So.. the xianbeis, who were they? were they turkic? mongolic? and how much impact did they have on china?

So.. the xianbeis, who were they? were they turkic? mongolic? and how much impact did they have on china?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They closed relate Japanic.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    para/proto Huaxia.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tungusic

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Xianbei believed that they descended from a he-wolf and a Xiongnu Chanyu's daughter or daughters. They clearly considered themselves, at least culturally to be Hunnic or Indo-European. There were many Turks and Mongols among their ranks though, perhaps it was just the elites that were Indo-Euro.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they clearly
      You just made this up,none of it is corroborated anywhere

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        retard

        >Our origin myth literally says we consider ourselves Aryans
        Can't get any clearer than that chang. Literally the same origin myth story as the Romans but adapted to their culture.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That’s a Turkish origin myth you imbecile

          It’s occurring in all Turkish dynasties

          There is a reason we say Roman’s and Etruscans were Turks

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Proto-Turkic homeland is BMAC. Asiatic genetic turnover only begins after the fall of the Uyghur Khaganate. Everything before that isn't Turks, Mongols, or Chinese.
            https://indo-european.eu/2021/05/proto-turkic-homeland/

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Fuck off your circle jerk echo chamber cope fest is bullshit. I’m tired of btfo’ing you in threads for weeks on end.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Get obliterated as usual Tunguska

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Go back to your survive the cuck YouTube channel

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Go back to your fantasy Turkish history patreon funded youtube channels

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      retard

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      >They clearly considered themselves, at least culturally to be Hunnic or Indo-European.

      The Xianbei culturally considered themselves whatever they liked. Like for example: when they ruled Northern China they abandoned everything about their culture and saw themselves as Chinese, obliterating Xianbei identity totally.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sure, their culture changed when it was suitable. Doesn't change what they believed their own origins to be though, does it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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        >how much impact did they have on china?
        See

        The Xianbei initially had a foothold in China serving the Jin Dynasty (the guys who won the 3 Kingdoms Wars) in a manner similar to Germanic Foederati in Rome. When the Jin weakened in the 300s, the Xianbei armies revolted and crowned themselves Emperors of China, leading to a period of immense destabilization called the Northern & the Southern Dynasties, where China was split into competing Xianbei Dynasties in the North up to the Yangtze and native Han Chinese Dynasties in the South, which fought both each other and themselves in a series of on & off conflicts from the 300s AD-500s AD. It was worse than the chaos of the Three Kingdoms Era (but the deaths were pretty minimal at least)

        Politically, the Xianbei pretty much turned Northern China into a chaotic mess of short lived Dynasties founded by Xianbei warlords, who were either toppled by internal rivals, scheming in court, weakened by Southern Dynasties, or invaded & deposed by a new Xianbei tribe from Mongolia. Northern China experienced a brief respite in 400s AD under the powerful Northern Wei Dynasty, founded by the Tabgach Xianbei, but unfortunately it collapsed into infighting between Successors in the 500s AD.

        Perhaps the more greater impact of the Xianbei Invasions & Dynasties was in indirect terms: the final death of Chinese feudalism, as destablization destroyed fiefs in Northern & Southern China which made it easy for future Emperors to centralize all land ownership in China by the Sui & Tang Dynasties.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

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          CONTD

          Culturally however the impact of the Xianbei was a bit minimal. Xianbei Dynasties were utter Sinoboos to the core and pretty much accepted the Sinocentric view that their native culture was "Barbaric," and so rapidly adopted Chinese culture both in an effort to "civilize" their people and legitimize their reign in China.

          At the very most their contributions to Chinese culture were improvements to Chinese cavalry tactics, further additions to the Great Wall's length (ironically enough) and the folk tale of Mulan.

          Sure, their culture changed when it was suitable. Doesn't change what they believed their own origins to be though, does it.

          >Sure, their culture changed when it was suitable. Doesn't change what they believed their own origins to be though, does it.

          It actually did. During the Wu Hu ("Five Barbarians") Uprising, Xianbei Generals claimed descent from either the Han Dynasty or Liu Bei's family line, and justified their rebellion vs. the Jin as "Restoration of the Han."

