Religion

Is religion seriously the only thing that is holding christians on this board from killing and raping people? This is the most popular argument I see here.
If so, it's unironically fricking scary. I urge militant atheists to stop trying to persuade anyone. Some people are genuinely are better of believing in fairy tales if that keeps them in check. Do you really want to know what are they are capable of?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah they're projecting psychopaths. What do you expect from people who worship the bloodlines of rapists?

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No. I was a deist before I converted to Catholicism. I didn't think God really cared about what I did or didn't do; and, yet, I had no desire to hurt anyone then, I still don't now. God's law is written on our hearts, people are largely not psychopaths just barely held in check by faith. We know some basic morality with or without being part of a religion due to our reason and conscience.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Get rid of the police for a week and you'll see how nice most human beings truly are, and how probably 75% of humanity only doesn't murder, rape, and pillage because they don't want to go to jail.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You’re projecting. 50% of people are women, many of them old.
      The problem would almost exclusively be men under 25 and I think you’re looking at more like 50 to 60% of them

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      kek this so much

      I'm sorry, anon, but modern men are living a dream by thinking that man is this or that. Yes, we are inherently good because we were created in God's image; still, original sin has left our nature permanently damaged. Even you can feel in your personal life how difficult it is to get rid of your bad habits and bad actions.

      At some point, we NEED to have fear of God in our hearts to prevent us from becoming devils incarnate. This is true for every living human being

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >At some point, we NEED to have fear of God in our hearts to prevent us from becoming devils incarnate.
        I live in New England where religion is lowest in the US and the streets are safer than pretty much anywhere else.

        Looks like people don’t need Christianity

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I live in New England
          Nobody cares about you or the place you live, people live in other places and yes, on these other places, people need Christianity

          PS: you're going to hell

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That's because criminals live down to earth and when you live in the real world you aren't in a position to pretend like God isn't real, atheism, troonyism etc. are delusions that can only exist without adversity

            Both of you fell flat on your faces in front of the fact that the most secular places tend to be the safest, refuting the idea that people need to fear the Christian god to not go on killing sprees or whatever insane warped savagery you’re projecting from your dark fedora dungeon below your poor mothers house.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Of course comrade, anyone who says otherwise never existed

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Poor boy knows nothing about real life.

            Continued lack of rebuttals. I don’t believe in god and almost no one i encounter does. It is a safe place where people don’t attack each other.
            It’s not necessary, you’re living in the past with archaic mindsets.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >It is a safe place where
            Where countless babies are murdered in the womb and AIDS spreads like wildfire through sodomy and drug use

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I don’t think I’ve met anyone with AIDS, of course you’re a drama queen about abortion.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >you’re a drama queen about abortion
            Why don't you care about babies being murdered?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Grandpa it’s time for your heart meds.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What is it about this image that stokes your urge to kill? That reminds me of another interesting question, are atheists bad people because they are atheists, or are they atheists because they are bad people?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Just to be clear, you’ve conceded that it’s safe to live in non-religious areas and that they tend to be safer, you’re now just b***hing about abortion.
            I don’t think abortion is good btw, it’s a last resort.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >you’ve conceded that it’s safe to live in non-religious areas and that they tend to be safer
            Unless you're a baby. Also, no

            Of course comrade, anyone who says otherwise never existed

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            100 million kulaks have been killed in New England in the past year alone.
            Sorry I just tried to be as stupid as you are and I can’t quite go that low.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            nobody kills babies, except maybe some religious fanatics in the past. you are insane.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Psst, take it easy, he's never left a place where only privileged people live and has no idea what it is like to experiment harshness. Go easy on the kid, real life might leave him traumatized for life

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The place I live shields me from the horrors of more religious places and you’re telling me that religion is needed for people to behave morally?
            You know what I like about you? Your inability to think one step ahead.
            Thank you for proving my point.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Poor boy knows nothing about real life.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >can't argue against Christians
    >"I'm literally shaking, these people are le scary!"
    So for an atheist why is it wrong to rape and kill?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      How does one argue with a pigeon?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The atheist's pieces, board, table and chair were all stolen from Jesus, and the pigeon is just repossessing them for Him.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why wouldn't you rape or murder if you could get away with it?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I don’t want to. It’s not appealing to me, you likely have mental problems

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why don't you like it? Are you saying you wouldn't enjoy rape, murder, robbery, and torture? Would you not want male slaves to do all your work for you and lots and lots of female sex slaves?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Are you saying you wouldn't enjoy rape, murder, robbery, and torture?
          Correct.

