So the glowies always had access to my crypto?
I'm so fucking demoralized right now.
So the glowies always had access to my crypto? I'm so fucking demoralized right now.
So the glowies always had access to my crypto?
I'm so fucking demoralized right now.
paper and pen?
The point of a hardware wallet is for your keys to never touch the internet or a computer and every transaction has to be manually approved.
Pen and paper doesn't do that, retard.
metamask itself does approval for all transactions. the fact that you simply ignore this feature just proves how fucking retarded you are and in dire need of REDDIT GOLD SURROGATES like a fucking LEDGER SHIT-O
>metamask itself does approval for all transactions
Clicking a button on metamask and physically needing a hardware wallet device are two different things.
Dumb ass
Like I told, you those are the same things. if you think differently, you are blinded by the supposed "bling" of a unsecure ledger device.
Enjoy your firmware upgrades, lel
you know nothing off what you claim to have expertise on, fucking casual user
I just buy stainless steel plates and engrave them. Plates cost 10 bucks.
There's a method making seeds with dice also.
Based metal enjoyer. You can go even cheaper.
your pic is a SHIT example of how to use metal engraved seeds. Your break it, you lose the order, it's cumberstone.. it's simply shit.
The state of the art is a simple Ledger Nano S, a blockplate (resilient to fires, explosion, bending, no possible loss of info or mnemonic ordering)
No no no you are wrong lol it has the numbers stamped in there too. I thought of that, fren.
Well I think if there is a jet fuel fire in my home I've probably got bigger problems than losing my Crypto. It's 316 stainless steel so it doesn't have zinc, which lowers the melting point of steel. It can withstand a house fire, but you're probably right in saying it wouldn't survive a plane crashing and exploding into my home.
>he still thinks a nano s is safe
Just because the device doesn’t have the memory capacity to support the encryption to three shards does not mean it can’t be exploited to expose the priv key and be back doored.
This makes it more accessible to a wider audience and accelerates the mainstream adoption of blockchain technology.
nagger how do you expect metamask to do approval for your paper wallet if you don't type in your private key into it whcih a keylogger can pick up?
He's signing transactions in an airgapped computer and transferring it with a USB drive to the Metamask hot wallet.
I understand but that's also retarded. many HDDs died on me and keeping anything higher than 4 figures on a computer or simple thumb drive is just retarded. I hope he doesn't back up his seed.
I'm looking into coldcard right now. it's a better airgrapped solution.
>metamask
that's a hotwallet sir.
It's really easy. All you have to do is write down your private address then do a little basic mathetmatics and you can create any signature for whatever you need to sign. I can do it on 1 A4 piece of paper
retard
When people say this, which wallet is the BTC stored on? The private keys still reference a specific address on the blockchain. I don't get how you can have a paper wallet without it either being on a hardware wallet, a software wallet, or a CEX wallet. It's not like Crypto is stored on the paper itself, it has to be on the blockchain, but I don't get how you can exclusively have a paper wallet.
Also
>fire
You should have a metal backup like I do for my trezor. Stainless steel washers on a bolt. Cost me about $5 for the metal and $10 for the stamp kit and I sleep easy knowing even a fire can't damage my wallet.
Can someone answer this
You are simply right and you understand well. You are right that a paper only wallet doesn't solve the "making and signing transactions safely" part. Hardware wallets are necessary, that's why Ledger is a billion dollar company, simple as that
That doesn't answer my question. How can you generate a wallet without using a cex, dex, or hardware wallet? You can't just write some words down on paper and have that be your wallet address, it has to be a reference to an actual wallet on the blockchain.
Ah!
Yeah you lack a fundamental information:
Generating a wallet is ALWAYS just picking a random number between 2^01 and 2^256. That's all.
So you can create your wallets offline, no issue. Hardware wallets like Ledger have a TRNG system to generate this random seed. Only important point: for it to be random.
