>German desk lathe >USA rescraped colchester lathe >japanese milling machine >usa made cutters >korean phone >chinese hand drill that broke 3rd time i used it
Nothing complex, high tech, or high quality I own is made in china
The cheap shit is being outsourced to india and similar nations now. China has 21% youth unemployment. Unemployment so high they stopped releasing stats. That's not winning.
I've never ever seen a made in US tag. Many europeans can concurr I think.
It's half euro countries, half China with the occasional jeans from Turkey or Bangladesh.
>my simplistic univariate analysis tells me everything i need to know
they're gaining terrain in high-tech manufacturing at an amazing rate >That's not winning
go read up some Peter Turchin. standards of living among the plebs in the west have been declining for almost two decades now, first time ever. pragmatic elites have been preparing while the rest kept fucking over the plebs, digging their grave deeper. you can also read this article from a pro-western source to get an idea. high tech research in the west is a fucking joke. everyone marvels at the endless amounts of money the chinks throw at research. everyone in academia knows, at least. huawei is even attracting talent and doing good research south of the fucking border. that's why some of the neocons are arguing for an outright war in here.
you can check this opinion piece from this pro-western outlet to get an inkling of an idea how fucked everything really is, at least for this continent.
>falling down
i've only seen bits and pieces here and there while flipping channels, back when i had a tv. don't know if i should give it a watch, though. seems like the last thing i should expose myself these days is even more bitterness. >inb4 why the fuck are you here then
its as decent a pulse on the current sentiment as i can get. or maybe i'm just bored and i should accept i'm here forever.
He was just a low level drone in a formerly secure working class job that was gone. NAFTA put the nail in that coffin too and the 1990s was when outsourcing to China ramped up massively.
>Especially since China owns a number of the core 5G patents.
why do cuck americans recognize china's patents when china doesn't give a fuck about theirs'?
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The US has way more to lose if nobody gives a shit about all patents in all fields whatsoever
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That's a situation like a cuck not trying to divorce his wife because his wife would take the house and the kids.
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whatever analogy you want to use man, but for now its in the US's interest to still play the pattern game, until it isnt of course.
they done it without the ASML euv tech which they cannot get, so it means that they have developed either new techniques or new tech. sanctions have back fired for the west.
https://www.edn.com/the-truth-about-smics-7-nm-chip-fabrication-ordeal/#:~:text=And%20a%207%2Dnm%20node,fabricate%20a%207%2Dnm%20chip.
It sold out immediately upon release, dummy. Maybe they dont put it on American huawei site because it has satellite tech also and dont want nigs hurting their branding.
Legit can someone explain to me why we as a society agree with the current course the west has gone on towards China? I mean it blows my mind that we are actively trying to technologically retard another nation. Like it's completely antagonistic and will do nothing but harbour bad feelings to a nation of like 1.5 billion people who now see the west as an archaic bully who is trying to maintain their status as global suzerain by any means possible (and make us look like complete morons when we fail). What possible benefit could this course have had, even assuming it worked perfectly, which it obviously hasn't.
>an absolute disctatorship is trying to beat every single surrounding country into submition (its not just taiwan - disputes over sea and land borders with every single neighbour, routinely violating fishing zones all over the globe) >systematic gaslighting through violations of international trade and intelectusl property laws >deceitful takeover of african rare metal extraction mines
Trying to uphold international law and peace is now "archaic bullying". What the fuck is wrong with you
The whole reason people attacked China (I mean normies) it's because of bullshit muh human rights arguments, despite the soft control technics in the west being just as nefarious for the common man.
If human rights was the true issue we should boycott Kazakhstan, India, all of Africa etc.
In reality it all comes down to mutts feeling threatened.
China has shown nothing bad until now. They might, but they haven't acted in an erratic aggressive manner like the US have until now.
Even the Ouïghour bullshit was overblown. These faggs were beheading people in the metros that Han built in their shithole. Instead of killing them the Han showed Han-style magnanimity and offered to school them to make them normal instead of retarded muslims.
If we did this in Algeria we would have dodged 1 or 10 bullets.
Meanwhile the US was raping muslims with brooms in black op sites but it's ok.
I honestly don't understand the animosity towards China. They seem like they're one of the few non whites capable of developing a high culture and talk eye to eye with us. A society ruled by fairness and ambition would support such people and supress caveman retards in Africa, India or the middle east instead.
I mean, if we don't take the best out of humanity we're never colonizing deep space.
So far only europeans and east asians, and possibly persians, have shown signs of high brain functions.
>despite the soft control technics in the west being just as nefarious for the common man.
Not even close, yeah, the soft control sucks but China has some pretty stern control with social credit, reeducation, etc. Is Xi the one where you can't throw out a newspaper with his face on it?
Theyre cheap and we built in kill switches to their economy. End of the day the US is king and insulated itself against others collapsing by having a lot of diversity in its economy
We did the same to japan. People were complaining the same way about Japan too back in the 80s. Then the kill switches took effect and their economy and society have stagnated
The US plans this shit out long in advance. We know this game and we're better at playing it
>Then the kill switches took effect and their economy and society have stagnated
Dumb Mutts think that China hasn't analysed how the US undermined Japanese economic development.
