Scholasticism is the Answer to the Atheist/Agnostic epidemic

What else would convert many atheists and agnostics other than scholasticism? They left religion because they thought it was irrational. Catholic scholasticism and lots of debates over intellectual issues in doctrine can bring these people back.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Scholasticist charlatans were Retroactively refuted by Guénon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've seen nothing else convert more atheists and agnostics.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Religion is based on something that's irrational by definition. You lost the game before it even began.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Religion can be rational and intellectual. See the doctors of the church.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The doctors of the Church clearly separated what can be known through reason from what is only accesible through faith. And in all religions what matters the most is the contents of revelation.

        Truth is, theology has never been able to solve the following riddle: if faith can be demonstrated through reason, then it is pointless; if it cannot, then it is arbitrary.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Of believing in your god were reasonable, reason would be sufficient to prove it’s real. That’s how that works.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Religion can be rational and intellectual
        >Believes in the trinity

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Trinitarianism is high IQ because you need a high IQ to understand its complexity and nuance.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >God is three persons, yet we’re still monotheistic. If you give a rational explanation to this, you’re a heretic

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hattable

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even if we granted that there is an unmoved mover/uncaused cause/necessary being and so on, I still don't see how could you possibly demonstrate that said God is the Christian God.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can’t, because the Christian God is a israeli pagan deity that was never a supreme being to begin with.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly. It's pretty funny to see tradcaths today complaining about progressive christians interpreting the Bible metaphorically to fit the new scientific and moral consensus, when their beloved Aquinas did the same with the God of the Old Testament in order to harmonize it with his abstract metaphysical idea of God.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think you could arguably still have ChristianityTM or something like it, without all the Hebrew bullshit attached. Theosis, the divine virtues/deadly sins, punishment/reward in the afterlife and the death/rebirth of the world is something MOST religions share.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Reminder Marcion was (mostly) right

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think Gnosticism got a lot right in general, but also got quite a bit wrong. The Psychic-Hylic shit is certainly right though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Even if we granted that there is an unmoved mover/uncaused cause/necessary being and so on, I still don't see how could you possibly demonstrate that said God is the Christian God.

      Well, if someone comes to believe in a Creator, the next step can be presenting the case for the Resurrection, as in this well-made video:

      Or in one of the many books on the subject, such as:

      Green, Was Jesus Who He Said He Was?

      McDowell, More Than a Carpenter

      Or a scholarly tome like N.T. Wright, The Resurrection of the Son of God.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >historical evidence for a miracle

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I just don't think it more likely that some guy rose from the dead 2000 years ago, rather than it didn't happen

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm sorry, but Hume's argument against miracles preemptively BTFO's any attempt at presenting historical evidence for the resurrection.

        Hell, even the Bible admits that the story of the Gospels is supossed to sound retarded to any normal, rational person:

        >For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You just convince them it's more likely that some guy rose from the dead 2000 years ago, rather than it didn't happen
    that easy

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What else would convert many atheists and agnostics other than scholasticism?
    Literally anything else.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally anything else? Atheists and agnostics want rationalism and scholasticism. They want academic rigor, and this is missing in much of the American faith. I've seen atheists convert to Catholicism based on the scholasticism and intellectual factor.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    *actualizes a potential fart*

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They left religion because the israelite tv men told them it was irrational
    FTFY

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      mind = broken

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >slave to a kike religion
      >noooo its da jooz that make people atheists
      neck yourself christpedo subhuman

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he became an atheist in 2010 because of ricky gervais
      thats on you lad

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >slave to a kike religion
        >noooo its da jooz that make people atheists
        neck yourself christpedo subhuman

        Most people become atheist because they want to be scholastic, scientific, and intellectual.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    most so-called atheists are just disillusioned with the church. it's an expression of dryness of spirit, not irrationality

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In some cases yes others no. Atheists love to brag about how intellectual and scientific they are all the time.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon I'm going to be 100% with you: you just feel stupid about your religion. That's why of all the criticism you (plural) receive, that's what triggers you (singular) the most.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is it really so hard to believe that atheists don’t believe in ancient gods from Iron Age mythology? Do you really think that’s far fetched?
      If I was disillusioned with the church I would find another church.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You post about atheists as a christian without hatred. Now pay attention, in your own thread, most likely, and all over LULZ a thousand of christian posts full of malice are being posted about atheists. Not gonna lie, me personally, I'm agnostic, and literally anything anyone tell me can't change that, I mean it. But the thing is, we don't have to gate eachother.
    But for sone reason, some people want to keep the war alive.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Christian doctrine tells them to spread Christianity, and their beliefs are wrong. The ancient near eastern god Yahweh is not actually real.
      They are inherently a source of division and conflict.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, but at least OP isn't being a huge asshole about it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is true but that’s why they continue this conflagration. If they were like almost every other religion I’ve interacted with that didn’t push it on others, we wouldn’t have this problem.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I've met christians irl, they didn't had this need to convert everyone.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They left religion because they thought it was irrational
    Christianity is irrational. Your doctors can't explain many of the doctrines they preach.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay, if you can actually solve the problem of evil then we'll talk.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly OP you may be right. In my anecdotal experience the only thing about religion that I find valuable or enticing (as an atheist) is rigorous scholastic study of scriptural works and context-providing historical and anthropological texts - and I find that most religious institutions in the modern day deliberately ignore or undermine this aspect.

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