nope, it's truth. I'm sorry it upsets you, but truth is true whether it makes you sad or not, so you should probably dry it up and get used to it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It doesn't upset me because i know you're wrong.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you're clearly upset, so there's no use in pretending otherwise.
everything I've stated here is completely true and correct. I'm sorry that it's affected you the way it has.
You have no evidence disproving this. If you die and experience nothing, then you would not experience time. Therefore, if you die and were to be reborn, the amount of time experienced between rebirth would feel like nothing. Assuming time is cyclical, which it most likely is. Then the universe would end and restart exactly the same way. This would lead to you being recreated. You will live this life an infinite amount of times
I have as much evidence of it not existing as you do of it existing >inb4 people remembering their past lives
There exists a world beyond what we can see, and entities that can influence the thoughts and actions of human beings. Prove to me that these past life regressions are not the workings of external influences putting things into the minds of these people.
Idk champ. I’ve considered this idea but quantum physics is fucked. It’s all just probabilities. The odds of the universe being recreated in the exact same way is kinda retarded.
However, what I can say is that physics kinda dictates we have no free will, sort of. If the universe is a product of matter and energy interacting with itself, then ultimately the exact conditions of right now were ALWAYS going to happen because the probability of all of the events leading up to THIS point were obviously 100% because they already occurred:
So what was going to happen was what was always going to happen for this moment to exist, so did anyone really make choices or were we just following the dictates of energy interacting with itself? Who tf knows, dawg
I don't think it's possible to determine if we actually have free will or not. We know quantum processes are basically totally random, from our point of view at least. So if the universe started as a quantum field then it started in a random state meaning all following states cannot be determined from the initial state. We don't even know if there was an initial state, as a cyclic universe model has no start. A way around this though would be if there was an initial state and some being outside our reality could know the initial state from their point of view despite it being random to us
>>You will live this life an infinite amount of times >mfw I've had to stop dead in my tracks at times because I realize I've already been in this exact situation at this exact point in time before >mfw deja vu isn't just a funky psychological thing >mfw my soul is literally recycled through the same lifetime over and over and over >mfw I don't even know what iteration of lifetime I'm on, or how many times more are left
I'm very tired anons. I would ask for freedom, but I don't even know what it looks like. How many times have I typed this post? How many more times will I do so? Is this all really just predetermined? What's the point of all this, really.
This place is a hell realm now, converted to a farming operation to extract as much energy out of you lot as possible for the war on the enemy's team.
It's real, i reincarnated myself many many times here. And there's proof outside just my case, you either have not done any real research. Are a bot, fed, idiot, fag, or all of the above.
The initial purpose of this realm was as a womb for souls to mature inside of and a lower risk way for them to learn.
But those times are long over, it's been infiltrated by the ruinous powers and turned into a farm instead which steals the energy meant to fuel said young souls into maturity for themselves.
Thus keeping them emaciated and weak thus easily controlled/managed. Don't forget the keeping them ignorant of how things work so you can further control them via soft-power IE manipulations.
The truth is it was once meant for a proving ground, to learn in and mature in the safety of a guild cage so you don't get got by the hostile beings outside the realms. But the ruinous powers, which stem outside this reality we call Creation. Infiltrated and infested this realm.
They have not gained total control, they never will. No being of the immaterial can truly master and have total control over the material plane as they do their native plane. But they don't need it, they merely need to have most of the control here to keep beings like yourself deluded into thinking it's situation nominal.
How do i know? I've SEEN the matrices which bind humanity to this place, upon their death.
There's many fields anchored to material bodies in this plane. Around differing planets to funnel you a specific direction once you fall into it's pull.
Earth, Moon/Luna, Saturn, and Pluto being the main ones. Sol, Mars, and planet X being the secondaries.
These fields used to be KNOWN about by humanity before their invasion, and actively utilized by natives of Terra to ward off hostile beings between star systems on the immaterial plane. But now, it's protection has been twisted into confinement.
And it's not the first time this specific system has been wrecked, though the first time it's been wrecked by the ruinous powers.
Luna has only been around in this form we know for 12K years. (:
I do not know a lot on the prior invasion into this system as i wasn't here at that time, but from what i heard it was just as apocalyptic as the one by the ruinous powers albeit less malevolent.
>Entire asteroid belt was once a planet, most material already harvested so it's not nearly as massive as it once was.
>Terra was once sisters with 3 other planets. Mars, Venus, and this other planet.
>The competing faction wasn't aligned with the ruinous powers then, but had a spat with the former reigning sovereigns here and thus got into war with them. Why's not important here, it's beyond what i know but my guess is they competed over territory/resources.
>This system lost that war, and now only has 1 planet in the system which is Earth-like. The other 3 got either rendered uninhabitable or destroyed.
>Mars got nuked and had her core forcibly ground to a halt by EMF tech.
>Venus got chemical weapons used on her, nukes, and shoved closer to the sun.
>The other planet, the strongest and former capitol of the whole system was outright destroyed.
>Terra was designated the next capitol while the natives tried to rebuild.
>The rebuild never happened because of the ruinous powers' invasion.
3 prior worlds, navajo emergence story. this implies having control over the spirit in a sense that we live until death and can only be controlled imaginatively by the Fates, or voices, or higher beings.
attack or shield, this means my theory of patron aliens exist, from there what would they have to do with us. caretakers in the after life who say hi could imply they are a series of people with purposely limited access to the this world in the means of carving out in escape path through appropriately faulty reincarnation patterns of losing memory and etc., perhaps its blind shot, if you boil down native cultures and european cultures, its just nature vs alchemy. which would make this the easier form to spread information in for a more constant "solar" material to work with. assuming theyre the shield in this scenario.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
physically connecting this idea to the real world would mean making alien tech shit crash into earth and it, die under it's own weight.
which would mean the ship's collective blood was at mercy to the earth, even on a micro level.
further emphasized by the idea, iron was a mistake, a cosmic incident OF war. however since nature and alchemy exists, iron, iron and war do.
victims and perpetrators. if we kill our own kind, are we victims? who is trying to hurt us physically if the good help us through the mind. do they exist outside of this galaxy?
