namely how can i fuck off asap and save myself in this downtrodden job economy, suffering every day
soulcrushing micromanagers and their effects on the economy at large
namely how can i fuck off asap and save myself in this downtrodden job economy, suffering every day
Look obviously luca is a cunt but I don't get what happened, you asked him if you could call him and then blew him off
>you asked him if you could call him and then blew him
and i did. called him at like 12:10 and we chatted through everything. then he wanted to join the qbr for a client he wasn't involved in at all which he had clear visibility to in the weekly and monthly reports.
>and i did
well, i kinda feel bad for him since i already have another offer lined up today that is a 40% increase over my base and my resignation letter is prepared. just want to plan out how long i wanna fuck with him.
Ur gif is frozen >:(
You didn't return a call but you blew him?
Your boss is involved in all your clients affairs, thats what a boss is and does. Are you one of those homosexuals that thinks youre self employed because you wfh?
funny enough you mention this because the two micromanager i resigned from years ago made me produce less than my old boss who was completely hands off. and i wouldnt feel comfortable enough putting him in front of my multinational accounts, no. i was in a call with one of his direct reports as a sme a while ago and he was as useful as a hunk of shit..
the incoming ceo boss of the companu i am going to completely hates crm and report gen. majority of sales fill them up with complete dogshit anyways. so just do your fucking job and your kpis will show. no need to ride my ass so fuck off.
Why aren't you passing work off to this cunt so he can "help support you"
because it was clear he wanted my list of clients and prospects transferred from my regional role to the new local role. he has been digging and prodding it ever since we had the initial chat during the informal transition. awful.
>he wanted my list of clients and prospects transferred from my regional role to the new local role.
Get ahold of this guy's dealer but cut everything's dose by a fraction then get ahold of me
and imagine this, on top of the crm which already gave visibility on activity details he also wanted us to build a db ourselves of a list of prospects no less than 100 which we need to churn through, effectively doubling my workload overnight. the fuck. we already have this in crm learn how to use it ffs.
I have no clue wtf you just said to me or how it relates to my post
quoted wrong guy i am gay sry
It's ok, I also like it very deep in my anus and consequently quote the wrong person as a direct result of my transgressions against nature.
It's obvious Luca needed to be blown when he texted you, not at 12:10. This is going to affect your performance pay.
Why do they do the first name thing? Obviously we both know who is who in this chat. Is it a power thing or just basic manipulation?
it's just a boomer mannerism, my mom cannot write a text without "Hi [name]" at the beginning even if she's known the person for 5 years. and then when you're on the receiving end of it, you feel weird if you don't do it back. it never ends
he sounds like an insufferable little bitch but in the end you're not going to get any satisfaction from dragging it out
i prefeer boomer mannerism over what we have today
I initiate conversation with all my close friends by saying "sup nagger"
>nagger
that's as boomer as it can get
maybe so, jalapeño
It's a left over habit from writing actual letters.
You should push her down and rape her vagina.
also more context sorry but i am raging behind the monitor
>me: 10 years in industry, 4 years in company, senior regional sales guy
>luca: local sales manager
>this year company announces reorg because of course they do whenever they lose 15% of revenue
>i am shifted to his team as a temp placement before new regional roles open up
>old boss was completely hands off, as long as you produce she was fine with whatever you do to get there
>"she" (i know) was pretty cool
>reassigned to be under this guy
>he has 3 meetings a week for his sales team for no fucking reason
>fridays are reserved for "sharing ideas and best practices"
>it's just an hr long meeting of him cutting his teammates off and berating his direct reports on why they are low on prospecting stats and bringing in new logos
>me, being in the call and just listening half out of disgust and half out of curiosity
Is he white?
sry
for you
na, a fucking italian. north i think.
Just do your best op, remember that you're not coworkers but a family <3
>you're not coworkers but a family
[internal screaming]
Hey famaalam I got something to show you outback
I think it's suspicious that you think weekly meetings for teams is micromanaging. If you're a top performer then it's important for team members to get exposure to this. He's likely under constraints that you're not aware of too from above. Just be cool.
he has two. mondays which as a general sales meeting he uses it to drill down on opportunities, doing double work as he also does that in 1/1s. they should be reserved for macro trends, highlighting help/resources needed to push, and so on. and the fridays which he uses to put additional pressure on the team under the guise of idea sharing. very oddputting and a massive waste of time.
