some of the trans girls on here

>be stuck in ugly to average man body
>decide to transition
>become ugly to average looking woman
>REEEEEE WHY AM I NOT A 10/10 BOMBSHELL I THOUGHT HRT IS A MIRACLE PILL

You look like women. Just accept that and be happy with it. That was your goal in the first place, no?
Or was your goal to magically become attractive and desirable through magic pills instead?

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    iktf when someone posts some 11/10 phenomenal absolute bombshell of a goddess with tits like a divine gift, and goes "I'm 32, if I take hrt, can I look like this? I've never seen anything more amazing in my life, I want to be her" like ok bitch slow down and make sure you arent just blinded by her sheer otherwordly beauty into wanting to transition, and that you have genuine gender dysphoria. And then some delusional anons will hope in and say "yes you can, just keep fit and use skincare while taking hrt!" Bitch I am a cis woman and it is literally impossible for me to look like that no matter what I do.

    • 1 week ago
      Julie

      Exactly. Beauty is desirable and everyone wants it, but you gotta stay realistic lest you absolutely destroy yourself.
      I feel like it’s becoming more and more common that people desire HRT for "aesthetic reasons" that aren’t directly tied to gender dysphoria. E.g. having boobs isn’t enough, they have to be perfectly shaped D cups. Like, just be happy you have boobs now, girl!
      I’m always an advocate for aiming high and being the best version of yourself, but when it comes to HRT, some stuff is just genetically determined. Learning that some people are just naturally much more attractive is part of learning what it’s like to be a woman hahaha

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >I feel like it’s becoming more and more common that people desire HRT for "aesthetic reasons"
        Are you kidding? It has to be the most common reason, both for the agp coombrains and the depressed permaboymoders

        • 1 week ago
          Julie

          well there are also trans people who genuinely just want a different body and don’t care much if they’ll be just as attractive as before

  2. 1 week ago
    Sif

    i wish i looked like a woman

  3. 1 week ago
    FunnyDog

    Yeah the problem is a lot of trannies need to learn to accept being an ugly woman which is quite a cursed fate

    I wouldn’t go back to that no matter how much you paid me

    • 1 week ago
      Julie

      If someone is truly trans mtf, being an ugly woman is better than being an ugly man

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        this

        ugly women are on average more attractive than ugly men anyways

        • 1 week ago
          Julie

          yeah but it’s more about just being a woman. You may be ugly still, but if you really are more comfortable as a woman, then that’s still better

          is the difference between being an ugly woman or an ugly man whether or not strange older men ask you out on a date while you're pumping gas at the gas station?

          no like other anon said it means you’re an at least average looking woman

          i already knew my fate was being a hon when i started hrt

          i look somewhere between male and female on my best days

          better than being a man tho

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            but why is it better than being a man? what difference is it if you are an ugly woman or an ugly man? to a woman, her beauty i everything. ugly men arent as screwed by society

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        is the difference between being an ugly woman or an ugly man whether or not strange older men ask you out on a date while you're pumping gas at the gas station?

        • 1 week ago
          FunnyDog

          No, if you’re truly ugly and a woman people act like you don’t exist and creeps tend to leave you alone

          You are average if that happens to you

          • 1 week ago
            FunnyDog

            People just treat you poorly compared to normie and attractive people

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            it's only happened once in the last year tho so idk most people leave me alone

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    i already knew my fate was being a hon when i started hrt

    i look somewhere between male and female on my best days

  5. 1 week ago
    beanie

    I would agree 100% if I wasnt one of the exceptions that proves the rule

    Some of us are just fucked and have a valid reason to complain where justvery rare compared to the swarm of bdd girls

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >be stuck in ugly to average man body
    >decide to transition
    >become ugly to average looking man with man boobs
    haha

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >be stuck in ugly to average man body
    So what is the problem blindly rolling the dice?
    >decide to transition
    The dice roll might defy the laws of reality!
    >become ugly to average looking woman
    Fuck, bad roll. But at least I'm a woman now and I'm in the same boat as those who need or will benefit from plastic surgery.
    WHY AM I NOT A 10/10 BOMBSHELL I THOUGHT HRT IS A MIRACLE PILL
    >Ehm, OP you are projecting here and at least you were not the victim of honfidence. I don't know of a worse fate.

