Let's compromise and end this debate once and for all. The Atheists will concede that the universe was created by a god or gods if the Theists admit they have no knowledge of that god or gods and that in all probability such beings have no interest in humanity at all.
>Atheists will concede that the universe was created by a god or gods
No because that's not true
we don't know that.
we just know that the kike god doesn't exist - and neither do the other gods
>Theists admit they have no knowledge of that god or gods
No because that's not true
God literally made the sun go dark and shook the earth while Jesus was on the cross, it's pretty clear which religion the divine endorses, look at pic related and https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qzHWrQ2DHhQ
>God literally made the sun go dark and shook the earth while Jesus was on the cross
Such an event would be Global. The entire human race would have seen it, yet no one else on Earth bothered to record that event, in fact, its only mentioned in one of the Gospels.
It's clearly just as factual as North Korea's claim that birds sang with human voices when Kim Jung Ill was born.
>Such an event would be Global
Says who? Why make an earthquake in Australia where they won't know the significance for 1800 years? Needless damage.
>yet no one else on Earth bothered to record that event, in fact
Erm... the whole point of the video is that they did. C'mon man it's less than 60 seconds
For purposes of discussion, lets say that bullshit actually happened.
S0 FUCKING WHAT?
Your god has been inactive for over a thousand years. No one has seen or heard from it. That's long enough for your god to be declared legally dead.
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I bet you start your day with jerking off for a minute then spending an hour on your knees begging Jebus for forgiveness..
Balls of hydrogen and barren rocks are azing signs
So then, if those events happened, would you agree that makes the case for Jesus' resurrection even stronger?
And that means that what 1 Corinthians says about the general resurrection is true, and about how all the good we add to this world will be made part of the resurrected world, which adds an entire dimension of meaningfulness to our lives, since it means nothing we do can ever be futile or a waste or in vain so long as it's good.
The implications snowball quickly, you see!
if that bullshit happened. (Which it didn't) Consider the implications of centuries passing without divine actions.
>if that bullshit happened. (Which it didn't)
What are your thoughts on the evidence that it did?
>Consider the implications of centuries passing without divine actions
I have: God doesn't usually directly act in the world. Only at special times and places, like the crucifixion.
Have you considered that your entire life will never produce one of those "special times" that your god needs to get up off its ass and do something?
God is always maintaining the universe. It's just a matter of adding extra good to it beyond what his creations add, since then you start to run into paradoxes involving infinity.
But the next time we can be confident that God will act is when the third Temple that Ezekiel describes is built, and that isn't such a remote possibility. Certainly, stranger things have happened in my father's lifetime than a relatively expensive building in Israel being constructed.
Careful, you wouldn't want to hinge your belief in god on a testable prediction.
Haven't you been paying attention? The crucifixion earthquake was absolutely vindicated by the development of earthquake dating techniques in historical sediment. So too will Ezekiel be vindicated when we build the building he instructs.
I don't see how an earthquake proves that the universe was created by a spirit called Yahweh who consists of three persons.
Look at https://youtu.be/Ra2x1owNcQs?si=p9xwHtntBowPLAq5&t=289 and you will. That's another significant quaking, and took place in the Temple of Yahweh as Yahweh spoke.
Earthquakes are natural anon. A year is also 365 days long so just because there was one in 33 AD doesn’t mean that it happened on the day of the crucifixion of yeshua Ben Pantera
Look at https://indico.ictp.it/event/a08182/session/61/contribution/39/material/0/1.pdf
In Israel, from around 1100 BC to the present, approximately 36 earthquakes can be identified in the sediment (including the one at the crucifixion!).
So that's an average of one earthquake every 87 years. That is far too rare for it to simply be a coincidence that this just happened to take place at the most religiously significant moment of human history, right as there was also an inexplicable darkness.
What day was that earthquake in 33 AD anon? Where are the historical records of an inexplicable darkness on that same day?
