>3rd worlder detected
- White man "I want to use the most power efficient machine I can get that satisfies my thirst for performance for years to come, if competitor makes a card that is just as performant and consumes less power, that's a win for me."
Either runs vsync or a frame limiter set to double framerate+freesync/gsync.
- Black person cattle "Power draw for consumer devices doesn't matter, 500W power usage and 1000W transient spikes on a GPU should be the mainstream. Vsync? What's that, why did my RTX 4090 died while in a main menu of the game."
2 years ago
Anonymous
Poor people are often poor because they spend more money than they should. They conflate personal belongings with wealth.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>They conflate personal belongings with wealth.
I don't think I yet understand the full scope of what you meant there.
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There is wealth of resources, which can include things like:
Knowledge, connections, power, businesses, patents, people who work for you, having some form of savings etc.
Your first sentence really brings the light onto resourcefulness and virtue of living below your means.
You could consider that knowing how to cook well is a skill of nourishing yourself(and nourishing yourself well is important) above your means by spending below your means.
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But with this latter sentence you want to bring attention to something closer to:
Bill Gates owning a lot of farmland, Black-rock owning a lot of houses in US.
Which brings it to the core the concept of trying to "flex on the poor".
And you see this in plenty of rap videos, it's this fake projection of wealth while the rapper is actually deep in-debt to the recording studio.
Just like some artists aren't rich, because they own/rent a lambo(especially with money that they got lent to by a recording studio).
People aren't wealthy because they bought a 1600$ gpu, while struggling to make ends meet.
(And a gpu is basically extremely negligible value compared to something like a farm with equipment and a plot of land to cultivate)
(Or even value of owning a house and paying property taxes instead of rent)
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Having in mind resourcefulness(how much money could you spend on this, what you need, and ideally you spend none), inherently low deprecating value.
I guess you really summed it up well in just 2 sentences.
It really just goes down to living below your means, and gradually building up resources which you can use to build up actual wealth, rather than spend on mere consumables.
Not with the memory prices and capacity. They are matching the 4090 on that.
Expect $1200 minimum. If not more.
The big loss will be the 7800XT being $650. There's no fricking way the new AMD will be based and release their 4080 competitor for more than 10% less than the 4080 12GB, even if it performs less. They'll gouge for a $850 price point for sure, even if the specs are correct and it's a 12GB model this gen.
>Underestimates Nvidia RTX and other gimmicks that use to justify their premium over AMD SKUs.
If RDNA3 isn't able to on par with 4080 12GIB at RTX in RT. It will not persuade anybody who is set on RT being next big thing.
Rasterization performance is kinda important but it will end-up being just like 16-bit color mode was for 3Dfx in its heyday.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>anybody who is set on RT being next big thing.
all 5 of them?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>anybody who is set on RT being next big thing
The games already run like shit without RT. You need to be a masochist to enable it, tank the framerate and then "fix it" by adding even more smear than TAA already does with DLSS 3.0 Nugamers were a mistake, they'll jerk off that their $1500 GPU does 4K 60 FPS on ultra while ignoring the fact that the game has vaseline smeared all over it because of TAA or other bullshit that completely destroys image clarity. Go disable TAA in a game that allows it and look at how dogshit the hair looks, literally a shimmering mess. Then compare it to the hair in pic rel. Looks amazing and no TAA needed. Devs are just lazy and publishers moronic with unrealistic expectations.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Devs are just lazy and publishers moronic with unrealistic expectations.
That about sums up the entire industry. People don't even bother with performance optimization anymore. >You mean that would take 2 more months of work? Nah, ship it next week instead.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah. >Hire an experienced software engineer and pay and treat them well so that our game doesn't shit the bed and requires top hardware to brute force performance? Nah, let me pay a frickton of money to some eceleb to shill my crappy game instead. KEANU CHUNGUS WAOW
2 years ago
Anonymous
wow games look like this nowadays? That looks great honestly.