You've clearly never dealt with this kind of neurotic homosexualry. Feel blessed, your ignorance is bliss
>If you're a top performer then it's important for team members to get exposure to this.
AHAHAHAHA
"Just train my entire team for free"
and correct. not my fucking job to do his. if i do it i do it out of courtesy/pity.
If you are Senior in any workplace, part of your duties are training those more junior in some capacity, thats the deal.
They don't just give the title out to make you feel like a big boy
training is for TRAINERS and your direct line manager. i am there to offer advice and guidance but it is not a part of the kpi and not expectation. it is our sole discretion to give if if and when we want to. not to be an ass but i am not gonna advertise myself as a coach when i dont get paid for doing it.
Fair enough, I guess we work at different sized places, we don't have dedicated trainers so my seniors are responsible for knowledge sharing and I sometimes have juniors shadow them on tasks (though I select for the seniors who want to go into a people management direction and could benefit from having examples like this to point to as experience)
yes, of course it will vary w size. i have worked both at large and small ones and it will depend on situation. if manpower is tight like at a small firm i would do it with no issues if it doesnt impact my work, and it usually doesn't. but it is the principle of things and also his attitude that is making me completely laying flat and dont want to contribute anything.
The subject is "op being the highest performer among equal ranking colleges".
What you responded to would be a scenario like "op didn't get demoted from regional manager to local counter girl then get told to train everyone else like he's a manager and also give me your entire dossier even though you're here for 3 weeks"
It's literally not his responsibility to train this whops plebs.
why doesn't he just call jerry
Seems like you didnt build enough trust
i started reporting to him only monday. more context:
>in specialized role as i am lane focused for countries
>worked with his direct reports to close BIG business
>he knows exactly how i work
>fast forward to this week
>he's trying to micro me like i am still fresh out of college
Did you confront him and phrased your irritation by this behavior?
yes. i told him he needs to hold off since he dialed in 2 times during my call with the client at the qbr and i was like wtf are you doing. just annoying as FUCK the way he is chasing me for every single small info. all he needed to do was WAIT until our next weekly one on one when i will update him on every significant development that have taken place since.
there's no reason why he needs to be chasing after my ass like this.
So what did he tell you?
missed u. he basically said this was the expectation for anybody he manages, effectivy defining himself as the type of guy who we need to accept the assraping or it's the highway.
He’s up your ass because he knows his jobs is entirely unneeded and he needs other peoples work to show that he isn’t completely worthless.
I would answer his call next time and be like hey what's going on? Make some stupid small talk, then when he asks about the client I would give him a quick rundown then say yeah they're on the other line on hold. I figured it was something super important for you to be calling me twice in such a short time. I used to do this to my boss and it would piss him off super bad. I would have usually finished the business with the client beforehand but a few times I would ask if I could call back.
He's either
>a total homosexual trying to get you to submit
>clueless and trying to make himself relevant
>been told that you are not getting it done and is keeping close tabs on you
Either way sounds like a total fag, but as a Senior its up to you to have difficult conversations with him and others. Or take the other offer and cite his management style as the deciding factor if you want to be petty
>been on his team not even a week
>woah guys keep an eye on him he is a lazy ass low performer for sure
not even mad, i basically had this weekend fo reflect on the shit i gave to these guys in time and effort, coordinating shit and staying up till 2 am writing proposals w the teams from different countries so we can close big wins. fuck them.
the only hidden cost from this is i lose the networking from leaving as it is a top tier company in my industry, but basically due to saturation of filled roles in the region they decided to demote me to a local role and dangle fhe "wait till next year and see bro" carrot.
In his next bullshit meeting, find an opportunity to accuse him of wasting your time and everyone else's. He will chimp out. Then quit. Even if he is apologetic (he won't be) tell him the damage is already done and you have a job lined up elsewhere for higher pay. Be sure to name the reason for your quitting in your exit interview.
OTOH, if you hate the company more than you hate him, tell HR what a great manager he is.
My mother had a new manager who wanted her to put everything she was doing into the Outlook calender, fucking ridiculous. Luckily they got fired.
jesus christ. we are turning exactly into this, and they are trying to babysit every single sales regardless of seniority. i guess the writing is all over the wall at this point as the pressure is coming top down.
Have you given him feedback in your 1-on-1's that he's interrupting your work more than helping it? New managers have a tough time striking the balance between good pressure and overwhelming their reports.
already did, but not as direct as
and i should have put my foot down. i already got intel from his direct reports before transferring to his team and it was basically the same regardless of level. he just loves to hear himself talk and do it top down to his teammates. fucking grim.
