After I started passing as a cis women my eyes we really opened to how unsafe it feels to be a women. Literally everywhere I go I feel like prey being stocked.
It’s got me wondering if we should start limiting the freedoms of men. I know this won’t happen anytime in the near future, but considering women are currently entering legal and governmental fields at much higher rates than men, we’ll soon have a matriarchal government.
Here’s what I prepose:
>No men out after dark
>Men not allowed to drink it makes them less controlled
>No men in nightclubs
>More female only schools, hotels, public transit etc.
Trans women will be able to be lifted from their curfews once they’re 100% cis passing. Non-passing trans women make cis women more uncomfortable then cis men.
What do you think of this idea and do you have any other ideas for how we can make things safer for cis women?
Chimps follow patriarchy
bonobos follow matriarchy
It's obvious which one is peaceful species
Too bad we're not bonobos
We're chimpbrained AF and it patriarchy helps even out the odds for males
i literally got mugged by a crackhead cis women with a knife late night once before. i don't even feel goddam safe with other humans and i am a cis m.
Wah wah wah
I wish you got stabbed because men getting stabbed by women is funny lul
deranged, psychotic, death wishing
Crackhead women are built differently, I'm a troon and i feel less safe around them, like I've been robbed buy a guy before but the women have tried to get in my car, knock on my window and slam the door... it's like they're more confident because they won't get treated as badly by the cops.
Pussy
A serious database using non-invasive tracking and DNA, assuming any man might become of interest from birth.
You forgot pooners.
Pooners aren’t real men. If you forced most trans women to detransition they’d kill themselves.
99% of pooners could be forced to detention snd they’d be fine
t. someone who never interacted with a trans man at all
k weirdo
I dated a trans man fuckface
I believe I speak for all of the LGBT movemrnt when I say this:
Hell.
Fucking.
Yes.
Utilitarian social models are a core aspect to post-capitalism under Marxism, and this is pretty much the definition of utilitarian.
As an AFAB I have endured predatory behavior from men pretty much since the day I was born, and it fucking amazes me that in the entire time since then pretty much nothing has been done on a larger scale to combat this issue.
When do we start?
Adding to this
because I forgot:
The one thing I don't agree with is limiting non-passing trans women's freedoms.
Passing is a very sexist standard for categorization used by insecure men to put down trans women. Let's not follow down that path, yeah?
All trans women are valid.
So nonpassing gigarapehons are excepted?
non passers should be euthanized for their own and society's benefit
t. non passer
You agree only 100% passing trans women should allowed to be in women’s spaces?
No, see:
I do not agree with that part.
>right wing talking points
Shut the fuck up, nobody around here cares.
>There are places where women can go out after dark with no issues in this world.
Name one.
Non-passers are just as valid as passers. The concept of passing is pointless in the first place, and does nothing but hold back our movement.
>afab
>all transwomen are valid
>passing is holding us back
begone sock
>passing is pointless
>hold back our movement
fucking braindead
This feels like a really tired attempt at causing division.
If you don't have anything to add I will assume you are /misc/ trolls.
you dont have to be a /misc/ troll to understand that hons are fucking retarded
i think if they try to pass its different and should be treated sympathetically
but so many of them refuse to try
theyre happy being woman with dicks and having the headshape of gigachad
or looking like tomboys with glued on mustaches on their face in the case of pooners
and as someone who is amab and identifies as female im automatically paired in with those hon fuckers
i dont give a fuck what they do with their bodies but i hate to be shoved into the same catagory as them
when politicians advocate to take away trans rights, they use them as exemples and it works
plenty of people eat that shit up (and i cant blame them)
and fuckers like you only help further that with bullshit like "all trans people are valid" and "gender is a social contruct anyways so who cares"
i can tell you as an actual trans woman (a label im sadly stuck with) i'll go through every surgery necessary and go into as much debt as i need to look like an actual woman
and i refuse to let both the "pro" and anti-trans people to see me as as much of a woman as a gigachad looking fucker who took some estrogen pills
trans woman did not fight for their rights only for fuckers to turn around and act like hons are as much of a woman as them
most of hons would kill themselves before going through the effort of trying to pass
again, i dont hate hons, they can do whatever the fuck they want with their body
i just hate being grouped in with them and expected to take both the side and accountability whenever "ms" lord farquaad goes into a woman's bathroom just because we're both seen as trans
and while i dont know about the people you replied to, i myself am not a /misc/ troll
if i was i would pretend like all trans woman and men look like hons and pooners, which i dont
i just want there to be a distinction between the people who actually transition and those who look like drag queens
You act like hons are this different species
A lot of them are no different than you, other than the fact they have difficulties passing due to height or bone structure. There’s a difference between hons who try to pass as much as possible and hons who are just weird freaks.