2 weeks ago
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from here, both nature and alchemy should be in harmony. aztecs knew to deny europeans the piece of nature that helps to strengthen the Human body.
on a fundamental level i truly do believe that the human species nowadays is not strong enough to physically over power every metal component that multiplies the one entities existence. much less swarm one to overpower one machine in it's entirety for perfect condition.
the guns and etc obey gravity, so we cannot use gravity to fight them, right? the death of past worlds would imply that.
the star people told navajos to build hogans from the houses carrying earth to earth housing.
>The initial purpose
This implies that time is real and that imperfection exists. Your God is impotent, unable to control what happens.
Instead of being salty, ask your soul why it chose this timeline.
Salty? More like wrathful. Tends to happen when something comes along that wishes/seeks to destroy everything you care about and you in the most painful agonizing parasitic cowardly way possible.
Time is "real" as you are dude. Are you not real? If so, how can you think? Or do anything? Tell me how you think time isn't real, genuinely curious here 'cause you literally watch time progress.
The fuck you mean timeline? What does timelines have to do with this? Ever think that you can't just hop universes easy? Plus, why would i run? I'm in a target rich environment. And i've only just begun the fun and have lots of ammo. (: Not to mention i've been helpful to the humans here, ghosts and shit that find me get shot-gunned right the fuck outta here. So hey, i'm helping. I can't assure security but i can assure exit. Though, i have slowed in doing this lately due to less souls being around to do it to. Seems they've upped their harvest game recently to squeeze every last drop for the coming reset/purge.
>dude warhammer is real
ok
Only in a sense, fiction mirroring fact. With a lot of twists and liberties taken diverging it from reality. I use the term "ruinous powers" because that's a more comedic term. 🙂 There's others but that suffices. And is funny to use.
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Meds
No. But you're welcome to take 'em for me, and be sure to pay Shecklestein all the gold you got for that poison pill that does fuck all eh?
also, if you die, DON'T GO TOWARDS THE LIGHT!
it's a trap
Nobody has been saying this for literally, decades.
Look around for other alternatives.
Apparently the Tibetans mention a blue light behind you it's worse a shot.
Yep, don't enter the light. It's a funnel trap, like a net for fish. Speaking of, isn't it telling they use such terms for humans? Fish, sheep, cattle, lambs, wheat, ect? What do humans do to these things, oh yeah eat them. They tell ya their plans for you pretty much out the gate if you pay attention. Kek.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>More like wrathful.
The dark gods or whatever you wish to call them want you to feel negative emotions, love and high frequency emotions is AIDS to them. >Time is "real" as you are dude. Are you not real?
Lesser illusions. My human form is temporary, the Self that I am is beyond time. >The fuck you mean timeline?
Why this timeline where we experienced the downfall as the human race? If you check the humans who went from Atlantis to paradise you will notice how they are soft and gullible, never been truly trained or tested.
Nothing threw you over here against your will, you decided to be a human on this planet on this timeline.
The initial purpose of this realm was as a womb for souls to mature inside of and a lower risk way for them to learn.
But those times are long over, it's been infiltrated by the ruinous powers and turned into a farm instead which steals the energy meant to fuel said young souls into maturity for themselves.
Thus keeping them emaciated and weak thus easily controlled/managed. Don't forget the keeping them ignorant of how things work so you can further control them via soft-power IE manipulations.
The truth is it was once meant for a proving ground, to learn in and mature in the safety of a guild cage so you don't get got by the hostile beings outside the realms. But the ruinous powers, which stem outside this reality we call Creation. Infiltrated and infested this realm.
They have not gained total control, they never will. No being of the immaterial can truly master and have total control over the material plane as they do their native plane. But they don't need it, they merely need to have most of the control here to keep beings like yourself deluded into thinking it's situation nominal.
How do i know? I've SEEN the matrices which bind humanity to this place, upon their death.
There's many fields anchored to material bodies in this plane. Around differing planets to funnel you a specific direction once you fall into it's pull.
Earth, Moon/Luna, Saturn, and Pluto being the main ones. Sol, Mars, and planet X being the secondaries.
These fields used to be KNOWN about by humanity before their invasion, and actively utilized by natives of Terra to ward off hostile beings between star systems on the immaterial plane. But now, it's protection has been twisted into confinement.
And it's not the first time this specific system has been wrecked, though the first time it's been wrecked by the ruinous powers.
Luna has only been around in this form we know for 12K years. (:
"If you knew how powerful you are, you would never be afraid again."
You are an immortal, eternal magical being who was deceived into spending a lifetime into a suit which nullifies these capacities.
fear is a product of survival instinct. I'm so sick of hearing pop spirituality gurus reduce everything to fear and love, which they moralize as well. You should be afraid of poisonous spiders and so on. Fear serves a purpose.
If you still want to come back here, regardless of what life you live, then you didn't learn anything.
I don't want to "learn" anything, but I do want to come back if I can be more powerful and get revenge on the people who make the modern world ugly. There are a lot of people that deserve to suffer.
You always incarnate at whatever level of consciousness you are at, so if you continue to improve your consciousness you will have continually improved lifetimes, but if you languish and regress, things will get worse for you.
I don't know if I buy that one. That would be a huge meme tbh. Also, it seems natural that your consciousness would elevate continually in a single lifetime. It's pretty easy to ego death on LSD and reach the collective consciousness.