          I don’t want slaves or sex slaves because I get turned on by a woman being into it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Nearly every culture in history permitted rape of foreign women. Why do you think of it as bad? It doesn't affect you in any way.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Because I’m a humanist of sorts. I don’t like innocent people being hurt.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Don't you have to hurt rapists and murderers to enforce your morality? Should vegans hold you accountable for eating chicken just like you want to hold rapists and murderers accountable?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I said I’m a humanist, not a chickenist.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You might not be chickenists, but chickenists do exist.

            >murder doesn’t negatively affect the community
            Christian brainpower everyone. Cannot even imagine cascading negative effects of fear and pain

            What if I go murder some random foreigner? How does that affect you? How does the murder of someone in some random city affect you?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Well I’m not a chickenist and don’t follow their rules.

            Post more about how much you want to murder random people btw

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Nearly every culture in history permitted rape of foreign women.
            Nearly every culture in history was religious

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They didn't follow Christianity.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Christians raped a lot of Christian and non-Christian women. What are you on about?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Being religious doesn't stop you from being evil things.

            >there's no morality without religion
            >NOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
            Amazing

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Just because something is right or wrong, and you know what's right and what's wrong, that doesn't stop you from doing the wrong thing even if you are religious.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So you agree morality isn't dependent on spirituality.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            ???

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You think that me being a Christian is a superpower that stops me from doing evil things. It is not. Morality is a religious concept. That doesn't mean that I am a perfectly moral being.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Being religious doesn't stop you from being evil things.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It would be great to rape all your female relatives

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          There is police to protect people from animals like you.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not engaging in any of them because they've been forbidden by Christ. Regardless, is the police not infringing on my right to enjoy rape, murder, robbery, and torture? I guess robbery sort of affects you indirectly through the economy, but personal crimes don't affect you at all.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >murder doesn’t negatively affect the community
            Christian brainpower everyone. Cannot even imagine cascading negative effects of fear and pain

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm not engaging in any of them because they've been forbidden by Christ
            Yes, this is what this thread is about.
            >is the police not infringing on my right to enjoy rape, murder, robbery, and torture?
            You don't have a right to murder, rape and rob, at least not in a country that I know of.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I don't have the right, but why shouldn't I lobby for the right to do so? Laws can't change, can't they? I can frame my desire to rape as men's rights. Injuries sustained from torture can be covered as a racial issue targeting mainly black men from troubled neighborhoods.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Why do you not engage in it if Jesus never even existed? Your morality is completely based on a fictional character

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing wrong with rape or murder in your worldview. For us, it's bad because God told us it's bad. We murder animals all the time. We also murder humans if the situation requires it. So, what's wrong with murdering humans in general?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Killing innocent people is bad. Most people agree this is the case so that’s how it is.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What makes it bad? Lots of people enjoy murder. If I want to torture or murder someone, what's it to you as long as it doesn't affect you?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Then you get killed or thrown in jail. Behave or face the consequences.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What makes it bad? People who enjoy rape and torture can lobby to excuse various forms of rape and torture. Just higher standards of evidence would do. If the laws changed and rape and torture became more commonplace, what's stopping any of us from engaging in rape or torture?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Because we all agree that it’s bad and you’re the odd man out.
            Stories throughout history tell of the one guy who just didn’t care about anyone else except how much pleasure he could derive from harming others. You are to be ganged up on and fricked up.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So it's bad because there's more people with the subjective opinion? So what? How many people need to prefer strawberry ice cream before liking chocolate becomes wrong?

            morality is based on the promotion of overall well-being, and that actions that cause harm are immoral because they prevent individuals or society from achieving well-being. Theories like Utilitarianism, for example, argue that actions should be evaluated based on their ability to produce the greatest overall happiness or well-being.