Sorry, you’re both trans women and you’re going to get grouped together. This only speaks to insecurity on your part
Oath
the real problem is pick me fucks like you who’d sell out everyone else like you just for the privilege of licking the boot stamping on your face. fuck you and your trutrans gender binary bullshit
nta but "trutrans gender binary bullshit" is just the default state of transsexual advocacy. you're just a gender abolitionist twisted by ideology into a mockery of our condition. kindly return to the twitter from which you came.
tldr is there something in this post other than bitching about people you feel are ugly
Utilitarianism is good in theory but shit in practice since we can't predict the future. The way to go is a mix of deontologic ethics and utilitarianism, with an emphasis on deontology.
Women (trans women included) are objects and deserve 0 rights whatsoever. Literally only fuck things up because they view everything with emotion instead of logic.
Society only started goin* to shit when suffrage took off and women startedbeing elected.
I can't tell if this is ironic trolling or some actual brain damaged retard.
I just want to add that Girls have a positive Outcome when going to Girls only school while Boys have a negative one.
>boy going to girls only school
h-hot i think i read about that in a sissy caption....
Now I feel dysphoric because I’m a trans women who had a shit time in school 🙁
>After I started passing as a cis women my eyes we really opened to how unsafe it feels to be a women.
to be a women in a third World country*
There are places where women can go out after dark with no issues in this world.
i swear transfems face a bit of sexism once they start to pass and their immediate reaction is "fuck all men"
just be happy you pass and move on with your life
so many boymoding trannies would kill to get to that point and yet you complain
Have YOU faced sexism?
Do you realize how fucking dangerous and terrifying men can be in situations that should feel completely safe?
If not, maybe pipe the fuck down and listen to actual, lived experiences of people who know what they're talking about.
>red flags the post
Look up internalized transmisogyny. You might learn something.
>but shit in practice since we can't predict the future
>deontology
This is /lgbt/, a primarily Marxist board for the discussion on a primarily Marxist movement. Under communism, utilitarianism IS the morally correct choice, regardless what happens in the future.
>let's oppress half the populace
But it's completely fine when it's the other half that's being oppressed? Because that's what's happening right now.
Absolutely incorrect, and it's not even fucking close.
>Absolutely incorrect, and it's not even fucking close
You're mistaking domestic abuse with serious domestic abuse. Obviously women experience more *reported* domestic abuse but men experience more *serious* domestic abuse that has to be reported because you need surgery RIGHT NOW or you die
It's genuinely more dangerous to be a man in a relationship with a woman.
Excuse my language but that's just plain fucking incorrect, and you know that.
Why don't you take your incel MRA bullshit and crawl back to LULZ?
I'm from the US, and my experience is not at all what you are describing.
Sure, keep telling yourself that.
>Excuse my language but that's just plain fucking incorrect, and you know that.
>It's not true because voices in my head say so!
Aight champ, I'm not gonna argue with someone who doesn't believe hard facts. It's ironic you'd complain about incels/MRA since you speak like a polack
but it's true tho, not a lot of people address a lot of mental problems for men and the struggles they have to endure in this world, while yeah sure the statistics may say that females get abused at a higher rate you have to understand that they are only for the reported cases and im sure there's a heck load of unreported cases for males simply because of that warped societal perception of masculinity, same can be said about feminity as well though and it's retarded to follow those standards
you sound rly mad or almost oppressed by the fact that males exist in your fucking world maybe excuse them from ur dating pool if that's the case too, also did u know that passing is mostly defined by how males perceieve you and what not? you do realise that in most cases the certain beauty standards shift mainly because of males? you prolly still seek validation from males just to fill up your ego and let me tell you, that's fine, everybody does that, even cis females who happen to be lesbians
Well considering I only described the garbage state of shit-holes that aren't the US, then you are correct, the US is NOT as I described, and is therefore no more a danger for women than a man nor child.
