Semi-final redpill

>monotheism is just monism
>the objective Truth exists and can be ascertained, you need just 1 word: monism
>you are One
>you are the One

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    stupid. and if it were true you'd call it the final redpill not the semi-final redpill.

    Now read Ramanuja before I shank at ya. Even he understood Monism was a simpleton Pajeet reductionism mindset. Japanese Buddhists were always right when they made fun of ideologically monist-radical pajeets.

    • 2 weeks ago
      One

      >and if it were true you'd call it the final redpill not the semi-final redpill.
      it's the semi-final redpill because this is just the beginning of the realization of Truth (hence the Matrix reference), and not the end
      good luck. and you are in luck.

      you're lucky to share the same Universe, space and time as I.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      final red-pill: this is best explicated by Shankara (pbuh)

      Ramanuja *is* a monist, and a quite simplistic one at that

      >Japanese Buddhists were always right when they made fun of ideologically monist-radical pajeets.
      source? Ive never heard of any commentary by Japanese Buddhists on Hindu philosophy, aside from just regular Jap Indologist scholars who study it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ramanuja *is* a monist, and a quite simplistic one at that
        qualified monism. You can't really call that simplistic anymore. that's a lot closer to reality than just monism. It's the logical next step for a Monist fag. The next step from qualified monism is panentheism.

        >source? Ive never heard of any commentary by Japanese Buddhists on Hindu philosophy, aside from just regular Jap Indologist scholars who study it
        They don't write commentaries on Hindu philosophy afaik. They dunk on it casually in informal settings because they are chads. Read the lecture transcript of this chad trying to impose his will to power on the weak anti-intellectual American mind:
        https://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/zfa/zfa04.htm

        or listen to it on youtube if you are scared of the link:

        Learn as much as you can and be grateful for my presence on this board.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          #
          >qualified monism. You can't really call that simplistic anymore
          I personally see it as simplistic because there is no transcendence as found in Platonism, Classical Theism, Advaita etc but rather Vishnu’s godhead is located *inside* the universe, its located in Vaikuntha, which is a physical place in the cosmos. It’s like imagining some omnipotent guy on Saturn controlling the whole universe with his mind. Furthermore there is not even any creation or subtle scheme of emanationism or maya but everything in the universe are just parts of Vishnu’s eternal and beginningless body and “creation” just means rearranging these eternal uncreated body-parts into their present configuration. Leibniz for example would reject all of this out of hand because of the PSR.

          >that's a lot closer to reality than just monism.
          What do you think reality is? Classical Theism? Shankara is closer to that than Ramanuja is

          >They don't write commentaries on Hindu philosophy afaik. They dunk on it casually in informal settings
          The two conceptions of God which he mentions and rejects/criticizes in that link are theistic personalism and the idea of God as “the sum total of all individual existences”; neither of these two conceptions of God have anything to do with Advaita/Shankara, although the former can be considered similar to other Vedanta schools like Vishishtadvaita and Dvaita. The Dharmakaya of Buddhism which they talk about there is actually pretty similar to Advaita’s Brahman, but unlike Buddhists Advaitins don’t have to endlessly twist themselves into pretzels trying to say it’s a spiritual Absolute but at the same time undermining this by saying its empty and is just a figurative expression for grasping basic bitch relativist anti-foundationalism; they can openly and happily be spiritual Absolutists

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >there is no transcendence in Ramanuja's philosophy
            that's just absurd and I'm not even going to engage further on this subject.

            >What do you think reality is?
            Classical Theism? No,
            Vishistadvaita and Panentheism are closer. I see them as evolutionary products in a spiritual dialetic. But even they will be outdated in the next dialectic progression of spiritual thought.
            When you have constructed so many in intellectual models describing reality, inching closer to the truth with each dialectic progression you should eventually just get it. Intellectual models fundamentally limited by our mind, our materialistically limited conceptions of logic and language, or limitations imposed by thought and dualistic reason itself. They will always be approximations of reality.
            Reality will always be what it is. Something different only poetry can truely get at. Nevertheless the grand theories are a useful tool for pointing a finger at the moon.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >that's just absurd and I'm not even going to engage further on this subject.
              It might seem absurd if you deliberately ignored that this statement was immediately qualified with “no transcendence… AS FOUND IN Platonism, Classical Theism, Advaita etc”. My statement was not saying there is no transcendence whatsoever in Vishishtadvaita, but that it has little to do with how transcendence is understood in most western theological and philosophical thought, and little to do with transcendence in other eastern schools either; it’s a very peculiar, idiosyncratic, relative conception of transcendence.

              I suspect the real reason you won’t engage is because you’ve probably never even read Ramanuja at length and you probably are unable to elaborate on what role transcendence plays in Ramanuja’s monistic metaphysics

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Absolut monists will reject materiality as they see it before they eyes. It is the logical conclusion of absolut monism to see materiality as illusion. It is true there is materiality both dualistic and ultimately one beyond our perceptions of the world but what we perceive of the world is also reality and not material illusion or delusion, or maya, or ignorance.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but what we perceive of the world is also reality and not material illusion or delusion, or maya, or ignorance.
                Proof?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >By denying multiplicity you put yourself in an annihilist position
                how? there is only energy.

                ultimately

                retarded philosophy for useless social parasites

                is right. he's just being mean about it. Language, intellectual thought, and philosophy is only useful, holy and truthful if it is employed as a skillful mean for a higher purpose, capable of reflecting on its own imperfections and limitations. absolut monists, and pantheists will seethe that their intellectualism is not an end in itself because they lacking in something else.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >absolut monists, and pantheists will seethe that their intellectualism is not an end in itself because they lacking in something else.
                Which is?