    • 1 week ago
      Julie

      I’m not projecting. I’m 2 months into HRT without high hopes, but tbf I have a twink body so I’m gucci.
      I am referring to all of those complaining that they don’t pass or they’re soooo ugly when they could just be glad to be a woman finally

      • 1 week ago
        beanie

        Word of advice

        If you end up fucked like me don't rage against bdd posters yu will never win. Leave now and find a nice hugbox it will be better for your wellbeing

        If you do pass leave and touch grass and live your life as a women hope it happens for you

        • 1 week ago
          Julie

          I’m just here while dysphoria and insecurities torment me. Trying to have a nice time and get some validation and attention from time to time. My body is a good starting point, but my hair and face are fucked

          • 1 week ago
            beanie

            Look depending on how cursed you are they might torment you forever. Better off leaving before it's too late

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >I am referring to all of those complaining that they don’t pass or they’re soooo ugly when they could just be glad to be a woman finally
        Yeah, I hear you this is such a echo chamber of misery with a few passoid devils who have descended to torture all with their aura. This is the best place to get the closest to a real reality check though, resulting in a growing repressor population.

        So your way of thinking does not really work here, even though it is closer to the truth when it comes to transitioning at any age. This is a place with hierarchy of narcissists; with the beautiful on top and the ugly on the bottom - nothing in the middle matters here and is NOT good enough.

        • 1 week ago
          Julie

          I wouldn’t say this board is realistic. It’s a bunch of hyperanalizing schizos and polcels who will shit up any thread they enter anyway. This board is good if you want the harshest and most severe critique possible

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >could just be glad to be a woman finally
          They know this is something thats imposible achive cause you have to be born with it.

          They expect to atleast be good looking bit thats even more hard to do
          Lmao

          Nothing but a downward spiral of despair when you transition

          • 1 week ago
            Julie

            Pessimist mindset + "you have to be born with it"
            Trans people are born trans. A trans woman is born a trans woman. You are a woman and just have to alter your body accordingly. At least, that’s if you’re REALLY trans

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              There's no such thing as trans kids only children that got groomed to it.

              Thats why you transition cut your boob or penis etc.lmao

              • 1 week ago
                Julie

                kys retard

      • 1 week ago
        Pomegranate

        >2 months hrt
        oh fuck off, we’re not here to get lectured by dumbass baby trannies
        keep this same energy in a year

        • 1 week ago
          Julie

          >you look like women
          lmao

          Sophie, fuck off.
          You’re a beautiful woman and you get that told to you 20 times every day. Tttt is literally your hugbox. Stop beating yourself up and just live happily finally. The only demons haunting you are your own

          Yeah I guess but if you aren't trans and don't gave gender dysphoria I don't see why you wouldn't detrans when realizing the " magic attractive girl pill" isn't real?

          But they are! I’ve heard so many people say "I don’t pass I should just detrans" lately. Yes it’s only on this board, but I’m referring to people on this board and not offline people in general

          • 1 week ago
            beanie

            Julie they say that all the timea and they don't actually detransition

            They are just venting there dysphoria out into the world or trying to get people to reassure them and say you do pass for a little dopamine hit

            They are still trans they do this because they are in pain not for malicious reasons or for social clout

            • 1 week ago
              Julie

              I suppose you’re right with that. Maybe I was blinded by emotion. These "OMG I am so ugly and should just detrans" threads just piss me off

          • 1 week ago
            Pomegranate

            >tttt is literally your hugbox
            LMFAOOOOOOOO
            https://imgur.io/a/L8KAgm5
            is this is my hugbox i should kms on the spot

            • 1 week ago
              Julie

              That was ages ago. People react much more kindly to you these days

            • 1 week ago
              Julie

              and we talked on discord in may this year. I’ve been telling you the same shit since then. Just accept yourself. If external validation means nothing to you, learn to give it to you yourself

          • 1 week ago
            Pomegranate

            >You’re a beautiful woman and you get that told to you 20 times every day. Tttt is literally your hugbox
            I dont know what planet your live on, but it is certainly not this one.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 week ago
            Julie

            this is funny but nahhhh Sophie needs to grow out of her self-hate

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >be shoulderhon neckhon ribcage hon skullhon hiphon feethon
    >just be a twinkhon bro, it's hot and valid

    • 1 week ago
      Julie

      No, just be a fucking hon with honfidence. If you were trans you wouldn’t say that being a man is better than being an unpassing woman. Aesthetic chasers are just so dumb

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >If you were trans you wouldn’t say that being a man is better than being an unpassing woman.
        So in a ideal world this would be true, where somehow a average male could become a average female. But the reality is that many will actually get a worse life by not passing because of severe cursed genetics.

