Here is the clearest sign that New Age is actually the same old slavery mentality with a new paint job.
Simply realize that THIS world we live in right now IS "service to other". What do people spend all fucking day doing at their "jobs" but "serving others"?
We live in a paradigm where others NEED things from you, and you NEED things from others, thus the need to serve and be served.
THIS is the reality you get from "service to other". And it's more like "slavery to other".
There is no freedom under a paradigm of the Self being bound to Other.
New Age teaches that "service to Self" is evil, but it can only be seen as negative if you start from a reality of LACK. Thus subconsciously making you accept lack.
Furthermore, I don't want others to have to serve me. Think about it: People who want reality to involve others serving them, and others NEEDING to be served by them, are kind of fucked up. It's slave mentality.
Service to Self doesn't just mean my Self, but the Self of others too. In a reality where my Self is totally sovereign and free to serve itSelf, then other Selves are also sovereign and free to serve themSelf.
Then interaction with Other comes from having fun, not from NEED (thus slavery).
The Self view is the maximally free view. There is none more free than it.
Service to Other = Slavery
Service to Self = Freedom
You make some good points anon
No shit anon,
Rule one is Love God
Rule two is Love others
They’ve had it flipped around for years. I dunno if you’ve noticed but that’s kinda their thing. Anyways it matters not because Christ is King.
What’s the point in saving these retards? You should appeal to a specific crowd instead of the masses. Don’t appeal to the sex havers
I dunno. Maybe I came here to help them.
I swear, if I get back to the Pleroma and find out the only reason I went to fucking Earth in the first place was to save some people, but I didn't save 1 soul (meaning I came here for nothing)... I'm gonna be pissed.
You sound like every Jesus freak ever. I’ll throw you one; Why the fuck would I tell anyone about Jesus and the Bible if it’s gonna send them to Hell? Jesus literally had superpowers and paid for that fucked up persons sin to do bad shit. I am not a sinner
No my view is more gnostic, where you're basically already in hell. And Jesus didn't have any powers that you don't also have.
Like the OP is talking about the truest form of freedom is Self sovereignty. That's what I believe the Pleroma is like. So Jesus can't just snap his fingers and get you out because he has no power over you. Nobody does.
No amount of evil can force itself upon you, just as no amount of light can be forced upon you.
>When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty.
There's nothing wrong with helping people. But there is something wrong with believing that the natural state of their existence is to NEED help from you or anyone else.
>But there is something wrong with believing that the natural state of their existence is to NEED help from you or anyone else.
A false perspective spawned out of hate.
Yeah, you'd have to hate someone to think they can't have what they want without depending on someone else.
To be clear, that is your false perspective about what service to others people believe. Believing that others live in lack manifests lack and this is obvious, so obvious that all worth noting know it.
You don't need to invent false perspectives to hate STO people, you could hate them simply because they are working for the very opposite goal on the surficial level.
If there is no lack then what are you serving others with?
The very concept of serving someone implies they lack what you're serving them.
You are trying to make a logical paradox instead of looking deeper. Sharing love and being good to others doesn't need lack.
The best teachers refuse to see lack on any level unless a request is made, in that case the person defines his own lack.
Service to others doesn't mean just serving others, for starters your most loved person should be yourself.
>Self being bound to Other.
>I don't want others to have to serve me.
These are not service to others concepts at all.
>Sharing love and being good to others doesn't need lack.
I never said it did. I'm trying to be very clear here, which is why I keep capitalizing the word NEED.
This is all about the NEED.
If you NEED to share love to ascend to a higher plane then your freedom is conditional. Conditional freedom is not freedom.
Likewise, if those others NEED love from you for some reason then they too have conditional freedom.
True freedom is absolutely unconditional, and there is no way to have unconditional freedom is you NEED something from others.
"Service" does not imply that you're just doing it for fun. "Service" implies this is what you MUST do in order to gain something.
Look, even if we disagree on some level, just understand that my motivation for pointing all this out is to make you see that if a new reality unfolds where you're told you NEED to serve others (or else), you should seriously question that reality, because it's trying to enslave you.