                >b-b-but they don't go beyond intellectualizing to non-discursive awareness of true rea-
                Except that they do and their texts contain pretty extensive instructions, recommendations, practices etc related to this and also explain how its consistent with the rest of their teachings; only blind partisanship or idiocy would make someone think otherwise

      • 2 weeks ago
        One

        >final red-pill: this is best explicated by Shankara (pbuh)
        yes. glad there are still some Initiated here.

        another semi-final redpill: Eastern philosophy is superior to Western in some aspects, Western philosophy is superior to Eastern in other aspects

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Eastern philosophy is superior to Western in some aspects, Western philosophy is superior to Eastern in other aspects
          in other words, the sky is blue
          you sound like you are 12 years old

          • 2 weeks ago
            One

            >you sound like you are 12 years old
            I did say the Dasein is born monist and has a Truer idea about the world at 3 than it does at 15.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Oneness without dualism is oneness wrongly conceived. Dualism without oneness is dualism wrongly conceived.

    This shatters the monists and dualists language-limited intellectualism.

    • 2 weeks ago
      One

      without dualism is oneness wrongly conceived.
      all people, with their abstract thinking modules (what others call the soul/the Self/Being or the Dasein) are born monistic and develop dualism as a delusion. monism later in life can only be "oneness with dualism," true monism rejects dualism wholly, this is possible and saying otherwise is just dualist hylic cope

      my project is titled:
      >The Analogy Delusion: how the Capital destroys the individual
      it will retro- and post-factum refute everything that isnt with Truth

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        By denying multiplicity you put yourself in an annihilist position, i.e. material reality is an illusion, delusion. By denying sameness of reality you become a hylic.

        Intellectually, the coexistence of the two mutually excluding thoughts is impossible, but everyone who has caught a glimpse of the eternal knows that it is so. God not in the world is a false God, and the world not in God or outside of God (world/materiality/multiplicity as delusion) is unreality.

        Rain and hail and ice and snow,
        Neither like the other. So!
        When they melt, however, lo,
        See one stream of water flow!

        • 2 weeks ago
          One

          >By denying multiplicity you put yourself in an annihilist position
          how? there is only energy.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >>By denying multiplicity you put yourself in an annihilist position
            >how? there is only energy.
            You are a hylic materialist pantheist (modern pantheism is a meme by spinoza(tm)). What I'm saying doesnt even apply to you. Read this thread:
            A possible spiritual dialectic progression on hylic/scientific/empiric materialism is what we used to understand as regular philosophical materialism (before scientific empiric fedora tipping became a thing) as outlined by this well read poster:
            https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S19431541#p19432183

            • 2 weeks ago
              One

              panentheism is refuted by the heat death of the universe and the irrecursiveness of the universe thusly. pantheism is the only way

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I didn't quite understand your take, but I am interested to see some philosophical critics on monism, can you recommend me some books?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    retarded philosophy for useless social parasites

    • 2 weeks ago
      One

      >retarded philosophy for useless social parasites
      partly true. thankfully Pneumatism (and some interpretations of Buddhism/Hinduism/other eastern religions) solves this

  4. 2 weeks ago
    One

    another redpill:

    panentheism is refuted by the heat death of the Universe and its irrecursiveness. pantheism is the final redpill

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have discovered something greater than One

    • 2 weeks ago
      One

      you have not discovered comedy, though

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fuck you, 2 is gay.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have discovered something greater than One

        https://i.imgur.com/7Qc3HBY.jpg

        >monotheism is just monism
        >the objective Truth exists and can be ascertained, you need just 1 word: monism
        >you are One
        >you are the One

        get on my level.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How does this help against cultural corruption and the death of Europeans?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      LULZ is about literary arts, i.e. individual enlightenment, and collective pessimism

      /misc/ is the irrational board you're looking for, there you can pretend like Hitler wasnt set up from the very beginning to lose. There is no hope on a broad collective or social level.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it doesn't, OP is pro israel, he is a freemason larping, this is his shot at transcendence.

      • 2 weeks ago
        One

        >OP is pro israel
        I am either for closed borders for Israel AND Europe, or for open borders for Israel AND Europe.

        I am not for open borders for Europe and closed borders for Israel

        How does this help against cultural corruption and the death of Europeans?

        I explain in another thread of mine that's still in the catalog. The Analogy Delusion

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >monotheism is just monism
    Wrong: you can be monotheistic and not a monist ---cfr zoroastrianism

    >the objective Truth exists and can be ascertained, you need just 1 word: monism
    Wrong: the objective is ideal, not transcendental

    >you are One
    Idk

    >you are the One
    Wrong: you are part of the One, continuous with other parts of the One, but not the One.

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