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So how are people in apartments supposed to recharge their cars in 20 years?

So how are people in apartments supposed to recharge their cars in 20 years?
Like is every apartment going to have to accommodate electric vehicle charging?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >So how are people in apartments supposed to recharge their cars in 20 years?
    I don't know because I have the blessing to not be an urbanrat living in a urbanpod. Those people don't matter.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its just part of the future. Someday you'll go to your car and fund someone unplugged it to fuck with you or to use the charger themselves. You won't be able to make it in those days.
    >my car didn't charge
    Will the excuse for missing work in the future.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they wont. nothing about le electric future actually works but nobody listens to engineers anymore. my street can take a few 1000 kW, one EV on fast charge pumps 200-300 kW already.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the vast majority of domestic charging will be slow charging overnight

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it doesn't matter, 100 people slow charging at the same time is just as bad and the power is almost exclusively generated by fossile fuels at night anyway. When you only charge your cars at night a diesel unironically becomes the much cleaner car.
        But none of this matters, the goyim must buy the new thing and so they will.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >fossile fuels

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >one EV on fast charge pumps 200-300 kW already.
      There will be penalties for using fast charge. Screencap this.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        penalty for the poor, luxury for the rich

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Agreed, but more like you won't be able to install one in an apartment parking spot. The apartment dweller will end up with a 10A inductive charger in his parking stall, that he has to pay a premium to the landlord for. There will be a current limit enforced for the garage as a whole, which will be less than the sum of all chargers. Overnight charging may proceed with as little as 3 amps per car.

        they wont. nothing about le electric future actually works but nobody listens to engineers anymore. my street can take a few 1000 kW, one EV on fast charge pumps 200-300 kW already.

        >nobody listens to engineers anymore
        As an engineer, let me say that my fellow engineers, like Musk, mistake their competence in one area of engineering for competence in all areas, the shitheads.

        And so it goes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just would trickle charge overnight anyway.
      99% of cars spend most of their life standing still at home anyway.

      So how are people in apartments supposed to recharge their cars in 20 years?
      Like is every apartment going to have to accommodate electric vehicle charging?

      Regular plugs all over the parking garage for every spot. One central computer that divides loads.
      Chargers in every street lantern.

      Some public charging spots all over the place for faster charging.
      Very fast charging at former gas stations.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    people in apartments are supposed to ride the bus or walk or ride a bicycle

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    cities have housing supply constraints because of stupid apartments that need parking, if you want to drive a car and live in an apartment... don't live in a city. if you want to live in the city but live in an apartment, then ride the bus

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >So how are people in apartments supposed to recharge their cars in 20 years?
    they're not, they're supposed to pay monthly for uber share

    and you will be happy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's FAR more likely that inner city/dense areas will do away with car ownership altogether. Ride sharing, electric scooters, those services that are like lime scooters but for whole ass cars. That's the shit that will take over.

      this, it's that simple
      owning a car while living in cities will become a luxury
      cities will become increasingly less car friendly in favor of public transport, bikes, foot trafic, e-scooter and self driving pods
      the writing is on the wall honestly
      but then again why would any sane human being want to live in a city ...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >cities will become increasingly less car friendly in favor of public transport, bikes, foot trafic, e-scooter and self driving pods
        Good

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          FUCK public transport
          FUCK bikes
          FUCK e-scooters
          FUCK self driving pods
          EUC ALL THE WAY

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This makes sense in so few environments it's not even funny, also practically every developed country has legally regulated these things already.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >FUCK self driving pods
            lol holy shit these are the biggest fucking memes I've ever seen.
            My city got a $50 million grant from DC to "bring the city into the future".
            I thought they were going to put in a shitload of EV charging stations, or some kind of citywide wifi for downtown.
            But instead they used all of it to get these shitty ai pods.
            You know the hilarious thing? They put them in the fucking ghetto for some reason. They thought bringing those to the ghetto would pretty it up and gentrify it I guess. I don't know.
            Anyway, it failed miserably and didn't even last 2 years before they scrapped it.
            $50mil literally into some corpo's pocket.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Like is every apartment going to have to accommodate electric vehicle charging?
    Yes because I'm going to drag a fucking recharging cable from the 10th floor to the appartement complex' parking lot