            >they prevent individuals or society from achieving well-being
            Why is that immoral? How does announcing utilitarianism justify utilitarianism?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Your preference for ice cream doesn’t harm people and society like your sadistic urges do.
            You really are a sociopath. No humanity or soul but zero charm and average to below average intelligence.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            He looks like a guy who is in severe doubt of his religious beliefs and is trying to hang to them as hard as possible, to the point of being almost delirious.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You're talking to two Christians here. Maybe three depending on who wrote the first response. We all agree on this. It's pretty basic.
            How does sadism hurt you? Why should it be forbidden? What if I pay someone to be tortured and there's mutual consent?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Your preference for ice cream doesn’t harm people and society like your sadistic urges do.
            This assumes that harming people is wrong which is the very question that is being asked of you, on what basis do you say that is wrong? I could easily see how it makes sense in the Christian worldview to say it is wrong, but it seems absurd in an atheist worldview
            >You really are a sociopath. No humanity or soul but zero charm and average to below average intelligence.
            I'm just looking for a basis to say such things are wrong. Where is a reasonable man? Where can I find a reasonable man?

            Normal people have pro-social internal moral compasses while you need to believe you’re under threat of eternal torture to behave.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Normal people have pro-social internal moral compasses while you need to believe you’re under threat of eternal torture to behave.

            Get rid of the police for a week and you'll see how nice most human beings truly are, and how probably 75% of humanity only doesn't murder, rape, and pillage because they don't want to go to jail.

            Normal people mostly do need the threat of punishment to behave.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Normal people mostly do need the threat of punishment to behave
            Don’t buy it at all. A large chunk of men under 25 sure but they also keep each other in check along with society and the law

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Your moral compass is determined by your cultural upbringing. We are forbidden from committing adultery as well. But you atheist scum probably don't thing of adultery as a huge offense.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Eh I wouldn’t break up a marriage or mess with the relationship of a friend.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            But you don't consider it something on the level of murder. Not coveting probably isn't high on your list of priorities either. Desire is a drug, but you don't see it as a drug. Not a bad one, at least.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No it’s bad to cheat in a marriage but it’s not murder.

            >sex is consensual while rape is harmful and painful.
            Why does this matter?

            I already answered, you’re a fricking weirdo and I do not like talking to you.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            We're two people. You answered to me, but not to him.
            Cheating isn't the same as murder, but it's still a crime.

            Did Christianity prevent wars, murder and rape from happening?

            Yes, it did. It continues to do so with our current judicial system based on Christian morality.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Normal people have pro-social internal moral compasses
            So what? Why should I care about the dictates of anybody's moral compass? There something objective about these moral beliefs, or is it just the primitive emotionality of highly evolved pond scum?
            >while you need to believe you’re under threat of eternal torture to behave.
            Anon I want you to understand I say this with a lot of respect, I know you believe it is wrong to rape and murder, because you are made in the image of God. What I am pointing out is that we Christians have a basis to say that it's wrong. You don't.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Why should I care about the dictates of anybody's moral compass?
            Because we’ll make you, you sniveling little c**t. Keep your hands to yourself.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Is that it, your only basis is "grug smash"? What's the difference between you inflicting harm on the child killer because it makes you feel good, and him inflicting harm on the child because it makes him feel good? If morality is nothing more than your subjective opinion that you force others to conform to, what is the difference between it and punishing people for preferring a different ice cream flavor? If it's just a matter of opinion, why should the child killer care what your opinion is, when his opinion is that killing children is fun?

            No it’s bad to cheat in a marriage but it’s not murder.

            [...]
            I already answered, you’re a fricking weirdo and I do not like talking to you.

            No Anon I have still yet to hear any reason why it is wrong

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah you don’t have an internal moral compass and you don’t get why you shouldn’t rape people to death, I know.

