I mean... she's not wrong though. If a dude gets a woman pregnant and doesn't want to deal with the consequences he can just walk away and that's that. I guess it's a sociopathic way of seeing it though considering that I know a lot of guys who would shrug and say "okay I guess" and accept their new condition as a dad, but objectively speaking she's not wrong
I guess this speaks about how some decisions (like leaving a partner right when shit hits the fan) feel easy when you're not the one taking them
Irrational opinion. Having sex is healthy, and mistakes can happen. We're obviously discussing the eventuality where a mistake is made and a kid is created when both parties are not really ready or willing to have one. And in that case >Men and women have the same circumstances when making this decision coming into it
is just wrong. A lot of men just have an awful moral compass and will really make an awful decision when it comes to this shit and do all their best to fuck off and leave the child for the single mother. Objectively speaking it's just not the same decision, unless you want to consider having to insert some shit to kill an embryo that sits in your body to be the same as just walking away.
>Irrational opinion. Having sex is healthy, and mistakes can happen.
Whoops! I slipped and fell on his dick. oopsie.
>what do you mean just not have sex? Sex is a thing and it just happens among adults. I should be allowed to kill the results of it even though many forms of contraception exist. >no incel you are NOT entitled to have sex even once. Sex isn't all it's cracked up to be you know. You can live a fulfilling life without.
>If a dude gets a woman pregnant
Women are the ones who insist on choosing to have sex with these terrible partners, so ultimately they bear at the very least 50% of the responsibility.
Do you believe it's possible to know the true nature of people before you have sex with them? That seems pretty optimistic. Even after 15 years, some married couples learn pretty atrocious secrets about each other. We've all trusted people before with things that are close to our heart and they've hurt us with it. No one is truly immune to sharing a slice of life with an asshole.
If you truly want to be fair and objective, it doesn't feel right to assign responsibility like that, imo.
>Do you believe it's possible to know the true nature of people before you have sex with them?
How about you don't have sex with them until you know their true nature? Or use a damn contraceptive? >Even after 15 years, some married couples learn pretty atrocious secrets about each other.
Those cases are very far from the majority. A majority of divorces are initiated by women.
My point is that knowing someone's true nature is really hard in some cases. Or at least it's hard knowing their true bad sides before the situation does manifest where they show who they truly are. It's really fucking easy to act like you're tough and mentally untouchable behind of a screen but I can guarantee you that when this kinda shit happens to you, you're easily manipulated into making extremely bad choices. I'm only pointing to this very obvious fact. She has a point.
>you're easily manipulated into making extremely bad choices
No, you're desperate to not get dumped by the man of your dreams because he's extremely attractive and out of your league, so when he wants to fuck you raw and nut in you, you say yes. Then when he dumps your ugly ass because he has plenty of options you go on reddit and throw a tantrum like a spoiled child. All these bitches have princess syndrome, they need to lower their fucking standards.
>If a dude gets a woman pregnant and doesn't want to deal with the consequences he can just walk away and that's that.
In what reality do you live in? Child support is a thing. Women can just give the child up for adoption.
In this reality: women are only really having casual sex with a very small % of men.
>Child support is a thing
That's nothing compared to what raising a kid (alone) would feel like. She's also right on that account. >Women can just give the child up for adoption.
She could, but then a lot of people in this thread would judge her all the same, for the exact same reasons. You'd probably call some moralistic arguments about how it's horrible to put a child in this world and give them up the second they are out. It's a losing situation, all because she accepted a man in her life and some bad things happened. Women are always evil in the situation you put out.
I am not here judging you. Just putting you against a mirror. It's not healthy.
>you're easily manipulated into making extremely bad choices
No, you're desperate to not get dumped by the man of your dreams because he's extremely attractive and out of your league, so when he wants to fuck you raw and nut in you, you say yes. Then when he dumps your ugly ass because he has plenty of options you go on reddit and throw a tantrum like a spoiled child. All these bitches have princess syndrome, they need to lower their fucking standards.
