Service to Other/Self views are inverted

Here is the clearest sign that New Age is actually the same old slavery mentality with a new paint job.

Simply realize that THIS world we live in right now IS "service to other". What do people spend all fricking day doing at their "jobs" but "serving others"?
We live in a paradigm where others NEED things from you, and you NEED things from others, thus the need to serve and be served.
THIS is the reality you get from "service to other". And it's more like "slavery to other".

There is no freedom under a paradigm of the Self being bound to Other.
New Age teaches that "service to Self" is evil, but it can only be seen as negative if you start from a reality of LACK. Thus subconsciously making you accept lack.

Furthermore, I don't want others to have to serve me. Think about it: People who want reality to involve others serving them, and others NEEDING to be served by them, are kind of fricked up. It's slave mentality.

Service to Self doesn't just mean my Self, but the Self of others too. In a reality where my Self is totally sovereign and free to serve itSelf, then other Selves are also sovereign and free to serve themSelf.
Then interaction with Other comes from having fun, not from NEED (thus slavery).
The Self view is the maximally free view. There is none more free than it.

Service to Other = Slavery
Service to Self = Freedom

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You make some good points anon

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    No shit anon,
    Rule one is Love God
    Rule two is Love others
    They’ve had it flipped around for years. I dunno if you’ve noticed but that’s kinda their thing. Anyways it matters not because Christ is King.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What’s the point in saving these morons? You should appeal to a specific crowd instead of the masses. Don’t appeal to the sex havers

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I dunno. Maybe I came here to help them.
      I swear, if I get back to the Pleroma and find out the only reason I went to fricking Earth in the first place was to save some people, but I didn't save 1 soul (meaning I came here for nothing)... I'm gonna be pissed.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You sound like every Jesus freak ever. I’ll throw you one; Why the frick would I tell anyone about Jesus and the Bible if it’s gonna send them to Hell? Jesus literally had superpowers and paid for that fricked up persons sin to do bad shit. I am not a sinner

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          No my view is more gnostic, where you're basically already in hell. And Jesus didn't have any powers that you don't also have.
          Like the OP is talking about the truest form of freedom is Self sovereignty. That's what I believe the Pleroma is like. So Jesus can't just snap his fingers and get you out because he has no power over you. Nobody does.
          No amount of evil can force itself upon you, just as no amount of light can be forced upon you.

          >When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty.

          https://i.imgur.com/UkaiAzc.jpg

          >be kind to yourself and others
          >nooo stop oppressing me

          There's nothing wrong with helping people. But there is something wrong with believing that the natural state of their existence is to NEED help from you or anyone else.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >But there is something wrong with believing that the natural state of their existence is to NEED help from you or anyone else.
            A false perspective spawned out of hate.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, you'd have to hate someone to think they can't have what they want without depending on someone else.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            To be clear, that is your false perspective about what service to others people believe. Believing that others live in lack manifests lack and this is obvious, so obvious that all worth noting know it.
            You don't need to invent false perspectives to hate STO people, you could hate them simply because they are working for the very opposite goal on the surficial level.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            If there is no lack then what are you serving others with?
            The very concept of serving someone implies they lack what you're serving them.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are trying to make a logical paradox instead of looking deeper. Sharing love and being good to others doesn't need lack.
            The best teachers refuse to see lack on any level unless a request is made, in that case the person defines his own lack.

            Service to others doesn't mean just serving others, for starters your most loved person should be yourself.

            >Self being bound to Other.
            >I don't want others to have to serve me.
            These are not service to others concepts at all.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Sharing love and being good to others doesn't need lack.
            I never said it did. I'm trying to be very clear here, which is why I keep capitalizing the word NEED.
            This is all about the NEED.

            If you NEED to share love to ascend to a higher plane then your freedom is conditional. Conditional freedom is not freedom.
            Likewise, if those others NEED love from you for some reason then they too have conditional freedom.

            True freedom is absolutely unconditional, and there is no way to have unconditional freedom is you NEED something from others.
            "Service" does not imply that you're just doing it for fun. "Service" implies this is what you MUST do in order to gain something.