            People like you are why I’m glad we have law enforcement.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So, you have the right to murder someone based on your definition of morality, but a murderer doesn't have the same right based on his version of morality? How is that fair?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The group decides. You’re evil and defective because you have no internal compass. You are to be watched, locked up and destroyed if necessary. You are a waste of skin and a danger to the group.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            But how am I a danger to the group if I don't harm anyone within the group?

            the "christian" psycho is almost certainly a troll

            You can see similar conversations happening every day. There are also two Christians here.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You’re to be watched.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Isn't it interesting how we have such a demonstration of the irrationality of the atheist worldview right here in this thread? Christians ask a simple question, but because of the intellectual bankruptcy of their worldview the atheists can not answer it

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            We're all watched every day. We're monitored for un-Christian behavior. Christians are the guardians of morality in the US. You already have no issue with killing children. You're already for blurring the lines with rape and torture. Adultery and tyranny is of no issue to you. You try to dunk on Christians for lacking a moral compass, while your own moral compass is completely defective. We have clear boundaries that we follow. Yours shifts every few years.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This conversation is not about what I want to do or what a bad person I am nor have I ever said I have any desire to rape and kill, this is supposed to be a rational conversation about worldviews though we haven't heard very much from you yet. You have an atheistic worldview I have a Christian theistic worldview, I want to know how an atheist can account for the existence of moral absolutes, I haven't heard it yet.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >This conversation is not about what I want to do or
            It’s about how you have no internal compass. You’re proving op 100% right.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm just searching for a reasonable man, do you know where I can find one?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I just wanted to help op illustrate his point by fishing your disgusting views out of your ugly fat body.
            You have no internal compass, I’m glad you’re on a list or two, and I’m going to enjoy my Saturday night now.
            Enjoy being a creepy virgin until you die.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            We accept your concession. Make sure to go to church tomorrow.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah you don’t have an internal moral compass and you don’t get why you shouldn’t rape people to death, I know.

            People like you are why I’m glad we have law enforcement.

            I like how anon #1 is asking an ontological question and anon #2 is salty thinking #1 is professing morality as a social construct. And by being salty attests morality is a social construct. Beautiful.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Your preference for ice cream doesn’t harm people and society like your sadistic urges do.
            This assumes that harming people is wrong which is the very question that is being asked of you, on what basis do you say that is wrong? I could easily see how it makes sense in the Christian worldview to say it is wrong, but it seems absurd in an atheist worldview
            >You really are a sociopath. No humanity or soul but zero charm and average to below average intelligence.
            I'm just looking for a basis to say such things are wrong. Where is a reasonable man? Where can I find a reasonable man?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >So it's bad because there's more people with the subjective opinion?
            it's called 'bad' because there's more people with the opinion (all opinion is by definition subjective).
            >So what?
            you can't take them on all. they'll frick you up.
            >How many people need to prefer strawberry ice cream before liking chocolate becomes wrong?
            nobody cares about this, so there's no but a hypothetical religion that frowns upon chocolate ice cream could very well shape up to list it as being just as wrong as blasphemy, and if you were born in that religion, you'd keep asking unbelievers how do they know eating chocolate ice cream is wrong if they don't believe the revealed divine truth.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >it's called 'bad' because there's more people with the opinion
            So it is not actually bad to kill children?
            >you can't take them on all. they'll frick you up
            You say so but maybe I think I can, or maybe I don't care, or maybe I want them to
            >nobody cares about this
            Irrelevant, would there be any difference between them caring about it and them caring about the murder of children? Is there any actual significance to children being murdered that is lacked by people liking the "wrong" ice cream flavor?
            >so there's no but a hypothetical religion
            Also irrelevant, once again the debate is between atheism and Christian theism, any third position is not relevant to this discussion
            >if you were born in that religion
            Perhaps if I were from an Islamic country like Pakistan I would have different moral beliefs, that's fair, how do you justify either one of them would be my question
            >you'd keep asking unbelievers how do they know eating chocolate ice cream is wrong
            So there is no greater significance to child murder than eating ice cream

            not true. you will keep harping about this no matter what I do. but I gave you my answer above [...]. what you want is that atheists name an authority who decides what is right and wrong. that's not how it works.

            Oh no that's not giving me a basis for morals, that's telling me morality isn't real, which is philosophically unacceptable. If morals aren't objective if it's just subjective opinion, then I trust you to have no complaints if I were to brutally murder you since I would not be doing anything wrong. The torture of little children is not wrong in your worldview, it might be very painful, we might dislike it, but it's not wrong, it doesn't violate any oughts, the child killer did not do anything he ought not have and our punishment of him is not different from his violence against the child, it's just violence for pleasure.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You can't gang up on minorities anymore. Why should everyone subscribe to your definition of a good society? Maybe permitting some violence is good. Hitting people till their teeth fall out can be a sport of sorts, can't it?