>so when he wants to fuck you raw and nut in you, you say yes
I dare you to have a sex with a girl, and to not remove your condom when she asks you to cum in her because she finds it hot. I dare you. A vast majority of people here wouldn't resist. I just know it.
>She could, but then a lot of people in this thread would judge her all the same, for the exact same reasons. You'd probably call some moralistic arguments about how it's horrible to put a child in this world and give them up the second they are out. It's a losing situation, all because she accepted a man in her life and some bad things happened. Women are always evil in the situation you put out. >I am not here judging you. Just putting you against a mirror. It's not healthy.
There are literally 12 couples waiting for a child for every 1 person giving up their child for adopt. You're simply wrong.
That's not what I am talking about. What I am talking about here is that you are putting women in unwinnable moral situations. You will consider women awful regardless of the choices they make in life.
>What I am talking about here is that you are putting women in unwinnable moral situations. You will consider women awful regardless of the choices they make in life.
The most moral choice: not having unwanted sex.
The next most moral choice: giving the child up for adoption
The least moral choice: killing the child.
I'm not of the opinion that it's horrible to bring a child into the world. I value my own life and would prefer it to not living.
>raising a kid (alone)
The vast majority of single moms get ALOT of male support, stepdads are common in any culture, you are coping homosexual. Women can literally opt out of jail when they have kids, but men can get jail time explicitly for it. Seen it happen many times and it's bullshit, women have almost unilateral control of whether they have children in the modern age while men have virtually none, unless they get surgery on their balls.
i mean she is wrong though im a twenty five year old virgin and if i was a woman i would have had zero problems with abortions or chads harem as a single mother really dont feel bad for whore they dont feel bad i never had sex cause there is zero women who will commit until she got run through by a hundred male whore
>what do you mean just not have sex? Sex is a thing and it just happens among adults. I should be allowed to kill the results of it even though many forms of contraception exist. >no incel you are NOT entitled to have sex even once. Sex isn't all it's cracked up to be you know. You can live a fulfilling life without.
>what do you mean just not have sex? Sex is a thing and it just happens among adults. I should be allowed to kill the results of it even though many forms of contraception exist. >no incel you are NOT entitled to have sex even once. Sex isn't all it's cracked up to be you know. You can live a fulfilling life without.
>'Uuuuuh but if you have sex you have to man up and take care of the child, and take care of her, unless she wants to abort the child, which isn't a child at all and just part of herself with different DNA and the reason is she's just changing herself rather than trying to stop a child from being born.' >'Also if you disagree on any part of this you're hateful and the worst person ever, and you should be beaten even if you're a woman. We protect women's rights!'
>They are doing the same act.
Oh for fucks sake. Abstinance is a two way street.
If you don't want responsibility for a child, then dont fuck!
Unless this woman thinks that men have no obligation to his children. Which lets be real, this is a redditor and is probably some anti-natalist whore who can't comprehend the responsibility of being a mother or a father.
The situations couldn't be more asymmetrical. Women are more physically burdened by pregnancy, but that isn't men's fault. Women are also much more in control of their bodies at every stage, even post-birth. If a woman wanted they could go to another state and drop a child off anonymously at a firestation, perfectly legal in some places and the father can't do shit.
Things like child support also limits your ability to legally move away or be unemployed, therefore you are a de facto endentured servant of the mother and by proxy the state, who will be either killed or raped in a jail cell if you don't comply, and you can't just pay off child support all at once like a debt, it's more like you are a criminal who refuses to "comply" with the mother, so they settle for a reocurring fine until said mother is satisfied.
This reddit cunt is clearly batshit for assuming it's so easy for men. Women have the state on their side in just about every aspect. Incels will never breed so they'll never understand how truly fucked things are either.
I am aware of that.
But regardless my point is that the bitch is literally in capable of rationalizing that both parties have responsibilities in raising a child.
Due to the much higher risk of fatal occupational injury, the risk of death associated with a man being forced to use his body to support an unwanted child is GREATER THAN the risk of death associated with a woman being forced to use her body to support an unwanted child.
Being too stupid to realize "keep your legs shut" is the same dismissive should've-thought-of-that-before-you-had-sex argument Pro-Choice people have used to oppose reproductive rights for decades is peak female privilege.
