What were the North's motives in the Civil War?

So what were the North's motives in the Civil War?

  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    mostly looting, that's probably where black people learned that behavior. Either that or it's genetic

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Break the back of the slave power and prevent southern planters from creating a new serfdom.

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    For the majority it was a way of completing the yeoman fantasy, southern aristocrats were some how antithetical to the vision of a patchwork of autonomous states.

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Preserving the Union. Your country can't really function if large chunks of it can just secede willy-nilly. All the "muh slaverinoos" shit was just to deter foreign intervention.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Your country can't really function
      *you can't enslave the south with tariffs if they leave

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Having the nerve to accuse others of enslaving you when you are the CSA

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          your historically retarded 21st century morals are showing again, anon

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why the asterisk? You're adding on, not making a correction. Nothing I stated contradicted what you wrote.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Your country can function with the ability to leave the union as leaving the union was a fail-safe against tyranny, not something that would be done in a functioning union

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        The North paid the majority if tariffs. The only tariff regime that deliberately targeted the South was the morrel tariff, and that was passed during the actual civil war.
        You don't know what you're talking about.

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        Keeping the union together.

        Preserving the Union. Your country can't really function if large chunks of it can just secede willy-nilly. All the "muh slaverinoos" shit was just to deter foreign intervention.

        No. The emancipation proclamation served the dual purpose of deligitimising the southern cause internationally and appeasing the radical Republicans and hardliners at home. The republican party was an antislavery party and had always been so.
        Before the war this was limited to countering the efforts of southern states to expand slavery but during the war the radicals and hardliners could not justify keeping the institution alive any longer, it was absurd. Even as the South was trying to kill them the northerners were kowtowing to their every whim

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          You post this every thread. The South had a 90% tariff on raw steel and machinery. The North did not want the South advancing past an agrarian state by any means necessary.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            You keep pretending it's not true. Tariffs were paid on imported goods, the majority of goods were imported by northerners to Northern ports, and it's not even fucking close.
            >The north were keeping us from industrialising
            Fuck off, the South didn't want to industrialise. They weren't even processing their own fucking cotton

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Tariffs are paid by the people selling the products at US ports. There's no way anybody is going to sell the South steel and machinery when they have to pay 90% of it back to the North. This was on purpose. Try to think for once

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                couldn't the South have bought steel and machinery from domestic American producers?

                Also is there any significant evidence that people in the South were actually interested in trying to industrialize? Economic elites in the South seemed pretty committed to agrarian cash crop production.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >couldn't the South have bought steel and machinery from domestic American producers?
                Yes that's exactly what they did, at insanely marked up prices.
                >Economic elites in the South seemed pretty committed to agrarian cash crop production.
                Southern industry may have been smaller than the North, but it was still one of the largest in the world. Most of their milling machines were state of the art steam. South Carolina was producing 4000 tons of commercial grade iron a year before the War but was stalled by the massive amounts of competition from the North (and the tariffs). You can't compete with the Northern factories if they're indirectly tariffing your ability to transport your product (by preventing you from building railroads).

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                All tariffs went through Senate, which was dominated by the democrats since Jackson, and were paid in the north mostly by northerners.
                You're a child who knows neither how tariffs works or how they were applied in this period.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Can you show me a source that Southerners voted for tariffs on their own business?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                How the fuck would they even have done so given that their entire fucking business was an export economy
                How do you vote on tariffs for an export

                Are you legitimately retarded, or are you pretending to be?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >how would southerners vote on tariffs for items they needed
                I don't know you tell me

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                The nullification crisis was ended through compromise, which showed the secession was a big enough deal to force political realignment

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Every other answer is schizo

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Any reason given other than this is cope. The North by and large did not give a shit about black people and cared more about the slavery issue in that slave states tended to be an impenetrable voting bloc. The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't until 3 years into the war. Unlike the South who wrote into the Confederate Constitution that it was about slavery, the North made it very clear that their reason was "no you can't just leave".

      Your country can function with the ability to leave the union as leaving the union was a fail-safe against tyranny, not something that would be done in a functioning union

      >Your country can function with the ability to leave the union
      No it fucking can't unless you want a Balkans-tier shitshow where the nation fractures every time a part of it doesn't like the way things are going.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >No it fucking can't unless you want a Balkans-tier shitshow where the nation fractures every time a part of it doesn't like the way things are going.
        Which is exactly why it was set up that way, because splitting is better than war
        ...OH WAIT

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Which is exactly why it was set up that way
          Yeah for all of 5 minutes before Washington put down the Whiskey Rebellion and the federal government said "no fuck you, you can't make your own unique currency, you can't chimp out at the slightest inconvenience, deal with it"

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            The whiskey rebellion was nothing like the civil war, what a pathetic false equivalence

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              It established that the federal government has supreme authority in domestic affairs, that was the precedent it set.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I wasn't aware that the whiskey rebellion was operating on behalf of a state. It's a wonder why they didn't call it a civil war

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Predominantly preserving the union, although a politically significant minority saw the war in the context of a fight against slavery

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stopping the south from going full retard and becoming a third world teir puppet state for the British

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >third world teir puppet state for the British
      >implying that didn't happen anyway
      what were we doing in ww1 again?

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    seeing this enraged and confused them

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Southerners are weak.

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The South was let off too easy for their treasonous transgressions. Now we suffer the existence of morons like OP.
    Confederates should have been enslaved and forced to reap what they sowed. 7 years for soldiers, life for the officers.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      deal, southerners enslaved, n-words turned into glue. Like any other obsolete farm animal.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      thanks for the input shitskin

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