A) It was actually 32 AD
B)
linked to that info
I’m not giving you or Christians YouTube views. What was the date of the earthquake in 32 AD, where is the historical record of “inexplicable darkness” were they clouds? What do you even mean by that?
So the Gospels say: "And the sixth hour having come, darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour in Mark 15:33 and "And the earth shook and the rocks were split" in Matthew 27:51
Non-Christian ancient historians reported this darkness and earthquake, though they tried to explain it as an eclipse. The historian Phlegon of Tralles wrote:
"In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad [which would be 32 AD], an eclipse of the sun happened, greater and more excellent than any that had happened before it; at the sixth hour, day turned into dark night, so that the stars were seen in the sky, and an earthquake in Bithynia toppled many buildings of the city of Nicaea"
(You can read this here: http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/jerome_chronicle_03_part2.htm)
Notice he reports this as taking place down to the very same hour as the Gospels!
>were they clouds?
Can't be clouds since Phlegon reported that the stars were visible
So your God (Jesus Christ) is going to work a miracle for people who deny him (israelites) and do nothing for you. How does that make you feel?
Nope, actually, israelites DID try to build a third Temple and God told them in no uncertain terms how he felt about that, look at the historical accounts of the effort at https://fisheaterscom/juliantemple.html
God might have to repeat himself in the near future.
https://forward.com/news/breaking-news/180354/30-of-israelis-want-third-temple-built-on-temple/
I've thought the same, I hope they try soon since it seems like we'll see what happened when they tried last time happen again. I.E. overt miracles that make them stop.
>in all probability
That's not what atheism means
No compromise with lies
Which part is a lie?
>Atheists
>upper case
Wrong from the bat.
>will concede that the universe was created by a god or gods
Why? That would be us stating that we either know that the universe was created and for that matter that it was some god(s) that were involved in its creation. That or believe, which negates the premise of an atheist not believing in gods.
>the Theists audit they have no knowledge of that god or gods and that in all probability such beings have no interest in humanity at all
That would depend on what manner theist they are. Really, a theist isn't supposed to make claim of knowledge. All they're supposed to do is believe.
Also, the lower case rule applies to theists as well.
>Really, a theist isn't supposed to make claim of knowledge. All they're supposed to do is believe.
Please tell me you are trolling and not this fucking stupid.
Religion is built by sacks of shit proclaiming they speak for gods.
I didn't come up with the language, asswhipe.
Religions are a matter of faith. Faith in the belief in their god(s) and religious authorities, etc.
For that matter gnostic is the word used for people who claim knowledge of a god's existence.
Which is why agnostics don't know if gods exist.
Whatever gods made the universe are currently not discovered by us, so shut the fuck up already
and those gods aren't telling me to give you money so you can shut the fuck up as well.
ATHEIST = people who think they're smarter then everyone else
THEIST = people who think they're more virtuous then everyone else
BOTH = should kill themselves
Youre right and thats that.
I do believe that these gods or whatever care in fact about the world but not in a way we imagine it. I think everybody has different battles and difficult hard choices. I also believe that our lives are so different and so solipsistic, you and I are not even human.
Thats just my solipsistic, subjective belief.
>lets just say were Deists.
no. nothing about God makes sense. There is no evidence suggesting there is a sentient God rather than an eternal universe.
Name a more false dichotomy than Theist/Atheist.
>Name a more false dichotomy than Theist/Atheist.
I don't really see a third option there. What am I missing?
No religious person would state to be a "Theist". It's like saying that you believe in any deity one could imagine.
We all go to hell because some ancient dude ate an apple, and because God can't just forgive is without blood payment, he had his own son sacrificed, and if you mentally believe in this sacrifice then God forgives you.
Such compromises, based on false premises, are doomed to fail. The universe is a perpetual progression of matter and energy that has no beginning nor end. The "debate" is futile unless we understand the true nature of reality.
We can make the most profound scientific discoveries, but unless we comprehend the nature of consciousness and the metaphysical world beyond space and time, we will never comprehend the entirety of existence.