          The Tuoba Wei memed themselves as related to the Three Kindgoms era Cao Wei Dynasty by claiming that they descended from a Chinese princess that the Cao Clan married to the Xiongnu to seal an alliance.

          They're not like the later Mongols or the Manchu who retained bits of their Culture during their reign in China, the Xianbei's Chinese LARP ran deep son.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Shame. Chink history would be much better with Xianbei names
            Every single one of these surnames sound better than ching chong ping pong
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change_of_Xianbei_names_to_Han_names

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

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              >Puliurumu
              >Bayasawalanami
              >Yanyanwanyan
              >Shigishanyan
              >Kebochanggan
              >Cool
              They sound like Filipino candy names lol. I guess even the Xianbei know how silly their names are.

              Its also worth noting that we don't even know what the Xianbei called themselves since "Xianbei" is a Chinese ethnonym for the group.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds like Pajeet names. The fuck?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Damn, just learnt that even Filipinos have better names than chinks

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                Modern Filipinos try to give themselves Chinese-sounding names to ape their Chinese Upper Classes but end up having clown names instead like Pongpong Hernandez or some shit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty sure that BongBong has a native etymology. I've seen a Bambang in Indonesia before, and I wouldn't be surprised if these two share the same origin

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Whatever I'd rather die than get named Kengkeng Morales or some shit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, multiethnic name is kinda hard to pull right

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                bong bong is just regular name to chinese. His parents were smart to name that way, makes the chinks think he's one of them

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                >bong bong is just regular name to chinese.
                It is...if you're a dog or a panda that is.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >His parents were smart to name that way, makes the chinks think he's one of them
                That would be stupid since Ferdinand was very much pro-America. Plus there was no reason to get closer to China back in the 60's or whenever he was born since China was still fresh off their own civil war and not particularly influential

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              unlikely, 50% of the chinese population shares 19 last names, so most names go extinct. beside that chinese last names have a tendency to shorten itself to one syallable. Even if it survives that, it prob won't survive Ming dynasty's sinification policy.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >destroyed feudalism
          elaborate?
          From what I can tell, their biggest contribution was the militarization of northern china and the cultivation of a Northern military aristocracy which would have a huge influence on later Tang expansionism and cosmopolitanism. Mulan and her story belonged to one of this hereditary military households

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but xiongnus are turkic tho?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      >Our origin myth literally says we consider ourselves Aryans
      Can't get any clearer than that chang. Literally the same origin myth story as the Romans but adapted to their culture.

      We Wuz Changs

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally Turks.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turkics

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Originally they were mostly Mongolic. After conquering the Xiongnu and succeeding them on the Eastern Steppe, they incorporated many of the remaining Hunno-Turkics. These heterogenous "Xianbei" tribes then played a big role during the Northern Kingdoms period.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Really?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Northern Chinese are phenotypically and culturally different from southern Chinese. They are Turks.

    They eat more beef and steak. They eat wheat. They are taller and have more sharp features. Women have bigger breasts.

    Beifan

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      Turks are just one of many and not even the earliest. The Shang called everyone outside their realm in Henan barbarians. The middle kingdom was defined by being surrounded by these people. It's safe to say that every chink living outside that area is Sinicized barbarians. The Qin and Chu states that laid the foundation of Imperial China were considered semi-barbarians

      Honestly it's kinda impressive how successive Chinese imperial dynasty sinicized these people so thoroughly that they aren't even aware of it. Although I guess it easier for asian to do that since they all rook same. It would be harder to convince a blond blue eyed Germanic and a swarthy North African that they have always been a pure and unified people for 5000 years

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Northern Chinese tend to eat wheat in general because it suits the climate better.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      The OG Chinese farmed millet & wheat, you dumb roach. If you look up Chinese ancient/early imperial records, they barely mention rice, and tend to refer to millet & wheat grains.

      Ricehomosexualry came much later after the full conquest of the South in the Later Han-Northern/Southern Dynasties Era.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are some Xianbei samples from Kazakhstan and Mongolia.

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