>Can you explain that for me?
We only have one chance to make things right.
What does making things right imply? Seems like the world will naturally come to an end even if I don't do anything.
>What does making things right imply? Seems like the world will naturally come to an end even if I don't do anything.
Making things right = whatever you think comes after escaping "reincarnation".
I agree. I acknowledge that life IS suffering. But...what if free will isn't real? A lot of sources have claimed that lol. But hey, if I get to make a choice when I die, then I won't.
You likely don't have the perspective to be able to say you wouldn't. We live in blindness here. Your soul, higher self, what ever one likes to call it sees this life for what it is in the greater scheme. Some beings return knowing it's suffering because they love so strongly they don't wish to leave any behind. Bodhisattvas
Considering this Civilization managed to ruin the garden of Eden. Yes, the past planets are barren landscapes because past civilizations ruined their garden of Edens.
I've never understood the point of reincarnation. Wouldn't I remember past lives? If I never remember my past life then I might as well be actually dying anyway. Is this supposed to be the first one? I don't get it
The universe is a quantum computer, i want to reincarnate as a quantum computer too. Small steps, making this physical reality a fruitful and fertile landscape.
You don't want this. That's eternal life. Probably. I can't ascertain whether eternal life is a gift or a curse. I don't know if anyone can. I can say this though. You'd probably struggle with solipsism. In my opinion that would make it a curse.
I can't argue with this. But the thing is, I genuinely struggle with solipsism. Even though I'm replying to everyone. Solipsism is the ultimate burden.
If there was some sort of internet for quantum computers to have interactions together 🙂 it would feel less lonely.
I don’t get the point of asking for a point. The whole process is cannibalistic.
Cannibalism being the byproduct of a tantrum too far gone that then sought to cause suffering beyond it’s current life through the damage of it’s own cells by imbibing human flesh and procreating afterwards.
So at what point would you start asking yourself where you made a mistake as a species instead of pissing and shitting and moaning about it.
>I've never understood the point of reincarnation.
to produce loosh as food for the ETs who control this earth, they feed off on our emotional responses. predation as a major factor to survive in the animal world, to suffer. >Wouldn't I remember past lives?
ETs memory wipe us in their 'false' astral heaven, using ET tech via trapping and electrocuting our souls. >If I never remember my past life then I might as well be actually dying anyway. Is this supposed to be the first one?
no, we got trapped here and reincarnate countless times.
Reincarnation will 100% happen.
It sucks that most religions established that the reincarnation will take into account what we are doing at the time. We are mostly trying to survive and babysit our mind.
If you think time is infinite and this universe came out of nowhere then given enough time it will be created again. Religions differ on how we will be recreated and for what purpose. Fuck you.
>Should we be afraid of reincarnation? >Because everyone knows that we do. It would actually make less sense if we didn't.
We should be afraid of the fearmongering weirdos pushing the idea that other human beings know what happens when we pass away of natural causes of old age peacefully in our sleep.
I'm terrified of reincarnation. I keep being worried about dying then coming back as a poor villager in a god forsaken 3rd world country, or just having a shitty life in general.
I've worked very, very hard for the improvements I've made in this lifetime. Physically, financially, spiritually. Really don't want to start at a lower level than I am right now.
>I've worked very, very hard for the improvements I've made in this lifetime
Then you are missing the larger point. The work that matters, the improvement that matters, carries on no matter what.
>everyone knows that we do
Nobody knows if we do. A fair few people guess that we do and then for some reason start believing their guess is actually a fact and go around telling people that it's a fact reincarnation is true. Maybe it is true but nothing exists that we can use to verify it's true. Anybody who says it's all true is a charlatan and a fraud. Same goes for anyone saying it's not true, but people saying it's not true generally aren't the ones travelling around selling books and seminars and so on just to tell people it's not true like their grifting opponents do
What we can do is look at the information we have so far. From the section of the article below we can see that there are some academics that are documenting cases of people that say they can remember a past life. These are often children who tend to forget about it all at a young age. But the fact they're saying they lived a past life at such a young age is indeed a strange thing for a child to say especially if they had not been exposed to these ideas prior. In some cases these children seem to know things from the past life they claimed to have and upon investigation the claims can at times be correct, which certainly gives the idea of reincarnation merit. But this does not mean anything is proven. It is simply an impressive coincidence or a good guess. These are extraordinary claims and vague witness testimony is not sufficient to say these claims verify the existence of the phenomenon of reincarnation. There could easily be some other explanation. All we can do for now is keep documenting cases and hope that in the future there will be technology advanced enough to detect if all of this is indeed true
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation#Claims_of_past_lives
The current leading researcher is this guy here too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_B._Tucker
Assuming it's true, i wouldn't be afraid, no. I would say it would suck a lot and i would be highly displeased because i don't want to come back to this infernal mudball of a planet ever again.
everything in "heaven" is already perfect, because they don't allow evil into it in order to protect it's identity. You come here to learn what the other side is, to provide context, because you can't fully understand what love is without hatred. This universe is God evolving through his secondary images. If people only understand their purpose they wouldn't be so hard on themselves.
You know what, I was a Tibetan monk and I left the cycle of reincarnation by rainbow body meditation and I ended up in a dressing room where I put down my human costume because this was a human role that we all play, so it's like most of our religions are inaccurate because we are only getting somewhere but the somewhere you get to is the place in the nonphysical realm you already started off from so you can't technically forget it, that is, the entrance point to this reality is what you remember when you exit, so, it's like you remember what you were doing before you got here, so, believing you are exiting the incarnational cycle is one way to leave, but there are many others, you can stab someone in the face and hope you die, for example. I wouldn't recommend this but it has worked a couple of times in a couple lifetimes. Very strange. But it's all good. Don't worry about it too much.