I mean... she's not wrong though. If a dude gets a woman pregnant and doesn't want to deal with the consequences he can just walk away and that's that. I guess it's a sociopathic way of seeing it though considering that I know a lot of guys who would shrug and say "okay I guess" and accept their new condition as a dad, but objectively speaking she's not wrong
I guess this speaks about how some decisions (like leaving a partner right when shit hits the fan) feel easy when you're not the one taking them
Literally just don't have so much fucking sex. That's it. Men and women have the same circumstances when making this decision coming into it.
Irrational opinion. Having sex is healthy, and mistakes can happen. We're obviously discussing the eventuality where a mistake is made and a kid is created when both parties are not really ready or willing to have one. And in that case
>Men and women have the same circumstances when making this decision coming into it
is just wrong. A lot of men just have an awful moral compass and will really make an awful decision when it comes to this shit and do all their best to fuck off and leave the child for the single mother. Objectively speaking it's just not the same decision, unless you want to consider having to insert some shit to kill an embryo that sits in your body to be the same as just walking away.
>Irrational opinion. Having sex is healthy, and mistakes can happen.
Whoops! I slipped and fell on his dick. oopsie.
How dare you point out the double standard.
>If a dude gets a woman pregnant
Women are the ones who insist on choosing to have sex with these terrible partners, so ultimately they bear at the very least 50% of the responsibility.
Do you believe it's possible to know the true nature of people before you have sex with them? That seems pretty optimistic. Even after 15 years, some married couples learn pretty atrocious secrets about each other. We've all trusted people before with things that are close to our heart and they've hurt us with it. No one is truly immune to sharing a slice of life with an asshole.
If you truly want to be fair and objective, it doesn't feel right to assign responsibility like that, imo.
>Do you believe it's possible to know the true nature of people before you have sex with them?
How about you don't have sex with them until you know their true nature? Or use a damn contraceptive?
>Even after 15 years, some married couples learn pretty atrocious secrets about each other.
Those cases are very far from the majority. A majority of divorces are initiated by women.
My point is that knowing someone's true nature is really hard in some cases. Or at least it's hard knowing their true bad sides before the situation does manifest where they show who they truly are. It's really fucking easy to act like you're tough and mentally untouchable behind of a screen but I can guarantee you that when this kinda shit happens to you, you're easily manipulated into making extremely bad choices. I'm only pointing to this very obvious fact. She has a point.
>you're easily manipulated into making extremely bad choices
No, you're desperate to not get dumped by the man of your dreams because he's extremely attractive and out of your league, so when he wants to fuck you raw and nut in you, you say yes. Then when he dumps your ugly ass because he has plenty of options you go on reddit and throw a tantrum like a spoiled child. All these bitches have princess syndrome, they need to lower their fucking standards.
>If a dude gets a woman pregnant and doesn't want to deal with the consequences he can just walk away and that's that.
In what reality do you live in? Child support is a thing. Women can just give the child up for adoption.
In this reality: women are only really having casual sex with a very small % of men.
>Child support is a thing
That's nothing compared to what raising a kid (alone) would feel like. She's also right on that account.
>Women can just give the child up for adoption.
She could, but then a lot of people in this thread would judge her all the same, for the exact same reasons. You'd probably call some moralistic arguments about how it's horrible to put a child in this world and give them up the second they are out. It's a losing situation, all because she accepted a man in her life and some bad things happened. Women are always evil in the situation you put out.
I am not here judging you. Just putting you against a mirror. It's not healthy.
>so when he wants to fuck you raw and nut in you, you say yes
I dare you to have a sex with a girl, and to not remove your condom when she asks you to cum in her because she finds it hot. I dare you. A vast majority of people here wouldn't resist. I just know it.
>She could, but then a lot of people in this thread would judge her all the same, for the exact same reasons. You'd probably call some moralistic arguments about how it's horrible to put a child in this world and give them up the second they are out. It's a losing situation, all because she accepted a man in her life and some bad things happened. Women are always evil in the situation you put out.
>I am not here judging you. Just putting you against a mirror. It's not healthy.