Beijing knows all about how Japanese insiders and sell-outs enacted central banking policies which caused a massive financial bubble which then imploded leaving Japan with a high interest rate debt overhang that it still hasn't recovered from.
Japan really is a nation of colonized cucks. They just commemorated the anniversary of Hiroshima getting nuked and never officially once mentioned that it was the USA which did it. It's like the city accidentally just happened to nuke itself.
its unlikely to be even made in china. All those stories of Huawei buying unfinished chips from TSMC before the sanctions, and chip smuggling from overseas shell companies.
SMIC unadvertised bitcoin miner and Huawei's unadvertised phone, with unknown SOC producer.
Is that a new take on the ol Iraqis using Playstations for missile guidance from 2000? Good to see what's old becomes new again.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-intelligence-dismisses-ps2-missile-fears/
Intel ARC failed. Intel lost the mobile market to Arm. Intel losing server market to Ampere. Intel foundry services flopping. Intel wasnt profitable last two quarters. Ryzen has destroyed them. EPYC outperforms Intel. Itanium was a flop. Couldn't even get 64bit right. Go spread your propaganda elsewhere CIA.
>Intel poured so much money into R&D they had a couple quarters in the red
stream processors are the past
multicore TPUs with concurrent memory access over light bus are the future
iPhone silicon >Customized ARM architecture >Fabbed by TSMC in Taiwan. >Phone assembled in China or India.
Apple is merely a marketing company at this point.
> Indian PMs selling secrets > israeli PMs selling secrets > Technology transfer programs to "allies"
How could this happen??? At least we still use the ol' reliable credit checks to determine people's characters. Really leading by example KEK
>Chip sanctions on China
How the fuck was that supposed to work when all our chips that don't come from Taiwan probably came from China. Also Russia and China are two of the most resource rich countries on the planet. Between the two of them they probably could figure it out lol
>it's not using Google Play Services,
im guessing its phone only meant for the domestic market? without google play i cant see how they could sell overseas
>im guessing its phone only meant for the domestic market? without google play i cant see how they could sell overseas
it doesnt have google play. you dont need it though. i have a huawei with no google here in the uk and i can still download and update all google apps.
QCOM/AVGO/QRVO has long dominated 5G modem & RF. Even APPL can't do it internally
In M60, Huawei has fully domestic built-in 5G modem + RF that uploads/downloads as fast as X70
+ combined that w/ satcom chipset
Chinese OEMs sell 700m phones/yr?
$30/phone -> $21B for just 5G RFFE
Chinese supply chain had maybe 10% market share in 2021
If this rises to 25% in 2024
40% in 2025
$6B less for foreign RF products
QCOM modem comes w/ Soc, but
Let's say Xiaomi develops own modemless SoC (because 5G modem is hard!) + use HW 5G modem -> QCOM lose $180/phone
None of this happens overnight, but future of QCOM looks bleak
Same with AVGO/QRVO/Murata if Chinese OEMs buy domestic RF filters & power amplifier modules.
Beyond that, China can fully sanction Ga export with no feared consequences.
But of course, MSM only wants to talk about a 7nm chip
>Seems like China is winning. >How can Amerimutts cope with this?
China isn't "winning" it's just not losing. Sanctions are an annoyance but they cannot work forever. The Americans sanctioned cryogenic rocket engine technology for our space programme. It was a setback but we're beyond that and, arguably, stronger and certainly more confident.
>Mao offered the US, 10 million Chinese women >the US rejected them
What a missed opportunity. Chink women over 25 are considered expired goods in China now.
I still use a Huawei phone today, its getting a bit old but is still as fast as any mid range phone on the market and its camera is still flagship grade.
>I still use a Huawei phone today, its getting a bit old but is still as fast as any mid range phone on the market and its camera is still flagship grade.
i use a P40 Pro Plus i bought in 2020 still. got a cheapo nano memory card on amazon for £60 so i have a total of 756 gb memory on it. no google but i get all my apps from the Aurora Store. great phone.
According to the big cycle. China is in collapse instead of overtaking the US. You guys are already privateering wealth over 500k. Like a whole division of Intel monitoring every single transaction and watch list type of shit.
Already confirmed bullshit. Huawei stockpiles a bunch of Kirin 9000s back in 2020, they are just using them in these phones. People have already confirmed using batch numbers these chips were just made in Taiwan.
People who have gotten their hands on the chips have confirmed they were made by TSMC in Taiwan.
Every chip made by TSMC has a small QR code embedded in it. Removing it without damaging the chip is almost impossible. The chips tested have this QR code which confirmed it was made by TSMC.
It's not the first time a Chinese company has rebranded a bunch of chips they imported, and it wont be the last.
>It's a QR code but the technical name is a 2D matrix. Every manufactured chip has one that is used to store the chips ATPO.
i said show us a picture of one
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>Confirms nothing at all. Show us the scan of the inbuilt QR code the chip has
show us a picture of this code on a chip
Here is a picture of one. Had to magnify it because these things are less than 1mm in size. Normal cameras wont even pick them up as anything more than a tiny speck.
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>Here is a picture of one. Had to magnify it because these things are less than 1mm in size. Normal cameras wont even pick them up as anything more than a tiny speck.
lol what the fuck is this supposed to be? fuck off now.
