So I was having second thoughts about hrt and decided to go in the r/detrans discord for advice

Are all the stuff they’re saying real or is it just fearmongering? They’re saying a lot of stuff about how hrt has health risks and things like that and that how nobody ends up happy and if I transition young I’ll run into a lot of problems. This is really scaring me and I’m wondering if what they’re saying is correct and I should just back out and go back to being a regular dude and purge myself from all of this stuff.

  1. 4 months ago
    Ayden

    Take your estrogen Samantha
    Take your gel billy

    You're retarded if you believe detrans larps

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >getting advice from the internet, discord of all places
    This was your first mistake Anon. If you have genuine concerns you should discuss them with your doctor.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I actually am seeing a therapist now and he knows a lot about gender so I will def discuss it with him, but the detrans people are saying that all the gender therapists are bs

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        They think gender therapist are bs because they don't blindly agree with everything they say.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, its because gender therapists DID blindly agree with everything they said

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >No, its because gender therapists DID blindly agree with everything they said
            on average, it's much better for therapists and doctors to believe patients than to disbelieve them. if a patient consistently tells you they want and need something, you're going to cause far more harm in general by defaulting to and persisting in disbelief. people need to accept responsibility for their own choices and decisions

            I do think therapists and doctors should be very rigorous and even harsh with patients to try to rule out the possibility of them doing something they may later regret, but none of them are being like "feeling sad, huh? you might be transgender!" it's people telling them they've wanted to be the opposite sex for years, and they try to help them

            yes, it is a complex subject: in some cases they probably could do more to try to warn them about the possibility that they may change their mind - I think "regret minimization" for both to-be happy transitioners and would-be unhappy detransitioners is very important; neither trans nor cis people should be weighed or prioritized more than the other - but then that's what should be advocated for, not this absurd, pathos-driven, /misc/-tier propaganda

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    the parts that are true (regarding estrogen) is risk of permanent infertility and permanent dick shrinkage and ball shrinkage, but all 3 can easily be avoided if you are aware of this

    also, antiandrogens and puberty blockers can sometimes have health risks

    the rest is cultish bullshit and fearmongering. if you're just taking pure estrogen or testosterone and your levels are around what the levels a cis person of that sex would have, the health risks are very low for the vast majority of people

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      (actually, ball shrinkage may not be avoidable. not sure)

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don’t want permanent dick shrinkage, who do I avoid it? They’re saying no matter what I’m gonna have a small dick

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        T gel and masturbating regularly. Use it or lose it.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I don’t want permanent dick shrinkage, who do I avoid it? They’re saying no matter what I’m gonna have a small dick
        like the other anon said: apply T gel weekly and masturbate regularly. I've done that and don't appear to have had any issues so far

        it was the #1 thing keeping me away from trying HRT, but enough anons eventually convinced me T gel and masturbating sufficiently reduced the risk. the T gel saturates the penile tissue's testosterone receptors and keeps it working, without letting too much testosterone into your bloodstream (a small amount will, but it doesn't really mean anything). use gloves when applying it

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          What t gel did you use and what areas of the penis do you apply it on?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What t gel did you use and what areas of the penis do you apply it on?
            otokonoko (easiest one to get, as far as I can tell)

            I just try to have it cover as much of the surface area as possible. so, basically a layer over the whole thing, top to bottom, 360 degrees

            The side effects are overblown but the real problem is that you will eventually have to start trying to pass as a woman. This will require a surgery or two on your face or even on the body. If you cannot afford them then you will be living in limbo hell. And even if you can the surgeries might end up botched. "Passing" might seem doable at first but it gets more difficult the older you get. It will also not magically make you stay young and you will quickly realize that any woman that shows signs of aging is seen as less valuable.

