So stop masturbating and shackle yourself to a partner, sacrificing your independence and happiness in order to become a good little cog in the society machine?
No, I don't think I will.
I've been in a serious relationship, and I know for a goddamn fact that I actually unironically don't want a partner though.
So fuck you, I will always see through messages like this, and you'll never make someone like me another baby making machine.
>You literally wouldn't exist without collective efforts.
I literally would rather kill myself than have a wife and children.
For all I know, this is the one life I got.
There is NO WAY you can package this message in a way that is appealing to me.
So you can go fuck yourself.
If no one cares to continue society, then it deserves to die out.
Unless you're are schizoid, sociopath, psychopath or narcissist, you are social. Autistic people have fine theory of mind, it's just double empathy that makes it hard in NT society. Want you said was dehumanizing, but you don't even need ToM to state a basic fact about humanity.
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Anonymous
what is the point of your thread? your argument should have been "ban pornography" rather than "masturbation is bad" or whatever
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>happiness
"Man does not strive for happiness, only the Englishman does that" -Nietzsche
People should sexually suffer as it's better than cooming. You literally wouldn't exist without collective efforts.
>People should sexually suffer
what do you mean? abstaining from masturbation? why should an individual do that in a world where infinite sexually stimulating content is available at all times? get rid of that first instead of guilt-tripping people for viewing it.
7 days ago
Ashatistic
>abstaining from masturbation?
Yes. Eating candy all day is bad, even if it's less painful than hunger. Why not the same for sex, masturbation only stops you from having real sex.
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Anonymous
>masturbation only stops you from having real sex
no it doesn't, masturbation is an alternative for people who cannot have sex, it doesn't prevent you from having sex
7 days ago
Anonymous
>masturbation only stops you from having real sex
Someone has to go out of their way to find sex in under to fulfill busting a nut.
Masturbation is simply a more accessible alternative that becomes easier when erotic material is available.
You gave the game away in your first post.
The only reason you take issue with people masturbating is because they're not having babies.
Which is fine, but don't expect that to be that much of a selling point to anyone who has checked out of the dating market.
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Anonymous
btw, candy is still food so a more accurate analogy would be >drawing images of food on pieces of paper and then eating that all day is bad, even if it's less painful than hunger.
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Anonymous
So the real thing of sex is better than masturbation?
As someone who has had sex, I can certainly agree, but the question as to whether or not it's worth shackling yourself to another person for the rest of your life for the sake of reproduction IS COMPLETELY FUCKING DIFFERENT.
And I don't think it's worth it for me.
Not worth the coom.
Not worth the cuddling.
Not worth the sacrifice to my independence and autonomy.
If it's your thing, go ahead, doesn't need to be everyone else's.
>you'd be happier with a family
This literally doesn't apply to everyone.
I already told you from experience I know I wouldn't be happier.
What am I supposed to do?
Go all the way, and have a wife and children in order to find out?
It would be too late for me to turn back by then.
I'd rather be a lone wolf, thank you very much.
Let's be real though, what you're actually thinking is the same as this guy below.
[...] >You're a waste of life and should have a nice day right now rather than sucking up resources that could go to my wife and son.
Seethe fucker seethe.
I contribute to society in my own small way as a wagie.
You're probably some salty father who wishes he didn't sign away his independence in a moment of loneliness.
Project moar homosexual, project moar.
You tradfags will never make being in a relationship sound appealing to anybody who has settled on checking out.
Give up.
My wife let's me do whatever the fuck I want. Try again.
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Anonymous
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>I'm at work
good wagie!
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Anonymous
I'm an attorney working on groundbreaking election law issues (not for a law firm, either), not some beaten down retail, warehouse, or office worker. I spent all day basically just researching and writing about my personal interests, and I get paid a good amount for it.
>My wife let's me do whatever the fuck I want. Try again.
Does she let you fuck other women?
Move to a different country?
Get a different job?
Have as much time alone as your possibly want?