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It is a picture of what you asked for nagger. You don't understand what it is but it's what you wanted to see retard.
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>It is a picture of what you asked for nagger.
its a picture of nothing because you are lying. there should be numerous pictures of what you claim exists online.
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Nigga stop being fucking retarded.
Here is another picture with several of them. Can you see them? No, because they are fucking tiny. If you don't use a camera with high zoom and focus on them, then you can't fucking see them.
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>Nigga stop being fucking retarded. >Here is another picture with several of them. Can you see them? No, because they are fucking tiny.
so anyone who wanted to show them would zoom in with a microscope wouldnt they you fucking retard. if they actually existed.
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Anonymous
So you fucking google for microscopic pictures then chang. I aint doing this shit for you. Oh wait, google is banned in China.
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>So you fucking google for microscopic pictures then chang. I aint doing this shit for you
proof that you are lying. you make a claim, you bring the evidence. now as i told you, fuck off.
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>Taiwan is still a free country >India and Russia still holds territory you chinks claim >Birthrate is down the toilet >Realestate sector is collapsing >Third round of Covid for chang >Factories going out of business >Record levels of youth unemployment
Kek want more slanty eyed chinksect?
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>Here is a picture of one. Had to magnify it because these things are less than 1mm in size.
Hey you fucking moron, tell me what process equipment was used to pattern that entire symbol to under 1nm in size when the finest lithography today generates features around 5nm?
BTW did I tell you you're a fucking moron. Just stop treating the rest of us like we are too.
What use is all that shit if there's no one to buy them?
The consoomer based economy with infinite money printing and pumping them into mindless consumerist NPC drones who use them to suck in all the useless shit produced by uncle Chen is only set to run with America as the motherbase of consoomer drones and now they A) got into a beef with it they they ain't gonna import their shit even if they can produce it and B) the consoomer drones are failing from too much excitements in their life, like naggers, refugees, jabs, lockdowns, inflation, transgender rights, feminism, fiery but mostly peaceful BLM riots and their presidents getting mugshots with their supporters sent to jail for 20 years. If this continues they may lose their function completely and won't purchase new Chinaphones every year, even if available.
China is such a weird fucking situation.
White people are basically hyper advanced aliens that came and enslaved them. They got some advanced technology and have been reverse engineering it to free their race from an oppressive aliens species controlled by wizard parasites.
China is the Tau. Africa is orcs. israelites are eldari. Europe is Man. US is a renegade merchant guild turned into an Empire.
>eldar
a merchant empire means an unfettered water empire, with no beliefs or values beyond individualistic freedom. that's why i think present-day america and its vassals by extension are pretty much dark eldars, piracy empire and all. it's just that the fall is so slow most people will only realize decades after it happened. >europe is man
not really sure there's a nation like it. there are a bunch of third position factions scattered everywhere, like the pan-arabists, or the populists of europe that might be them, but they're not really regimes yet. China's two other allies might fight the bill. Iran, especially. >China is the Tau
works well enough. >Africa is orcs
on the mark. maybe add the rest of the third world as well.
maybe i should start using your analogies to explainfag. thanks for the idea, anon, i'm gonna steal it.
By installing gentoo.
>he doesnt use HanYou
Ngmi.
>Seems like
Flip over anything you own and see who made it.
China won a long time ago.
>German desk lathe
>USA rescraped colchester lathe
>japanese milling machine
>usa made cutters
>korean phone
>chinese hand drill that broke 3rd time i used it
>buy cheap drill, 3 times
>"wow this keeps breaking, let's buy more!"
Please go easy on him, his school was in a Walmart.
>german reading comprehension
Get a brain Moran
Nothing complex, high tech, or high quality I own is made in china
The cheap shit is being outsourced to india and similar nations now. China has 21% youth unemployment. Unemployment so high they stopped releasing stats. That's not winning.
I've never ever seen a made in US tag. Many europeans can concurr I think.
It's half euro countries, half China with the occasional jeans from Turkey or Bangladesh.
>Nothing complex, high tech, or high quality I own is made in china
What you don't own an iPhone or Lenovo Thinkpad? How about the battery in your EV?
>The cheap shit is being outsourced to india
Right, my household is full of items made in India like...
>Right, my household is full of items made in India like...
mine too, all i see is made in USA or made in India.
>my simplistic univariate analysis tells me everything i need to know
they're gaining terrain in high-tech manufacturing at an amazing rate
>That's not winning
go read up some Peter Turchin. standards of living among the plebs in the west have been declining for almost two decades now, first time ever. pragmatic elites have been preparing while the rest kept fucking over the plebs, digging their grave deeper. you can also read this article from a pro-western source to get an idea. high tech research in the west is a fucking joke. everyone marvels at the endless amounts of money the chinks throw at research. everyone in academia knows, at least. huawei is even attracting talent and doing good research south of the fucking border. that's why some of the neocons are arguing for an outright war in here.
you can check this opinion piece from this pro-western outlet to get an inkling of an idea how fucked everything really is, at least for this continent.
fuck i'm gonna get some sleep
forgot link
https://www.palladiummag.com/2019/10/11/the-american-dream-is-alive-in-china/
>go read up some Peter Turchin. standards of living among the plebs in the west have been declining for almost two decades now
For the median working class living standards have been declining for more than three decades
Check out the old 90's Michael Douglas film Falling Down. Workers were already getting shafted then and they knew it.