            >but the real problem is that you will eventually have to start trying to pass as a woman.
            not necessarily. HRT femboys exist

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >not necessarily. HRT femboys exist
              Yea ok and what when HRT femboy closes 30? They have to decide if they wanna focus on surgeries and get some extra time for being this weird boy girl thing or live it off as a undeveloped man.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I fail to see how you could wind up with permanent dick shrinkage because that would imply that you could permanently increase the size of your dick as well, which society has yet to discover

          What is it with other mtf's and wanting to keep there dick length

          I want that mfer as small as humanly possible like it's 7 inches atm I want it under 2 inches long but I jerk off way to regularly to get any shrinkage :/

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What is it with other mtf's and wanting to keep there dick length
            >I want that mfer as small as humanly possible like it's 7 inches atm I want it under 2 inches long but I jerk off way to regularly to get any shrinkage :/
            note my flag: I'm an HRT femboy, not a mtf. people claim HRT femboys are all trans copers, and some probably are, but many aren't. I definitely am just a straight cis guy who likes the idea of having a more lithe, soft astatic

            I can of course understand why many/most mtfs would want theirs small. it's just folly to assume everyone taking feminine HRT is mtf. futamaxxers, dickgirls, enbies, traps, HRT femboys, HRT twinks, HRT twunks; the list goes on

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              based, i usually dont like femboys but some can be extremely based

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I fail to see how you could wind up with permanent dick shrinkage because that would imply that you could permanently increase the size of your dick as well, which society has yet to discover

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I fail to see how you could wind up with permanent dick shrinkage because that would imply that you could permanently increase the size of your dick as well, which society has yet to discover
        I don't understand the supposed mechanism myself, but many report this. it may or may not be true but better safe than sorry, pretty much

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They are biased but so are trannies. Just do what you think is best trust yourself leaving such important decisions to others will leave you disappointed everytime.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    one of the rare instances where i can't tell if this is b8 or not
    on the off chance it isn't:
    the average r/detrans user literally isn't a destransitioner
    only a small portion of their userbase has ever touched hrt. most are cis TERFs or "desisters" (literally just someone who's thought about trooning at some point without ever acting on it)
    these people don't know what the fuck they're talking about, and yes, they are intentionally fearmongering, because in their eyes nobody should ever transition
    truth is there are no "health risks" associated with transition unless you're literally retarded and fuck up real bad
    at the end of the day if you're here you should be grown so do some fucking research and make your own decisions instead of relying on random people on the internet
    if you're not grown go do your homework or something kid idk

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I did research effects of hrt and it all sounded good, but apart of me still says “what if I regret it”, one trans girl who’s 31 told me When I’m 30 and stuck with boobs and not pass and be stuck infertile and I will want kids super bad

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        idk man figure it out yourself
        you too fucking feeble minded to make your own decisions?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >and I will want kids super bad
        freeze sperm beforehand

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine unironically wanting kids

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I defo don’t want kids but apparently this person I’m talking to says I’ll change my mind lol

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's all fearmongering. It only changes your health profile to that of a cis woman, you'd still be perfectly healthy, and quality of life goes way up. If you're not sure you're trans in the first place that's one thing but if you are you don't have anything to worry about.

            Also don't listen to anyone from r/detrans, it's literally a right wing sub. They'll make shit up if they think it'll scare you away from transitioning.

            Some people do change their minds as they get older, but yeah freezing sperm is easy.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              You seem to have no idea about the state of medicine if you're willing to believe some of the things in this /misc/-tier infographic, as well as thinking that freezing sperm is no big deal
              >t. Medical researcher

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >r/detrans
    >hrt
    Ahaha, what would they know about HRT? Ahahahah XD
    See you later, John50.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The side effects are overblown but the real problem is that you will eventually have to start trying to pass as a woman. This will require a surgery or two on your face or even on the body. If you cannot afford them then you will be living in limbo hell. And even if you can the surgeries might end up botched. "Passing" might seem doable at first but it gets more difficult the older you get. It will also not magically make you stay young and you will quickly realize that any woman that shows signs of aging is seen as less valuable.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      OP seems pretty young, she might not actually need ffs.
      >sexual market value
      Fuck off with that incel shit

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yea but they are still going to age lol. And it's not incel shit. Even as a man I feel much more comfortable around others when I am good looking.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Women age better than men, see how comfortable you feel in twenty years. Not everything revolves around hookup culture.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Women age better than men
            This is the cope to end all copes

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              age better than men
              >This is the cope to end all copes
              the claim is that women - cis or trans - who consistently supplement estrogen, including before their 40s (and long before menopause), age very well, and that the meme of women aging poorly is due to estrogen levels naturally dropping over time

              It's not about who ages better on some objective biological scale. It's about the values and expectations that have been imprinted into genders. Like if a woman shows signs of aging it is seen as a bad thing but for a man it's not and sometimes it's even ideal.

