Where did the Renaissance really "start"? For me I think it started in Germany since that is where the printing press developed in 1450. This allowed information to flow more easily, was readily available and so I would think the people of Germany would have advanced first into the Renaissance because of this before anyone else in Yurop.
I am not really sure why normie historians say Italy was the cause of it, it doesn't make much sense to me.
because it was born out of the political systems in italy at that time. Also you don't need a printing press to make paintings, speeches, plays, etc.
That is not important, what is important is the technological advancement for better standards of living and this is what the people of Germany achieved.
the renaissance and the beginning of the modern era aren't the same thing
the invention of the printing press, along with the conquest of constantinople and the end of the 100 years war (and other factors as well that I can't think of off the top of my head) all contributed to why historians generally consider the early modern era to have begun around the mid-fifteenth century
the renaissance was more of an artistic and philosophical movement
so what about science and math? Technology development?
>I am not really sure why normie historians say Italy was the cause of it, it doesn't make much sense to me.
Because it originated in Italy you normie shit it was just spread with the printing press
None of this stuff would've seen the light of day if it weren't for Gutenberg's printing press.
This reeks of bullshit, LULZ.
>None of this stuff would've seen the light of day if it weren't for Gutenberg's printing press.
You are retarded, I hope you never fuck as to not spread your retard genes onto further generations that will have to deal with autism, retardation, parkinsons and shrimp dick because of you. Die
Doesn't matter wyte ass cracka!! Your country is being flooded by thirdworld immigrants. Dysgenics will run amok and civilization will crumble, especially for those who are unlucky enough to inherit the future.
we wouldn't be able to read about the ancient greece without the printing press either, that doesn't mean Classical antiquity started in Germany
Cope
> Otto of Freising (c. 1114–1158), a German bishop visiting north Italy during the 12th century, noticed a widespread new form of political and social organization, observing that Italy appeared to have exited from feudalism so that its society was based on merchants and commerce.
Even the Germans agree it was started in Italy. Didn't they teach you guys this in latin america?
Why is exiting feudalism an advancement??
I never said it was, it's just one of the notable changes from the medieval to renaissance periods
Therefore I will stand by my thread and say that the greatest achievement of that period was the printing press. Indeed, it allowed vastly more people to get ahead, by multiplication of ideas, memes, and thus revolutionized the way society worked from then on. You cannot argue with this, you cannot name another invention so powerful that it would equalize the playing field for so many people other than the printing press.
You. Have. No. Argument.
>This reeks of bullshit, LULZ.
Stop playing Civ and listening to pop-history.
Dilate.
What was the whole point of le Renaissance if it wasn't for advancing civilization? Giving more power to the merchants just means the merchants are going to enrich themselves. This would create another upper class, a set of new lords. Nothing changes. I fail to see how this is a "change" if at all.
> This would create another upper class, a set of new lords
Like all changes in society. Otherwise you could nothing has changed in human history, since it's all just one class of elites replacing the other. That's what historical change is.
> Where did the Renaissance really "start"? For me I think it started in Germany
> Therefore I will stand by my thread and say that the greatest achievement of that period was the printing press.
Imagine forgetting the point of the conversation that you started, and trying to change the subject when you can just scroll up and see it right there.
r*ddit
you're american
go back
pathetic how I can tell what country you're from just by reading your stupid opinions
>pathetic how I can tell what country you're from just by reading your stupid opinions
it started in the 14th century you FUCKING RETARD
Rude
>pretending "normie historians" don't frequently argue that the renaissance (the one we give that title to anyway) was started by the introduction of the printing press by Gutenberg
I'd say the invention of paper and printing in China was the origin 🙂
>Chyna
Doesn't count, for obvious reasons
Brunelleschi and León Battista Alberti discovered perspective in painting , not some German. Poggio Bracciolini, Valla and Petrarca rediscovered thousands of classics, not some German
And where would these people be.. without the printing press?? Heh.. Gotcha LULZ..