All of crypto is built on top of that
I did not know this. Interesting. Imagine doing this and then by some freak statistical accident, creating an existing wallet. I know that there is virtually no chance you could possibly do this, but the chance is higher than zero.
How can a person select a random number though?
there are more possible combinations of wallets than there are atoms in the universe
yes yes, but there are collisions, so in reality it's only a small fraction of the atoms in the universe
yeah but it will likely never happen, virtually impossible to happen except if randomness isn't good
>How can a person select a random number though?
roll some dice
you have a greater chance of being sucked into a Supermassive Black Hole and the center of a galaxy 300 million light years from Earth probably.
how can you do that, it doesn't make sense
>implying metal cant be melted by fire
tell that to the world trade centers
I'll be real with you here. It's all a ponzi scheme. You own words. The crypto currency fake internet money never leaves the internet.
>retard gets scammed into buying crypto
>israelite that sold him crypto uses the fiat to buy houses
crypto psyop in a nutshell. applies to stocks as well.
"Property" and real estate are scams too. The only reason that exists is because you have faith in the government to enforce laws. Look at all the businesses burned by nagger mobs in 2016 and 2020 or whatever. You only own what you can defend, that's reality. Everything else is an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
Why does crypto attract so many schizos?
>schizo
>for keeping my life savings on a stainless steel bolt
are all of you this retarded? You don't need a fucking wallet, you can do it all on paper. You just have to download the btc blockchain to make transactions. Same with ethereum. Just interact with the contract directly. The crypto exists on chain, most people dont realize a wallet is nothing more than a dumb ledger that says "this address has access to x amount of crypto". Are you guys joking or
I don't why people have so much trouble understand this, when it is a simple thing.
Crypto is always on the block chain. The seed+passphrase is just the information you use to sign a transaction proving you authorize it. The key never has to be online. Its just that the math to sign things is very involved and requires a computer, but it could be an entirely off line computer (or done by hand but it takes days).
Maybe the problem is that the term hardware "wallet" is a misnomer. The hardware wallet doesn't store anything that doesn't exist outside the wallet. The hardware "wallet" is just a way to use the seed+passphrase to sign transactions without exposing the seed to any computer or online.
You're wallet is still controlled by the seed+passphrase which is just information. It can be written down offline (which is safest) or stored in your email (not safe) or memorized. You'll just need that information to sign transactions, that's it. And a hardware "wallet" is just a way to do it without exposing your seed to a computer.
If you just receive crypto, only hold, never make transactions, then you never have to use your seed at all other than to generate an address one time. Hardware wallets are for using your crypto, signing transactions.
I'm a brainlet and I was using a HW wallet for the convenience. I just hodl and plan on cashing out years from now. Would this work:
1. build a cheap PC without a network card, install something like linux mint on it.
2. Follow the guide on MEW for offline wallets:https://help.myetherwallet.com/en/articles/6512619-using-mew-offline-current-mew-version-6
3. store my seed phrase on paper somewhere safe.
If the PC I built is damaged or destroyed, I still have my seed phrase written down like any other HW wallet.
The other option was doing something like gnosis safe with my existing ledger and go the multisig route but I don't know shit about gnosis.
Lowkey treehugger detected
God I want to stuff my face in those hot sweaty panties and have her smother me
Financially speaking of course
well it's a cartoon drawing, so that's never going to happen.
I've never even dreamed of fucking a cartoon character. Dunno if that's possible either
You can do that with an airgapped laptop and not increase your attack surface using one of these closed source firmware monstrosities, retard.
Gigachad mode
Retard alert
if you're using trezor your transactions also get signed on the device itself instead of the computer. keys never even touch the computer.