I have been playing only minecraft for the past years
2 years ago
Anonymous
Assassin's Creed Unity came out almost 8 years ago. Not a lot has improved since then. Games that have barely better graphics run like trash now because optimization is pretty much ignored outside of a few examples.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This. I was thinking of upgrading but there's no reason to.
These two. I should be happy for my wallet, but the disappointment is immeasurable.
Bad take.
7900XT will be faster if you ignore frame interpolation gimmicks full of artifacts and power viruses.
AMD was guessing the 4090 would be 2x the performance of the 3090. Instead it's about 1.6x. And they aimed to beat that 2x, not just match it.
With rumors of RDNA3 boosting near 4ghz, and how high the core counts were leaked to be, there's no way it doesn't completely demolish the 4090 in rasterization. There's a reason why Nvidia spent 10 seconds displaying rasterization performance, and spent hours on meme buzzwords and snakeoil.
>Don't forget worse drivers
Not from my experience.
AMD drivers on my Radeon 6800 are better than on my GeForce 2060.
Furthermore, Nvidia's Linux drivers are a joke while AMD works out of the box.
He doesn't, but Nvidiot gaymers like to LARP about all the features they don't use before settling in to play CS:GO on their RTX 4090 Super Ti OC Edition.
At this point, the best we can hope for is AMD not raising prices or only raising prices by like $50. Reminder that all GPU MSRPs have been very overpriced for at least 3 generations now. We're in a really bad spot.
And don't screw with the current pricing. They'd still make bank, capture market share, and make consumers relatively happy. Do something like what Sony did with PlayStation 4 game sharing.
Kick the competition (Nvidia) straight in the balls.
yeah, if the market truly has calmed down with the downfall of crypto they would win big by doing this. we've had years of "just make any card and price it however and it'll sell out immediately" and NV seems to be betting on this being the case again (or then it's going to be a paper launch to get the old cards out first)
RX 6600 was between 1080 and 1080ti performance but price was too high.
If they would simply refresh the 6600xt slightly on the new 6nm, and make it $219 MSRP, 130W TDP, I think that'd do well. That's what an RX580 successor would look like imo.
put it in a pcie2.0 board and it does.
I don't care if only 1% of people does that.
Is a limitation the rx580 doesn't have.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The PCIe 4.0 x8 is literally meaningless.
It's 15% performance loss in Doom if your board is 3.0, but still >144fps.
Every other game it's a 0.1-5% fps loss if you're on PCIe 3.0
put it in a pcie2.0 board and it does.
I don't care if only 1% of people does that.
Is a limitation the rx580 doesn't have.
A CPU from a PCIe 2.0 board is not powerful enough to drive the RX 6600. It's between gtx 1080 and 1080ti performance. Just get a 1050ti, maybe RX570 at most, or upgrade your CPU.
2 years ago
Anonymous
it all depends on what you play or do. not all is tied to games the bigger bus is always a plus.
and I know any cpu that era enough for it. but is not a reason to israelite in that regard.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The desktop version is 8x too
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is this the mobile chip of the 6600? Not that much price difference
>wait for our broken trash for $150 less on the high end and $50 on the lower end with less features and broken drivers
It's alwasy the same shit.
I have more hope in intel to deliver with battlemage than ayyyymd.
>nvidia is trying to not destroy their partners that have mountains of 3000s in stock.
Nah, they are totally weaning off their AIB partners.
Nvidia wants full control whatever the next mining craze happens and rake in all of the profit.
PoW isn't going away. There's too much to make in the grift.
PoW mining will come again once the next crypto boomtown comes around.
morons said that crypto mining would have died once BTC tapped out. What happen is that movement simply moved into ETH and now ETH has been tapped out. It will not be long until next PoW crypto boomtown comes again.
