of plasmic currents, which the Standard Model does not.

      Leaving that aside, you still end up with a something, when there *should* be a nothing. No amount of examination will pierce the veil of ignorance on that issue. It's almost as if we weren't meant to, or our tools are completely insufficient to the task (a nice noncommital answer for those who hate the idea of universal consciousness).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >our tools are completely insufficient to the task
        We will probably never know for sure. Some have suggested the existence of a multiverse, but that only pushes things back another step.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What came before existence? how did something come from nothing? Where did it all begin and how
      Why does there have be a beginning?

      >Science tells us that our existence, the universe, started with the Big Bang.
      Normies are hopeless.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_cyclic_cosmology

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There doesn't but our minds cannot adequately comprehend something without a beginning hence why I believe OP is suffering some sort of mind/spirit crisis. To realize you are an infinite stream of consciousness, infinite point of awareness doesn't help much when trapped inside the heavily restricted human vessel. We are constantly at war with our phenomenal field of senses, our mind & glimpes of oneness with the observer, when one realizes they are the observer and not their mind body or thoughts, all it usually does is create mind body toughts stress and anxiety

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >4. There cannot exist an infinite regression of causes.
      Why not?

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its all infinity
    nothing is a form of infinity
    everything=nothing

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Scientifically speaking, infinity does not really exist, as far as we know.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        does not really exist,
        Tell that to a mandelbrot set. Go ahead and get to the bottom of it. Call me when you get there.

        if it weren't for matter's dependence/restriction relationship with the Planck length, one could construct an infinite textured surface inside a 1-inch sphere using the internal texture of a 3-d rendered mandelbrot set. You can do it mathematically. I mean... just ask a mathematician how many points can fit into a golf ball.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't believe an actual infinity exists in nature.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's okay.

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            I have been watching the youtube channel actualised lately and he insists that our bodies, your minds, our brains, do not actually exist. That our thoughts are not us, our feelings are not us because we are the observer and we have never truly met the observer, long story short our inherent being is pure point of awareness and we are everything and nothing. Just so hard to come to terms with on a cognitive level which in itself is ironic

            I dig this.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            stand between two mirrors

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just be the moment, and stop worrying about things.
    If you want to understand the essence of being and the substrate of reality, study Aether Theory or ancient religious beliefs. Don't worry so much.
    We are all part of the same source. Aspects of God.
    -
    Thank you for inspiring me with your image. Cyan would be a perfect color for my keyboard right now. The color of Adamantine Lol.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks anon & glad to be of inspiration, is recent pic of my desk

  7. 4 weeks ago
    DaWizeWazoo

    Who can say why our existence began? The more important question is why do we exist? Each of us may find our own answer and my answer is this: to refine our souls. Each one of us has some part of ourselves we do not like or understand. In this time on Earth that we're allotted, why not spend that time to fully understand ourselves and to make an attempt to smooth out the edges. I think by the time of our deaths, our spiritual presence or forms will be dependent on our understandings of ourselves, our religion, and wholeness.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's the ultimate truth that we may never know in this lifetime, we can spend our entire lives studying the nature of reality, chasing knowledge and truth but they in themselves are subsets of creation, consciousness & awareness. We either learn to accept it or fall into existential dread which you are showing symptoms of

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      does not really exist,
      Tell that to a mandelbrot set. Go ahead and get to the bottom of it. Call me when you get there.

      if it weren't for matter's dependence/restriction relationship with the Planck length, one could construct an infinite textured surface inside a 1-inch sphere using the internal texture of a 3-d rendered mandelbrot set. You can do it mathematically. I mean... just ask a mathematician how many points can fit into a golf ball.

      https://i.imgur.com/3BYCH1R.png

      Who can say why our existence began? The more important question is why do we exist? Each of us may find our own answer and my answer is this: to refine our souls. Each one of us has some part of ourselves we do not like or understand. In this time on Earth that we're allotted, why not spend that time to fully understand ourselves and to make an attempt to smooth out the edges. I think by the time of our deaths, our spiritual presence or forms will be dependent on our understandings of ourselves, our religion, and wholeness.

      I have been watching the youtube channel actualised lately and he insists that our bodies, your minds, our brains, do not actually exist. That our thoughts are not us, our feelings are not us because we are the observer and we have never truly met the observer, long story short our inherent being is pure point of awareness and we are everything and nothing. Just so hard to come to terms with on a cognitive level which in itself is ironic

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also makes me wonder about dreams & experiences with other entities on psychedelics. I often lucid dream / astral project but if its happening using construct of my brain and my brain does not exist nor am i my thoughts or feelings it's hard to decipher meaning of any esoteric principles. Everything is magic but we are everything, blows my mind

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The equally impossible task of trying to understand "nothingness" is probably a clue.
    Also, you might not believe this but I'll say it anyway. There actually is no "thing". It's all just consciousness. The true "things" of reality are sound, smell taste, touch, vision, etc.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How can anything exist, in our perception of the word nothing surely there should just be nothing?
    No, why. Our world works on duality and "nothing" is just lack of something. For it to make sense, we have to be aware of the concept of something.

    Anon, I kinda worry about your mind. You have average level of intelligence if you can ponder such things on one hand, but then someone with even less than that would be able to wrap their mind around those concepts yet you struggle. Do you suffer some mental issues?

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be extant
    >the way i perceive the world surly there should be nothing
    >be extant
    >nature and existence are a problem i struggle to come to terms with
    >dosent question perception
    >be extant

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Youre clearly too dumb to think about basic aspects of reality. Probably schizo too.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you can sit in place and agonize and torture yourself over these questions which you ultimately will likely never have complete answers to…
    or you can spit in the face of your fears and decide to keep moving forward, actualizing your will where you can in spite of cosmically terrifying conditions
    food for thought: what would God do in the same circumstance?
    take a breath brother, you’ll be alright

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