>falling down
i've only seen bits and pieces here and there while flipping channels, back when i had a tv. don't know if i should give it a watch, though. seems like the last thing i should expose myself these days is even more bitterness.
>inb4 why the fuck are you here then
its as decent a pulse on the current sentiment as i can get. or maybe i'm just bored and i should accept i'm here forever.
Michael Douglas’s character was a defense contractor MIC leach bitter that the end of the Cold War made him irrelevant.
He was just a low level drone in a formerly secure working class job that was gone. NAFTA put the nail in that coffin too and the 1990s was when outsourcing to China ramped up massively.
>we have better iShit than you
If China really wants to win, they need to stop trying to be the USA.
They aren’t trying to be the US but trying to replace the U.S.
And how will that work when the underlying philosophy is not the same?
Countries that get in bed with china are learning the hard way it's not a good bet financially long term like the US is.
>Countries that get in bed with china are learning the hard way it's not a good bet financially long term like the US is.
This is a fucking laugh
Ask Mexico, Argentina or Brazil how good a "bet" financially being stuck in the US controlled dollar system is.
Even US allies Saudi Arabia and UAE want out.
7nm isn’t something special but you can call it a progress. Either way I knew that China would find a way to get it.
It is something special if you create it from zero.
Everyone in America high circle is shocked.
If this chip is real and effective it's the end of Westworld and I don't joke.
>If this chip is real and effective it's the end of Westworld and I don't joke.
it is very effective in 5g speed. much faster than iphone.
That is false too chang. It has been benchmarked and it performs at like 50-60% of the speed of an iphone from 2020.
>That is false too chang. It has been benchmarked and it performs at like 50-60% of the speed of an iphone from 2020.
nope, in Hong Kong the download speed outdoors was more than twice that of the iphone 14.
The fuck does a chip have to do with download speeds retard?
>If we detect you're using a non-Chinese phone, we cut your connection speed down by 90%
>This surely shows our technology is better
Nigga, download speeds IN CHINA aren't accurate at all. They can be throttled and manipulated at many stages.
I provided evidence. You're simply too retarded to understand it.
>The fuck does a chip have to do with download speeds retard?
sigh. the 5g modem is part of the chip you spastic.
>Nigga, download speeds IN CHINA aren't accurate at all.
Hong Kong is China now? i thought you pretended it wasnt.
Hong Kong is ruled by the CCP. It's part of China.
>Hong Kong is ruled by the CCP. It's part of China.
Thank you for the admission.
I do not remember saying otherwise. Show me where I did.
>I do not remember saying otherwise. Show me where I did.
How about Taiwan? Part of China or not?
Stop changing the subject. Show me where I said anything about Hong Kong not being part of China.
>If we detect you're using a non-Chinese phone, we cut your connection speed down by 90%
lol. so millions of Chinese who own iphones are only getting 10% of the speed? thats hilarious
>The fuck does a chip have to do with download speeds retard?
how fucking retarded are you?
>>The fuck does a chip have to do with download speeds retard?
>how fucking retarded are you?
he doesnt understand that phones use SoC designs which include the 5g modem
When you going to provide evidence I said Hong Kong isn't part of China?
Or are you a chang with like 8 threads open right now and just got confused? Way to out yourself retard.
>When you going to provide evidence I said Hong Kong isn't part of China?
you seemed the kind of person who would claim that.
>It came to me in a dream
Shut the fuck up retard.
>>It came to me in a dream
>Shut the fuck up retard.
please tell us more about how phone chips have nothing to do with download speeds
>t has been benchmarked and it performs at like 50-60% of the speed of an iphone from 2020.
Link to the benchmark please or you are full of cow excrement.
Especially since China owns a number of the core 5G patents.
>Especially since China owns a number of the core 5G patents.
why do cuck americans recognize china's patents when china doesn't give a fuck about theirs'?
The US has way more to lose if nobody gives a shit about all patents in all fields whatsoever
That's a situation like a cuck not trying to divorce his wife because his wife would take the house and the kids.
whatever analogy you want to use man, but for now its in the US's interest to still play the pattern game, until it isnt of course.
they done it without the ASML euv tech which they cannot get, so it means that they have developed either new techniques or new tech. sanctions have back fired for the west.
https://www.edn.com/the-truth-about-smics-7-nm-chip-fabrication-ordeal/#:~:text=And%20a%207%2Dnm%20node,fabricate%20a%207%2Dnm%20chip.
>sanctions have back fired for the west.
when has it not?
>God bless the magnificent Chinese people!
Phone is so good, its not even on their website LOL.
its a political kope phone for commies for their shit economy.
It sold out immediately upon release, dummy. Maybe they dont put it on American huawei site because it has satellite tech also and dont want nigs hurting their branding.
sounds legit
secret phone launches with questionable specs sounds legit. totally equal analogy
>Phone is so good, its not even on their website LOL.
it hasnt been officially launched yet. it sold out everywhere it was on sale though.