There are literally 12 couples waiting for a child for every 1 person giving up their child for adopt. You're simply wrong.
That's not what I am talking about. What I am talking about here is that you are putting women in unwinnable moral situations. You will consider women awful regardless of the choices they make in life.
>What I am talking about here is that you are putting women in unwinnable moral situations. You will consider women awful regardless of the choices they make in life.
The most moral choice: not having unwanted sex.
The next most moral choice: giving the child up for adoption
The least moral choice: killing the child.
I'm not of the opinion that it's horrible to bring a child into the world. I value my own life and would prefer it to not living.
>raising a kid (alone)
The vast majority of single moms get ALOT of male support, stepdads are common in any culture, you are coping homosexual. Women can literally opt out of jail when they have kids, but men can get jail time explicitly for it. Seen it happen many times and it's bullshit, women have almost unilateral control of whether they have children in the modern age while men have virtually none, unless they get surgery on their balls.
>75% is a small %
Delusional
i mean she is wrong though im a twenty five year old virgin and if i was a woman i would have had zero problems with abortions or chads harem as a single mother really dont feel bad for whore they dont feel bad i never had sex cause there is zero women who will commit until she got run through by a hundred male whore
>what do you mean just not have sex? Sex is a thing and it just happens among adults. I should be allowed to kill the results of it even though many forms of contraception exist.
>no incel you are NOT entitled to have sex even once. Sex isn't all it's cracked up to be you know. You can live a fulfilling life without.
>what do you mean just not have sex? Sex is a thing and it just happens among adults. I should be allowed to kill the results of it even though many forms of contraception exist.
>no incel you are NOT entitled to have sex even once. Sex isn't all it's cracked up to be you know. You can live a fulfilling life without.
>'Uuuuuh but if you have sex you have to man up and take care of the child, and take care of her, unless she wants to abort the child, which isn't a child at all and just part of herself with different DNA and the reason is she's just changing herself rather than trying to stop a child from being born.'
>'Also if you disagree on any part of this you're hateful and the worst person ever, and you should be beaten even if you're a woman. We protect women's rights!'
Life isn't fair, what does she expect? Women are privileged when it comes to getting sex too.
> having sex makes Babies
THE DAMN PATRIARCHY!! 111!
Go back to r3ddit nagger homosexual and screencap a bullet through your brain while you're at it.
they should close their mouths too
The majority of people who post on that hellhole are trannies. This person probably can't get pregnant anyways.
>They are doing the same act.
Oh for fucks sake. Abstinance is a two way street.
If you don't want responsibility for a child, then dont fuck!
Unless this woman thinks that men have no obligation to his children. Which lets be real, this is a redditor and is probably some anti-natalist whore who can't comprehend the responsibility of being a mother or a father.
The situations couldn't be more asymmetrical. Women are more physically burdened by pregnancy, but that isn't men's fault. Women are also much more in control of their bodies at every stage, even post-birth. If a woman wanted they could go to another state and drop a child off anonymously at a firestation, perfectly legal in some places and the father can't do shit.
Things like child support also limits your ability to legally move away or be unemployed, therefore you are a de facto endentured servant of the mother and by proxy the state, who will be either killed or raped in a jail cell if you don't comply, and you can't just pay off child support all at once like a debt, it's more like you are a criminal who refuses to "comply" with the mother, so they settle for a reocurring fine until said mother is satisfied.
This reddit cunt is clearly batshit for assuming it's so easy for men. Women have the state on their side in just about every aspect. Incels will never breed so they'll never understand how truly fucked things are either.
I am aware of that.
But regardless my point is that the bitch is literally in capable of rationalizing that both parties have responsibilities in raising a child.
Due to the much higher risk of fatal occupational injury, the risk of death associated with a man being forced to use his body to support an unwanted child is GREATER THAN the risk of death associated with a woman being forced to use her body to support an unwanted child.
Being too stupid to realize "keep your legs shut" is the same dismissive should've-thought-of-that-before-you-had-sex argument Pro-Choice people have used to oppose reproductive rights for decades is peak female privilege.