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's FAR more likely that inner city/dense areas will do away with car ownership altogether. Ride sharing, electric scooters, those services that are like lime scooters but for whole ass cars. That's the shit that will take over.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I bring stuff like this up in every gloom thread that someone makes about how 2035 or some bullshit year will be the death date. I find it very hard to believe that any world government will work to achieve a future where any person can charge their car when they please.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > I don't know anything about governments outside us

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm actually writing a paper about it for uni. There is no solution for this. You are a little bit luckier if you have a designated parking spot. Maybe the landlord will consider installing Charging infrastructure if its profitable but considering the cost for wiring etc. It probably wont ever be.
    If you own the apartment you can install a Wallbox at your parking spot if the other tanants in the building agree to it aswell. Since parking spots are usually further away from the building in those cases, the cost for installation are 5-7k.
    Tldr: Owning an EV makes no sense if you don't own a house. Car sharing will be the future in cities like others anons have said. You won't own anything and you will be happy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A third of all jobs in Germany are directly or indirectly connected to car manufacturing (might be outdated data) if the middle class can't afford cars anymore, then we might hit a giant economic crisis which will become global.
      Also germany has the lowest home ownership rate in Europe, so electric cars are even less viable.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It isn’t just apartments and high rises. Most of Europe outside cities is villages with terraced housing that was built hundreds of years ago. You are not going to be able to charge a car there either, because they don’t have driveways

        There will be a class of people who can have car charging points in their own homes and that will be it. It won’t be you or anyone you know. If you need a vehicle for work itll be charged at a central compound and you will be given credits for a bus or train ride there

        The goal isn’t to convert all the current car owners into electric car owners, it’s to reduce car ownership entirely and limit it to a select few. It’s already happened for most people living in large cities around the world

        [...]
        this, it's that simple
        owning a car while living in cities will become a luxury
        cities will become increasingly less car friendly in favor of public transport, bikes, foot trafic, e-scooter and self driving pods
        the writing is on the wall honestly
        but then again why would any sane human being want to live in a city ...

        What you guys are saying is logical, they can't push EV's in european cities or towns, they can't/don't want to have many cars in cities, and they can't rely hard on gasoline anyways, so options are thinning out. What do you guys think about flexible fuel hybrids? Would solve the apartment and rural charging problem as the car charges itself during use, reduced gasoline reliance, and would work for city and outside of cities as well. Of course they will still push to reduce cars in cities in favour of public transport and other such things, and I'm not too knowledgeable on battery tech but I imagine some raw materials and maintenance need to be imported for that as well. Are any european or european market cars pushing for this? Or will this idea be forever south american / indian / third world shithole tier.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I live in a dense city where this is already a serious issue. I'd say about 1/3 of the cars in my street are now EV or at least PHEV (lol), however there is only street parking available since this neighborhood was built up around 1850, so nobody can charge at home since there are no driveways in front of any house. The municipality installed about 6 chargers in my street, which are shared by 50 cars, and to address the obvious issue of people hogging the charging spots, they made it so that staying parked after your car has finished charging for more than 1 hour will get you ticketed. So now EV owners have to constantly move their cars from and to these charging spots and find another parking spot (which is sometimes impossible, especially at night when everyone is home), or they have to charge somewhere else (supercharger, gas station, maybe at work). What's even more funny is that installing additional chargers in my street is not possible, because the power grid is already maxed out, so it will likely take more than 10 years before this is even addressed.

          Nobody where I am even has EV's and this is already a serious problem, like you say everything was built in 1850 and cars must be parked in the street, now with gasoline price hike no one drives and just leaves it parked, people are chilling cause bear is still cheap and way cheaper then gasoline so people just walk around with a cold beer in hand. But yeah, future is either general population collapse which alleviates car parking, bug tier public transport and the death of automobiles for the poor / middle class (Although a poster above made the argument this would bankrupt german auto manufacturers, which is something to consider), or mass exodus from cities altogether into more decentralized rural living, which also can't support EV's, but maybe hybrids?