>on sale already before official launch
lmao, lemon of lemons
>lmao, lemon of lemons
i'm going to order one
you can't, lol
>you can't, lol
i can get one delivered here in the UK from Hong Kong in about three days
>on sale already before official launch
they released it the day the US commerce secretary visited
they didn't release anything, they just announced it
I hereby announce that I will personally fuck Xi dada in the ass next year
>they didn't release anything, they just announced it
its on sale, people have it. many reviews online.
pics or it didn't happen
also link to where I can buy it
not preorder it, mind you
buy it
https://www.wondamobile.com/mobile/huawei/huawei-mate-60-pro-12gb-512gb-sim-free-unlocked.html
>Unsealed for activation before ship
excuse me?
for activation before ship
>excuse me?
wont work otherwise, its chinese firmware
>I ask for original, shippable phone
>chink can't even provide original packaging
lmao
>>I ask for original, shippable phone
can't even provide original packaging
>lmao
no worries. i.m going to buy one. i've used wondamobile before. if you don't want one, don't buy one.
of course I don't want to get scammed out of my hard-earned cash
what is the stated range of the plane in supercruise?
what is the time between revisions for the engines?
>Wondamobile
>get scammed
You're retarded as fuck, they're trusted seller in HK, it's famous even among Asian countries
>You're retarded as fuck, they're trusted seller in HK, it's famous even among Asian countries
i have bought from other chinese suppliers as well and had zero problems
its ogre
Legit can someone explain to me why we as a society agree with the current course the west has gone on towards China? I mean it blows my mind that we are actively trying to technologically retard another nation. Like it's completely antagonistic and will do nothing but harbour bad feelings to a nation of like 1.5 billion people who now see the west as an archaic bully who is trying to maintain their status as global suzerain by any means possible (and make us look like complete morons when we fail). What possible benefit could this course have had, even assuming it worked perfectly, which it obviously hasn't.
US losing influence that's why. Once China has it's own semiconductor industry its over for the US
>US losing
A consumer society that is not also a producer society is doomed to failure.
Unfortunately that describes the US at the moment.
>an absolute disctatorship is trying to beat every single surrounding country into submition (its not just taiwan - disputes over sea and land borders with every single neighbour, routinely violating fishing zones all over the globe)
>systematic gaslighting through violations of international trade and intelectusl property laws
>deceitful takeover of african rare metal extraction mines
Trying to uphold international law and peace is now "archaic bullying". What the fuck is wrong with you
"International law" lel what a funny you made.
Ok but how is that different from the US?
US is daddy, China isnt
Of course a Brit wouldn't see the dangers in an imperialist dictatorship.
Either you're a shill or your fucking retarded. Regardless, stop talking.
>imperialist dictatorship
You’re talking about the US right?
talk about the pot calling the kettle african american
The whole reason people attacked China (I mean normies) it's because of bullshit muh human rights arguments, despite the soft control technics in the west being just as nefarious for the common man.
If human rights was the true issue we should boycott Kazakhstan, India, all of Africa etc.
In reality it all comes down to mutts feeling threatened.
China has shown nothing bad until now. They might, but they haven't acted in an erratic aggressive manner like the US have until now.
>In reality it all comes down to mutts feeling threatened.
thats right. we dont actually give a fuck about human rights.
Even the Ouïghour bullshit was overblown. These faggs were beheading people in the metros that Han built in their shithole. Instead of killing them the Han showed Han-style magnanimity and offered to school them to make them normal instead of retarded muslims.
If we did this in Algeria we would have dodged 1 or 10 bullets.
Meanwhile the US was raping muslims with brooms in black op sites but it's ok.
I honestly don't understand the animosity towards China. They seem like they're one of the few non whites capable of developing a high culture and talk eye to eye with us. A society ruled by fairness and ambition would support such people and supress caveman retards in Africa, India or the middle east instead.
I mean, if we don't take the best out of humanity we're never colonizing deep space.
So far only europeans and east asians, and possibly persians, have shown signs of high brain functions.
You're pretty fucking ignorant if that's what you actually believe
>despite the soft control technics in the west being just as nefarious for the common man.
Not even close, yeah, the soft control sucks but China has some pretty stern control with social credit, reeducation, etc. Is Xi the one where you can't throw out a newspaper with his face on it?
Theyre cheap and we built in kill switches to their economy. End of the day the US is king and insulated itself against others collapsing by having a lot of diversity in its economy
We did the same to japan. People were complaining the same way about Japan too back in the 80s. Then the kill switches took effect and their economy and society have stagnated
The US plans this shit out long in advance. We know this game and we're better at playing it
>The US plans this shit out long in advance. We know this game and we're better at playing it
~~*We*~~
>End of the day the US is king and insulated itself against others collapsing by having a lot of diversity in its economy
you're delusional. China produces 19 times as much steel as the US and builds more than half of the world's ships.
a single Chinese shipyard has more capacity than all of America's shipyards put together, and China has many of them.
>Then the kill switches took effect and their economy and society have stagnated
Dumb Mutts think that China hasn't analysed how the US undermined Japanese economic development.
Beijing knows all about how Japanese insiders and sell-outs enacted central banking policies which caused a massive financial bubble which then imploded leaving Japan with a high interest rate debt overhang that it still hasn't recovered from.