            Well I’m not a chickenist and don’t follow their rules.

            Post more about how much you want to murder random people btw

            I follow Christ and I'm forbidden from murder. It's the 6th commandment, bro.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            If you ever wondered why Christian kindness often is creepy and insincere, it’s because they’re actually like this inside.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >There's nothing wrong with rape or murder in your worldview.
      you are too stupid to imagine our worldview, and can't help but make up shit about it. stop this.
      >For us, it's bad because God told us it's bad.
      god never told you rape is bad. he told you to forcibly marry the victim to the rapist.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm still waiting to hear why murder and rape is wrong in the atheist worldview

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, because you actively resist hearing it. this can go on for a long time.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What's the reason then? Keep in mind appeals to consequentialism fall on deaf ears since we have to be able to determine if those consequences are good or not

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          the reason is game theory. nobody wants to be killed, so we form an alliance whereby we agree to frick up whoever kills any one of us. this is called 'wrong'; 'wrong' is just a name we attach to this state of affairs, not an a priory category. we have evolved to behave according to such agreements, we have an internalization mechanism that takes care of the details. pretending some of these rules were given by the magician in the sky does not make them more than aforesaid social agreements. and some of them are already innate, because game theory is the same throughout the times. societies having to discover why unfair exchanges break down cooperation will fail in the wars against those that don't, as a result we - indeed at least all apes - are already born with a sense of equitable exchange. I could go on, but there's no point, since you will keep parroting how nobody told you whence those evil atheists get their morals.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            In other words you are appealing to the consequences. Like I said, the Christian wants something deeper than consequentialism.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Like I said, the Christian wants something deeper than consequentialism.
            then the christian is stupid. not much of a surprise.
            as I said, you have decided right and wrong has to come from some authority. they don't. not even from christians.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You're showing that you don't have a problem with a subjective and arbitrary moral system, not that there doesn't need to be an authority for that moral system. The Christian wants to know what makes positive consequences good. Excercise has positive consequences for my body, does that make it moral? No. Why is it good for life to exist?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >You're showing that you don't have a problem with a subjective and arbitrary moral system
            Yes anon you’ve made it quite clear that you need a literal list of rules to behave because you’re too autistic to behave like a normal person. No one cares.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You don't seem to understand the point being made and at this point I'm becoming convinced it's because you lack the mental capacity to do so.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The other day someone said TAG is an IQ test, and I'm really starting to appreciate that.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Once again, too stupid to see the point being made or too stupid to care

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        There's nothing to resist hearing. You can prove me wrong real easy by giving me the answer

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          not true. you will keep harping about this no matter what I do. but I gave you my answer above

          the reason is game theory. nobody wants to be killed, so we form an alliance whereby we agree to frick up whoever kills any one of us. this is called 'wrong'; 'wrong' is just a name we attach to this state of affairs, not an a priory category. we have evolved to behave according to such agreements, we have an internalization mechanism that takes care of the details. pretending some of these rules were given by the magician in the sky does not make them more than aforesaid social agreements. and some of them are already innate, because game theory is the same throughout the times. societies having to discover why unfair exchanges break down cooperation will fail in the wars against those that don't, as a result we - indeed at least all apes - are already born with a sense of equitable exchange. I could go on, but there's no point, since you will keep parroting how nobody told you whence those evil atheists get their morals.