            Look, even if we disagree on some level, just understand that my motivation for pointing all this out is to make you see that if a new reality unfolds where you're told you NEED to serve others (or else), you should seriously question that reality, because it's trying to enslave you.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't need to love, I do it because I love it. Until loving is natural it's not a requirement.
            >if those others NEED love from you
            Other people don't need to be involved in any way.

            >True freedom is absolutely unconditional
            Nothing is unconditional like unconditional love, everything else is conditional, like by needing a judgement of sorts.
            >Service" implies this is what you MUST do in order to gain something.
            No.

            You are still playing on the level of language while struggling with emotions.
            I could read where this is coming form but that must be a disgusting story.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Like another anon said I think we're totally misunderstanding each other.

            Despite what that other anon said I'd like to point your attention here

            Just answer this one question:
            If you see a starving child which solution would you prefer?
            1) The child is "served" food by someone else.
            2) The child is made whole, so that he never needs food or ever starves again, and can manifest his own food should he ever want it anyway.

            I think that pretty much sums up my entire view.
            Unless you also think it's an unreasonable question, but I don't see how.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You misunderstand STO

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            shiiett anon, you talking sense.
            if there wasn't any lack... why would spreading Love or good be a necessity?
            Quite the contrary, if there was an abundance of Love and Good already, being "evil" or perhaps taking from others probably aint that much of a deal, considering how how abundant everything is. Doing evil is could even be encouraged as a counter-signal to show just how much abundance there is. shoutout Kill(ss)ing Asuka, hope bro is having fun surfing realities.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus had plenty of powers that we didn’t have. Namely resurrection. I’m gnostic as well and I have read in bible (New Testament still applies silly heretics 😉 that Jesus in the form of the holy ghost bestows gifts of psychic power on those who have the willpower to control them. No man can equal Jesus. He is like Goku when he first learns super saiyen mode. Beating the shit outta Freiza and molesting its gender-neutral corpse.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be kind to yourself and others
    >nooo stop oppressing me

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    i know you mean well, and that you are trying, but IMHO you have the correct terminology, but either have a bad source of info, or misinterpreted it.

    its cool tho, havent seen anyone talk about STO vs STS here. i am a newbie tho, so theres that.

    there is no correct choice. either is equally valid. but the key is, you MUST know yourself, to make the right choice.

    imho, i believe there is no choice. i believe we need to find our true selves, to see what we are. i dont think its a conscious decision. i believe that people who truly have problems with this, dont know themselves, and cause problems, trying to put the square peg, in the circular hole. that is my humble opinion.

    no one has outright said it, but through subtext, a few sources have mentioned that this is an STS world. this planet.

    so, the point is, you choose. STS or STO. then RUN with it. live it. become it. "they" say that you will need 51% STO to graduate, or 95% STS.

    IF you graduate, then you will head to 4th density. this means, you will head to either a 4d negative planetz or 4d positive planet. in the 4th density, they separate, and new lessons will emerge.

    also, look deeper, and read more, about what STS and STO TRULY stand for. what it means. i liked, the Law of One.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      obviously, this is a summarization, and there is A LOT more to it.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      this is one of the theories, about "the event", that everyone is obsessed with. if we miss it, it will be another three rounds of 25,000 years, our time. apparently for MOST of us, this is already our second time around. so if we miss again, we will do it for the third time.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >a few sources have mentioned that this is an STS world
      The point of the OP is that's a clever lie.

      What aspect of this world involves people solely serving themselves?
      Even "selfishness" involves the concept of taking from others. If you're taking the labor of others, then you have in a sense been served by them.
      The entire fricking world wakes up every day and goes to "work" to serve others.

      Even those who enjoy the suffering of others then become dependent upon others. Thus expect to be "served" what they seek from those others.
      There's not 1 aspect of this world that looks like true "service to self" in my book. EVERYTHING about this reality is a binding between you and other. To enslave you to other, and make you either serve them, or them serve you.

      That's why they've inverted this idea of STO and STS to keep you unknowingly trying to manifest the exact same conditions (dependence on others) that led to this world.