The only way PoW will die is you completely destroy the economic incentive to do it. PoS doesn't do shit and will only only become a geekier form of trading paintings, collectibles to avoid taxes.
there's another bitcion halving right around the corner, you know? eth doesn't do mining anymore, but so what? bitcoin and all its derivatives and copycat coins still do.
Just make the raster performance better and price lower and it will be great deal. No need for gimmick RTX thing so you have to use upscaling if you don't like 15 fps.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SAVE ME israeliteLMAN
>7900 XT, same performance as 4090, no CUDA, no RT features
>$1549
Screencap this
I'll still buy it if it used 150W less.
>I'll still buy it if it used 150W less.
3rd worlder detected
not him and I don't want a heater or tubine near me. also I don't play that much
it's not like the idle power use would be massive on the 4090. right, guys..?
probably is going to waste like 70w on idle
Actual third worlder here, we have 99 things wrong here, but power bills ain't one.
That's more of a german thing.
>That's more of a german thing.
:'(
usa is 3rd world country with 1st world gdp
>3rd worlder detected
- White man "I want to use the most power efficient machine I can get that satisfies my thirst for performance for years to come, if competitor makes a card that is just as performant and consumes less power, that's a win for me."
Either runs vsync or a frame limiter set to double framerate+freesync/gsync.
- Black person cattle "Power draw for consumer devices doesn't matter, 500W power usage and 1000W transient spikes on a GPU should be the mainstream. Vsync? What's that, why did my RTX 4090 died while in a main menu of the game."
Poor people are often poor because they spend more money than they should. They conflate personal belongings with wealth.
>They conflate personal belongings with wealth.
I don't think I yet understand the full scope of what you meant there.
---------------
There is wealth of resources, which can include things like:
Knowledge, connections, power, businesses, patents, people who work for you, having some form of savings etc.
Your first sentence really brings the light onto resourcefulness and virtue of living below your means.
You could consider that knowing how to cook well is a skill of nourishing yourself(and nourishing yourself well is important) above your means by spending below your means.
---------------
But with this latter sentence you want to bring attention to something closer to:
Bill Gates owning a lot of farmland, Black-rock owning a lot of houses in US.
Which brings it to the core the concept of trying to "flex on the poor".
And you see this in plenty of rap videos, it's this fake projection of wealth while the rapper is actually deep in-debt to the recording studio.
Just like some artists aren't rich, because they own/rent a lambo(especially with money that they got lent to by a recording studio).
People aren't wealthy because they bought a 1600$ gpu, while struggling to make ends meet.
(And a gpu is basically extremely negligible value compared to something like a farm with equipment and a plot of land to cultivate)
(Or even value of owning a house and paying property taxes instead of rent)
---------------
Having in mind resourcefulness(how much money could you spend on this, what you need, and ideally you spend none), inherently low deprecating value.
I guess you really summed it up well in just 2 sentences.
It really just goes down to living below your means, and gradually building up resources which you can use to build up actual wealth, rather than spend on mere consumables.
no need, I know you're right
>7900XT
>slightly less performance at raster than 4090, >about 3090Ti or 4080 12GiB at RT
>$999
You’d be able to get a 7900X and a 7900XT for less than a single 4090 if the price for the 7900XT is in that range lol
Not with the memory prices and capacity. They are matching the 4090 on that.
Expect $1200 minimum. If not more.
The big loss will be the 7800XT being $650. There's no fricking way the new AMD will be based and release their 4080 competitor for more than 10% less than the 4080 12GB, even if it performs less. They'll gouge for a $850 price point for sure, even if the specs are correct and it's a 12GB model this gen.
>Underestimates Nvidia RTX and other gimmicks that use to justify their premium over AMD SKUs.
If RDNA3 isn't able to on par with 4080 12GIB at RTX in RT. It will not persuade anybody who is set on RT being next big thing.
Rasterization performance is kinda important but it will end-up being just like 16-bit color mode was for 3Dfx in its heyday.