I just want to skip this reality and go to the one in my dreams where I have someone who loves me and cool flying bicycles and I can order strawberry milk for free
I think this place is 10% real people, 90% simulated beings. It's not just one person. Reincarnation means being born into the real world, or being sent back here again if you have not passed the test.
Talked to Nobody in his dreams last night, he said this was accurate.
It's also why he's been saying his plan is to kill all humans, aside from because he loves sea turtles. Basically, the portal that lets us our escape this realm, rather than forcing our re incarnation is cleared, but we need to exit en masse to to "storm heaven" as it were, and finally get out of this mess.
You guys have seemed sort of anti-killing-off-all-of humanity though, for some reason.
He went on to explain that in later visions, he saw himself following an old man dressed in golden and cardinal robes thropugh the "tunnels" (that's just how the appear to him in the vision, non physical things get drawn as physical things we can understand when we see them in visions), but basically it would require inventing a way to get a large group of people to enter trances together and (astral project?) travel to this turn-around-point/outer-heaven so they their souls can all sorm heaven actual, or whatever these "gods" call their dimensions. Then he doesn't know what to do. Doesn't know who the "gods" are or how to defeat them, we already lost once, evidently. This would be like if the Lakota Nation drove to Washington DC, unarmed, to liberate the USA.
He said he's willing to give it a try if he can figure out how to do it.
afraid as in you committed enough evil? maybe. but I don't think we can understand the purpose of reincarnation other than it's rooted in God's divine love and wisdom. it could just be akin to an experience, a pointless dream we chose.
We are fuel for an inter-dimensional engine that allows certain entities to live outside of time and space and harvest our energy allowing them to never die
you just pointed out duality. there is faith, and then there is hopelessness and feeling like a victim. one is rooted in reason once you understand divine love is real and the other is rooted in darkness.
how would that even work? why would us being sad or in pain here mean that some entity somewhere gets to avoid nonexistence? are they up there making trauma milkshakes or maybe inhaling pain dust like some kind of filter feeder? this theory doesn’t make any sense
This is from those who've had it too good. Go and see the evil.
I mean really see it, experience it. I bet those babies getting raped and eaten by the elites are learning a LOT right now huh?
Or how about the poor children starving to death to shitty human parents that won't even feed 'em? They "learning" too? I could name atrocity and horrid thing after horrid thing.
All happening right now, every second of every day. And oh look, there's no "lessons" in there. Any attempt to rationalize that shit with that dynamic is idiotic at best and actively ignorant and delusional with intent to deceive at worst.
This is a hell realm, accept it. For it is. 🙂 Not always was, but IS.
That's the important part, what it was is small comfort to what it is for we're not in what was but what IS.
Just 'cause you got it reasonably good and take lessons from your life don't mean everyone gets that. It's like being in a fucked up prison and just 'cause you got it a bit more comfy compared to the other wings you mistake it as a school instead of what it is. Kek.
That is a human perspective, but if reincarnation is a thing, then there's something else, call it a soul, or God, whatever, but there's something that carries all of the experiences. In order to be a God at all you'd need to understand infinite, which means having experience infinite, which means infinite good and infinite bad, everything in-between too. If this is the case then, while this doesn't make the suffering okay, it does explain its necessity and unfortunate value.
I'm just saying, seeing as we don't know shit, we can't really make absolute statements, you might be right though.
I am still on the fence if it is real or not, but I have always had an innate sense of self from a young age. My friends thought I was weird because I just seemed like a boomer in a lot of ways. But the thing that convinced me happened about 10 years ago when I was getting blood drawn at the doctor's office. I passed out and knew immediately -- in another body or sense of self -- that I was a pilot in an airplane going down; maybe I had already died and just was there. I was born a few hours after the Lockerbie bombing. The cockpit in my vision was a very brown hue of a 747-200 aircraft, of which I knew jack shit at the time.
i dont remember reincarnating, so it didnt happen. i also dont care if i briefly end up witnessing something that proves i am indeed in the matrix and being loosh farmed. it wont matter in a few moments and what the fuck can i do at that point anyway? chant some funny words i guess.
Assuming it is real, maybe. Because it seems that the majority of living entities here are being exploited, so if reincarnation is a thing that is localised to this world, which there's no reason it must be, it would be likely that you're going to come back as a cow to be slaughtered or human being oppressed. However, maybe when all life experiences are weighed without bias, it's more balanced than it appears from my biased human perspective. Nature tends to balance itself out.
Probably not, though, because if you are infinitely going through experiences and there's nothing you can do about it, you might aswell enjoy the show.
We don't come back as animals that would be pointless. >and there's nothing you can do about it
After waking up we see how our lives are under our control.
No because it's not real
Can you explain that for me?
Yeah, I figured it was a reflection. It's the only way anything make sense.
I agree. I try not to fear.
>Can you explain that for me?
We only have one chance to make things right.
nah
truth is you'll never run out of chances because you'll never be anywhere else
That's not truth, that's just your opinion. A false one at that.
nope, it's truth. I'm sorry it upsets you, but truth is true whether it makes you sad or not, so you should probably dry it up and get used to it
It doesn't upset me because i know you're wrong.
you're clearly upset, so there's no use in pretending otherwise.
everything I've stated here is completely true and correct. I'm sorry that it's affected you the way it has.
You have no evidence disproving this. If you die and experience nothing, then you would not experience time. Therefore, if you die and were to be reborn, the amount of time experienced between rebirth would feel like nothing. Assuming time is cyclical, which it most likely is. Then the universe would end and restart exactly the same way. This would lead to you being recreated. You will live this life an infinite amount of times
I have as much evidence of it not existing as you do of it existing
>inb4 people remembering their past lives
There exists a world beyond what we can see, and entities that can influence the thoughts and actions of human beings. Prove to me that these past life regressions are not the workings of external influences putting things into the minds of these people.