>ledger redditors out off the woodworks
paper wallet ONLY homosexual
was always the case
Have fun getting your crypto yoinked from a hacker because you can't manually approve transactions
LMAO
fucking retarded ledger owner
I can do whatever I want. Use io in metamask, send transactions using a programming language or foundry, do all of this on an airgapped laptop, than transmit a signed transaction on the open internet after transfering it by a usb device
FULL CONTROL OF THE PROCESS
Ledger redditors are fucking RETARDED and were FINALLY PROVEN SO
I'm sure you do all that to just send a non-secure transaction
LMAO
Literally every time I see someone spazzing out because they fucked up and lost all their crypto, they were always using that metamask bullshit. Literally every single time. Im not going anywhere near that metamask bullshit
C4nkxwmU glowing so stronk
i dont see the problem. the entire selling point was just so you wouldnt get your shit stolen by keeping all your coins on your retarded boomer goysoft 11 machine with javacuck enabled so every chink keylogger known to man can steal your wallet. they never promised to make you immune from the feds taking physical possession of your gay little ledger USB. any hardware can be compromised once you have physical access to it.
PAPER WALLET + generating the private key by coin tosses or dice rolls IS KING
ALWAYS WAS
But you still use metamask to send transactions
LMAO, dumb ass
100 sided die master race
How do you sign transactions with a paper wallet?
you get a pen and sign it? fucking retards on this site, man
show your disappointment by joining this community initiative called FuLedger to make a DIY hardware wallet alternative, fuck you ledger
i can't be assed to buy another hardware wallet. all i wanna know is am i safe if i didn't upgrade the firmware?
and am i less safe than having a normal hot wallet?
Just don't launch their dumb ass software and you'll be good.
Buy a Trezor if you want
only launched it when i first got the device. i use Keplr as my interface
it's 100% safe, if they wanted to steal your shit they would've done it over the 5+ years the product has existed. and they would've stolen that shit before admitting on twitter that it's possible.
just ignore the ragebaiting of redditors having the revelation that their wallet isn't immune from the feds
You've got to bank on an L2 project that has a military grade encryption and does well as storage for your assets as well as communication.
This is the antithesis of crypto, they might not steal but the government could force them to if you owed money for something child support back taxes etc. etc. Why you are ok with this is beyond me
Were in crypto to make money are you stupid? LULZ tards keep chimping out about governments seizing criminal funds when they thmselves havnt left their mums basement in years.
Pro tip dont be a criminal its really not difficult
That's why I keep all my crypto save on binance.
>noooo you can't just keep all your crypto on an old android device with a max length password!
Lmao
>headquarters in Paris and California
LoooooooooOOOOOOOL
blablabla
fucking retards Itt. Biz truly is SHIT.
Ledgers can do that if you enable the feature, but it is indeed questionable. The feature is actually noy bad for normies: it sends 3 fragments of your seed, encrypted with your password+id, to 3-5 companies.
Anyway, it's not like it was the subject of this thread. It's biz, we are here to SHIT all over the wall
i have not updated my ledger nano s firmware in probably 2 years and i have a passphrase so that does not phase me
but yeah if i were to buy a new one i would pick a blockstream jade probably
Why the FUCK do you retards still trust hardware wallets? Just store it on the blockchain, and secure your seed.
are you dumb?
because it is more convinient? not everyone wants to spazz out about creating their own seed by rolling a 100 sided dice for 5 hours and then only interacting with a airgapped laptop you only use for the purpose of signing transactions
hardware wallets work fine for their purpose and have not been hacked except for this one old exploit you could do if you had physical acess to a trezor
Ledger has best hardware and I trust french-swiss with embedded systems security a million times more than fucking americans. Imagine even thinking of using a US HW
If you're using a computer to do anything with crypto then it's compromised, and since you can't do anything in crypto without a computer the whole thing is compromised. Government places their backdoors at the hardware and OS level. enjoy
The Nano S is not affected, the firmware update only works for the S-plus and the X.
OG Nano S chads win again... and now it's sold out everywhere LOL!
That was the whole point of a cashless society. Retard
this thread is sponsored by Trezor, thanks everyone for fudding the dominant manufacturer of hardware wallets.