>Dumb Mutts think that China hasn't analysed how the US undermined Japanese economic development.
in fact Xi made a speech not long ago about what the US did to Japan
Japan really is a nation of colonized cucks. They just commemorated the anniversary of Hiroshima getting nuked and never officially once mentioned that it was the USA which did it. It's like the city accidentally just happened to nuke itself.
>7 nanometer
Apple iPhone silicon is 3 nanometer. China is 10 years behind current American chip design and manufacturing
its unlikely to be even made in china. All those stories of Huawei buying unfinished chips from TSMC before the sanctions, and chip smuggling from overseas shell companies.
SMIC unadvertised bitcoin miner and Huawei's unadvertised phone, with unknown SOC producer.
Stories like Van Der Leyen saying Russia was taking chips out of washing machines to use in missiles? 2 more weeks and theyre totally bankrupt right?
Is that a new take on the ol Iraqis using Playstations for missile guidance from 2000? Good to see what's old becomes new again.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-intelligence-dismisses-ps2-missile-fears/
carefull, you're gonna overdose on that copium
7nm was released in 2018.
China is only 5 years behind now.
Intel just released chips with optical interconnects
China is falling behind-er with every day that passes
Intel ARC failed. Intel lost the mobile market to Arm. Intel losing server market to Ampere. Intel foundry services flopping. Intel wasnt profitable last two quarters. Ryzen has destroyed them. EPYC outperforms Intel. Itanium was a flop. Couldn't even get 64bit right. Go spread your propaganda elsewhere CIA.
>Intel poured so much money into R&D they had a couple quarters in the red
stream processors are the past
multicore TPUs with concurrent memory access over light bus are the future
You mean Biden giving them blank check with CHIPs act couldn't help them? Try harder CIA
>Intel just released chips with optical interconnects
Using Intel as an example of semiconductor leadership LMAO, sir you are ten years out of date
iPhone silicon
>Customized ARM architecture
>Fabbed by TSMC in Taiwan.
>Phone assembled in China or India.
Apple is merely a marketing company at this point.
>Apple iPhone silicon is 3 nanometer.
Current Apple A15 SOC is on TSMC's 5nm node, not 3nm.
Depending on the specific characteristics of SMIC's 7nm node it may be a long way away from TSMC's 5nm process or it may be relatively close by.
Regardless, the western world is utterly shocked that China now appears to be technology independent well under the 32nm node.
>coping chinese memeflag spam
kek your butthurt is hilarious.
China is experiencing the worst birthrate collapse of any nation since World War Two
Cool. What's the yield rate?
Better than the yield rate of US 7nm fabs (since you don't have any).
IBM has a 2 nm processor.
7 debuted in 2018.
> Indian PMs selling secrets
> israeli PMs selling secrets
> Technology transfer programs to "allies"
How could this happen??? At least we still use the ol' reliable credit checks to determine people's characters. Really leading by example KEK
If they can get that price down to around $800 and flood the US market with them it's ogre for apple/android.
>Chip sanctions on China
How the fuck was that supposed to work when all our chips that don't come from Taiwan probably came from China. Also Russia and China are two of the most resource rich countries on the planet. Between the two of them they probably could figure it out lol
By not acting like China and letting the Chinese rot under a pile of their own feces
b-but peter zeihan assured me the sanctions are winning and there's no way the Chinese could innovate and build their own 7nm chips
It's only a matter of time.
Chinese people
Chinese ethnicity
Chinese history
Chinese slavery
so we can just refuse to buy their shit and theyll go bankrupt. just dont buy any chink phones. fuck china
newsflash zoomie, we already sanctioned Huawei
Chinese society
US society
Chinese cannibalism
It was foretold.
>7nm
>performs like a 24nm
wow
They horded chips for 3 years before sanctions, recent benchmarks proved that the phone is running 2020 stats... it's still using Android as a OS..
Android is open source, it's not using Google Play Services, Huawei has their own app store
>it's not using Google Play Services,
im guessing its phone only meant for the domestic market? without google play i cant see how they could sell overseas
This phone I'm sure is domestic only, they make international phones with snapdragons, but you would have to sideload play services
https://consumer.huawei.com/en/phones/p60-pro/
>im guessing its phone only meant for the domestic market? without google play i cant see how they could sell overseas
it doesnt have google play. you dont need it though. i have a huawei with no google here in the uk and i can still download and update all google apps.
apk's are available everywhere
>muh google
kys
Sounds about right. All chinks know how to do is produce no chip and lie.
So why didnt they release new phones in 2021 or 2022?
Tip of the iceberg
QCOM/AVGO/QRVO has long dominated 5G modem & RF. Even APPL can't do it internally
In M60, Huawei has fully domestic built-in 5G modem + RF that uploads/downloads as fast as X70
+ combined that w/ satcom chipset
Chinese OEMs sell 700m phones/yr?
$30/phone -> $21B for just 5G RFFE
Chinese supply chain had maybe 10% market share in 2021
If this rises to 25% in 2024
40% in 2025
$6B less for foreign RF products
QCOM modem comes w/ Soc, but
Let's say Xiaomi develops own modemless SoC (because 5G modem is hard!) + use HW 5G modem -> QCOM lose $180/phone
None of this happens overnight, but future of QCOM looks bleak
Same with AVGO/QRVO/Murata if Chinese OEMs buy domestic RF filters & power amplifier modules.