The absolute bottom of the barrel of self employment is stealing crossword puzzles off google images and selling it as an Amazon book. The gap between productivity and pay is so large that even this pays more than fast food.
Who is actually buying this though? I doubt it is worth the effort
What effort?
I work a high paying job for a large financial institution in it. I show my domination through my speech with my management. If I need them to know something I will tell them. I would tell this Luca that if you need him to know something that you will keep him in the loop. Give him no more than that. Tell him don't ask him. Also don't be subservient. Be direct.
I'm sure you're on the wrong just by how you're acting here. I mean you made an off topic thread just to whine on /misc/ and show private texts from your job
Luca is going to take credit for whipping lazy Jerry into a productive little worker bee. Buzz buzz.
problem for him is that i was already the most productive on my old team and made it into president club, etc. hell even just finished the management grooming program they had for future leaders for the company. it's sadness and anger.
Do you put cover sheets on your TPS reports?
na, my style is to dive right into it.
I had a boss like this once, they're fucking terrible.
>be me
>start a new position with company
>me and two other dude who are nearing retirement
>both chill as fuck
>really enjoying the job
>three months in our team gets reassigned under a different manager
>he's a micromanaging dickhead who has no idea what we do or how we do it
>regardless he thinks he knows how to do our jobs better than we do
>constantly interferes
>demands he be copied on all correspondence no matter how trivial
>insists that we allow offshore contractors in fucking India to do our jobs even though they fuck everything up
>blames us for their failures
>gets into shouting matches with the business people on our weekly calls
>lies to anyone and everyone about everything to make himself look good
One of the dudes ended up retiring early because of the manager and the other followed pretty soon. I left the team for a promotion as soon as I hit my year. The dickhead manager was doing such a shitty job that the higher-ups found out and ended up basically taking over for him, what a fucking shitshow it was.
this asshole got lucky because they culled every person in the same role throughout the country except a few locations since the sales teams there were big enough. if it were not for his loc i bet he would have died as well. great guy otherwise but terrible as a manager.
I've seen death spirals like this MANY times. I should write a book but dan lyons aleady did
Been there. The boomer who took over had been with the company for less time and knew less than even the lowest ranked of my team. Pretty sure the guy had early stage dementia tbh, but he was the worst kind of worst to the point you can't even feel bad for him. Everyone on Canada side of company wtf'd hard at him getting the position, every management member (myself included) quit after years of high praise work after having to report to him. Pretty sure he only got the position because of boomer nepotism and I heard the guy who recommended him jumped ship shortly after when everyone started noticing what a bad move that was.
I like to check the company's reviews periodically and they've gone from high praise on places like glass door to lowest stars and having to outright block google reviews as even random companies that were contracted started complaining on there. They'll never realize how badly they shot themselves in the foot, but it feels kinda nice to see them crash and burn tbh.
neurotic overthinker
neurotic overthinker
neurotic overthinker
wow everywhere i go heres my co-workers
oh look im not even at work
normally, i'd agree. but you sound like the sort of "delusions of adequacy" homosexual that sucks at their job and blames it on everybody else.
Angry little dick mid manager detected
This is how over-promoted people compensate for their total lack of leadership qualities.
Sucks, bro.
You might need to pull a therapist on him in the 1-on-1 with direct questions like "Are there concerns from the higher-ups about my performance? Is there a reason you feel the need to interrupt my work with this stuff?" and shit like that. If there's a good reason that he's hoverhanding you, get him to cough it up, otherwise, it gives you complete justification to tell him to ease off and spend his time managing the others in the department that need it and accept it.
I'm a director in my department, and everything is very 'hands off' because I pay people to be professionals and I tell them that's the expectation. I've only ever had to fire one person (which sucked), but everyone wants to work in my department, even though we have a lot of hard work to do.
based. you sound exactly like my old boss, you hirin?
Sorry, I'm not, I'm 2-heads above my 'limit' as it is -- also I'm over a tech dept.
Management basically means fending off higher ups from interrupting your worker's workflow. if you are the manager and u are causibg the interrupted workflow YOU ARE THE FUCKING PROBLEM
Define hard work
Good think of working jobs designed for men (unlike your sales job) is that theres no bullshit like that. If a manager acts like that he would just suffer bullying or someone would straight up beat him up.