Do you like the fact that when she's upset, that it affects you as well?
Will you have to pay child support if she ends up cheating on you, and takes the kids with her (if you have any)?
If you came to the conclusion today that you wanted your own independence back, would it be too late for you?
I think would.
At the end of the day, I probably work a less stressful job because I'm only feeding one mouth; mine.
project moar.
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so >you need to be making babies or you're mentally ill
Maybe I'm doing my own part to society in a way other than reproducing?
Maybe every man doesn't need to fit the same trad mold?
Maybe this isn't a good selling point for you?
Literally none of those questions or concerns apply to me. I can go out whenever I want, hang out with whomever I want, and I have plenty of time to pursue my interests. I don't need to fuck other women or uproot my career and life to be happy. You sound like you're irrationally afraid of commitment. Making up wild scenarios to psyche yourself out.
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Anonymous
>Literally none of those questions or concerns apply to me
If you're in a closed relationship, the first one definitely does.
>I don't need to fuck other women or uproot my career and life to be happy
Hopefully you never realize that you want to do any of those things before your lifespan runs out.
>You sound like you're irrationally afraid of commitment. Making up wild scenarios to psyche yourself out.
I was simply pointing out ways that your freedom is limited when you're in a relationship.
I could likely list hundreds of other ways.
For all I know, I have one life to live, and I have an existential obligation to be aware of decisions in my life that greatly restrict my personal freedoms.
Because you have a GF doesn't necessarily mean you can't be a polyamorous. And again, what is the benefit of being asocial/antisocial?
>Because you have a GF doesn't necessarily mean you can't be a polyamorous.
CORRECT, which is why I framed it as a question.
If the anon was polyamorous, and that made him happy, good on him.
>And again, what is the benefit of being asocial?
This question is framed strangely from my point of view.
What is the benefit of being social, but to fulfill a psychological/emotional need that some people need more than others?
If I don't think I need to go out of my way to be around other people, than that's less of a sacrifice I have to make.
7 days ago
Anonymous
Your list was basically saying "Oh, you can do whatever you want? Well, can you END your marriage and still remained married?" All that shit you mentioned is marriage-ending shit. You're effectively stating a truism. No, I don't want to fuck other women or leave the country. I wouldn't stay married to my wife if those were my goals.
7 days ago
Anonymous
>All that shit you mentioned is marriage-ending shit.
Things that you would be able to do if you weren't married.
I also mentioned feeling the pain of your partner, which for me, was the deal breaker.
I don't like being in a position where if I'm having a good day, it has to be ruined because someone else who I'm in a relationship with isn't.
I value emotional independence in sense as well.
>No, I don't want to fuck other women or leave the country. I wouldn't stay married to my wife if those were my goals.
So.
This is what YOU want to do.
If your lifestyle makes you happy with all the limitations that come with it, that's great.
It's just that usually I don't find people in your position looking down their nose at someone like me who is a lone wolf and doing my own thing for myself; scolding me that I have to change my ways OR ELSE.
There's always a bit of projection in there.
7 days ago
Anonymous
I'm a trad guy and believe everyone should get married before 25 and have kids before 30. Hence the source of my anger.
7 days ago
Anonymous
>I'm a trad guy
And not everyone is or wants to be.
Your lifestyle is unappealing to me.
7 days ago
Anonymous
Well I don't support live and let live. That leads to degeneracy. If it were up to me, the state would force a man and woman to marry, have kids, and stay together until natural death.
7 days ago
Anonymous
>If it were up to me, the state would force a man and woman to marry, have kids, and stay together until natural death.
I feel like in such a society, you be assassinated pretty quickly; I know I would gladly do it myself.
It would be full of too many unhappy men who wouldn't see the purpose of continuing a civilization where they can't live authentically.
Freedom, happiness, the ability to thrive are what gives value to a civilization, and without those things, even less people would see a point to continuing. >leads to degeneracy
I don't know man.
I've seen trads argue that the age of consent should be lowered to 12.