Idk champ. I’ve considered this idea but quantum physics is fucked. It’s all just probabilities. The odds of the universe being recreated in the exact same way is kinda retarded.
However, what I can say is that physics kinda dictates we have no free will, sort of. If the universe is a product of matter and energy interacting with itself, then ultimately the exact conditions of right now were ALWAYS going to happen because the probability of all of the events leading up to THIS point were obviously 100% because they already occurred:
So what was going to happen was what was always going to happen for this moment to exist, so did anyone really make choices or were we just following the dictates of energy interacting with itself? Who tf knows, dawg
I don't think it's possible to determine if we actually have free will or not. We know quantum processes are basically totally random, from our point of view at least. So if the universe started as a quantum field then it started in a random state meaning all following states cannot be determined from the initial state. We don't even know if there was an initial state, as a cyclic universe model has no start. A way around this though would be if there was an initial state and some being outside our reality could know the initial state from their point of view despite it being random to us
>>You will live this life an infinite amount of times
>mfw I've had to stop dead in my tracks at times because I realize I've already been in this exact situation at this exact point in time before
>mfw deja vu isn't just a funky psychological thing
>mfw my soul is literally recycled through the same lifetime over and over and over
>mfw I don't even know what iteration of lifetime I'm on, or how many times more are left
I'm very tired anons. I would ask for freedom, but I don't even know what it looks like. How many times have I typed this post? How many more times will I do so? Is this all really just predetermined? What's the point of all this, really.
you are here to see the grand teleological climax of human history, for better or worse
Yes, you should. To a point.
This place is a hell realm now, converted to a farming operation to extract as much energy out of you lot as possible for the war on the enemy's team.
It's real, i reincarnated myself many many times here. And there's proof outside just my case, you either have not done any real research. Are a bot, fed, idiot, fag, or all of the above.
prison planet is a low perspective, we come here to learn
extremely cringe New Cager opinion
Before calling things new age check what Buddha and teacher before him said.
You're wrong Anon.
The initial purpose of this realm was as a womb for souls to mature inside of and a lower risk way for them to learn.
But those times are long over, it's been infiltrated by the ruinous powers and turned into a farm instead which steals the energy meant to fuel said young souls into maturity for themselves.
Thus keeping them emaciated and weak thus easily controlled/managed. Don't forget the keeping them ignorant of how things work so you can further control them via soft-power IE manipulations.
The truth is it was once meant for a proving ground, to learn in and mature in the safety of a guild cage so you don't get got by the hostile beings outside the realms. But the ruinous powers, which stem outside this reality we call Creation. Infiltrated and infested this realm.
They have not gained total control, they never will. No being of the immaterial can truly master and have total control over the material plane as they do their native plane. But they don't need it, they merely need to have most of the control here to keep beings like yourself deluded into thinking it's situation nominal.
How do i know? I've SEEN the matrices which bind humanity to this place, upon their death.
There's many fields anchored to material bodies in this plane. Around differing planets to funnel you a specific direction once you fall into it's pull.
Earth, Moon/Luna, Saturn, and Pluto being the main ones. Sol, Mars, and planet X being the secondaries.
These fields used to be KNOWN about by humanity before their invasion, and actively utilized by natives of Terra to ward off hostile beings between star systems on the immaterial plane. But now, it's protection has been twisted into confinement.
And it's not the first time this specific system has been wrecked, though the first time it's been wrecked by the ruinous powers.
Luna has only been around in this form we know for 12K years. (:
I do not know a lot on the prior invasion into this system as i wasn't here at that time, but from what i heard it was just as apocalyptic as the one by the ruinous powers albeit less malevolent.
>Entire asteroid belt was once a planet, most material already harvested so it's not nearly as massive as it once was.
>Terra was once sisters with 3 other planets. Mars, Venus, and this other planet.
>The competing faction wasn't aligned with the ruinous powers then, but had a spat with the former reigning sovereigns here and thus got into war with them. Why's not important here, it's beyond what i know but my guess is they competed over territory/resources.
>This system lost that war, and now only has 1 planet in the system which is Earth-like. The other 3 got either rendered uninhabitable or destroyed.
>Mars got nuked and had her core forcibly ground to a halt by EMF tech.
>Venus got chemical weapons used on her, nukes, and shoved closer to the sun.
>The other planet, the strongest and former capitol of the whole system was outright destroyed.
>Terra was designated the next capitol while the natives tried to rebuild.
>The rebuild never happened because of the ruinous powers' invasion.
navajo going deep
3 prior worlds, navajo emergence story. this implies having control over the spirit in a sense that we live until death and can only be controlled imaginatively by the Fates, or voices, or higher beings.
attack or shield, this means my theory of patron aliens exist, from there what would they have to do with us. caretakers in the after life who say hi could imply they are a series of people with purposely limited access to the this world in the means of carving out in escape path through appropriately faulty reincarnation patterns of losing memory and etc., perhaps its blind shot, if you boil down native cultures and european cultures, its just nature vs alchemy. which would make this the easier form to spread information in for a more constant "solar" material to work with. assuming theyre the shield in this scenario.
physically connecting this idea to the real world would mean making alien tech shit crash into earth and it, die under it's own weight.
which would mean the ship's collective blood was at mercy to the earth, even on a micro level.
further emphasized by the idea, iron was a mistake, a cosmic incident OF war. however since nature and alchemy exists, iron, iron and war do.
victims and perpetrators. if we kill our own kind, are we victims? who is trying to hurt us physically if the good help us through the mind. do they exist outside of this galaxy?
from here, both nature and alchemy should be in harmony. aztecs knew to deny europeans the piece of nature that helps to strengthen the Human body.
on a fundamental level i truly do believe that the human species nowadays is not strong enough to physically over power every metal component that multiplies the one entities existence. much less swarm one to overpower one machine in it's entirety for perfect condition.
the guns and etc obey gravity, so we cannot use gravity to fight them, right? the death of past worlds would imply that.
the star people told navajos to build hogans from the houses carrying earth to earth housing.