I don't need to love, I do it because I love it. Until loving is natural it's not a requirement.
>if those others NEED love from you
Other people don't need to be involved in any way.
>True freedom is absolutely unconditional
Nothing is unconditional like unconditional love, everything else is conditional, like by needing a judgement of sorts.
>Service" implies this is what you MUST do in order to gain something.
You are still playing on the level of language while struggling with emotions.
I could read where this is coming form but that must be a disgusting story.
Like another anon said I think we're totally misunderstanding each other.
Despite what that other anon said I'd like to point your attention here
I think that pretty much sums up my entire view.
Unless you also think it's an unreasonable question, but I don't see how.
You misunderstand STO
shiiett anon, you talking sense.
if there wasn't any lack... why would spreading Love or good be a necessity?
Quite the contrary, if there was an abundance of Love and Good already, being "evil" or perhaps taking from others probably aint that much of a deal, considering how how abundant everything is. Doing evil is could even be encouraged as a counter-signal to show just how much abundance there is. shoutout Kill(ss)ing Asuka, hope bro is having fun surfing realities.
Jesus had plenty of powers that we didn’t have. Namely resurrection. I’m gnostic as well and I have read in bible (New Testament still applies silly heretics 😉 that Jesus in the form of the holy ghost bestows gifts of psychic power on those who have the willpower to control them. No man can equal Jesus. He is like Goku when he first learns super saiyen mode. Beating the shit outta Freiza and molesting its gender-neutral corpse.
>be kind to yourself and others
>nooo stop oppressing me
i know you mean well, and that you are trying, but IMHO you have the correct terminology, but either have a bad source of info, or misinterpreted it.
its cool tho, havent seen anyone talk about STO vs STS here. i am a newfag tho, so theres that.
there is no correct choice. either is equally valid. but the key is, you MUST know yourself, to make the right choice.
imho, i believe there is no choice. i believe we need to find our true selves, to see what we are. i dont think its a conscious decision. i believe that people who truly have problems with this, dont know themselves, and cause problems, trying to put the square peg, in the circular hole. that is my humble opinion.
no one has outright said it, but through subtext, a few sources have mentioned that this is an STS world. this planet.
so, the point is, you choose. STS or STO. then RUN with it. live it. become it. "they" say that you will need 51% STO to graduate, or 95% STS.
IF you graduate, then you will head to 4th density. this means, you will head to either a 4d negative planetz or 4d positive planet. in the 4th density, they separate, and new lessons will emerge.
also, look deeper, and read more, about what STS and STO TRULY stand for. what it means. i liked, the Law of One.
obviously, this is a summarization, and there is A LOT more to it.
this is one of the theories, about "the event", that everyone is obsessed with. if we miss it, it will be another three rounds of 25,000 years, our time. apparently for MOST of us, this is already our second time around. so if we miss again, we will do it for the third time.
>a few sources have mentioned that this is an STS world
The point of the OP is that's a clever lie.
What aspect of this world involves people solely serving themselves?
Even "selfishness" involves the concept of taking from others. If you're taking the labor of others, then you have in a sense been served by them.
The entire fucking world wakes up every day and goes to "work" to serve others.
Even those who enjoy the suffering of others then become dependent upon others. Thus expect to be "served" what they seek from those others.
There's not 1 aspect of this world that looks like true "service to self" in my book. EVERYTHING about this reality is a binding between you and other. To enslave you to other, and make you either serve them, or them serve you.
That's why they've inverted this idea of STO and STS to keep you unknowingly trying to manifest the exact same conditions (dependence on others) that led to this world.
In my book, serving yourself means you can get what you want/need without others being involved at all. Because you're complete unto yourself. Sovereign. You neither need to be served by slaves, nor be a slave to anyone.
Why wouldn't you want to be in such a reality, surrounded by truly free individuals who lack nothing unto themselves? Why would you prefer that those others _need_ to be served something from you? (like slaves)
This. STO can be done completely alone, in some ways total isolation helps on the path.
i cannot go further. all i can say is, its much much deeper than that. we are not talking about the same thing. you can choose to believe what you want, like me, and i will not distort that. all im saying is, keep digging, and youll find things. dig wherever you want. beware confirmation bias. be able to debate both sides.