>anybody who is set on RT being next big thing.
all 5 of them?
>anybody who is set on RT being next big thing
The games already run like shit without RT. You need to be a masochist to enable it, tank the framerate and then "fix it" by adding even more smear than TAA already does with DLSS 3.0 Nugamers were a mistake, they'll jerk off that their $1500 GPU does 4K 60 FPS on ultra while ignoring the fact that the game has vaseline smeared all over it because of TAA or other bullshit that completely destroys image clarity. Go disable TAA in a game that allows it and look at how dogshit the hair looks, literally a shimmering mess. Then compare it to the hair in pic rel. Looks amazing and no TAA needed. Devs are just lazy and publishers moronic with unrealistic expectations.
>Devs are just lazy and publishers moronic with unrealistic expectations.
That about sums up the entire industry. People don't even bother with performance optimization anymore.
>You mean that would take 2 more months of work? Nah, ship it next week instead.
Yeah.
>Hire an experienced software engineer and pay and treat them well so that our game doesn't shit the bed and requires top hardware to brute force performance? Nah, let me pay a frickton of money to some eceleb to shill my crappy game instead. KEANU CHUNGUS WAOW
wow games look like this nowadays? That looks great honestly.
I have been playing only minecraft for the past years
Assassin's Creed Unity came out almost 8 years ago. Not a lot has improved since then. Games that have barely better graphics run like trash now because optimization is pretty much ignored outside of a few examples.
These two. I should be happy for my wallet, but the disappointment is immeasurable.
nah it's going to be 1099
Bad take.
7900XT will be faster if you ignore frame interpolation gimmicks full of artifacts and power viruses.
AMD was guessing the 4090 would be 2x the performance of the 3090. Instead it's about 1.6x. And they aimed to beat that 2x, not just match it.
With rumors of RDNA3 boosting near 4ghz, and how high the core counts were leaked to be, there's no way it doesn't completely demolish the 4090 in rasterization. There's a reason why Nvidia spent 10 seconds displaying rasterization performance, and spent hours on meme buzzwords and snakeoil.
You don't know what the word Rasterization mean. You're thinking of shader.
And that's a lot of preemptive hype for a rumor at best.
Rasterization has become a generic term for OpenGL/DirectX rendering that is done in a "hacky" way rather than ray traced.
Please be true
delete all the screencaps
>Already had RT features last gen
>No RT features
It's amazing how many people don't know this.
AMD should have sued Nvidia to begin with because RTX is too close to RX but sounds like it does ray tracing when RX doesn't.
Don't forget worse drivers and lower value when you resell it a few years down the road when you decide to replace it.
>Don't forget worse drivers
Not from my experience.
AMD drivers on my Radeon 6800 are better than on my GeForce 2060.
Furthermore, Nvidia's Linux drivers are a joke while AMD works out of the box.
what do you need cuda for, anyways?
He doesn't, but Nvidiot gaymers like to LARP about all the features they don't use before settling in to play CS:GO on their RTX 4090 Super Ti OC Edition.
Stable Diffusion.
>no RT features
lolwut
AMD don't have RT dedicated silicon
It does.
u mum a rasta
At this point, the best we can hope for is AMD not raising prices or only raising prices by like $50. Reminder that all GPU MSRPs have been very overpriced for at least 3 generations now. We're in a really bad spot.
they have the opportunity do to better this time.
they wont
How to boost AMD Radeon to 99% marketshare: Release a successor to the RX 480.
And don't screw with the current pricing. They'd still make bank, capture market share, and make consumers relatively happy. Do something like what Sony did with PlayStation 4 game sharing.
Kick the competition (Nvidia) straight in the balls.
yeah, if the market truly has calmed down with the downfall of crypto they would win big by doing this. we've had years of "just make any card and price it however and it'll sell out immediately" and NV seems to be betting on this being the case again (or then it's going to be a paper launch to get the old cards out first)
i fricking wish
old card.
i'm still running an rx580 and I don't feel the need to upgrade.