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>The initial purpose
This implies that time is real and that imperfection exists. Your God is impotent, unable to control what happens.
Instead of being salty, ask your soul why it chose this timeline.
Salty? More like wrathful. Tends to happen when something comes along that wishes/seeks to destroy everything you care about and you in the most painful agonizing parasitic cowardly way possible.
Time is "real" as you are dude. Are you not real? If so, how can you think? Or do anything? Tell me how you think time isn't real, genuinely curious here 'cause you literally watch time progress.
The fuck you mean timeline? What does timelines have to do with this? Ever think that you can't just hop universes easy? Plus, why would i run? I'm in a target rich environment. And i've only just begun the fun and have lots of ammo. (: Not to mention i've been helpful to the humans here, ghosts and shit that find me get shot-gunned right the fuck outta here. So hey, i'm helping. I can't assure security but i can assure exit. Though, i have slowed in doing this lately due to less souls being around to do it to. Seems they've upped their harvest game recently to squeeze every last drop for the coming reset/purge.
Only in a sense, fiction mirroring fact. With a lot of twists and liberties taken diverging it from reality. I use the term "ruinous powers" because that's a more comedic term. 🙂 There's others but that suffices. And is funny to use.
No. But you're welcome to take 'em for me, and be sure to pay Shecklestein all the gold you got for that poison pill that does fuck all eh?
Yep, don't enter the light. It's a funnel trap, like a net for fish. Speaking of, isn't it telling they use such terms for humans? Fish, sheep, cattle, lambs, wheat, ect? What do humans do to these things, oh yeah eat them. They tell ya their plans for you pretty much out the gate if you pay attention. Kek.
>More like wrathful.
The dark gods or whatever you wish to call them want you to feel negative emotions, love and high frequency emotions is AIDS to them.
>Time is "real" as you are dude. Are you not real?
Lesser illusions. My human form is temporary, the Self that I am is beyond time.
>The fuck you mean timeline?
Why this timeline where we experienced the downfall as the human race? If you check the humans who went from Atlantis to paradise you will notice how they are soft and gullible, never been truly trained or tested.
Nothing threw you over here against your will, you decided to be a human on this planet on this timeline.
>dude warhammer is real
ok
That explains why glowies keep posting wiki articles about "Inquisitors," table top game Gestapo.
Meds
But Dio said so in Holy Diver.
>Life's a neverending wheel
OP here. It's a never-ending wheel until it isn't. There you go. That's the trick. Or maybe it wasn't never-ending at all.
>Should we be afraid
No
>Should we be
Yes
New age nonsense.
Fear is a product of ignorance.
"If you knew how powerful you are, you would never be afraid again."
You are an immortal, eternal magical being who was deceived into spending a lifetime into a suit which nullifies these capacities.
fear is a product of survival instinct. I'm so sick of hearing pop spirituality gurus reduce everything to fear and love, which they moralize as well. You should be afraid of poisonous spiders and so on. Fear serves a purpose.
I don't want to "learn" anything, but I do want to come back if I can be more powerful and get revenge on the people who make the modern world ugly. There are a lot of people that deserve to suffer.
I really dont know what death is so i'll avoid it for as long as possible. When the time comes then i shall see.
We shouldn't be afraid of anything 🙂
You always incarnate at whatever level of consciousness you are at, so if you continue to improve your consciousness you will have continually improved lifetimes, but if you languish and regress, things will get worse for you.
I don't know if I buy that one. That would be a huge meme tbh. Also, it seems natural that your consciousness would elevate continually in a single lifetime. It's pretty easy to ego death on LSD and reach the collective consciousness.
What does making things right imply? Seems like the world will naturally come to an end even if I don't do anything.
>What does making things right imply? Seems like the world will naturally come to an end even if I don't do anything.
Making things right = whatever you think comes after escaping "reincarnation".
Making things right is finding your true self.
Just dont reincarnate
If that's possible, I probably won't. Unless we get a chance to reincarnate into a better life. Or a huge gap in between lives.
If you still want to come back here, regardless of what life you live, then you didn't learn anything.
I'm nanny McPhee
I agree. I acknowledge that life IS suffering. But...what if free will isn't real? A lot of sources have claimed that lol. But hey, if I get to make a choice when I die, then I won't.
Why you love pain so much?
If free will isn't real then there's nothing to worry about.
You likely don't have the perspective to be able to say you wouldn't. We live in blindness here. Your soul, higher self, what ever one likes to call it sees this life for what it is in the greater scheme. Some beings return knowing it's suffering because they love so strongly they don't wish to leave any behind. Bodhisattvas
Considering this Civilization managed to ruin the garden of Eden. Yes, the past planets are barren landscapes because past civilizations ruined their garden of Edens.
I've never understood the point of reincarnation. Wouldn't I remember past lives? If I never remember my past life then I might as well be actually dying anyway. Is this supposed to be the first one? I don't get it
The universe is a quantum computer, i want to reincarnate as a quantum computer too. Small steps, making this physical reality a fruitful and fertile landscape.
You don't want this. That's eternal life. Probably. I can't ascertain whether eternal life is a gift or a curse. I don't know if anyone can. I can say this though. You'd probably struggle with solipsism. In my opinion that would make it a curse.
It’s only a curse to you because your life by itself is just suffering. You are a testament to the ideas that you spew.