          . what you want is that atheists name an authority who decides what is right and wrong. that's not how it works.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >atheist makes a thread about the Christians here being closeted sociopaths barely holding on
    >they proceed to prove him right
    Can’t even help themselves lmao. It’s a good thing law enforcement monitors this site

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Could you please explain why it's wrong to rape and kill? I'm like Diogenes here, but I'm searching for a reasonable man

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Good luck with that

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    morality is based on the promotion of overall well-being, and that actions that cause harm are immoral because they prevent individuals or society from achieving well-being. Theories like Utilitarianism, for example, argue that actions should be evaluated based on their ability to produce the greatest overall happiness or well-being.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why do Christians think it's a good argument to act like psychopathic behavior is completely justifiable without God? Even primitive hunter-gatherer tribes wouldn't allow someone to freely murder and rape with no consequences. It would quickly destroy the community. We wouldn't be able to create advanced civilizations without morals.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Oyish has always had edgelords but now they’ve taken on a cheesy Christian aesthetic, it’s just the new iteration of the fedora and katana thing.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Because it doesn't affect you. The world is overpopulated. We could have a portion of the society exclusively to be used for rape and murder and it wouldn't affect anyone.

      If you ever wondered why Christian kindness often is creepy and insincere, it’s because they’re actually like this inside.

      What's insincere about this? I sincerely am not going to murder anyone. God has specifically forbidden this in the clearest terms.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You don’t have an internal sense that murder rape and torture is wrong, which is why you come off as offputting and disturbing,

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Practically speaking, how is murder different from war and how is rape different from sex? Most murderers and rapists don't see any difference.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Wars are fought with justification to save the group (sometimes it’s a lie but the people often believe it) and sex is consensual while rape is harmful and painful.
            You really creep me the frick out.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >sex is consensual while rape is harmful and painful.
            Why does this matter?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Because Spider-Man crawled up my ass and said that rape is le bad. Spidey won't lie

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            In war, there are plenty of actions taken by soldiers which are practically no different from murder. Sex can be "harmful and painful" as well. Consensual BDSM can do more physical harm than rape where the victim submits (which are most cases).

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The mind of a Christian everybody

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So, are you saying if I pay someone to beat them up or torture them, that's perfectly fine? I just need their consent, right?

            It would affect me. How can you seriously not comprehend allowing murder and rape would affect all of society?

            Not allowing it in general. How about allowing it in specific cases? How about shifting the boundaries so certain forms of rape, murder, and torture are allowed?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            If you’re into s&m with a consenting partner go for it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            How is that practically different from torture? Can I skin someone alive if I pay them for the privilege?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >boundaries so certain forms of rape, murder, and torture are allowed?
            They already are.

            Also, torture and murder were church-sanctioned practices in medieval times too. Inquisition and stuff, you know.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            @FBI

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            FBI is a Christian force who operate according to Christian morality. If they were atheists, you'd have the NKVD or the Stasi. You should thank God that you live in a Christian country.

            >boundaries so certain forms of rape, murder, and torture are allowed?
            They already are.

            Also, torture and murder were church-sanctioned practices in medieval times too. Inquisition and stuff, you know.

            The Inquisition didn't involve torture or murder. Most of it was standard trials.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >The Inquisition didn't involve torture or murder.
            Oh, it's just a bait

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Read a book instead of going by memes. At least read Wikipedia before commenting.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So no tortures happened during the inquisition? Was it all a israeli slander?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            More of an atheist slander. But sure, some of those atheists were israelites.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Did Christianity prevent wars, murder and rape from happening?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It was used to justify so much war murder and rape that it would be surprising if it prevented more than it caused

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It would affect me. How can you seriously not comprehend allowing murder and rape would affect all of society?

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Is religion seriously the only thing that is holding christians on this board from killing and raping people?
    No. The only thing holding them back is their inferior genes. They won't do shit because they CAN'T do shit.
    They vent all that bottled up anger on anonymous forums such as this because they are too afraid to express their views in real life knowing full well that if a real man shouted at them they'd probably piss their pants.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Religion is the one thing that stops people from turning into Hyenas and killing each other

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the "christian" psycho is almost certainly a troll

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What the frick is this thread
    What the frick is wrong with christcucks

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Atheism is getting ripped to shreds again.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        By you acting like an utterly deranged psycho?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'm just searching for a reasonable man. Are you him, can you answer my questions?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, yes of course

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Ok, so why is it wrong to rape and kill?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Spider-Man said that in one of the comics

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Spider-Man is israeli so he sort of shares our morality. You're just proving our point.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So you are renouncing atheism and becoming a spidermanist? You haven't solved the problem Anon

            Yes I trust in the teachings of Spider-Man, His word is my law, his kindness guides me through life and Spider-Eternity.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Then it looks like we win the debate, we've reached agreement that the atheist worldview is incorrect

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You have to stick to pre-2000s Spider-Man. The new Spider-Man is probably woke and degen.