              but yeah, also this. imo both factors should be taken into consideration. there is an objective biological correlate in that both culture and individuals associate female attractiveness with more youthful looks and male attractiveness with more rugged looks, and youthful looks are tied to one's biology

              in addition, this cultural trend is likely partly or mostly biologically-induced, as natural selection probably instilled "young women = healthier offspring". (the age of the man also matters, since sperm accumulate mutations over time, but I think the women's age plays a bigger role since they're responsible for the lion's share of the reproductive process)

              it's very unfair, but that's just how things are. when it comes to physical attractiveness, everything is pretty unfair for everyone, and the only real recourse is to assign much less value to it, including by spending time on anonymous and pseudonymous communication media so people can be assessed more for their minds than their bodies

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Not my problem most women don't know how to take care of themselves.

              It's not about who ages better on some objective biological scale. It's about the values and expectations that have been imprinted into genders. Like if a woman shows signs of aging it is seen as a bad thing but for a man it's not and sometimes it's even ideal.

              Yeah that's true. Misogyny is always gonna be a problem though, it isn't anywhere near bad enough to warrant not transitioning over.

              You seem to have no idea about the state of medicine if you're willing to believe some of the things in this /misc/-tier infographic, as well as thinking that freezing sperm is no big deal
              >t. Medical researcher

              >t. Medical researcher
              What's your specialty?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's not about who ages better on some objective biological scale. It's about the values and expectations that have been imprinted into genders. Like if a woman shows signs of aging it is seen as a bad thing but for a man it's not and sometimes it's even ideal.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Do you prefer:
        >less hot
        >uglier
        >smaller dating pool size
        >less desirable lifetime partners
        Fucking pedantic retard

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP don't listen to the coping retards ITT

    Detrans is an important perspective to consider if you're actually thinking about transitioning (although I wouldn't get it from discord)
    Remember that this condition is exceedingly rare, about an order of magnitude rarer than gay people so by odds you are probably not trans

    Listen to the videos of Benjamin A. Boyce on youtube, he does very even keel interviews not only with lots of people who transitioned and regretted it (never really needed it) but also proper trans people

    Don't get swept up in the hype of a meme, being transgender is a literal disorder not an identity
    Whatever you do, don't let them mutilate your genitals because the surgery is nowhere near that yet

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Remember that this condition is exceedingly rare, about an order of magnitude rarer than gay people so by odds you are probably not trans
      yes, the base rate is low, but for any given case you have to multiply probabilities. if someone has been strongly expressing desires to be the opposite sex for years, that greatly, greatly increases the odds.

      >don't listen to the coping retards ITT
      >Don't get swept up in the hype of a meme
      >being transgender is a literal disorder not an identity
      >don't let them mutilate your genitals
      lol, you're a bitter repressor, aren't you

      OP should listen to detransitioners and should expose themselves to as much information as possible from as many people as possible, but your extremely skewed framing betrays your real goal, here.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Uh no my framing is merely skewed against mentally ill people on this board, some of whom are worse than /LULZ/, telling OP (who doesn't sound like he's been "strongly expressing these desires for years" when he's ready to "back out and go back to being a regular dude" btw) that he should ignore all the people who got fucked over majorly by a medical system that just doesn't care enough about them to do followup studies

        You're projecting onto me like I have any motives other than to help mentally ill people be informed about what they may be doing

        Being transgender is a disorder, but it has a massive community of people and tons of disinformation out there parroted by zoomers on tiktok just trying to get clout
        You don't see other disorders having such "communities" other than in the way of support groups to help each other get through life living with it; lung cancer is not an identity

        Medical social contagions are a real thing that happens every several years and they have disastrous effects on those who are misdiagnosed or wrongly self diagnosed

        >OP should listen to detransitioners and should expose themselves to as much information as possible from as many people as possible
        This is basically what I'm saying

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You don't see other disorders having such "communities" other than in the way of support groups to help each other get through life living with it;
          Lmao, DID would like to have a word with you. You sure talk a lot, yet you say nothing. It's time to go back, polfag.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >XYZ disorders would like to have a word with you
            Yes I'm aware there are communities which operate similar to this one at the moment, like DID, autism, tourettes, ADHD to an extent
            But the degree to which they behave like the trans community, that is to say acting like it's an important identity and not something they have to live with, is basically proportional to how "cool" it is at the moment
            When you see normal people pretending to have these disorders in order to gain bizarre clout, the community has overstepped into becoming an identity