>tfw
funny shit is he is also shorter than i am and i am not even that tall
Anyone that puts up with that deserves it
>jobs designed for men
Women shouldn't have jobs outside the home apart from women work like nursing. You're actually a feminist arguing for women to take over all cushy white collar jobs, which is exactly what they want.
A week ago, I was up at 3am on Monday and I said to myself that I just couldn't do it anymore. The job I was at paid well and had great benefits, but the woman training me was a micromanaging bitch and the job I was training for went from 4:30pm to 5:30am Monday through Saturday. So that Monday I said fuck it and quit. Be careful when you do that though, I'm having trouble finding work now. My plan is to do two low stress, part time jobs, but I'm having trouble finding those. I can go a couple weeks and still be okay on rent, but I'll fall behind on bills if I don't find something soon. That's all to say it's better to have something lined up when you quit, but every fiber in my being was telling me that I'm too old to put up with shit jobs.
>My plan is to do two low stress, part time jobs
This
If my math is correct, I might actually make MORE doing two part time jobs than I did with one full time job. It'll be working more hours, but I won't mind that if they're low stress jobs.
I'm making more money than I ever have doing two unrelated part time contracts. I probably do a couple hours of what would be considered "work" and I barely have to interact with people. "Full time" is clearly a recipe for miserary and an early grave.
based as well but i think you blew your load early. i had a friend who was in a similar situation that ended up double dipping and telling the old employer to fuck off only after a month into his new job
Yeah I wasn't at this place long, but I could just tell it was slave labor. And yeah, the money was good, but money's not everything. I'll probably be kicking myself when some bills are due, but I'm tired of busting my ass for nothing in return. Misc is the only place that understands.
We're going through something similar at my company, we even call them fucking QBRs. Amazing. I just ignore these people. I actually build the things you homosexuals sell and make you money. So that approach almost always works and when it doesn't I run up on them directly and tell them to their face how it works.
I do appreciate you sales guys. Absolute homosexuals, that you are.
What I would say is if you're a top performer, there's someone you can ride up on to flank his ass. If you're not, you'll have to deal with him. I would recommend directly. If he doesn't like what you have to say, you can always leave.
i love u guys, always try my best to get to desk level to learn as much as i can from you when time allows. we arent all the same my dude.
Love you too buddy. Good luck sales nagger.
give me her number and i'll deal with her
don't just enter it straight up, enter math equations instead where the solutions are the actual phone numbers
Kek
>hello
>my name is mr schrub
>who is this
>no bully my 4chin fren he told me
>what
>final warning israelite bitch *click*
i would basically hit her up like a worker with mundane and random questions
and then drop tons of gore pics on her in response
also, i would post her number to forums and facebook groups frequented by naggers, and i would tell them that she is a hoe down to fuck
not only will she have to deal with gore, but a tidal wave of nagger dick too (if she's a roastie, she might like it)
ultimately, OP gets left alone
Mr. Snrub. Burns backwards!
If the manager wanted to see your emails they would have access, fucking nosey cunt managers!
Just create a log, log times, screenshots, etc.. Once you have enough of the behaviour, make a workplace bullying complaint! Log it all my friend, same as with your whore wife, log everything!
Body worn cameras are also an option.
the one thing i dont understand about working is that there is such a divide between people who are such insanely high EQ i feel like a social retard around them, and people who are absolutely abysmal levels of EQ they are like retarded toddlers who just interrupt everyone they're talking to
its like whiplash sometimes, talking to the high EQ guy who is some gigabrain 200 IQ savant whos studying everything youre saying and oing and then you go talk to the the low EQ guy who just interrupts you if hes not talking for 3 seconds
indicative of low quality hiring process and skill cap being too low/ease of entry. happens in my industry all the time where it kneecaps all the smart ones and rewards the tards.
LOTTERY NATURE OF CAPITALISM. WHOLE SYSTEM IS BASED ON A FUCKING LOTTERY
Most "managers" are fucking morons and are detrimental to their team.
... whats the best option to get close to the big guy of a buisness without beeing seen as delusional asslicker or climbing up the pile of asslicker who work under him?
Work trip/party, bring the cocaine
Not joking
Imagine attending a work "party"
Sorry you're too low on the ladder that yours were all pizza parties, champ. I'm talking free vacations to nice resorts. Poos like you can't fathom it, don't worry.
Imagine going on a vacation
Please do the needful and vacate this thread, Ranjeesh
Why don't you get a real job and stop being a paper pushing homosexual?