            Did you accept Spider-Man as your saviour too?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Depends on the period. Spider-Man probably had lots of Christian influence in the past. However, this is slowly changing, so I'll stick with Christ.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You have to stick to pre-2000s Spider-Man. The new Spider-Man is probably woke and degen.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So you are renouncing atheism and becoming a spidermanist? You haven't solved the problem Anon

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Would you want to be raped or killed?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Is this relevant to my question?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, most people have basic empathy

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Yes
            How is it relevant to my question?
            >most people have basic empathy
            I did not ask you if most people have basic empathy I asked you on what basis you say it is wrong to rape and kill

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You wouldn't want to be raped or killed. You should be able to use basic empathy to deduce if you don't want to be raped or killed then it would be bad for you to rape and kill others. You are acting like a turbo autist psycho that can't comprehend why morals are necessary for society.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Basic empathy can also be misleading. Justice sometimes requires harshness.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    All morality is by nature religious
    Even if it is not Christian morality

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >ignore the existence of laws
    >ignore the fact that morals are integral to humans, are beneficial for society and that morality predates religion
    >ignore the fact that christianity caused plenty of wars, torture and murder despite its "objective morality"
    >atheists btfo!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Morality does not predate religion because God is the source of morality. If there's no moral absolutes there's no reason to care about any laws
      >christianity caused plenty of wars, torture and murder
      The topic is the intellectual merits of the atheist or Christian theist worldviews, not what behaviors professors of those worldviews have engaged in in the past.

      You wouldn't want to be raped or killed. You should be able to use basic empathy to deduce if you don't want to be raped or killed then it would be bad for you to rape and kill others. You are acting like a turbo autist psycho that can't comprehend why morals are necessary for society.

      What if I want to rape and kill others? Why should my desire for that not to happen to me have anything to do with my desire to do that to others? What if I'm so arrogant that I think I can take the whole world in a fight? What if I'm a masochist and I do want horrible things to happen to me? And how is punishment attached to a behavior a basis for saying that such behavior is wrong? If morality is necessary for society to survive, so what? Why is it better for society to live rather than die?

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Is religion seriously the only thing that is holding christians on this board from killing and raping people?
    I was an atheist for many years and did not do either of those things. I will say that I am certainly a better person now than I was, but as an atheist I had no real reason to stop sinning. Sure, it wasn't murder or rape, but it was still self destructive behavior.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >is religion seriously the only thing that is holding Christians on this board from killing and raping people?

    No. Our conscience and the moral precepts afforded by nature likewise act to restrain those impulses, alongside the existence of law enforcement, various modes of surveillance, and the implicit sanctions that are enforced against maladaptive or antisocial individuals in society (i.e. lunch table, ostracism, blacklisting, etc.) For the Christian, however, it is the additional element of our Savior having commanded us to observe all that He has said, and our desire to serve and worship Him in holiness and thanksgiving, that impels a stricter conformity to the law (whether Biblical or manmade). Of course, some antinomians denominations may argue against the binding validity of the law as a rule for life, but that goes against the very words of Christ and of His apostles.

    It seems to me that it is in fact unbelievers who have less of an incentive to be law abiding citizens, seeing as they deny the universality of moral obligations and the inevitable visitation of justice even to those malefactors who operate covertly. It follows that apart from a mature notion of maintaining social harmony and cohesion, a belief scarcely present in the youth of today, or a arbitrary commitment to particular ethical precepts, the unbeliever would only obey rules and statutes only insofar as he perceives a greater likelihood of getting caught by human authorities in violating them. Likewise, he perceives a net benefit accruing to himself in conforming his behavior to the expected norms of society. Classical carrot and stick behavior.

    So, then, the Christian has far more reason to act rightly than the heathen. Your thoughts, OP?