Finewine™ chad stay winning.
Vega 56 for me
This. I was thinking of upgrading but there's no reason to.
RX 6600 was between 1080 and 1080ti performance but price was too high.
If they would simply refresh the 6600xt slightly on the new 6nm, and make it $219 MSRP, 130W TDP, I think that'd do well. That's what an RX580 successor would look like imo.
RX 6600M is the RX 580 succesor
>M
no
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004101641050.html
>not cheap enough
>8x
16x vs 8x makes no difference on low end cards.
put it in a pcie2.0 board and it does.
I don't care if only 1% of people does that.
Is a limitation the rx580 doesn't have.
The PCIe 4.0 x8 is literally meaningless.
It's 15% performance loss in Doom if your board is 3.0, but still >144fps.
Every other game it's a 0.1-5% fps loss if you're on PCIe 3.0
A CPU from a PCIe 2.0 board is not powerful enough to drive the RX 6600. It's between gtx 1080 and 1080ti performance. Just get a 1050ti, maybe RX570 at most, or upgrade your CPU.
it all depends on what you play or do. not all is tied to games the bigger bus is always a plus.
and I know any cpu that era enough for it. but is not a reason to israelite in that regard.
The desktop version is 8x too
Is this the mobile chip of the 6600? Not that much price difference
Same specs, but cheaper.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6600.c3696
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6600m.c3776
I only trust sapphire tho.
Why cant chinks reverse engineer nvidia chips and make their own knockoff NVODIA or whatever.
bros I dont wanna wait 2 more months. I had enough. I waited for so long.
>wait for our broken trash for $150 less on the high end and $50 on the lower end with less features and broken drivers
It's alwasy the same shit.
I have more hope in intel to deliver with battlemage than ayyyymd.
nvidia is trying to not destroy their partners that have mountains of 3000s in stock. It is a paper launch.
AMD is in a more comfortable position to either maintain the prices or decrease it a little bit.
>nvidia is trying to not destroy their partners that have mountains of 3000s in stock.
Nah, they are totally weaning off their AIB partners.
Nvidia wants full control whatever the next mining craze happens and rake in all of the profit.
>the next mining craze
PoW isn't going away. There's too much to make in the grift.
PoW mining will come again once the next crypto boomtown comes around.
morons said that crypto mining would have died once BTC tapped out. What happen is that movement simply moved into ETH and now ETH has been tapped out. It will not be long until next PoW crypto boomtown comes again.
The only way PoW will die is you completely destroy the economic incentive to do it. PoS doesn't do shit and will only only become a geekier form of trading paintings, collectibles to avoid taxes.
litecoin is still worth $50 somehow, could be profitable to mine again with new cards having 2x compute per watt
all coins are going down soon.
remember, buy high sell low
there's another bitcion halving right around the corner, you know? eth doesn't do mining anymore, but so what? bitcoin and all its derivatives and copycat coins still do.
announcing the announcement
Nvidia set Radeon up for success this time
if they can't do it now then it's never gonna happen
I hope supply isn't an issue this gen. I would love to see these things on some kind of a discount by early next year.
Can't wait for another rebrand of old cards that deliver half the features of nvidia ones at 95% their price.
ah frick why nov 3rd?
>never heard of DLSS or RDNA before september
>now it's the only thing i hear about
am i moronic or is this just snakeoil shit
you are moronic.
you're underage or moronic
so many seething NEETs
you'll never have CUDA
You'll never be needed for Art 2.0
Who the frick cares? They are just going to price the cards $50 cheaper. It's a duopoly now
Just make the raster performance better and price lower and it will be great deal. No need for gimmick RTX thing so you have to use upscaling if you don't like 15 fps.
AMD is for gamers, Nvidia is for Nvidiots.
Modern GPUs are worthless since they don't have good drivers.