I'm saying your entire statement is incorrect.
The US is far worse in regards to equality than many countries that are economically worse off overall.
>did u know that passing is mostly defined by how males perceieve you
I'm nonbinary, passing is of no concern to me. I am androphilic however.
>unreported cases
MRA talking point.
What, because I'm more eloquent and format my posts better than most users on here?
/misc/ trolls are generally just angry at everything the GoP doesn't approve of. I don't see how that describes me in the slighest.
>Us is more dangerous than Osama bin laden land
>more dangerous than actually illegal to be LGBT place
>More dangerous than pushes gays off if roofs place
I'd say your off your meds,.but that's what's making you bonkers!!
>The other half is being oppressed
Maybe in backwards Pakistan or wherever they really like salad bars, but that's absolutely false here in America, and other civilized countries (sorry brot-bong, you have roaming rape squads).
>This is /lgbt/, a primarily Marxist board
You need to go back
>primarily marxist board
demographic replacement by a flood of tourists 3 years ago doesnt make this a marxist board. go back to x dot com
>Used to be a man
>now hates men
As if we didn't already know you are self-loathing.
Also
>Feels unsafe
Yes, let's oppress half the populace because a delusional tranny imagines it's a victim.
Who is responsible for wars?
Men actually receive more life-threatening domestic abuse from women than women do from men lol
You're still a man
passing transsexual women arent really male in any meaningful way to be honest
Tl;dr
Rapehon
>rapehon
lmao rapehons think theres nothing meaningfully male about them while they aggressively shout at people and use their penis during sex and have untrained voices and dont pass and dont have dysphoria. totally different than what i said
What about trans women who try to pass but can’t?
they're innately female in a way that cant be changed, they should be accepted and treated with compassion but until society gets there they do just factually have some maleness in that thats how they are seen by everyone they meet irl. its sad but thats why i think its so important to fight for a world where people know transsexuals are what they say they are due to a physiological defect present from birth.
You fucking wish men were stocking you like a grocery store shelf.
the statistics for general abuse are generally higher for women than men because it feels easier for women to seek help, we put the societal stigma onto men to think that seeking third party help is bad and only destroys your view of your own masculinity, hence why the statistics are usually fucked and fairly unrealistic imo.... I mean what kind of man would legit report to police that they are getting abused by their wife? of course they won't since its not manly...
Men should be segregated in a safe and isolated location until we're ready to unleash them as weapons against our enemies.
The more you restrained anyone regardless of their sex, there’ll be more innovative bypass they’ll create
>After I started passing as a cis women my eyes we really opened to how unsafe it feels to be a women.
Humble brag thread. I dont pass in anyway whatsoever, and men either stare at me like im disgusting, laugh or ignore me
the solution isn't restriction, because the problem isn't in the freedoms, the problem is in toxic masculinity itself. it should be the objective of everybody to correct toxic masculinity and guide men to the path of healthy living and healthy interactions with themselves and other people. by just placing restrictions, you're basically putting a bandaid on the booboo. look at how people react to last-minute actions done by governments with global issues like climate change and the pandemic; people react with suspicion and those with influence use that as fuel for their propoganda to invigorate worse actions and beliefs.
>the problem is in toxic masculinity
Can you define toxic masculinty and give some examples of it?
sure, but i'll be working from memory, so its not the best.
toxic masculinity is a societal and cultural set of ideals and beliefs that men are pressured with. typically, these ideals involve dominance, sexual superiority, emotional stoicism, aggression, and hedgemony. toxic masculinity teaches men that their emotions and pain should be eaten and dealt with by stoicism and/or anger, "it is what it is." it also teaches them that there is a strict hierarchy of who is a real man and who is not a real man, and any showing of typically feminine traits is considered for automatic disqualification. you most commonly see toxic masculinity in the form of the perversion of typically positive masculine traits, like confidence > stubbornness, strength > power, assertiveness > dominance, etc. you'll also see it whenever men diss on "feminine men," or men who otherwise are emotional and engage in activities that aren't seen as hard work or tough. men will physically fight over women and other beef. women will also feed into toxic masculinity, typically with shame. sexually, toxic masculinity represents itself as the idea that if you don't have a big dick or get a lot of women, you are inferior. it also shows up as an entitlement to sex, which is theorized to be an artifact of times when men were breadwinners or when it was legal to rape your wife. its why incels are incels.