Beyond that, China can fully sanction Ga export with no feared consequences.
But of course, MSM only wants to talk about a 7nm chip
Lothrop Stoddard was Right
>How can Amerimutts cope with this?
The response from the US government so far has been seething
>Seems like China is winning.
>How can Amerimutts cope with this?
China isn't "winning" it's just not losing. Sanctions are an annoyance but they cannot work forever. The Americans sanctioned cryogenic rocket engine technology for our space programme. It was a setback but we're beyond that and, arguably, stronger and certainly more confident.
>China isn't "winning"
China is winning
Denying reality does not change the situation.
post yields
yields are likely to be very low at this point assuming it is basically a brand new process in low volume fine tuning, but give it twelve months.
>Mao offered the US, 10 million Chinese women
>the US rejected them
What a missed opportunity. Chink women over 25 are considered expired goods in China now.
>10 million Chinese women
Kissinger refused
Check the nose.
Who gives a fuck? I have never heard anyone ever talking about fucking chips unless it was fish and chips, potato chips, or poker chips. Fag
Wrong board
The one thing chinks are not is innovative. If they cant steal and copy it, then it will have never exististed to them.
>The one thing chinks are not is innovative. If they cant steal and copy it, then it will have never exististed to them.
Dumb take from a barbarian ignorant of three millenia of Chinese invention and discovery.
weird. i guess one of the 2.4m chinese spies loving and working in the usa might have something to do with this.
Very impressive, China. Very impressive, indeed. Now build a jet engine.
>Now build a jet engine.
they did. the WS15 with super cruise.
for three hours and a half, after which it needs a new set of turbine blades
gg, you managed to copy Soviet tech from the '70s
>for three hours and a half, after which it needs a new set of turbine blades
evidence for your claim?
7nm penisu. 70t in debt default. 7 days until we invade Taiwan.
777 werry lucky numbel!
buy Evergrande stock now!
Good for them. I used to use a Huawei phone 6 years ago it made me feel like the feds weren't categorizing all my data.
I still use a Huawei phone today, its getting a bit old but is still as fast as any mid range phone on the market and its camera is still flagship grade.
>I still use a Huawei phone today, its getting a bit old but is still as fast as any mid range phone on the market and its camera is still flagship grade.
i use a P40 Pro Plus i bought in 2020 still. got a cheapo nano memory card on amazon for £60 so i have a total of 756 gb memory on it. no google but i get all my apps from the Aurora Store. great phone.
Yeah I've been reading about the Gbox virtual machine as a way to get google services on the new Huawei phones, I might have to try it.
According to the big cycle. China is in collapse instead of overtaking the US. You guys are already privateering wealth over 500k. Like a whole division of Intel monitoring every single transaction and watch list type of shit.
>How can Amerimutts cope with this?
consume lots of cope videos in order to sleep well
Already confirmed bullshit. Huawei stockpiles a bunch of Kirin 9000s back in 2020, they are just using them in these phones. People have already confirmed using batch numbers these chips were just made in Taiwan.
More fake bullshit from China.
>Already confirmed bullshit.
erm no. SMIC manufactured the chips. The 5g on these phones is faster than any other phone.
People who have gotten their hands on the chips have confirmed they were made by TSMC in Taiwan.
Every chip made by TSMC has a small QR code embedded in it. Removing it without damaging the chip is almost impossible. The chips tested have this QR code which confirmed it was made by TSMC.
It's not the first time a Chinese company has rebranded a bunch of chips they imported, and it wont be the last.
>People who have gotten their hands on the chips have confirmed they were made by TSMC in Taiwan.
lol no, teardowns of the phone confirmed the chips are made by SMIC in China.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2023-09-05/a-look-inside-huawei-s-mate-60-pro-phone-video
Confirms nothing at all. Show us the scan of the inbuilt QR code the chip has. Oh wait, they wont because that shows it was made in taiwan.
>Confirms nothing at all. Show us the scan of the inbuilt QR code the chip has
show us a picture of this code on a chip
Why even bother to entertain that guy?
If Huawei had those chips since 2020, why wait 3 years to release new phones?
>Every chip made by TSMC has a small QR code embedded in it
lol really? show us a picture of one
It's a QR code but the technical name is a 2D matrix. Every manufactured chip has one that is used to store the chips ATPO.
>It's a QR code but the technical name is a 2D matrix. Every manufactured chip has one that is used to store the chips ATPO.
i said show us a picture of one
Here is a picture of one. Had to magnify it because these things are less than 1mm in size. Normal cameras wont even pick them up as anything more than a tiny speck.
>Here is a picture of one. Had to magnify it because these things are less than 1mm in size. Normal cameras wont even pick them up as anything more than a tiny speck.
lol what the fuck is this supposed to be? fuck off now.
It is a picture of what you asked for nagger. You don't understand what it is but it's what you wanted to see retard.
>It is a picture of what you asked for nagger.
its a picture of nothing because you are lying. there should be numerous pictures of what you claim exists online.
Nigga stop being fucking retarded.