          >same old tired Big Oil FUD
          Lol.
          You shills have to try harder. Not that it matters, you can't stop innovation.
          Your masters couldn't stop Henry Ford, they couldn't stop linux, just like they can't stop Elon and Tesla.
          How does it feel?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yo, I'm the first and third guy you replied to, not a shill and I feel ambivalent towards the unstoppable march of progress you describe, after all it can't be stopped anyways. The reason I wrote my two paragraphs was to ask people what they think about ethanol/flex fuel electric hybrids as possible solutions to the conflict of interest and realities other posters have laid down and are apparent in european countries. I would like to ask you what you think are the EV solutions to some of these conflicts, namely the parking/public transport in cities problem, the rural charging station problem, and most importantly if you think flex fuel electric hybrids fit into this as a middle ground between city / rural. Other poster have already mentioned the fact that car companies can rotate into producing EV's instead to keep profits afloat which is true, and another recent one mentions charging at places like the supermarket which is reasonable, so that fixes the german car manufacturer problem and the "where will we charge them" issue.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They did stop Henry Ford...

            From spreading the truth about the garden gnomes in the Dearborn Independent

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You do realise that EVs aren't created by magic, right?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cars are exclusively built for chinks and sharts today, that's why Merc stops making wagons and smart is completely built in China for the chinese market. making cars for the EU market is utterly hopeless due to ecotardism.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > It wont ever be
      > 1000 dollars of wiring and electric work that can lead to 10-15 dollar higher monthly parking fee
      > never profitable

      youre writing one shit paper my friend

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The wire has to come from the basement of the apartment building in most cases. That means you have to open up structural walls in the building for them to be outside, then you have to open up the street, pull the wire all the way to the parking spot and then install a charging station and close all the holes and street again. It's not as easy as you think. If multiple tenants want EV charging you most likely also have to upgrade your breaker box too. I said I'm writing a paper so I've probably read more shit about this topic than you homosexual

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just plug it in. Its not hard. If theres room for a car, there's room for an outlet

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It isn’t just apartments and high rises. Most of Europe outside cities is villages with terraced housing that was built hundreds of years ago. You are not going to be able to charge a car there either, because they don’t have driveways

    There will be a class of people who can have car charging points in their own homes and that will be it. It won’t be you or anyone you know. If you need a vehicle for work itll be charged at a central compound and you will be given credits for a bus or train ride there

    The goal isn’t to convert all the current car owners into electric car owners, it’s to reduce car ownership entirely and limit it to a select few. It’s already happened for most people living in large cities around the world

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    who lives in an apartment except poor people? seriously can you imagine sharing a fucking building with other people?
    >fire alarm goes off at 3am cause dumb cunt 2 floors up tried to dry clothes in the oven
    >have to park 5 levels underground, not allowed to work on your car
    >get 2 rooms, the bedroom and the everything else room
    >forced to go out and spend money if you want to do anything cause your house is a hotel room
    basically designed for bug people and sub 70iq

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Like 90% of the people who live in the cities?
      Some people would rather live in an apartment in the city than a house in the suburbs or in flyover country.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >f-flyover!
        bro you have 70 iq

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't take it personally. It's still cheap as dirt to live there. So you got that going for ya.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I live in a dense city where this is already a serious issue. I'd say about 1/3 of the cars in my street are now EV or at least PHEV (lol), however there is only street parking available since this neighborhood was built up around 1850, so nobody can charge at home since there are no driveways in front of any house. The municipality installed about 6 chargers in my street, which are shared by 50 cars, and to address the obvious issue of people hogging the charging spots, they made it so that staying parked after your car has finished charging for more than 1 hour will get you ticketed. So now EV owners have to constantly move their cars from and to these charging spots and find another parking spot (which is sometimes impossible, especially at night when everyone is home), or they have to charge somewhere else (supercharger, gas station, maybe at work). What's even more funny is that installing additional chargers in my street is not possible, because the power grid is already maxed out, so it will likely take more than 10 years before this is even addressed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody where I am even has EV's and this is already a serious problem, like you say everything was built in 1850 and cars must be parked in the street, now with gasoline price hike no one drives and just leaves it parked, people are chilling cause bear is still cheap and way cheaper then gasoline so people just walk around with a cold beer in hand. But yeah, future is either general population collapse which alleviates car parking, bug tier public transport and the death of automobiles for the poor / middle class (Although a poster above made the argument this would bankrupt german auto manufacturers, which is something to consider), or mass exodus from cities altogether into more decentralized rural living, which also can't support EV's, but maybe hybrids?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They won't. I live in one of the cooler parts of Australia and we still (occasionally) have blackouts during hot summers because the coal plants are not fully prepared to handle that many people with Air-conditioning, TV and other media all sucking energy at once but that won't stop politicians from pushing EV nonsense.