i hope i managed to explain it well, im kind of multitasking lol
if you want what i consider a decent thought exercise and are familiar with LotR, think Aragorn vs Sauron, Gandalf vs Saruman. what makes them similar? what makes them different?
So you're saying you dont want a stoic, emotionally stable and assertive partner that uses his superior strenght to pin you down and dominate you sexually? And you would prefer if his dick wasn't a but larger then average?
this is not what i said. those traits are, in a vacuum, neutral and up to the individual to decide whether or not they are good. were toxic masculinity is bad is when my partner isn't emotionally stable, but stuffs down their emotions with a stoic mask. it isn't where they are assertive, it is where they are forceful and aggressive. it isn't where he is strong, but where he uses that strength to further push that aggression. dick size is whatever, but toxic masculinity says you are somehow inherently impotent if you're average.
this was probably a joke post but im playing it safe tbh
The point is if you find those traits toxic and want it to end you should do your part and start selecting partners that are the exact opposite of that.
then i feel you've missed the point. in a partner, if those traits are good, then assuming that they are a healthy person and you set those boundaries, then that's fine. however, when it comes to the question of the harm men do in general life, it is the negative perversion of those traits that are the root of the problem; toxic masculinity.
>we’ll soon have a matriarchal government
god I wish, but thats cope. Millenia of patriarchy isn't going any time soon
>After I started passing as a cis woman
Why would this man say this, saged and reported for underage
How would this even be enforced you retard? Men are way physically stronger than women and can easily overpower them and men will except some restrictions because they have women they care about but they absolutely will not except being fully controlled like what you’re suggesting.
Guns, and who is allowed to wield them.
>Most soldiers are men
>Most police are men
>In countries where guns are legal, most firearms owners tend to be men
You're going to lose this one you know that right?
this would make me so much more motivated to pass
You're never gonna pass and it wasn't men stopping you. You are and will always be a man, forever. Your will never pass.
Kill yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Getting mangry aren't you? You're a mentally ill man at the end of the day. Nothing changes that.
>but considering women are currently entering legal and governmental fields at much higher rates than men, we’ll soon have a matriarchal government.
i understand that the battle is lost at this point but i really wish we would go back to "patriarchy" meaning "rule of fathers" rather than "rule of men" and "matriarchy" meaning "rule of mothers" rather than "rule of women"
there really are important differences and the more specific concepts are extremely useful. we are not at any significant chance of having a matriarchy.
Are you British? You sound British. Only an Anglo could possibly come up with a suggestion this jannyminded and ridiculous.
Idk I was molested by a woman when I was 10 and never had bad experiences with men. Maybe u just live in a shithole.
Lmao
Men getting molested by women is funny
Ok yeah this is bait
I'm a bigger fan of raping foids to death
That's literally apex humor to me
tee hee
>Should we limit the freedoms of men?
who do you refer to as "we"? Men are the ones who actually have all the power, and they decide who gets what freedoms.
Universal femdom is the only real solution to misogyny. We should start by banning men from positions of authority, like the Prime Ministership, Governor-General, the military, etc. Next we ban them from male-dominated professions like plumbing, construction, oilfield work, any nautical jobs. If it's really needed, we can replace them with robots in those jobs eventually.
Oh, and gyms should have a requirement that men have passed some sort of anti-sexism certification test before they're allowed to use gyms.
Who's going to enforce that?
that's what you're worried about with this post?
You are not a fucking woman nigga, you arent behaving like one, just because a man stared at ya at a bar, doesent mean you were in danger fucking retard. Literally you didnt socialize with women, hence you dont know how men approach women and so you just got scared by a poor dude trying to approach you. You aint a woman in behaviour, but neither a man, because youre just braindead nigga
shut up, nagger
are people really taking this bait or are we just being a lil silly today