        • 1 week ago
          Julie

          If you have "severe cursed genetics" you weren’t attractive to begin with. I’ll repeat it again, if you are actually fucking transgender, being unpassing and treated like shit is still better than being a depressed/suicidal man. jfc

          • 1 week ago
            beanie

            You're gonna have to stop being so based or you're gonna get a cult following

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >If you have "severe cursed genetics" you weren’t attractive to begin with.
            I'm talking about "cursed genetics" that are very desirable as a man, but don't transfer when you transition to a woman.

            Since your therapy for gender dysphoria is transitioning, wouldn't you say that your therapy is severely affected if it's not working properly?

            Even in an ideal situation where you are surrounded by acceptance as a hon you will sense that something is wrong. We humans are very sensitive and if you feel the spotlight is on you constantly it can cause you to misinterpret non verbal communication. You can very easily start to see patterns and project your paranoia of what hides behind their politeness.

            It's not a healthy way to live and in many cases I would say it's impact is just as great as repressing.

            Transitioning is a bunch of compromises, that are only favorable for true sufferers of gender dysphoria. So the pro/con ratio is not in your favor for those who don't REALLY need it. If you look extremely masculine you have to have a iron will and armored skin to have a "normal life".

            The consequences of puberty blockers causing lower IQ for example, should tell you enough how it all is just a crappy band-aid on a severe wound.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Transitioning is a bunch of compromises, that are only favorable for true sufferers of gender dysphoria. So the pro/con ratio is not in your favor for those who don't REALLY need it. If you look extremely masculine you have to have a iron will and armored skin to have a "normal life".
              I'm afab and extremely feminine and dont "REALLY need it", but that's why I lowdose hormones and gaslight people that I'm a pcos butch lesbian and never socially transition. Taking T made me much more mentally stable, and ironically much more accepting of the idea that I'll never live as a man. Transition is a long series of steps and you can choose to take only a few.

            • 1 week ago
              Julie

              You’re right with most of your points. Which is exactly why I’m concerned about all these people who seem to seek HRT not to alleviate GD symptoms!
              IMHO if you are a 10/10 broad and strong looking male, but you are trans, you will still feel better with the crappy bandaid that is HRT rather than leaving the wound out in the open, where it will infest or inflame and grow into depression and suicidality. You will not say "HRT was the worst I could have done" just because you don’t meet an arbitrary attractiveness goal

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >If you were trans you wouldn’t say that being a man is better than being an unpassing woman
        There is no such thing as an unpassing woman
        Trannies who don't pass look like something else, not a woman, not a man. When I look in the mirror I'm honestly disturbed by it and I understand why other would be disturbed too. I hate my male appearance, but what I have now is worse on a very different level

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      replace -hon with -cel and it becomes clear LULZ trannies are just incels with (more) brainrot

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What do you expect transitioning is nothing more than a huge shallow cosmetic procedure that will expire as you age

    • 1 week ago
      Julie

      This is wrong. HRT has huge effects on the emotional state, brain, how you feel sensations and how your body operates too.

      You're gonna have to stop being so based or you're gonna get a cult following

      What if that’s the plan?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >emotional state, brain, how you feel sensations and how your body operates too.