    As time moves forward, I'm beginning to notice that one (of the many) factor towards western collapse will be a lack in long term planning. Every politicians is concerned about what performative actions are possible to secure themselves another year or two but won't consider the inevitable disaster in 10 years, our nation's are led by fucking cockroaches who apply "not my problem" to the fundamentals of logistics and city planning.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      to be fair Australia should be producing gazzillion amount of solar energy
      the fact that you guys have blackout is proof politician need to be purged every 20 yeras

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        kek we have solar panel farms everywhere and solar panels on everyones roofs but the sun isnt up 24 hours a day

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not only that, we have ONE THIRD OF THE PLANETS FUCKING URANIUM AND NOT A SINGLE NUCLEAR POWER PLANT. WE HAVE ONE NPP BUT ITS NOT USED FOR ENERGY PURPOSES.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ahh yes lucas heights research reactor
          i want nuclear so badly. Our country is perfect for it.
          >no significant political instability/wars
          >no significant earthquakes
          >largest uranium reserves
          but nooooo, nimby homosexuals and nuclear paranoia

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Every politicians is concerned about what performative actions are possible to secure themselves another year or two but won't consider the inevitable disaster in 10 years

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Model 3 owner in apartment

    Usually I charge in my supermarket, and for free. There are plenty of other places to charge, when you go visit them. After all, if you have a car, you use it for going places.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not true. I was at that supermarket and you were not there

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're not.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here in Finland they passed a regulation that every new parking lot starting from 2022 will have to include a charging option. Itll retroactively trickle down to old ones due to renovations.

    Building a parking lot costs 5-30k anyways, a 500 euro charger isnt that much more.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And from where exactly are we going to get the juice for the power grid to maintain all these chargers?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's constantly new power plants being constructed, from Olkiluoto increasing our production by 16% annually to a boom in wind power to the LNG terminal providing a source of gas.

        Even if every Finn had an EV, the electricity consumption in total would increase by around 15%. Thats less than the coal and peat energy production we have shed in ten years.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Energy is a zero sum game.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How are people in apartments supposed to park their cars like is every apartment going to have to have a dedicated parking space?

      >Installing charging stations (requires oil for the plastic housing, fossil fuels to smelt the copper ore to be used in the wiring, fossil fuels to supply electricity, and petroleum from the rubber insulation of the wires) is cheaper than just slapping down a bunch of asphalt (remember asphalt is petroleum based) or concrete (uses huge quantities of oil to produce and is responsible for 8% of GHG emissions alone)
      Damn you're retarded.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the average person really has no idea just how dependent modern society is on oil. it's used for so many fucking things it's not funny

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I work in project development in construction. Of course I know that society is dependent on oil.

        Installing charging stations is not cheaper than slapping asphalt. I never implied that. I also did not imply that charging infra doesn't require any oil to construct. It does. Somehow Nordic countries have heater poles still on nearly every parking lot even though it costs more: people are willing to pay for better parking amenities, and governments can effectively mandate their construction through zoning.

        > Fossil fuels to supply electricity
        You really haven't been focusing on Western power production trends recently?