Again, how are you, and everyone else like you, not suffering from loneliness, if we look at this more hedonisticly.
Oh no, I am lonely to some extent.
The need to get into a relationship to satiate that loneliness is a whole other thing.
The feeling of loneliness might be satiated by other things that don't require the sacrifice of getting into a relationship.
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Ashatistic
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>The feeling of loneliness might be satiated by other things that don't require the sacrifice of getting into a relationship.
Fair enough, but socialization elevates mental health in general
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Ashatistic
The more interconnected people are, generally, the better the mental health and strength.
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Anonymous
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>The feeling of loneliness might be satiated by other things that don't require the sacrifice of getting into a relationship.
Fair enough, but socialization elevates mental health in general
Not denying that either, and I don't completely isolate myself.
It varies from person to person though.
Lone wolfs would exist in even a traditional society, and I feel like my lifestyle wouldn't change regardless of when I was born, with some exceptions.
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Ashatistic
Even if so, not everyone should be a lone wolf. That's unhealthy for society.
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Anonymous
If society wants to exist, sure.
Doesn't mean everyone should be in a relationship either.
In a functional society, you're going to have both kinds of people.
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Ashatistic
>In a functional society, you're going to have both kinds of people.
Even if so, the west has gone way too far in the other direction.
7 days ago
Anonymous
Maybe so, but if society is to fade out of existence because no one really wants to have children, than maybe it's just time to let it happen.
It's like letting someone die of old age.
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Ashatistic
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>What is the benefit of being social
Civilization is literally built off collective and altruistic efforts. Even a basic family structure requires complex socialization.
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>Civilization is literally built off collective and altruistic efforts
This means nothing to me as an individual.
Due to the hard work of others before me, I have the freedom to not be social, and if I'm fine with that, then that's just how it's going to be for me.
7 days ago
Ashatistic
Again, how are you, and everyone else like you, not suffering from loneliness, if we look at this more hedonisticly.
7 days ago
Anonymous
>My wife let's me do whatever the fuck I want. Try again.
Does she let you fuck other women?
Move to a different country?
Get a different job?
Have as much time alone as your possibly want?
Do you like the fact that when she's upset, that it affects you as well?
Will you have to pay child support if she ends up cheating on you, and takes the kids with her (if you have any)?
If you came to the conclusion today that you wanted your own independence back, would it be too late for you?
I think would.
At the end of the day, I probably work a less stressful job because I'm only feeding one mouth; mine.
project moar.
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How can you be autonomous if you're mentally ill?
so >you need to be making babies or you're mentally ill
Maybe I'm doing my own part to society in a way other than reproducing?
Maybe every man doesn't need to fit the same trad mold?
Maybe this isn't a good selling point for you?
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Ashatistic
Because you have a GF doesn't necessarily mean you can't be a polyamorous. And again, what is the benefit of being asocial/antisocial?
>you'd be happier with a family
This literally doesn't apply to everyone.
I already told you from experience I know I wouldn't be happier.
What am I supposed to do?
Go all the way, and have a wife and children in order to find out?
It would be too late for me to turn back by then.
I'd rather be a lone wolf, thank you very much.
Let's be real though, what you're actually thinking is the same as this guy below.
You're a waste of life and should have a nice day right now rather than sucking up resources that could go to my wife and son.
>You're a waste of life and should have a nice day right now rather than sucking up resources that could go to my wife and son.
Seethe fucker seethe.
I contribute to society in my own small way as a wagie.
You're probably some salty father who wishes he didn't sign away his independence in a moment of loneliness.
Project moar homosexual, project moar.
You tradfags will never make being in a relationship sound appealing to anybody who has settled on checking out.
Give up.
I like the idea of polyamory but I feel weird about that one Grindr date I tried as an adventure into non-heteroamorativity because it was pretty great, but then I didn't like the literal aftertaste anymore when it turned out to last in my mouth for 24+ hours.
and I didn't even get coom in any of my orifices, maybe I'm just a bit of a wuss or very picky about tastes.