      In my book, serving yourself means you can get what you want/need without others being involved at all. Because you're complete unto yourself. Sovereign. You neither need to be served by slaves, nor be a slave to anyone.
      Why wouldn't you want to be in such a reality, surrounded by truly free individuals who lack nothing unto themselves? Why would you prefer that those others _need_ to be served something from you? (like slaves)

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        This. STO can be done completely alone, in some ways total isolation helps on the path.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        i cannot go further. all i can say is, its much much deeper than that. we are not talking about the same thing. you can choose to believe what you want, like me, and i will not distort that. all im saying is, keep digging, and youll find things. dig wherever you want. beware confirmation bias. be able to debate both sides.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Just answer this one question:
          If you see a starving child which solution would you prefer?
          1) The child is "served" food by someone else.
          2) The child is made whole, so that he never needs food or ever starves again, and can manifest his own food should he ever want it anyway.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            trying too hard

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I have absolutely no idea what you mean by that. If anything I'd say my other posts were trying too hard.
            The post you quoted is the best description I've given yet.
            I could have just made the OP about that.

            Why do you think it's trying too hard? Does the question seem unreasonable somehow?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >and the silence was deafening for he was ignored
            Yeah holy shit they are infesting this board. Personal right to manifestation is key. You are on to a similar line of thought as me OP

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            ? you guys are stuck on the word "service" and seem to get your panties in a twist, about "getting what you want".

            in some ways, i guess sure, it could mean actually literally serving someone. but that is not the case, when it comes to STS vs STO.

            also, nowhere does it say, you have to live the life of a beggar. material things are not evil, its moreso, what you do, how you do it, etc. intentions. a lot of it goes back to free will.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >please trust me that I, the supreme /x/-man, has the deepest knowledge available and that you are missing something extremely important. alas I cannot tell you because i am indeed a homosexual.
          cmon bro 4 real?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            if youre actually aware of this stuff, you would know about violating another persons free will. people can choose to believe whatever they want. since we are here for discussion, id like to post my thoughts, from what ive read. but im NOT going to force it on anyone, or interpret it for them. i constantly cite my sources, so im not keeping any secrets. the point is, when it comes to "this stuff", you MUST read it for yourself, and come to your own conclusions. they LITERALLY talk about this. i have enough bad karma, id rather not add to it.

            if you are not aware of this stuff, and are genuinely asking, then sorry that i assumed.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            my bro what the heck are you talking about? Forcing ? We on a text board silly, everyone reading here always. I think u holding the elephants tail right now and trying to tell everyone the whole elephants stinky! Get away from that pooper by brother, he uses the tail to fling shit! Of course it smells that way!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      imho u r a fgt jaja

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        thank you. i wish you all the best as well. good luck on your journey

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why not just structure things to make it fun as frick for other people to serve you? They'd be asking to come back eventually if they left their serving of you because you fulfilled their desires by the nature of how you move towards your own goal.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fun is not 1-size-fits-all. What if someone still doesn't want to serve, regardless of how fun it is.
      Then to that person he would feel like a slave.
      There is no solution outside of the soul, because there's no algorithm that can describe your soul. The soul transcends everything else, and so no system will ever be perfect for the soul... Except the soul itself.

      Reality needs to put the soul as the ground of everything (because that's what it truly is). Any reality that creates the illusion of some other master, other than the soul, is how the illusion of darkness comes in.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look up “New Aeon”

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what is cooperation
    you probably had a very shit childhood
    I feel you

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    And that's why this afternoon I'm not going to work . Frick others I need a day for my self

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The whole schism is an abomination based on false premise. True service to self is service to all and same other way. No masters, no slaves.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's actually what the OP is saying too
      >Service to Self doesn't just mean my Self, but the Self of others too.

      It's the paradigm in which the Self (all Selves) are in Self-alignment. Because if Self is in alignment with anything other than Self (i.e. in alignment with other, through "service to other") then it can become a form of slavery. No matter how good it may seem to our minds, no rule will ever satisfy the soul but the rule of the soul itSelf.

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    When we hurt them
    We didn’t realize

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    To instill dependency in another does resonate as a form of enslavement of will. It is wise to reflect upon this.

    These manner of topics are acutely important to coming to understand the participatory divine query. It is of enough import that I would emphasize that it could be very beneficial to withhold impulse reaction and instead reflect, then question

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    FRICK the limitations that the new age astral critters try to place on me, while you guys are boarding ships I'm going to develop literal supepowers and become a supreme neutral menace, simultaneously enjoying and subverting the prophecied events of this matrix

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