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How are people in apartments supposed to park their cars like is every apartment going to have to have a dedicated parking space?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t. american

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shh don't tell em, or else they might get the idea that infrastructure can accommodate change.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those garden gnome landlords penny pinch at every opportunity and you really think they’re gonna fork over the cash to put in EV charging stations? Even if they did it would probably be only one in a complex full of 200+ residents. They’ll also probably charge an EV fee at registration when they find out you drive an electric car.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Will landlords try to make money off of tenants
      yes

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >So how are people in apartments supposed to recharge their cars in 20 years?
    in 20 years most of these apartments are gonna be retrofitted just how many are being fitted now.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Their cars? Good one anon, they won't nor can't own cars or anything else for that matter

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      don't get paid enough, biking is too cheap.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You VILL be a slave
      And you VILL like it

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Solar panels chud

    With solar panels you can be independent unlike ice that needs gasoline

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone who lives in a city should be encouraged to ride an EUC. This is peak city transportation. The fact that I just found out about this thing last night is SAD. EUC makes the most sense for urbanites

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based, who would even want a car with one of these.
      Think about the power to weight ratio.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have been watching this Pole ride around his city with this thing and now I want one. Dude is fucking flying in some of his vids

        %21

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remember seeing a video of a guy riding one of these on the highway.
      Apparently he modified it so it could go highway speeds.
      Anyway, the video showed him eating shit. He probably got REALLY fucked up. A minimum of 50mph and face planting into the ground.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, faceplanting the ground going forward at 50 mph is no different than faceplanting the ground at 5 mph, your vertical speed is the same, you just need abrasion protection.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is probably the stupidest thing I've read in a real long time.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he modified it to double the voltage or some shit
        he ignored the warnings (or shut them off) and the euc shut off causing him to fall
        long story short, don't be a retard and ride the thing the way it was intended for

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Apartments have parking already, so just install charging stations where there is parking. What am I missing here? Seems like an easy solution

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What am I missing here?
      - it would overload the grid so its impossible in the first place
      - most energy on the grid comes from fossil fuels, especially at night
      - people can unplug your charger so you miss work the next day

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >repeating tired, disproven FUD
        Change the script Big Oil shill

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can just plug your car into the slow regular outlets, you know.
        Who cares about fossil fuels?
        You can’t unplug it because it locks.

        Any other intelligent concerns?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Each charger will be some 10kw chinese meme machine

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Bro just use hundreds of pounds worth of batteries to power your car
    Do people really?

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw EV adoption scales perfectly with power plant decommissioning

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here in Australia new apartments have rooftop solar and charging stations

    It’s the only logical step

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ITT:
    >Hybrid batteries will cost $35,000 and wear out every three years!
    >My Hummer H2 is more efficient than a Prius!
    >Turbochargers are too complicated and will never work! There's no replacement for displacement!
    >Fuel injection relies on computers, which will never survive in a car! Pry my carburetor from my cold, dead hands!
    >"Unitized body"?? My Ford Crown Victoria is the best car because it's built like a truck!
    > A noisy, smelly car will replace my HORSE? Yeah right! Do you have ANY IDEA how much HORSES are used for in our society???

    keep stretching, boys, your lips are almost able to reach your dick!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tbh,
      Issue is that there is not enough lithium for battery production. Battery productions is an issue. It's far more likely we will convert to hydrogen car rather than electric cars.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lithium itself is not scarce. A June report by BNEF2 estimated that the current reserves of the metal — 21 million tonnes, according to the US Geological Survey — are enough to carry the conversion to EVs through to the mid-century. And reserves are a malleable concept, because they represent the amount of a resource that can be economically extracted at current prices and given current technology and regulatory requirements. For most materials, if demand goes up, reserves eventually do, too.

        As cars electrify, the challenge lies in scaling up lithium production to meet demand, Ampofo says. “It’s going to grow by about seven times between 2020 and 2030.”

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    10 years ago, electric chargers didn't exist. Now today, there are hundreds of thousands of chargers in the US alone. In 10 more years, there will be likely half a million if not a million chargers.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >120V toy voltage backfires

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Like you people aren't even more fucked with a single 13 amp circuit supplying your entire house. Oh and don't forget the thin ass aluminum wiring in the walls.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't we see these tiny mini-EVs in the states for $1-$2K? Give them a 50-100 mile range and you're set in stone.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      electric motorcycles aren't even close to bring that cheap.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Chinese could make $500 EVs mini cars.

        Now the most modernized versions sells for ~$3-5K. A good chunk still sells for <$1K-$2K.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I would NEVER trust my life with a chinese designed product.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they're probably stolen western designs made below spec using slave labor and ignoring any pollution laws

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Every smartphone is a life saver and every one of them is made in China.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I barely trust made in china. But I would never trust DESIGNED in China

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its not like some arcane technology. Technology is technology. Billion people driving cars made and designed in China daily.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.chevrolet.com/cars/spark

    The real future.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where do they leave their cars now?

