Should the role of prisons be to punush or to rehabilitate?


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Should the role of prisons be to punush or to rehabilitate?

  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    both, depending on the crime
    it's impossible to rehabilitate some criminals, like ted bundy

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rehabilitate non-violent individual criminals whose acts were motivated by poor economic prospects.

      As mentioned, people like Jeffrey Dahmer, James Holmes, Jeffrey Epstein, Jared Loughner, and CWC are essentially unrehabilitable and should be left to rot in their squalid Aryan Brotherhood/Mexican Mafia-ruled Hell, if not just straight-up executed.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        What does Anne Frank have to do with either this topic or your post? Does this board make an exception for avatarposting?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Because the people who killed her deserve gif related

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Because the people who killed her
            Interesting choice of words, I wouldn't refer to Rickettsia prowazekii as "people"

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              I wouldn't refer to the German SS as 'people' either

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but that's consistent for redditbrains.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Rehabilitate non-violent individual criminals whose acts were motivated by poor economic prospects
        That’s racist.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ted Bundy was framed, most likely.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        His DNA was used to confirm that he murdered girls that he admitted to murdering. Told police where they could find the bodies and everything.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          As I remember it his DNA was added to the database, but has never been linked with any case, and the bodies he admitted to were never found

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/dna-testing-helps-police-confirm-bundy-killed-missing-teen/

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              The article says they found her DNA. Not his.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The article says they found her DNA. Not his.

      CWC actually confirmed Ted Bundy was one of the three people in the world who is half Sonichu. Not a lot of people know this.

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    To segregate criminals from society and to provide a deterrent for would-be criminals (therefore to punish). "Rehabilitation" is a meme rooted in self-destructive sympathy for people that would harm them and their loved ones. If you have a decent legal system that doesn't imprison that many truly innocent people, then there's no problem.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rehabilitative systems seem to work fairly well when not run by underfunded, overwhelmed authorities like in Brazil.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Like where and for what crimes? What is an example of this?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          There's generally strong evidence behind it.
          https://crimesolutions.ojp.gov/ratedpractices/101#mao

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    depends on the crime

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is no crime severe enough to warrant imprisonment but not so severe to warrant death. The purpose of the justice system should be to restore the victim, not to punish the perpetrator. If there is no monetary or other form of restitution possible, the only punishment is death

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There is no crime severe enough to warrant imprisonment but not so severe to warrant death
      I agree with this. Prisons are cruel and useless and letting evil men back out to hurt innocents after arbitrary times in the dungeon is the worst possible solution.
      Execution for serious criminals, restoration and lesser punishment for minor ones.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Rehabilitate those that can be, punish those that can't.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >punush

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Rehabilitation works for property crime or drug addiction, people with psychopathic tendencies cannot be fixed. You can teach someone not to commit credit card fraud, you can't teach him to not murder and rape.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Some murderers are not psychos. Depends on the degree of murder. An accomplice to a burglary where his partner in crime kills someone can be charged with murder in some places, as can a woman who kills her abusive husband, a parent who killed a child molester, or a prostitute who kills her pimp.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        that's called justifiable self-defense or manslaughter as opposed to premeditated murder, anon

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Depends on the circumstances. In one famous case (probably because the shooting was caught on film) a father shot and killed the man who sexually abused his 11yo son. He was charged with 2nd degree murder, but eventually was convicted of manslaughter because of a plea bargain. Understandably he was given a suspended sentence, community service, and probation. In another case, a sex trafficking victim was convicted of murdering her pimp and got a life sentence, though she was recently released IIRC.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          That usually counts as premediated murder, I believe. Self defence is only when you are being physically assaulted at that exact moment.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The ultimate goals of the system are to recompensate the victim and society, and to reintegrate or incapacitate the perpetrator. Recompensation would be done through fines, community service, hard labor. When the root problem is solved, like mental illness or no prospects, the perpetrator may reintegrate into society, after fulfilling the obligations. If it's not, the term is indefinite. No death penalty as the right to life is fundamental.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      What is the appropriate fine for murder? I agree with you on your first point, but restorative justice cannot imprison people indefinitely. Contrary to recompense, the permanently imprisoned are having their lives extended by extracting resources from their victims.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Coldly said, the appropriate fine is how much potential productivity was lost.

        >restorative justice cannot imprison people indefinitely.
        Restorative justice is the ideal, but not the only end, which is why I mention the role of incapacitation.

        >the permanently imprisoned are having their lives extended by extracting resources from their victims.
        Like I said, recompense can come through community service and hard labor.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Coldly said, the appropriate fine is how much potential productivity was lost.
          So the person who murderers the trust fund heir is liable for more than the person who murders someone with cerebral palsy?
          If a rich man murders a poor man, he simply pays however much money his victim would've made in the remainder of his life? And the poor man who murders a rich man is given a life sentence of hard labor, never being able to pay off the speculative debt?
          How can the right to life be fundamental if my life has a price tag that is within someone's budget?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >So the person who murderers the trust fund heir is liable for more than the person who murders someone with cerebral palsy?
            Heirs are not inherently more productive.

            >And the poor man who murders a rich man is given a life sentence of hard labor, never being able to pay off the speculative debt?
            That's how it pans out, yes, if the rich person is not just doing nothing with the money.

            >How can the right to life be fundamental if my life has a price tag that is within someone's budget?
            Because the economy exists to serve human wellbeing, not vice versa. So, you can talk about the economic worth of something to more objectively progress this goal.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Punish. If you're going to rehab anyone, help the victims and their families.

        The appropriate punishment for murder is death. Details in the Bible.

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    rehabilitate at first
    2nd offense should be punishment

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't see how these are mutually exclusive. Being put in prison for a crime is by definition a punishment, regardless of what happens inside.

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    there should be two kinds of prisons: one that focuses on rehabiltiation and one that is just solely for punishment if you are unable to be rehabilitated

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Punishment should be secondary to rehabilitation and containment, and should only be important in cases of heinous, very clearly thought out crimes.

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    There should be no prisons, people should be whipped instead.

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    rehabilitate first offenders of petty crime and act as a holding place until death row.
    Shelve first offenders of major crimes until they are 50
    Execution for multiple offenders and offenders over the age of 50.

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Prisons shouldn't exist, all criminals should be sent to the places they grew up in, maybe that way people will learn what are they doing wrong to create those monsters, a society gets the criminals it deserves.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      So you just deny personal responsibility and blame le society?

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both.
    I don't know how people keep forgetting this. Even the nicest Norwegian prison is still punishing you. Your freedom is taken away and you live like a hamster, your schedule is chosen and controlled by others. You can't buy stuff without permission, you can't work the job you want, you can't use the internet freely, you cant travel. It fucking sucks.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The most humane prisons allow inmates to leave for work or personal events and such. I'm pretty sure they're meant to hold people who aren't a major danger to public safety

  17. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    PVNISH

  18. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The goal of prisons should be to prevent criminals from causing more harm to society and rehabilitate the minor criminals into being functioning members of society. So basically the opposite of what burgerland is doing

  19. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The main role is to separate criminals from society so they can't do more harm. Criminality is genetic and can't be rehabilitated. It would be even better if criminals were sterilized.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on the category. In some cases, psychopathology that leads to violence can run in families. But like any genetic trait, it usually expresses itself best with an environmental trigger.

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