        Exactly like Plastic Surgery

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >This is wrong. HRT has huge effects on the emotional state, brain, how you feel sensations and how your body operates too.
        I've never actually felt this. I had extremely high T before transition, and now I have high E on injections, and both states feel exactly the same

        • 1 week ago
          Julie

          How long have you been on hrt with what regimen?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            3 years, I'm on EV injections + bica, my T is ~15-20 ng/dl
            Before hrt I had 1260 ng/dl T, and I don't feel any different that I do now
            Hrt was purely cosmetic for me

            • 1 week ago
              Julie

              That’s weird. Maybe you’re a bit stoic in general? Like a stable baseline of emotionality. Because HRT definitely makes you more emotional, cry more easily and less aggressive. Those are documented results based on strong evidence

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I was always stoic I guess. I only cried once as an adult, it after a wedding because I'm forever alone and I hate that. Hrt didn't change that at all

                Nah

                I call bs

                You can't tell em emotions aren't way more fucking intense without T dulling them

                This holds true anecdotally you may be an anomaly but for most people the way you experience your emotions and feelings changes significantly

                I know I'm an anomaly. All my trans friends changed in a very obvious way. I think it just means I was always fake trans and being a man on estrogen isn't really different from being a man on testosterone

              • 1 week ago
                Julie

                That’s still wrong. Even if you were a "man on estrogen" you’d experience these effects. Maybe you have. medical condition? Talk to a psychiatrist about it if you really think it’s not in your control. Try to see if it’s just a rusty valve though. Let it out if you can

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I did, was diagnosed with avoidant and schizoid personality disorders. But I didn't have any issues in my life (have a career, house, etc...), so they didn't see the need to put me on any meds
                They diagnosed me with GD too, but I think they were wrong. I only ever wanted to be a woman, I never actually felt I was one

                Everyone is fake trans

                You think other people don't get that especially /tttt/ weirdos?

                You can't say you're a cis guy if you take estrogen sorry you are a tranny all of them are weird and atypical in some way

                Julie is right about not calling people like me trans. I know I'm technically a tranny, but I keep that to myself because it's not really an identity. It's basically a glorified hair/skin care regimen for me

              • 1 week ago
                Julie

                > I only ever wanted to be a woman
                In most cases, cis men don’t feel like this. It feels more like you have issues with your self-image. You don’t perceive yourself as a woman and thus tell yourself you’re just trying to be one.
                Don’t be that harsh to yourself, please. Feel hugged over there, sister
                Also, talk to a psychiatrist again and describe your honest feelings. It’s possible some meds could help you

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you Julie. My therapist said the same thing, but I was very honest with her and I told her that I feel like a man. I just hate looking like one.
                If there was some way to prevent baldness and male aging without estrogen, I'd probably do that, but I don't mind using estrogen at all, it honestly has no downsides for me.
                She probably gave me a GD diagnosis so I would stop DIYing hrt, but I refused to let anyone else pay for this

              • 1 week ago
                Julie

                Well, it seems you have to decide whether you
                >want to be a woman
                or
                >want to not be a bald male
                That seems to be the crux. If you gravitate towards the first, please stop beating yourself up so much

              • 1 week ago
                beanie

                Everyone is fake trans

                You think other people don't get that especially /tttt/ weirdos?

                You can't say you're a cis guy if you take estrogen sorry you are a tranny all of them are weird and atypical in some way

            • 1 week ago
              beanie

              Nah

              I call bs

              You can't tell em emotions aren't way more fucking intense without T dulling them

              This holds true anecdotally you may be an anomaly but for most people the way you experience your emotions and feelings changes significantly

      • 1 week ago
        beanie

        Better to be irl happy then /tttt/ minor celebrity frequent poster

        Would be nice to have someone else yell at passoids for being dumb though

        • 1 week ago
          Julie

          I’m decently happy irl. Just spending my time here when I’m bored with nothing to do and my friends aren’t available. If they are, I’m being happy spending time w the frens

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Thats the whole point of being a tranny
    You are not born a woman so you have to transition,
    >REEEEEE WHY AM I NOT A 10/10 BOMBSHELL I THOUGHT HRT IS A MIRACLE PILL
    It goes to show how these trannies are just for superficial results like that big fake titty teacher from canada
    They have no basic moral values to stand on

    • 1 week ago
      Julie

      No, I wouldn’t call these people trans. They’re chasing looks and an aesthetic, rather than try to just align your gender identity with your body. Someone who is trans is born trans

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Thats for them to decide 🙂

        This is why we need to draw the line in the sand.