    Put some charging stuff there.

    It's like you're deliberately trying to be obtuse.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They park in the parking lot, the underground parkade or on the street. You act like putting charging stuff there is cheap or easy. Do you think three phase power just grows on trees?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have no idea how any of those things work, but my point was that if you deliberately want to be stuck with a problem then everything is going to be difficult, yes.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do you think that making an underground parkade, a parking house or buying enough land for a parking spot is cheap? The electric works to turn a parking lot into a charger terriotory is somewhere between 1-2k per charging spot. Nobody will want to do it for free, but if it means a better return on parking spot, a government grant or a mandate.. Well - for profit.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we have these in almost all parkinglots that can be turned to ev charging stations.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because a 700w block heater and a 70kw car charger are totally the same thing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Home charging boxes are like 11 kw or something. You use them daily. You don't need fast charging with 8h of charging a day.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You think the grid is going to handle a billion EV's all charging for 8 hours within a couple hours of each other? Plugging in and charging when you want to wouldn't be a thing with the current grid. You would plug in during your allotted time slot for a quick charge so the grid would have a chance to balance it's self out.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You think the grid is going to handle a billion EV's all charging for 8 hours within a couple hours of each other?
            The infrastructure will improve to meet the demand. You think oil didn't doesn't do the same thing? You think lighting up all of america from 1900 to the 1950's didn't happen?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If you need more oil you order in another truck or trail full of it. Electricity is much harder to "ship" and distribute.

              > You think the grid is going to handle a billion EV's all charging for 8 hours within a couple hours of each other?
              Electric grids of Western countries can harness the stably growing demand for nightime charging, yes. Most Western grids have too much rather than too little capacity due to power consumption stably falling.

              > Plugging in and charging when you want to wouldn't be a thing with the current grid.
              I think you vastly overestimate the electricity demanded by EVs and underestimate the electricity transferred to other means.

              > You would plug in during your allotted time slot for a quick charge so the grid would have a chance to balance it's self out.
              The same way government allots you tea kettle usage time in U.K or Sauna hours in Finland to balance the grid?

              There are chargers that optimize charging time to coincide the lowest energy costs, typically at the dead of night. That's not by a government mandate though, but just through people trying to live rationally.

              Ahh the old "just charge at night". What's going to happen when billions of people do this?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you need more oil you order in another truck or trail full of it.
                Thats not even remotely correct. Oil production scaled with demand hardcore, they built more refineries, drilled more holes, increased logistics capacity.
                >electricity is harder
                it isn't comparatively.

                Your whole argument revolves around EV's becoming increasingly popular but electricity production capacity magically doesn't at all.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > What's going to happen when billions of people do this?
                Global electricity production is set to double in 30 years. Also, at current projections, there will be perhaps 150 to 250 million EVs by 2050, not a billion.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > You think the grid is going to handle a billion EV's all charging for 8 hours within a couple hours of each other?
            Electric grids of Western countries can harness the stably growing demand for nightime charging, yes. Most Western grids have too much rather than too little capacity due to power consumption stably falling.

            > Plugging in and charging when you want to wouldn't be a thing with the current grid.
            I think you vastly overestimate the electricity demanded by EVs and underestimate the electricity transferred to other means.

            > You would plug in during your allotted time slot for a quick charge so the grid would have a chance to balance it's self out.
            The same way government allots you tea kettle usage time in U.K or Sauna hours in Finland to balance the grid?

            There are chargers that optimize charging time to coincide the lowest energy costs, typically at the dead of night. That's not by a government mandate though, but just through people trying to live rationally.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Increasing night-time energy consumption wouldn't even be a straightforward negative, as flattening the daily variation in power demand allows a more efficient energy production system.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i dont know how they do it but many has already modified.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These (= the wiring underground and the local distribution network) are designed to handle probably 1kW per parking spot at most. It would take a full day or two to charge your EV. If your employer is ok with you not coming to work every day, then it's fine.