Maybe so, but if society is to fade out of existence because no one really wants to have children, than maybe it's just time to let it happen.
It's like letting someone die of old age.
People aren't choosing to be natalist, rather the system makes it almost impossible for any people.
>People aren't choosing to be natalist, rather the system makes it almost impossible for any people.
I mean I guess I agree.
Sounds like a problem society's eventually gonna need to address.
I personally wouldn't be having children even if the option was available to me.
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So stop masturbating and shackle yourself to a partner, sacrificing your independence and happiness in order to become a good little cog in the society machine?
No, I don't think I will.
I've been in a serious relationship, and I know for a goddamn fact that I actually unironically don't want a partner though.
So fuck you, I will always see through messages like this, and you'll never make someone like me another baby making machine.
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>happiness
"Man does not strive for happiness, only the Englishman does that" -Nietzsche
People should sexually suffer as it's better than cooming. You literally wouldn't exist without collective efforts.
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>You literally wouldn't exist without collective efforts.
I literally would rather kill myself than have a wife and children.
For all I know, this is the one life I got.
There is NO WAY you can package this message in a way that is appealing to me.
So you can go fuck yourself.
If no one cares to continue society, then it deserves to die out.
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Well, if you want to be individualist, than you'd be happier with a family. You're a social creature after all.
you suck at making arguments because you have some kind of autism disorder and can't understand other people's thoughts and emotions
>muh wife and son
why are you on /LULZ/ retard, go spend time with them instead
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Unless you're are schizoid, sociopath, psychopath or narcissist, you are social. Autistic people have fine theory of mind, it's just double empathy that makes it hard in NT society. Want you said was dehumanizing, but you don't even need ToM to state a basic fact about humanity.
what is the point of your thread? your argument should have been "ban pornography" rather than "masturbation is bad" or whatever
>People should sexually suffer
what do you mean? abstaining from masturbation? why should an individual do that in a world where infinite sexually stimulating content is available at all times? get rid of that first instead of guilt-tripping people for viewing it.
>abstaining from masturbation?
Yes. Eating candy all day is bad, even if it's less painful than hunger. Why not the same for sex, masturbation only stops you from having real sex.
>masturbation only stops you from having real sex
no it doesn't, masturbation is an alternative for people who cannot have sex, it doesn't prevent you from having sex
>masturbation only stops you from having real sex
Someone has to go out of their way to find sex in under to fulfill busting a nut.
Masturbation is simply a more accessible alternative that becomes easier when erotic material is available.
You gave the game away in your first post.
The only reason you take issue with people masturbating is because they're not having babies.
Which is fine, but don't expect that to be that much of a selling point to anyone who has checked out of the dating market.
btw, candy is still food so a more accurate analogy would be
>drawing images of food on pieces of paper and then eating that all day is bad, even if it's less painful than hunger.
So the real thing of sex is better than masturbation?
As someone who has had sex, I can certainly agree, but the question as to whether or not it's worth shackling yourself to another person for the rest of your life for the sake of reproduction IS COMPLETELY FUCKING DIFFERENT.
And I don't think it's worth it for me.
Not worth the coom.
Not worth the cuddling.
Not worth the sacrifice to my independence and autonomy.
If it's your thing, go ahead, doesn't need to be everyone else's.
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How can you be autonomous if you're mentally ill?
>muh garden gnome triangle
Because I'm at work, moron.
My wife let's me do whatever the fuck I want. Try again.
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>I'm at work
good wagie!
I'm an attorney working on groundbreaking election law issues (not for a law firm, either), not some beaten down retail, warehouse, or office worker. I spent all day basically just researching and writing about my personal interests, and I get paid a good amount for it.
Literally none of those questions or concerns apply to me. I can go out whenever I want, hang out with whomever I want, and I have plenty of time to pursue my interests. I don't need to fuck other women or uproot my career and life to be happy. You sound like you're irrationally afraid of commitment. Making up wild scenarios to psyche yourself out.