        Transitioning should only start at 21

        • 1 week ago
          Julie

          No this is very wrong. People who are born trans can recognize it early if they are educated on it early. Aesthetic chasers typically transition late rather than early, so you’d be hurting actual trans people with it

      • 1 week ago
        beanie

        I disagree

        I think people have alot more internalized transphobia then you do and try to cope with gender dysphoria by acting like it's just an aesthetic like I'm really a she/her hrt femboy I'm not like the other trannies 🙂

        Truth is if you take estrogen as a biological male you aren't a normal dude you are trans. People don't do socially frowned upon life altering shit for an aesthetic only without aomething being different about them. These people are all trans just with varying degrees of co-morbid mental illness and complex's

        • 1 week ago
          Julie

          Probably to some degree. But I can’t shake off the feeling that these people have ulterior motives of social acceptance and desirability by becoming a trans woman, rather than just treating their GD

          • 1 week ago
            beanie

            There isn't much desirability in becoming a trans women except in the rare cases where you are a youngshit and gay and wat to transition for comphet reasons wich is pretty rare

            For late transitioners There is a whole lot more negatives then positives both practically and socially if you transition you can do much easier non life fucking up shit for social recognition especially as an AMAB

            Again I think if you are on HRT I'm going to assume you are actually trans, there are alot of fake trannies for clout out ther but they tend to be not on HRT and AFAB

            • 1 week ago
              Julie

              I know that trans is shit for social acceptance, but you cannot deny that some people seem to desire being attractive over literally anything else. It feels like their thought process is:
              >Ugh I hate being a man
              >I wanna be a pretty woman!
              >I’m just as attractive as before and not pretty?
              >REEEEEEE HRT is THE WORST
              despite then looking more feminine and less manly

              • 1 week ago
                beanie

                I'm guessing you are not attracted to men?

                It's not hard to be romantically desirable as a guy and it has a lot less to do with genetics and luck like with women

                Guys have a better chance being desirable especially as they age past there mid 20s like I agree as a teenager women have it way easier getting partners but as you age it flips substantially

                If you are am ugly is guy you have a much much much better chance of getting partner by increasing your wealth social status and working out as you age rather then trooning out where it's all luck and genetics and youth wich determine how successful you are

                It's not easier as a girl to pickup in the longterm you just think that because you're transgender and dysphoric

              • 1 week ago
                Julie

                I’m certainly biased as a transgender person.

                Not sure what my sexuality has to do with it? In any case, I am pan with a strong preference for feminine people. With men I am much more picky.

                All the point you make are reasonable and valid. I just believe there are people who genuinely see trying to become a pretty woman is the better/easier option. Because estrogen is a "magic pill" to them.

              • 1 week ago
                beanie

                Yeah I guess but if you aren't trans and don't gave gender dysphoria I don't see why you wouldn't detrans when realizing the " magic attractive girl pill" isn't real?

        • 1 week ago
          Julie

          Also, I have very bad internalized transphobia on some days, due to my dysphoria. I cry all day and tell myself I’m stuck in a male body forever being an "estrogenized male". The only difference maybe being that I know I’m a woman on the inside. But yeah, I have those days too, but they are becoming more rare, especially as soon as I get off this hondose 🙂

  11. 1 week ago
    Pomegranate

    >you look like women
    lmao

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No one is born trans thats just stupid.
    Transitioning is an act not a permanent State

    • 1 week ago
      Julie

      Yes people are born trans just like how people are born gay/lesbian. Come back with terf crap when you can support it with data

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a ulgy man tho

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Ikr, I'm a hon, dysphoria is a bitch to deal with especially since I haven't had FFS yet, but I enjoying the ride for the most part and embraced being a non-passing tranny or a gay man with tits, lol.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I wish so desperately that I looked like an ugly woman instead of an ugly man

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    In my experience ugly men generally transition better than attractive ones and vice versa. The features that make men attractive are usually the same features that make women ugly.

  17. 1 week ago
    SpookyCheese

    I will keep seething and be bitter until I rope for good, it’s for the good of mankind

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    My face isn’t the problem, It’s my body. I have an upside down triangle body so that means: Narrow pelvis with broad shoulders.

    Womens clothing doesn’t look good on me and get gendered male 24/7. Is literally kill to get my pre-pubescent body back

    • 1 week ago
      Julie

      I have that too. Well, I’m pretty slim, but my shoulders are still more broad than pelvis area. Kind of a slim athlete bod if that helps. Wear stuff that shows your shoulders, avoid rectangle and wide cleavage and go for v cuts instead. You can minimize them while maximizing your lower half

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