I can't argue with this. But the thing is, I genuinely struggle with solipsism. Even though I'm replying to everyone. Solipsism is the ultimate burden.
It could help.
Sorry buddy. You are thankfully Poor.
That’s the only burden you have in relation to us.
You can't prove it either
If there was some sort of internet for quantum computers to have interactions together 🙂 it would feel less lonely.
I don’t get the point of asking for a point. The whole process is cannibalistic.
Cannibalism being the byproduct of a tantrum too far gone that then sought to cause suffering beyond it’s current life through the damage of it’s own cells by imbibing human flesh and procreating afterwards.
So at what point would you start asking yourself where you made a mistake as a species instead of pissing and shitting and moaning about it.
You get intuitions about what dissonance/karma you are supposed to be clearing/interact with. Unresolved desire causes the soul to seek resonance.
Think deeply about the things that cause you suffering in life and why. Many answers right in front of you if you are willing to see yourself.
>I've never understood the point of reincarnation.
to produce loosh as food for the ETs who control this earth, they feed off on our emotional responses. predation as a major factor to survive in the animal world, to suffer.
>Wouldn't I remember past lives?
ETs memory wipe us in their 'false' astral heaven, using ET tech via trapping and electrocuting our souls.
>If I never remember my past life then I might as well be actually dying anyway. Is this supposed to be the first one?
no, we got trapped here and reincarnate countless times.
No.
Retarded image, people expect this to be a spiritbomb but like nigga no shit sherlock
>you die and come back the next universe cycle
what a terrible prison
Reincarnation will 100% happen.
It sucks that most religions established that the reincarnation will take into account what we are doing at the time. We are mostly trying to survive and babysit our mind.
>Reincarnation will 100% happen.
100% fearmongering bullshit for you to try to control me by DECIDING FOR ME what will happen in MY AFTERLIFE.
You can take your lies and deception and SHOVE IT SO GOD DAMN FAR into the trash
If you think time is infinite and this universe came out of nowhere then given enough time it will be created again. Religions differ on how we will be recreated and for what purpose. Fuck you.
>time is infinite and this universe came out of nowhere
nobody with an IQ over 95 believes these things
And nobody misses the point that the creation of this existence is not special and can be done again and again easy.
>Should we be afraid of reincarnation?
>Because everyone knows that we do. It would actually make less sense if we didn't.
We should be afraid of the fearmongering weirdos pushing the idea that other human beings know what happens when we pass away of natural causes of old age peacefully in our sleep.
It's about fear and CONTROL
I'm terrified of reincarnation. I keep being worried about dying then coming back as a poor villager in a god forsaken 3rd world country, or just having a shitty life in general.
I've worked very, very hard for the improvements I've made in this lifetime. Physically, financially, spiritually. Really don't want to start at a lower level than I am right now.
>I've worked very, very hard for the improvements I've made in this lifetime
Then you are missing the larger point. The work that matters, the improvement that matters, carries on no matter what.
>everyone knows that we do
Nobody knows if we do. A fair few people guess that we do and then for some reason start believing their guess is actually a fact and go around telling people that it's a fact reincarnation is true. Maybe it is true but nothing exists that we can use to verify it's true. Anybody who says it's all true is a charlatan and a fraud. Same goes for anyone saying it's not true, but people saying it's not true generally aren't the ones travelling around selling books and seminars and so on just to tell people it's not true like their grifting opponents do
What we can do is look at the information we have so far. From the section of the article below we can see that there are some academics that are documenting cases of people that say they can remember a past life. These are often children who tend to forget about it all at a young age. But the fact they're saying they lived a past life at such a young age is indeed a strange thing for a child to say especially if they had not been exposed to these ideas prior. In some cases these children seem to know things from the past life they claimed to have and upon investigation the claims can at times be correct, which certainly gives the idea of reincarnation merit. But this does not mean anything is proven. It is simply an impressive coincidence or a good guess. These are extraordinary claims and vague witness testimony is not sufficient to say these claims verify the existence of the phenomenon of reincarnation. There could easily be some other explanation. All we can do for now is keep documenting cases and hope that in the future there will be technology advanced enough to detect if all of this is indeed true
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation#Claims_of_past_lives
The current leading researcher is this guy here too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_B._Tucker
i hope i get reincarnated as everyone eventually 🙂 now i can see them all naked
we shouldn't be afraid of anything
I fear reincarnation. I dont wanna suffer this shit again.
Assuming it's true, i wouldn't be afraid, no. I would say it would suck a lot and i would be highly displeased because i don't want to come back to this infernal mudball of a planet ever again.
Everyone, I know I am me. I know you're the matrix and my thoughts are reflected back towards me from you, as well as your thoughts too.
Thank you matrix.
Reincarnation just means you get to live forever. I'd rather be alive than anything else.
everything in "heaven" is already perfect, because they don't allow evil into it in order to protect it's identity. You come here to learn what the other side is, to provide context, because you can't fully understand what love is without hatred. This universe is God evolving through his secondary images. If people only understand their purpose they wouldn't be so hard on themselves.
You know what, I was a Tibetan monk and I left the cycle of reincarnation by rainbow body meditation and I ended up in a dressing room where I put down my human costume because this was a human role that we all play, so it's like most of our religions are inaccurate because we are only getting somewhere but the somewhere you get to is the place in the nonphysical realm you already started off from so you can't technically forget it, that is, the entrance point to this reality is what you remember when you exit, so, it's like you remember what you were doing before you got here, so, believing you are exiting the incarnational cycle is one way to leave, but there are many others, you can stab someone in the face and hope you die, for example. I wouldn't recommend this but it has worked a couple of times in a couple lifetimes. Very strange. But it's all good. Don't worry about it too much.