Not your keys, not your wallet. Self custody gots your back
Self custody protocol is a top notch. Worth's aping on.
all money is corrupt
having any money is retarded
the best thing you can do for self improvement is live like Diogenes
money is only generated to enslave people
the only reason it exists is to pay taxes
you have to eventually pay taxes to exist on a part of God's land or the israelites will send some retard over there to shoot you
internet money is even more israelitey than regular money but it does have neat benefits
such as being a universal commodity
if it all melts just live like Diogenes or better, Jesus.
more people need to read this! you are appreciated anon.
>Just ignore every opportunity to gain weight and power, goy!
Fuck off.
God is the alpha
the end and the beginning
satan is an aspect of God to trap scared retards who wont self-sacrifice for the greater good
this is a proving ground
our souls are a collection of right and wrong decisions
the seven deadly sins and the opposite encompass all fields of rationale
Never seen a person that talked like you and wasn't a bad person.
i dont come to an agreeance about something wrong to be friends with others
i say it competitively aimed at the truth with literal regard for feelings like an autist
though maybe i need to find a happy medium
this is a bottom signal, right?
bitcoin will retain value. it falls right into what they want to do, move everyone onto the internet
you have to have a cell phone and email to have a bank account and so on. why not online money? to buy or sell you would need to carry around a harmful device/be integrated into the beast system/be tracked.
they will fight it though because they always control both sides. it will be heavily regulated unless people fight back against those that threaten them
i dont know much about this stuff
i see what i can see and thats it. the bible makes sense, big puzzles pieces but i dont waste my time with particular things
bitcoin is a weird digital gold, it doesn't get used. If we make cash truly digital, then Monero should get used. Or efficient L1s with stablecoins (algo, poly)
leave Christcuck nagger
back to hooking your own nose in your ass
>Just ignore every opportunity to gain weight
>live like diogenes
I too like masturbating in public.
>if it all melts
what?
Aside from jokes. I tried it. Doesn't work for me.
Elements are to harsh, need protection. Besides that, unless you have real proven skill you could move to a place like lapland or alaska and go from there. Else its just a constant harrasment by police. People were actually nice unless you're in the city.
You shouldn't put so much value on money in the first place thinking it makes/breaks people. If it wasn't money, it'd be land. If it isn't land it is some other resource. Some people want control and others to be controlled. It isn't money, as ironically jesus said. It's the love for. It's greed and those emotions will manifest themselves with or without money, trough some other form.
exactly right
they will come kick your door down about anything because evil exists in that form
the love of the self. pride vs love
lead vs gold. life vs death. black vs. white. good vs bad. its time and the arena our souls are given characteristic in
ultimately time is a filter for good and bad
this is why it may not be bitcoin but its a proxy to work out anything they didnt think of
it certainly wont be monero though. i think that guy is controlled but what do i know
either way people who love control will never give you a place to hide
how does the feds taking my piece of paper with my private key beat the feds taking my hardware wallet and forcing ledger to give them my private key? Explain it to me like I'm a Redditor.
>forcing ledger to give them my private key
but you are ok with ledger having access to your pk?
Anon, There's much more risk now in the market but I use Trezor for hardware wallet and Sylo smart wallet to store assets I'm most likely to send anonymously..
I think sylo has more to offer than just this... Let do more research.
>sylo
Jeets are working overtime lately shilling this garbage. I had a large bag of it in 2021 and I held onto it for a long time, and even tried to use the app.
Absolute garbage. I dropped that shit so hard it's unbelievable. Same goes for VRA. Two garbage projects with no future other than creating a legion of baggies.
Lool at the fucking chart for sylo, Jesus.
Keep an eye on it, the gem is good at redefining the rules and reducing reliance on centralized authorities, enabling open and decentralized communication in the Metaverse.
Theres nothing you could do if the feds completely focused their attention on you. Your little hardware wallet is a joke to their full force.
Imagine stressing over something you're not even important enough to be targeted by. Why are Americans like this?
The only reason you're not being targeted is because you're a needle in a haystack so you're hidden by the crowd and the effort/time it takes to complete the task of targeting each individual crypto holder repetitively. But with advancements in AI that won't matter soon. They'll just have the AI rug everyone at one time.