Just answer this one question:
If you see a starving child which solution would you prefer?
1) The child is "served" food by someone else.
2) The child is made whole, so that he never needs food or ever starves again, and can manifest his own food should he ever want it anyway.
trying too hard
I have absolutely no idea what you mean by that. If anything I'd say my other posts were trying too hard.
The post you quoted is the best description I've given yet.
I could have just made the OP about that.
Why do you think it's trying too hard? Does the question seem unreasonable somehow?
>and the silence was deafening for he was ignored
Yeah holy shit they are infesting this board. Personal right to manifestation is key. You are on to a similar line of thought as me OP
? you guys are stuck on the word "service" and seem to get your panties in a twist, about "getting what you want".
in some ways, i guess sure, it could mean actually literally serving someone. but that is not the case, when it comes to STS vs STO.
also, nowhere does it say, you have to live the life of a beggar. material things are not evil, its moreso, what you do, how you do it, etc. intentions. a lot of it goes back to free will.
>please trust me that I, the supreme /x/-man, has the deepest knowledge available and that you are missing something extremely important. alas I cannot tell you because i am indeed a homosexual.
cmon bro 4 real?
if youre actually aware of this stuff, you would know about violating another persons free will. people can choose to believe whatever they want. since we are here for discussion, id like to post my thoughts, from what ive read. but im NOT going to force it on anyone, or interpret it for them. i constantly cite my sources, so im not keeping any secrets. the point is, when it comes to "this stuff", you MUST read it for yourself, and come to your own conclusions. they LITERALLY talk about this. i have enough bad karma, id rather not add to it.
if you are not aware of this stuff, and are genuinely asking, then sorry that i assumed.
my bro what the heck are you talking about? Forcing ? We on a text board silly, everyone reading here always. I think u holding the elephants tail right now and trying to tell everyone the whole elephants stinky! Get away from that pooper by brother, he uses the tail to fling shit! Of course it smells that way!
imho u r a fgt jaja
thank you. i wish you all the best as well. good luck on your journey
Why not just structure things to make it fun as fuck for other people to serve you? They'd be asking to come back eventually if they left their serving of you because you fulfilled their desires by the nature of how you move towards your own goal.
Fun is not 1-size-fits-all. What if someone still doesn't want to serve, regardless of how fun it is.
Then to that person he would feel like a slave.
There is no solution outside of the soul, because there's no algorithm that can describe your soul. The soul transcends everything else, and so no system will ever be perfect for the soul... Except the soul itself.
Reality needs to put the soul as the ground of everything (because that's what it truly is). Any reality that creates the illusion of some other master, other than the soul, is how the illusion of darkness comes in.
Look up “New Aeon”
>what is cooperation
you probably had a very shit childhood
I feel you
And that's why this afternoon I'm not going to work . Fuck others I need a day for my self
The whole schism is an abomination based on false premise. True service to self is service to all and same other way. No masters, no slaves.
That's actually what the OP is saying too
>Service to Self doesn't just mean my Self, but the Self of others too.
It's the paradigm in which the Self (all Selves) are in Self-alignment. Because if Self is in alignment with anything other than Self (i.e. in alignment with other, through "service to other") then it can become a form of slavery. No matter how good it may seem to our minds, no rule will ever satisfy the soul but the rule of the soul itSelf.
When we hurt them
We didn’t realize
To instill dependency in another does resonate as a form of enslavement of will. It is wise to reflect upon this.
These manner of topics are acutely important to coming to understand the participatory divine query. It is of enough import that I would emphasize that it could be very beneficial to withhold impulse reaction and instead reflect, then question
FUCK the limitations that the new age astral critters try to place on me, while you guys are boarding ships I'm going to develop literal supepowers and become a supreme neutral menace, simultaneously enjoying and subverting the prophecied events of this matrix