            I'm not even a polfag
            What infuriates me so much about you people is how you assume I'm a le ebil polfag just because I mention that OP should listen to other legitimate perspectives
            It just shows how much of an echochamber you're in

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I'm not even a polfag
              x-doubt.jpg

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                nah, I believe them. they don't seem like a /misc/tard. they've just swallowed a lot of koolaid that's come downstream from /misc/ and terfs and such. they're slurping from the swamp without being fully aware of it

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You're projecting onto me like I have any motives other than to help mentally ill people be informed about what they may be doing
          >while saying all of that
          Yup. No alternative motive here. None whatsoever.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >alternative
            You meant ulterior.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              I stand by what I said

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I’ve always been feminine I just recently got into femboy and stuff, and basically I was informed my femboy look wouldn’t last forever so I considered hrt

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You don't see other disorders having such "communities" other than in the way of support groups to help each other get through life living with it; lung cancer is not an identity
          being trans is not a disorder, though. it just isn't. people can transition genders/alter their bodies for any and every reason. gender dysphoria can be considered a kind of disorder, but you do not need gender dysphoria to be trans. the only thing you need to be trans is to take cross-sex hormones and identify as the opposite sex, for any reason.

          it's certainly a very serious, significant decision to make, especially if surgery is involved, but it's still just a body (and, to some extent, brain) alteration. taking SSRIs or adderall every day for a year or years (like so many people do) is a more significant neurology change than taking estrogen/testosterone, and steroids are a fairly equivalent body change.

          >he should ignore all the people who got fucked over majorly by a medical system that just doesn't care enough about them to do followup studies
          as far as I'm aware there've been several studies of transitioners that assessed them for years

          >You're projecting onto me like I have any motives other than to help mentally ill people be informed about what they may be doing
          chinese robber fallacy

          >Medical social contagions are a real thing that happens every several years and they have disastrous effects on those who are misdiagnosed or wrongly self diagnosed
          social contagions are real, yes, which is why people should research and consider things very carefully before deciding to pursue medical transition. people should be exposed to the idea that their self-image might be being influenced by social factors. but indirectly calling most trans people "mentally ill coping retards swept up in the hype of a meme mutilating their genitals due to a literal disorder which isn't an identity" is pants-on-head retarded

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I really don't know where to begin with this post since it seems we simply have different priors

            I'll just say this:
            I agree with you that trans people are a reality and not a delusion like some people believe aka "pray the gay away"

            I suppose our fundamental disagreement is that it would be better for people to alter their bodies, minds, or whathaveyou for "any and every reason"
            Doing that seems to be shifting the focus to a mindset of an external locus of control rather than an internal, which is in almost all cases less healthy
            Obviously to what degree this happens matters, because wearing a new style of tshirt is not gonna have that great or permanent effect as being on aderall (or melatonin like my friend) for years and years
            Just because it's possible to turn yourself into a barbie or a bogdanoff now doesn't mean it's healthy
            I hope you get the philosophy thrust of these points, I'm not trying to be facetious

            >Chinese robber
            The great irony is this is what got trans people noticed in the first place
            It's a matter of percentages isn't it
            Before medical and political recognition of this disorder, or dysphoria, people would say "ah everyone who likes to dress up as a girl is a pervert" ignoring the ones who were actually trans

            But you stringing my most colorful words together into one epik strawman is obviously going to have the effect that you'd expect

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Lmao what trans has existed for way longer wdym, it was even in Germany until nazis came in to burn all the books

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                It existed but it wasn't anywhere near recognized

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    r/detrans doesnt even have real detrooners its just all terfs, they think ocd bpd adhd etc can make a cis person troon and later detroon, they just think anyone that is vulnerable in any way at all is going to be tricked into troonong including every disorder, theyre all just retards, reddit wont ban them cuz muh victim of thing censhorhsihp just like 'bpdlovedones'

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ask LULZ if redditors are correct
    There are OFFICIAL WEBSITES you don't even have to go to a professional

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I always see this trans thing the same was as being a hippy, scene emo or brony back then. They were all some hip trends people with no identity wanted to be part of but at least they didn't involve messing up with your body.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This
      I think people are talking past eachother ITT

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