Not your hardware patent not your keys, lmao
how did this shit even surface? whistleblower? leak?
No they proudly announced it as a new feature for idiots who might lose their seed, they thought it should cost $10 a month to have it "backed up" but for some reason they didn't think people would chimp out over the firmware extracting the private key... Ooh la la le merd!
So its literally just moderators and janitors promoting frauds and larping as advertisers all day long in this board. No wonder this board is dead. The amount of scams and frauds is ridiculous
if anything biz should be a scam complaint board to expose frauds since nobody wants to share business tips that would reduce their footing. biz is the exact opposite of what it should be.
All hardware wallets are backdoored for the government.
Biz is the most paranoid board on 4chon
I suggest you take a visit to /g if you want to unravel everything you thought you knew about computers... biz is still not paranoid enough.
Pretty much this
I tried to tell you about these hardware wallets, but all I got was angry retards calling me a retard.
Get a ThinkPad, install Linux = there's your hardware wallet.
how do you find a thinkpad with no wifi card? do you buy one and take it to a shop and tell them to yoink the wireless adapters from the PCIe and mobo?
Just get an old Dell Optiplex or something. Most of those old office grade PCs don't have built in WiFi cards and you can find them super cheap. Install Linux and a wallet, disconnect the Ethernet cable, generate a new wallet, and write down your seed. Done.
what wallet to install? Thinking of something like this as mentioned
>will x protect me against interdimensional aliens within the simulation
lol
lmao even
>Akshually your funds were ALWAYS compromised chuddy
Incredible that they are genuinely using this as a defense
There are so many layers to their incompetence, I feel like a massive happening is inevitable
People will be looking back at these events and wonder how anyone could be stupid enough not to get out
>he's not using a raspberry pi to hold his crypto
Ledger wallets are.... wallets. You don't keep your life savings in a wallet, you keep enough for convenience for transactions.
For fucks sake, buy some brass strips, buy a metal letter embosser, and make your own cold storage wallet.
>brass
Why brass? I'm using 316 stainless steel for mine but it was still cheap as fuck. The stamping kit will last forever too and even that only cost me $10
>He's not storing his crypto in a lost rusty weather station up an unnamed Norwegian mountain peak which can only be accessed by 3 days of climbing a nearly vertical windy perpetually frozen North side glacier
ngmi
Heading there now anon, thanks for the free money 🙂
oopsies! 🙂
put your recovering phrases on the google cloud incase your house burns down.
>he has not made an own language to encrypt seeds to upload them into the cloud
so is this a class action lawsuit in the making? am i gonna get a stimmy from this?
Use a trezor retard, ledger has always been closed source and using custom built chips.
This is why trezor was fuded for years
Pic rel is the only ledger I trust to keep my crypto
True fucking Crypt motherfuckers!
was this not proven to be insecure like a decade ago?
Insecure for TC means it could get your windows bootloader fucked up if something weird happened to windows while encrypting the driver, I've been using it for almost a decade and never had problems with it
Nowadays I use it on top of Linux so it's even better
Ledger lost.
It was the most shilled hardware wallet on this board and all of a sudden you see all these posts on how open source (trezor) is not to be trusted, you need to airgap all your shit, there’s backdoors, etc. Shit that LULZ wouldn’t even agree with.
You lost.
I can't believe this company survived their data breach what 2-3 years ago you gotta be a giganormie to trust this company
So what wallet do I use, just download bitcoin core?
Just memorize your key? Its just 12 words.
Lol after you all hash out what to use, buy some blackswan
I researched Ledger 1 year ago before deciding not to purchase.
Couldn't find any source code.
99% of crypto bros are larping retards that deserve to lose everything.
ledger uses proprietary software. you wouldn't know what they were doing anyway. that's why you're supposed to use open source software to interact with your wallets.
>the future of finance
CRYPTO was always a joke