Here is another picture with several of them. Can you see them? No, because they are fucking tiny. If you don't use a camera with high zoom and focus on them, then you can't fucking see them.
>Nigga stop being fucking retarded.
>Here is another picture with several of them. Can you see them? No, because they are fucking tiny.
so anyone who wanted to show them would zoom in with a microscope wouldnt they you fucking retard. if they actually existed.
So you fucking google for microscopic pictures then chang. I aint doing this shit for you. Oh wait, google is banned in China.
>So you fucking google for microscopic pictures then chang. I aint doing this shit for you
proof that you are lying. you make a claim, you bring the evidence. now as i told you, fuck off.
>Taiwan is still a free country
>India and Russia still holds territory you chinks claim
>Birthrate is down the toilet
>Realestate sector is collapsing
>Third round of Covid for chang
>Factories going out of business
>Record levels of youth unemployment
Kek want more slanty eyed chinksect?
>Here is a picture of one. Had to magnify it because these things are less than 1mm in size.
Hey you fucking moron, tell me what process equipment was used to pattern that entire symbol to under 1nm in size when the finest lithography today generates features around 5nm?
BTW did I tell you you're a fucking moron. Just stop treating the rest of us like we are too.
>People have already confirmed using batch numbers these chips were just made in Taiwan.
link to that please?
>FATLOIDS (americano) think this is between america and china
Both of these dogshit countries are behind in semiconductor manufacturing.
China is the future, any man with two brain cells should be able to easily see this.
Not 7nm but 5nm.
the performance is somewhere between sd888 and sd 8 gen 1 btw. (closer to gen 1)
"7nm" garbage multi-patterning DUV scrap sillicon. Keep producing subpar and unprofitable shat chang!
>"7nm" garbage multi-patterning DUV scrap sillicon. Keep producing subpar and unprofitable shat chang!
i'm going to buy one. how do you like that?
Why would I care what you waste money on chink? garbage buying garbage fits well
>Why would I care what you waste money on chink? garbage buying garbage fits well
China is still behind the leading edge TSMC processes but the fact is that it is now technology independent at well under 32nm.
That's massive progress.
In five years time SMIC may be global second only to TSMC - and TSMC is entirely dependent on US/EU controlled technology.
It’s literally a chip produced in taiwan before the sanctions. Chinks have been sitting on it for years. Performance is literally a snapdragon 888.
>It’s literally a chip produced in taiwan before the sanctions.
no it isn't.
When will you get EUV production up and running? ohhh thats right, never since you are unable to copy it. Keep coping with your DUV garbage.
>When will you get EUV production up and running? ohhh thats right, never since you are unable to copy it.
we'll see.
>When will you get EUV production up and running? ohhh thats right, never since you are unable to copy it. Keep coping with your DUV garbage.
Probably two to three years. Four at the outside.
What use is all that shit if there's no one to buy them?
The consoomer based economy with infinite money printing and pumping them into mindless consumerist NPC drones who use them to suck in all the useless shit produced by uncle Chen is only set to run with America as the motherbase of consoomer drones and now they A) got into a beef with it they they ain't gonna import their shit even if they can produce it and B) the consoomer drones are failing from too much excitements in their life, like naggers, refugees, jabs, lockdowns, inflation, transgender rights, feminism, fiery but mostly peaceful BLM riots and their presidents getting mugshots with their supporters sent to jail for 20 years. If this continues they may lose their function completely and won't purchase new Chinaphones every year, even if available.
>What use is all that shit if there's no one to buy them?
they have sold millions of the Mate 60 Pro already and it hasnt even been officially launched
>millions
That's just Chinese upper middle class.
Is it available in USA? What about Europe?
This is like the 50th time this chingchong has made this same thread. Talk about tiny dicked wumao cope.
Awesome. Go China!
I heard the same thing last month with room temperature semiconductors
It's absurd how many chink shills there are on /misc/ these days, and people act like it's completely natural.
>It's absurd how many chink shills there are on /misc/ these days, and people act like it's completely natural.
China is a rising power. The US is in sharp decline.
Are you actually serious with that? I find the quite opposite with daily threads like this >
China is such a weird fucking situation.
White people are basically hyper advanced aliens that came and enslaved them. They got some advanced technology and have been reverse engineering it to free their race from an oppressive aliens species controlled by wizard parasites.
Being Chinese is so fucking kino.
China is the Tau. Africa is orcs. israelites are eldari. Europe is Man. US is a renegade merchant guild turned into an Empire.
>eldar
a merchant empire means an unfettered water empire, with no beliefs or values beyond individualistic freedom. that's why i think present-day america and its vassals by extension are pretty much dark eldars, piracy empire and all. it's just that the fall is so slow most people will only realize decades after it happened.
>europe is man
not really sure there's a nation like it. there are a bunch of third position factions scattered everywhere, like the pan-arabists, or the populists of europe that might be them, but they're not really regimes yet. China's two other allies might fight the bill. Iran, especially.
>China is the Tau
works well enough.
>Africa is orcs
on the mark. maybe add the rest of the third world as well.
maybe i should start using your analogies to explainfag. thanks for the idea, anon, i'm gonna steal it.
Last week it was 5nm. Now it's 7nm. It's like chink getting an erection.