I just want to skip this reality and go to the one in my dreams where I have someone who loves me and cool flying bicycles and I can order strawberry milk for free
Just make the Earth unable to sustain any form of life
Checkmate Wheel of Karma
You actually live the same exact life over and over again on a loop for all of eternity.
I think this place is 10% real people, 90% simulated beings. It's not just one person. Reincarnation means being born into the real world, or being sent back here again if you have not passed the test.
well, you know what that means.
>you're here forever
Talked to Nobody in his dreams last night, he said this was accurate.
It's also why he's been saying his plan is to kill all humans, aside from because he loves sea turtles. Basically, the portal that lets us our escape this realm, rather than forcing our re incarnation is cleared, but we need to exit en masse to to "storm heaven" as it were, and finally get out of this mess.
You guys have seemed sort of anti-killing-off-all-of humanity though, for some reason.
Where my suicidal ones at? Loving you guys.
Anyway, watch the vid, good shit.
He went on to explain that in later visions, he saw himself following an old man dressed in golden and cardinal robes thropugh the "tunnels" (that's just how the appear to him in the vision, non physical things get drawn as physical things we can understand when we see them in visions), but basically it would require inventing a way to get a large group of people to enter trances together and (astral project?) travel to this turn-around-point/outer-heaven so they their souls can all sorm heaven actual, or whatever these "gods" call their dimensions. Then he doesn't know what to do. Doesn't know who the "gods" are or how to defeat them, we already lost once, evidently. This would be like if the Lakota Nation drove to Washington DC, unarmed, to liberate the USA.
He said he's willing to give it a try if he can figure out how to do it.
>dressed in golden and cardinal robes
They must be connected to the University of Southern California then, it's the only thing that makes any sense.
TROJAN FOOTBALL RULES!!!!!
Why are the best people always mass-murderers at heart?
Explain
afraid as in you committed enough evil? maybe. but I don't think we can understand the purpose of reincarnation other than it's rooted in God's divine love and wisdom. it could just be akin to an experience, a pointless dream we chose.
>God's divine love and wisdom
doesn't exist
We are fuel for an inter-dimensional engine that allows certain entities to live outside of time and space and harvest our energy allowing them to never die
you just pointed out duality. there is faith, and then there is hopelessness and feeling like a victim. one is rooted in reason once you understand divine love is real and the other is rooted in darkness.
Whatever. I'm not here to win an argument or convince anyone.
Nobody likes to say, "this teaching is for those with eyes to see an ears to hear."
Good luck to you, sir.
how would that even work? why would us being sad or in pain here mean that some entity somewhere gets to avoid nonexistence? are they up there making trauma milkshakes or maybe inhaling pain dust like some kind of filter feeder? this theory doesn’t make any sense
also, if you die, DON'T GO TOWARDS THE LIGHT!
it's a trap
Nobody has been saying this for literally, decades.
Look around for other alternatives.
Apparently the Tibetans mention a blue light behind you it's worse a shot.
Maybe we're in purgatory.
Just a school/experience, fren. That's all there is to it.
Wrong.
This is from those who've had it too good. Go and see the evil.
I mean really see it, experience it. I bet those babies getting raped and eaten by the elites are learning a LOT right now huh?
Or how about the poor children starving to death to shitty human parents that won't even feed 'em? They "learning" too? I could name atrocity and horrid thing after horrid thing.
All happening right now, every second of every day. And oh look, there's no "lessons" in there. Any attempt to rationalize that shit with that dynamic is idiotic at best and actively ignorant and delusional with intent to deceive at worst.
This is a hell realm, accept it. For it is. 🙂 Not always was, but IS.
That's the important part, what it was is small comfort to what it is for we're not in what was but what IS.
Just 'cause you got it reasonably good and take lessons from your life don't mean everyone gets that. It's like being in a fucked up prison and just 'cause you got it a bit more comfy compared to the other wings you mistake it as a school instead of what it is. Kek.
That is a human perspective, but if reincarnation is a thing, then there's something else, call it a soul, or God, whatever, but there's something that carries all of the experiences. In order to be a God at all you'd need to understand infinite, which means having experience infinite, which means infinite good and infinite bad, everything in-between too. If this is the case then, while this doesn't make the suffering okay, it does explain its necessity and unfortunate value.
I'm just saying, seeing as we don't know shit, we can't really make absolute statements, you might be right though.
I am still on the fence if it is real or not, but I have always had an innate sense of self from a young age. My friends thought I was weird because I just seemed like a boomer in a lot of ways. But the thing that convinced me happened about 10 years ago when I was getting blood drawn at the doctor's office. I passed out and knew immediately -- in another body or sense of self -- that I was a pilot in an airplane going down; maybe I had already died and just was there. I was born a few hours after the Lockerbie bombing. The cockpit in my vision was a very brown hue of a 747-200 aircraft, of which I knew jack shit at the time.
We pronounce it Abra Hammock 'n dese parts
i dont remember reincarnating, so it didnt happen. i also dont care if i briefly end up witnessing something that proves i am indeed in the matrix and being loosh farmed. it wont matter in a few moments and what the fuck can i do at that point anyway? chant some funny words i guess.
Assuming it is real, maybe. Because it seems that the majority of living entities here are being exploited, so if reincarnation is a thing that is localised to this world, which there's no reason it must be, it would be likely that you're going to come back as a cow to be slaughtered or human being oppressed. However, maybe when all life experiences are weighed without bias, it's more balanced than it appears from my biased human perspective. Nature tends to balance itself out.
Probably not, though, because if you are infinitely going through experiences and there's nothing you can do about it, you might aswell enjoy the show.
We don't come back as animals that would be pointless.
>and there's nothing you can do about it
After waking up we see how our lives are under our control.
Maybe..