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >it's bad because it j-just... just... IS OK? STOP ASKING QUESTIONS

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >christian recent converts admit they would rape and murder
    Lmao

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody said they wanted to rape and murder, that was just a desperate cope the atheists were using as an excuse for not having an answer

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's not that they would, there's just no reason not to if you wanted to and there's no god, afterlife etc. It's easy enough to come up with practical reasons why individual people shouldn't do that (societal breakdown), but when you get to more impersonal stuff e.g. wars waged by your country that affects someone else you have no relation to in some other part of the world -- I think the humanist position expressed ITT starts to fall apart. If it benefits people in your country i.e. the group then why not do it? Also defining all of humanity as "the group" is silly and a kind of religion in itself.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a member of society. If I do some crazy shit I'm going to prison, in an hypothetical lawless world his relatives would try to kill me or my family. My point is you can't do crazy shit for free no matter what, most people don't want to deal with its consequences, I think the point theist try to do is that laws come from God or something like this

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No. They still commit acts of violence and sexual acts. They just use religion to cover them up as innocents figures with a huge community to protect them. The majority of the priests and members of Christianity are well known to be abusers, pedos and predators.

    Do you really think that they're a peaceful religion after their violent history of forcing people to convert to their religion?

    Its also pretty ironic that majority of the Christianity and their sub brances, are against to the fundamentals of God and Jesus's teachings, despite prattling on and on about their words. They could not learn how to love or respect anyone, because it also goes against to their belief in exerting power and control with the religion.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The Christian seeks an answer to why immoral actions are bad, this he finds in Gods infallibility. The athiest, because he is almost incapable of actual thought, accepts that the things which are immoral are immoral without asking "why is this immoral?" If the athiest were to consider the question, they would find either God or a non-metaphysical answer to a meta-physical question.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Anon
    That argument is correct
    Westerners kill millions of their own children every year through abortion, not enemies, their own children.
    Christians are the largest group among westerners who largely does not do that.

    Religion is clearly good for knowing that you shouldn't kill someone, even if his/her death would solve a problem for you.

    Religion is also good for other things, such as knowing than men can't get pregnant.

    If atheists are for real rational believers of evolution, then they should find the evolutionary advantage of religion.
    They live in post modern atheistic societies with collapsing birth rates and massive immigration, while they wonder what religion is good for.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      "Christianity might be a bulwark against something much worse"
      - Richard Dawkins

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Fetus is not a child

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why do you make arbitrary distinctions of the different stages of human development?

        A 1 month old baby can't talk, can't really think since he lacks language, can't feed itself, totally depends on others. It's not that different from his fetus state.

        It takes a great deal of delusion to pretend that aborting isn't killing your own offspring.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I mean, czechia and japan are very irrelogious and they have very low crime rates, irreligious countries are ironically the least violent lol

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The point is that humanistic ideology can be deconstructed into arbitrary nothingness and will fall apart without material reasons to be lawful, such as fear of eternal punishment in Hell. There will never be a better answer for "why is X bad," than "God said so."

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like that’s bullshit because religiosity actually seems to positively correlate with violent crime rate. The most secular places on earth are generally the places where you’re least likely to be attacked.

      I think there is a high rate of ASD and anti-social disorders on this board which prevents many of you from understanding how people behave and why they do what they do.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That's because criminals live down to earth and when you live in the real world you aren't in a position to pretend like God isn't real, atheism, troonyism etc. are delusions that can only exist without adversity

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Its very obvious that people behave and act in order to fit in the group. Deviation is what gets you labeled as weird, antisocial, degen, mentally ill, etc. Also irrelevant to what I said, as is your first point.
        Violent crime is caused by many factors, including poverty, culture, shitty upbringing, and mental illness. Religion has nothing to do with violent crime, unless we're talking about sectarian violence. You can find incredibly religious communities that don't have crime either. They aren't connected.

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe you're the problem, not Christianity?

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    why are 50% of all posts on this "history" board just atheists attacking Christianity?
    Is this a Sunday tradition or is the board being raided?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Oyish used to be full of history threads
      >Christians start spamming tons of threads every day
      >Christian threads outnumber history threads
      >atheists that browse Oyish get tired of Christians ruining the board
      >atheists start arguing with Christians
      >Christians make more threads arguing with atheists
      >atheists make more threads arguing with Christians
      >Oyish turns into a religious arguments board because mods refuse to make /rel/

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