      But in reality these parking lots are going to need massive investments if people really want charge their cars there. I think people will sooner or later realize that spending 30k on an EV + another 10k for a charging spot is not really that lucrative, when you have the choice of just buying a 20k gasoline car and not worry about where you can fill it up.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >are designed to handle probably 1kW per parking spot at most.
        source? Most commercial plugins will produce 120 volts at 15 amps, thats 1800 watts.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're never going to get 1800w out of the outlet once you factor in the voltage loss from the long wiring runs. It's also rare for a a parking lot to have a dedicated 15a circuit going to each receptacle. Most have several receptacles daisy chained together.

          > What's going to happen when billions of people do this?
          Global electricity production is set to double in 30 years. Also, at current projections, there will be perhaps 150 to 250 million EVs by 2050, not a billion.

          >lets just use a bunch of wind turbines and solar panels that don't work in 15 years!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You're never going to get 1800w out of the outlet once you factor in the voltage loss from the long wiring runs.
            Thats not how it works. Commercial outlets are going to produce 15 amps at the outlet itself. It makes zero sense that you get electricity from a pole on the street and somehow its gonna lose significantly to the parking lot.
            >It's also rare for a a parking lot to have a dedicated 15a circuit going to each receptacle.
            Source? How is it rare? Tons of businesses run hundreds of commercial circuits throughout large buildings.
            >Most have several receptacles daisy chained together.
            Every circuit is gonna be in parallel.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > 10k for a charging spot
        Upgrading a heating pole to a charging station costs around 500 to 2k per spot, not 10k.

        > People will realise
        I think most people know math well enough to do the calculations to find out that with a decent time horizon of 4-6 years, the ever narrowing gap between gas and electricity lifetime costs will benefit transition to EVs.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        1 kWh would still fill 40-60 km a day with 8-10 hours of rest period, even if that were true. its enough for the average driving distances. The whole PHEV phenomen works because of that.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some of you filthy peasants need to understand that driving is a privilege and that not everyone should own or deserves to own an EV. Either take the bus, a bike, or learn to walk again.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Test

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is just not going to happen for at least 50% of the world, probably more.
    >already massive power grid issues
    >physically impossible to provide that many charging stations because charging takes tons of time
    >the new "gas stations" will be constantly overflowing because of the charging speed too
    >electricity consumption increases by x100 or whatever
    >EV range and charging requirements make these cars not suited for global adoption
    >EVs are expensive
    This shit makes no sense from a logical perspective, if the goal is environmentalism. Actually it doesnt make sense either way.
    Most power is still going to be produced by "environmentally unfriendly" means. The meme for years has been energy saving (with many devices having energy saving modes) yet now they want to literally move to 100% electric.
    Supposedly there's also this chip shortage meme, but miraculously that doesnt stop anyone from creating vehicles packed with tons of unnecessary electronics.

    The only conclusion to be made is that it's literally a globohomo plan to make purchasing private vehicles as difficult as possible so that people are less self-reliant and forced to rely on government infrastructure (which is shit). Only actual cattle would be happy about this whole thing.
    On the other hand tons of people drive 20yr old shitboxes and wont quietly agree to drop them. So good luck with this plan.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > This is just not going to happen for at least 50% of the world, probably more.
      Only quarter of worlds population can even afford a car to start with so its bizarre to bring that up. Nobody expects underdeveloped nations to electrify their cars, but anyone who has done even basic research knows that over half the sales of new cars in Europe will be EVs in 2030.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >will be
        that's just speculation, impossible to prove

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I mean who could make predictions?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > already massive power grid issues
      Which are constantly tackled through infrastructure spending

      > physically impossible to provide that many charging stations because charging takes tons of time
      If it has parking space, it can have a charging station. You're outlight lying or confused.

      > the new "gas stations" will be constantly overflowing because of the charging speed too
      Electric gas stations won't be a thing. An overflow is quickly remedied by an expansion in supply too.

      > electricity consumption increases by x100 or whatever
      If 100% of US vehicles were EVs, electricity consumption would increase by 27%, not 100x. That's not set to happen until 2050 or 60s.

      > EV range and charging requirements make these cars not suited for global adoption
      Neither are ICE cars which have failed to penetrate majority of world population.,

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