>Literally none of those questions or concerns apply to me
If you're in a closed relationship, the first one definitely does.
>I don't need to fuck other women or uproot my career and life to be happy
Hopefully you never realize that you want to do any of those things before your lifespan runs out.
>You sound like you're irrationally afraid of commitment. Making up wild scenarios to psyche yourself out.
I was simply pointing out ways that your freedom is limited when you're in a relationship.
I could likely list hundreds of other ways.
For all I know, I have one life to live, and I have an existential obligation to be aware of decisions in my life that greatly restrict my personal freedoms.
>Because you have a GF doesn't necessarily mean you can't be a polyamorous.
CORRECT, which is why I framed it as a question.
If the anon was polyamorous, and that made him happy, good on him.
>And again, what is the benefit of being asocial?
This question is framed strangely from my point of view.
What is the benefit of being social, but to fulfill a psychological/emotional need that some people need more than others?
If I don't think I need to go out of my way to be around other people, than that's less of a sacrifice I have to make.
Your list was basically saying "Oh, you can do whatever you want? Well, can you END your marriage and still remained married?" All that shit you mentioned is marriage-ending shit. You're effectively stating a truism. No, I don't want to fuck other women or leave the country. I wouldn't stay married to my wife if those were my goals.
>All that shit you mentioned is marriage-ending shit.
Things that you would be able to do if you weren't married.
I also mentioned feeling the pain of your partner, which for me, was the deal breaker.
I don't like being in a position where if I'm having a good day, it has to be ruined because someone else who I'm in a relationship with isn't.
I value emotional independence in sense as well.
>No, I don't want to fuck other women or leave the country. I wouldn't stay married to my wife if those were my goals.
So.
This is what YOU want to do.
If your lifestyle makes you happy with all the limitations that come with it, that's great.
It's just that usually I don't find people in your position looking down their nose at someone like me who is a lone wolf and doing my own thing for myself; scolding me that I have to change my ways OR ELSE.
There's always a bit of projection in there.
I'm a trad guy and believe everyone should get married before 25 and have kids before 30. Hence the source of my anger.
>I'm a trad guy
And not everyone is or wants to be.
Your lifestyle is unappealing to me.
Well I don't support live and let live. That leads to degeneracy. If it were up to me, the state would force a man and woman to marry, have kids, and stay together until natural death.
>If it were up to me, the state would force a man and woman to marry, have kids, and stay together until natural death.
I feel like in such a society, you be assassinated pretty quickly; I know I would gladly do it myself.
It would be full of too many unhappy men who wouldn't see the purpose of continuing a civilization where they can't live authentically.
Freedom, happiness, the ability to thrive are what gives value to a civilization, and without those things, even less people would see a point to continuing.
>leads to degeneracy
I don't know man.
I've seen trads argue that the age of consent should be lowered to 12.
Oh no, I am lonely to some extent.
The need to get into a relationship to satiate that loneliness is a whole other thing.
The feeling of loneliness might be satiated by other things that don't require the sacrifice of getting into a relationship.
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>The feeling of loneliness might be satiated by other things that don't require the sacrifice of getting into a relationship.
Fair enough, but socialization elevates mental health in general
The more interconnected people are, generally, the better the mental health and strength.
Not denying that either, and I don't completely isolate myself.
It varies from person to person though.
Lone wolfs would exist in even a traditional society, and I feel like my lifestyle wouldn't change regardless of when I was born, with some exceptions.
Even if so, not everyone should be a lone wolf. That's unhealthy for society.
If society wants to exist, sure.
Doesn't mean everyone should be in a relationship either.
In a functional society, you're going to have both kinds of people.
>In a functional society, you're going to have both kinds of people.
Even if so, the west has gone way too far in the other direction.
Maybe so, but if society is to fade out of existence because no one really wants to have children, than maybe it's just time to let it happen.
It's like letting someone die of old age.
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>What is the benefit of being social
Civilization is literally built off collective and altruistic efforts. Even a basic family structure requires complex socialization.
>Civilization is literally built off collective and altruistic efforts
This means nothing to me as an individual.
Due to the hard work of others before me, I have the freedom to not be social, and if I'm fine with that, then that's just how it's going to be for me.
Again, how are you, and everyone else like you, not suffering from loneliness, if we look at this more hedonisticly.
>My wife let's me do whatever the fuck I want. Try again.
Does she let you fuck other women?
Move to a different country?
Get a different job?
Have as much time alone as your possibly want?
Do you like the fact that when she's upset, that it affects you as well?
Will you have to pay child support if she ends up cheating on you, and takes the kids with her (if you have any)?
If you came to the conclusion today that you wanted your own independence back, would it be too late for you?
I think would.
At the end of the day, I probably work a less stressful job because I'm only feeding one mouth; mine.
project moar.
so
>you need to be making babies or you're mentally ill
Maybe I'm doing my own part to society in a way other than reproducing?
Maybe every man doesn't need to fit the same trad mold?
Maybe this isn't a good selling point for you?
Because you have a GF doesn't necessarily mean you can't be a polyamorous. And again, what is the benefit of being asocial/antisocial?
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>you'd be happier with a family
This literally doesn't apply to everyone.
I already told you from experience I know I wouldn't be happier.
What am I supposed to do?
Go all the way, and have a wife and children in order to find out?
It would be too late for me to turn back by then.
I'd rather be a lone wolf, thank you very much.
Let's be real though, what you're actually thinking is the same as this guy below.
>You're a waste of life and should have a nice day right now rather than sucking up resources that could go to my wife and son.
Seethe fucker seethe.
I contribute to society in my own small way as a wagie.
You're probably some salty father who wishes he didn't sign away his independence in a moment of loneliness.
Project moar homosexual, project moar.
You tradfags will never make being in a relationship sound appealing to anybody who has settled on checking out.
Give up.
I am reading this in a joker voice
kek
ngl, that's a good one.
I don't typically jokerpost, so I kinda deserved that.
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You're a waste of life and should have a nice day right now rather than sucking up resources that could go to my wife and son.
autistic low T bitch zoomer voice
Not watching your video
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I want to fuck this dinosaur so bad its unreal
>look at channel
>all those autism videos
Bruh..
> blames porn
> Blames guns
> Blames religion
> Blames anything except the people themselves, who are in fact shitty people
Yes yes heard it all before
Why would I listen to some 19 year olds lispy hapa voice about porn?
>Stop watching porn
No
>it's ruining society.
It isn't, but if it was then that would be a good thing.
What did society do to you that was so bad that you rather have people atomized?
I like the idea of polyamory but I feel weird about that one Grindr date I tried as an adventure into non-heteroamorativity because it was pretty great, but then I didn't like the literal aftertaste anymore when it turned out to last in my mouth for 24+ hours.
and I didn't even get coom in any of my orifices, maybe I'm just a bit of a wuss or very picky about tastes.
I dont watch porn, I use ai storytellers to generate fap material.
That's just as bad
People aren't choosing to be natalist, rather the system makes it almost impossible for any people.
*antinatalist/anatalist, my bad.
>People aren't choosing to be natalist, rather the system makes it almost impossible for any people.
I mean I guess I agree.
Sounds like a problem society's eventually gonna need to address.
I personally wouldn't be having children even if the option was available to me.
psyop thread. think of sociology and how certain topics can move a society. think about the post you see.
I dont watch porn or jerk off. Nothing is fixed. I have no idea why you retards think it's the answer.
> Idont watch porn or jerk off.
Good for you?
Why the question mark? I'm replying to the op, not saying that in a vacuum. And as I said it makes no difference.
I watch pron before seeing escorts, because it makes my dick hella horny, and the horniness dampens my social anxiety in fucking total strangers.